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9:04 PM
@voretaq7 At least it's not written in Java.
 
9:15 PM
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Q: Samba sharing an NFS mount point

Peter NUnnI'm sorry if this is a repeat post, seems my first attempt failed... A little context first. Firstly, I have inherited one of the classic networks from hell. Amongst a number of other things, I discovered that the majority of the clients data, including a heap of compliance data, is currently ...

I may have to do this today.
 
@84104 Java code is O(FUCK_NO*N^N)
@ScottPack I gave your funky tap+bonding question some thought and a quick re-reading of the bonding docs -- there's a couple of modes which I think will break, but the rest should be fine)
 
@MikeyB Depends on how cheap the polycoms are, the 331s are utter crap.
 
Actually it's...
Failed to handle packet: java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at ep.a(SourceFile:1048)
at ew.b(SourceFile:42)
at jh.a(SourceFile:89)
at hc.a(SourceFile:126)
at bi.a(SourceFile:223)
at jh.a(SourceFile:34)
at dr.a(SourceFile:85)
 
@84104 oh yeah java code that crashes is O(JRE)
(JRE is an nondeterministic constant for "However long it takes the damn JRE to load up so my code can crash")
 
9:31 PM
@MikeyB Yeah, probably not cheap enough for us though. I've yet to find a 4-line phone in the Polycom line anywhere near the price point that would turn management's head.
@JoelESalas I have several boxes set up like that.
 
@Adrian Needs to be a 4-line? The 501s are three line and a nice price point.
 
@Adrian Polycom phones are really only for conference rooms IMHO
Cisco got it right for everything else as far as I care.
 
@voretaq7 Except you can't manage the freakin' things.
 
@MikeyB Yes, according to the bosses. I disagree, but I don't get to make those decisions.
 
@MikeyB sure you can -- they can TFTP or HTTP their configurations
 
9:36 PM
@voretaq7 Yeah, that's what we use. We use the analog line models though instead of the PBX units.
 
I need this.
 
Grandstreams (what we have) fucking suck for management.
 
@voretaq7 if only Cisco documented it.
 
@MichaelHampton an HP4?
 
9:37 PM
Mmm. I loved the HP 4Vs. Those were awesome.
 
@MichaelHampton Do you really want to be fishing coins out of the paper tray of a Laserjet 4M?
 
@MichaelHampton I have a BB app that sends those messages :)
 
@MarkHenderson Maybe if they're 2€ coins...
 
@MikeyB minded.ca/default/2009-12-16/… <- Not Cisco, but decent start.
is Polycom that much better?
 
@MichaelHampton According to that article, it doesn't matter cos nobody reads it anyway. Not even when it has a weather report
 
9:40 PM
@MarkHenderson Hm, weather. Now that would be fun.
 
@MichaelHampton Nothx.
 
I'm just saying you could have a lot of fun with it.
 
@voretaq7 Yes, Polycom provides great documentation. They even provide documentation on recommended methods to manage phone configs. You have the phone use the model /firmware defaults, overrided by site settings, overrided by phone settings.
Ever try asking Cisco how to configure their phone for third-party SIP? "We don't support that." Or even tell you how to do it.
 
I wouldn't bother with the Cisco phones. You know THIS is what's going to happen to them:
 
9:49 PM
also
@MichaelHampton cr33py
 
@voretaq7 I see you're trying to take over the star wall in TL
 
@voretaq7 No, THIS is creepy:
 
@MichaelHampton How many ant hives could be sustained for years on that?
 
@Iain not really trying, it just sortta happens...
 
@MichaelHampton Dang. Now I feel much better about the state of my desk.
 
9:52 PM
Yeah, so do I.
Got a few more I'm saving for later.
 
@MichaelHampton The depressing thing is that someone made them that meal. Someone made them that meal, and saw what was going on in that room
 
@MarkHenderson It's clearly takeout. The soy sauce packet on top of the PS2 game gives it away.
 
@MichaelHampton Hey! Who let you into my office?
 
I rest my case.
 
@MarkHenderson Thanks so much for the PS link... now I just gotta see if I can punch up a script in less time than it would take me to make the helpdesk guys nearby do manually.
 
10:04 PM
@MichaelHampton Don't judge me.
 
4 guys x 28800 seconds in a workday... divide by 5 for one deletion every 5 seconds... only ~23,000 a day. 6.9 days to do it manually. Damn. Gonna have to script this.

Or reserve manual deletions for punishment... "Go do a thousand certificate deletions for escalating that ticket to me without making sure the user had network connectivity!"
 
@HopelessN00b No worries. The syntax looks pretty simple so hopefully it won't be too bad. You can probably do a Get-Certificat and pipe it into Remove-Request (probably)
 
@WesleyDavid I'm just saying... you need a bigger trash can there.
 
Yeah, should be easy enough. Unless anyone asks. In that case, I'm far too busy working on an incredibly difficult and complicated scripting problem to help them, of course.
 
10:12 PM
omg
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Q: Windows: making a system backup with vshadow+robocopy tools

Gregory MOUSSATSince years I use vshadow + robocopy to backup data partitions to a remote disk (connected thru iSCSI). This is really a very efficient method. This allow me to have a "perfect" copy. Open files are copied without any problem, as well as ACL and everything. In case of major disk fault, I just ...

This guy is so keen on doing his backup via some crazy hoodoo script he set a bounty
A big bounty
 
Yeah, and even worse, he's been doing it forever (it seems) without using the backup flag. :/
 
@HopelessN00b Oooohhhhhhh
 
Did make me think, though... about exactly why you can't do a proper backup of a Windows system Drive with a script + VSS or the like. Damn bastard, making me think. >:/
 
@HopelessN00b I've always just assumed "magic"
Ever since I discovered many many years ago that copying the files on a boot floppy is not enough to make it bootable
You need to format it with format /q /s a:
 
Yeah, black magic/Windows code, same difference, right?
And is it just me, or has this guy been a lot more active the past few days than normal?

http://serverfault.com/users/-1/community
 
10:19 PM
@HopelessN00b That, or some hoodoo about boot sectors
@HopelessN00b That guy's a dick
Always bumping questions
 
Yeah, and you end up with some no-low rep user making an answer to a 3 year old question where the asker doesn't even have a profile on here. :/
 
@MichaelHampton Reminds me of a sign I saw on the door of the sysamin office at Fog Creek "Do not interrupt unless something is on fire"
 
*sigh*

All the more reason to work there as an SA.
 
@HopelessN00b Next time, try your luck. I think they pay a fair amount of attention to your SF profile
 
10:30 PM
@HopelessN00b Reconsidering your choice of name yet?
 
@MichaelHampton NEV0R!!!

I like the self-deprecating, tongue-in-cheek, glib, not-taking-myself-too-seriously-thing.
I dunno how people who take themselves seriously hack it as SAs... then again, I know a few of those people who've had heart attacks in their early 30's, so maybe they die. Seems like not the way I want to approach my work life.
@MarkHenderson What do they run out there?
 
@HopelessN00b Vast majority windows, with some BSD routers and firewalls
It sounds like at one stage they had some less-than-stellar sysadmins, and after they got rid of them people are still tidying up the mess that was made
I got the impression that a lot of their work is also related to maintaining a poor design decision very early on in their FogBugz product
(which is understandable, nobody ever gets it right the first time around)
For example, the work i did for them was to design a self service portal that could run scripts against databses by pulling meta-data from other databases
 
10:47 PM
I tried to use the Twitter
"Looking for a web developer. Medium project. Needs CMS experience and to leave a maintainable site. #fb #developer #webdesign #programmer"
 
@ewwhite You need followers for that to work.
 
@ewwhite We need an iOS developer. My boss keeps investigating offshoring it to India. I die a little inside each time I hear him research it.
So, if anyone knows any iOS freelancers in Australia I'm all ears
 
@MarkHenderson I luckily know several good iOS devs.
 
@MarkHenderson Well, that makes me feel less intimidated. My bet would be they did what all dev shops try at first - "enh, let the coders do the SA work, it won't make that big a difference!" :)
 
@ewwhite Well when I've convinced him going offshore to india is a bad idea, I might drop you a line. Any idea what their rates are?
 
10:50 PM
@MichaelHampton D'oh! I have a few followers... They're all creepy... Like #Nexenta :)
 
@HopelessN00b In fact it was Joel Spolsky himself who set up their first network. I think it went something along the lines of Joel > Good sysadmin > Bad Sysadmin > Great Sysadmins
 
@ewwhite Yeah, no way to avoid that.
 
@MarkHenderson Well, I don't know what type of work they are doing now. One started MapMyRun.com - The other wrote Ow My Balls!
 
@MarkHenderson Interesting. Kinda gives me a new respect for Joel, knowing he actually got his hands dirty in SA work once upon a time.
 
@MichaelHampton is that a normal thing? Twitter-spam-followers?
 
10:53 PM
@ewwhite Well, you can block any users you don't want following you.
 
@ewwhite I think it's pretty normal. I didn't know anyone used it for anything else.
 
apple really needs to fix imessages. talking to my father on my imac via txt - the macbook pro gets notified, my iphone gets notified. my ipads get notified. someone had an article on this. send the conversation to the other devices but only notify the device where the msg originates from
 
@Satheesh - I have closed and/or merged your three recent questions as they are barely coherent, asking the same thing, and this one represents the best of a bad lot. Please take a moment to think through your problem, then edit this question to clearly explain what you are trying to accomplish, what steps you have taken to make that happen, what your expected results are, and what is actually happening in your environment. Configuration and log file excerpts are especially helpful. Flailing about repeatedly posting half-formed thoughts does not help us help you. Thanks. — voretaq7 2 mins ago
^ Too harsh?
 
I think that's just fine. Too harsh would be flaying them alive.
 
Damn close to it. 4 copies of the same horrible question with different words.
On that note I'm going home before I spear someone in the eye. :-P
 
11:03 PM
@voretaq7 No, harsh would have been what I didn't put in my comment before flagging them and making it someone else's problem. :)
 
This makes my head hurt.
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Q: Routing over a VMware centos server running Cisco VPN

magd1I need help routing over a virtual server to a IPSec tunnel. I have: Mac OS laptop (10.20.4.0/24) VMware Fusion Centos running on VMware (192.168.141.0/24) that has a Cisco IPSec tunnel (10.255.254.0/24) Remote servers on the other side of the tunnel. (10.0.11.0/24) The Cisco IPSec Tunnel ...

 
11:26 PM
@HopelessN00b Well you gotta remember once upon a time, Joel didn't know if FC was going to be successful or a flop, and for a long time it was just two or three people there, keeping costs down like most small businesses
@voretaq7 Not too harsh at all. In fact I think thats an excellent response. You should be a politician
 
Any one proficient with MSSQL kicking around?
 
@HopelessN00b How proficient?
 
called a friend, didnt answer, sends me a text "at my parents house", in which i responded, "are they in a faraday cage?" he didnt get it...
 
As proficient as I can get, I guess. :)

Other than database size, is there anything you can think of that would prohibit "restoring" a database from a paid version of MSSQL 2008 R2 to the Express version?
(Database-wise, not... disk space or drunken asshatery, etc.)
 
@HopelessN00b Oh this fight. I just saw that question with you both on -1 ;)
@lsiunsuex Ugh that's terrible
(that was a pun, right? "He didn't get it")
 
11:33 PM
@HopelessN00b licensing? features? maybe they don't allow it
 
@HopelessN00b AFAIK there are no database-level features that are disabled in express. Hell express even has replication
It doesn't have mirroring, availability groups, reporting, resource scheduling, blah blah blah
But as far as an actual database is concerned, I know of nothing that is disabled in express
 
is exporting the actual structure / data and importing that an option ? (instead of doing a restore)
@MarkHenderson both, but yours was funnier once i realized the pun
 
@MarkHenderson Thanks. That's what I thought... and actually, given that I've done it in production a few times at my current place, I had a pretty big "oh shit!" moment and sinking feeling in my stomach.
We really need a proper DBA. :(
 
@HopelessN00b We do that too. We provide a backup of a 40Mb database that seeds our systems. We've had people restore from express to enterprise clusters without issue
 
Now if I only I could figure out how to get a cut of the cost savings... :D
 
11:45 PM
@HopelessN00b somehow I think there might be a bit of a conflict of interest in there somewhere... Assuming this is were you work, and normally your responsibility shouldn't you always be trying to find the most cost effective solution?
 
You know, they said they same thing when I offered to hail away their old server gear too. No fun at all. :(
 
@HopelessN00b you wanna take some server equipment?
 
@ewwhite Depends if it's useful or not. We have some HP somethingorother G2s that I only want to take so I can go Office Space on 'em.
The old SAN, on the other hand... drool
 
Damn, close but no joy. Why don't you eBay it?

(A general query as well, I don't understand why we don't do that, to offset some of the cost of new gear, or supplement IT salaries, or create a beer fund, etc.)
 
11:57 PM
@HopelessN00b It's not worth anything.
I just need to dispose of it. It's being decommissioned Saturday.
 
Ah.

Yeah, G4's one G too old for me to use too.
 

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