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12:00 AM
@HopelessN00b Could be a good space heater?
 
@HopelessN00b Why do you say that?
 
Wasn't someone getting rid of an old Sun Thumper that they couldn't afford the power bills on any more/ That could also be a good heater.
 
a G4 500-series is the same generation/processor stepping as a G5 300-series.
Kinda... Intel 7140M
 
@ewwhite iLO version. If It could run iLO3, I wouldn't mind having it replace a G2 out at a plant Cali.
 
It's ILO2.
ILO3 isn't available with anything except select G6's and all G7s.
 
12:03 AM
Really?
 
ILO2 was around from 2006-2010.
 
Damn. 2G's too old, then. :)
 
Why does the ILO version matter?
 
v2 is murdering our tiny pipes at the smaller remote sites. We can basically be connected over iLO, or anyone on site can use the internet. iLO3 seems to do much better compression and doesn't choke out the link (or so I'm told).
Back to that whole "buy business class cable or DSL, FFS" thing I was venting about a while back.
Although... how much would shipping be on something like that? It is newer that some of our stuff.
Oh, nevermind... probably as much as it would cost to get one off eBay. All the red-tape around replacing our ancient boxes is really starting to wear on me.
 
@voretaq7 Awesome, thanks. That's actually the kind of answer I was hoping for. Also matches pretty well with what I thought reading the docs. I didn't expect my use case to be common, but I was hoping it might have been footnoted somewhere.
 
12:12 AM
@HopelessN00b It depends. Come pick it up.
 
Love to. Know any upcoming weekends when the Navy recruits are on liberty? :D

Now I just need to get out there. But I think it might be considered unethical in some circles to destroy a piece of IT equipment just to get a flight out there on the company dime. :)
 
@HopelessN00b to where?
 
Chicago, I assume. That's where your profile has you at.
 
Oh, yeah
 
12:41 AM
I DIDNT BREAK IT HONEST
 
@PeterGrace According to the latest SF blog post you boys have been busy
 
yeah, our new sql2012 cluster just shit the bed apparently, still in the fog of war but we're on it
 
@PeterGrace Everything seems to still be working?
 
Even when stuff is "down", it's not totally down. The sites may be in read-only mode
 
@PeterGrace So, the datacenter is on fire, the sites are down, people are yelling... sounds like a good time to knock off home for a long weekend ;)
 
12:51 AM
hahaha
I'm on vacation next week
 
Stuff still looks fine on the sites
 
Yeah, everything should be back now
 
1:10 AM
Well then, you clearly didn't blow it up well enough. Try harder!
 
pour some sugar on it
 
 
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2:17 AM
I want the TLD .gz
joel.tar.gz
 
That's just crazy
 
@JoelESalas Put in an application for a new TLD, prove you have the funds to run a registrar for it and have a spare 100k to pay for the TLD itself
 
@joel did you look into your VM performance issues?
 
@ewwhite Oh god you're going to buy it, aren't you
@ewwhite I don't have any conclusive numbers yet. What do you use to collect system stats?
 
2:23 AM
@JoelESalas any combination of things... what do you want to see?
 
@ewwhite The commander wants to see system stats like RAM/CPU as well as service-level stats like MySQL questions and apache requests
and link this to a specific torture-test run
along with PHP application trace files.
 
Hmm, maybe Munin, collectd, collectl
I'm not the best with monitoring frameworks...
 
@PeterGrace I am of course expecting the cruel hand of fate to turn on my environment next. I believe I will run an unscheduled restore test to the virtual environment tomorrow to verify positive backups.
It's not paranoia if the hardware really is out to get me!
 
Why didn't anyone tell me about this website
 
posted on August 16, 2012 by SysAdmin1138

Charles Stross, SF author, posted a talk he gave at TNG's Big Tech Day in June of this year. In the talk he postulated what one aspect of computing would look like that far in the future with Moore's and...

 
2:33 AM
@JoelESalas Probably the same reason nobody told you about This book
 
@JoelESalas Its funny cos its true sigh
 
@MarkHenderson It's funny 'cuz RMS eats his own feet!
 
Cacti is one of those tools where its shittiness and wideness of adoption leaves you completely paralyzed with delightful confusion
 
I never work with it
 
@JoelESalas I refuse to use it. I'd rather deal with mrtg
 
2:38 AM
@voretaq7 I need the Percona Plugins :(
 
@JoelESalas speaks snmp?
 
when cacti first appeared it was kind of magical to have an mrtg interface out of the box
 
@voretaq7 The percona plugins are just PHP scripts that pull extremely useful MySQL stats
 
intermapper, custom probe, done. No cacti, no picking crappily designed spines out of your ass :P
 
@voretaq7 Must be free of charge
also time is worthless
 
2:42 AM
@JoelESalas in that case, rrdtool and perl. Get crackin' - I promise it hurts less than cacti.
 
3:02 AM
posted on August 17, 2012 by SysAdmin1138

Objective:You have been hired by a company after a developer was fired for cause. Another developer looked at his stuff and found it seriously lacking. He failed to live up to his obligations and was let go. However, the project...

 
@MichaelHampton That might be the best thing that ever came of IPv4 exhaustion.
 
heh
if only I could get the rest of my company to get on board with ipv6
You'd think, stack exchange, should totally be proactive about this
 
It's really not hard. At all.
 
"meh, we'll wait till we have to" O_o
 
3:07 AM
@PeterGrace I'm hoping you upgrade to Server 2012 and support SNI so we can all get SSL
 
@MarkHenderson Seriously.
 
@MarkHenderson haproxy.
haproxy is due to support ssl soon
 
And yes, I would expect you have to be on board with Ipv6
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Q: Does Server Fault plan to support IPv6?

David NorthIPv6 is an up-and-coming topic on Server Fault, especially since IPv4 address space exhaustion finally occurred for some parts of the world. Yet I can't help noticing that serverfault.com has no AAAA record. Are there any plans to support IPv6? If not yet on a permanent basis, then perhaps for W...

@PeterGrace Ah yes, I forgot about that link in the chain
 
We're getting closer to a place where I can just "sneak in" ipv6
but we're not there yet ;)
it's stupid easy with our network because haproxy can protocol convert ipv6 to ipv4
so, ipv6 on the outside haproxy instance
 
@PeterGrace You will forever get our respect if you spell dead:beef in your IP address somewhere
 
3:08 AM
and ipv4 inside
and call it a day
dead:babe:cafe:0f:beef
trust me, I've been around the ipv6 block a few times. I've got the HE.net Sage T-Shirt to prove it.
 
@PeterGrace Dead babe? Maybe not :P Gender sensitivity ftw!
 
hehe, I have native ipv6 at home (thanks comcast)
 
@PeterGrace We had native IPv6 until it got pulled; although admittedly its an opt-in beta with no support
 
Temporary IPv6 Address. . . . . . : 2601:b:8300:24:14d6:87e0:c28:a27b
 
Oh hell, my sixxs account only dates back to 2006.
 
3:10 AM
So i guess you ge twhat you pay for
 
go ahead, hack my gibson.
 
haha, fuck sixxs and Jeroen
that dude is a walking douchecanoe
I gave up on sixxs, probably around 2006, and swapped over to tunnelbroker.net
until I got a vps with native, in which case I backhauled it to my house via ipsec-encapped proto41
now, I just have native, so whatever.
 
Still waiting on my native from Comcrap.
 
Do you have a cablemodem with built in router?
or router with built in cablemodem, rather.
Only a very few routers support it
 
3:12 AM
@MarkHenderson SSWhat? With a who?
 
Nope, just a new surfboard POS, supposedly supports DOCSIS 3. THey just haven't turned it up in this area yet.
 
in my case, I got a surfboard modem and I have a Juniper/netscreen at home
@MichaelHampton the secret is they have it turned on all over the place, but people with routers need to request an IA_NA and an IA_PD
 
It's sitting in front of a netgear POS router running Tomato
 
on dhcp6
have you sniffed the cablemodem interface for ipv6 packets?
 
DHCP6? WTF really?
 
3:14 AM
if you see ND packets, you're golden
 
@PeterGrace I have my own. somewhere around here :P
 
@voretaq7 sorry, it's late and I lack context on that.
 
The Tomato box didn't see anything last time I checked.
 
AKA, WTF U TALKIN ABOUT
 
@PeterGrace Gibsons
 
3:14 AM
@MichaelHampton ah. I guess it helps I live nearby the lead engineer at comcast for ipv6
 
and its not late until the backup tapes are eaten by a grue :P
 
I e-mailed him and he's like "you're already turned on in our service area, just do x y z and voila"
 
@PeterGrace Yes, and I live in the middle of nowhere.
 
but yeah, if you tcpdump your cablemodem interface port and see neighbor discovery packets in icmp6, I can help you get it across the finish line.
 
3:16 AM
my understanding is they're going live with ipv6 for everyone "Soon"
like, soon as in legitimately soon
 
Verizon tells me all I have to do is growl at them.
 
badass! My enum hack worked
Our extensions internally don't match our DID's, so I just fired up an enum table in dns and now people from denver can transfer calls to people in new york without needing to know their full phone number
 
Oh y eah, I already have native IPv6 on my Verizon PHONE
 
KAA-POWW
Oh, something else I think you guys might like, if you have dropbox: dropitto.me
 
@PeterGrace Do you have a SIP trunk between offices?
 
3:18 AM
@MarkHenderson the denver office is on crappy dsl right now because the fiber line FOC is a ways out
 
@PeterGrace Fucking life saver. One of the things on my todo list before I go on holidays today is to find out how to get someone to drop something int our dropbox
 
and it's still best effort over the internet
these are for sales calls
 
@PeterGrace Fuck man, my whole country runs on crappy DSL
 
@MarkHenderson wow, really? Glad I mentioned it then!
 
If you get anything above a 3Mb sync then you're king shit
 
3:19 AM
haha
We've got 100mbit fiber in NY-HQ and we're going to also have 100mbit in the denver sales office once it gets installed.
so theoretically sip should work just fine once that's done, but, I dunno if I trust it entirely
the sales guys don't seem too concerned about an uptick in voice minutes on our PRIs
so, whatever. We got channels to burn ;)
 
@PeterGrace my office is on a SIP trunk - 100% reliable with the exception of when our provider craps itself. If you have decent redundancy it should be fine
 
@voretaq7 "It works except for when it doesn't"
 
(also our phone bill dropped by like 80%)
@JoelESalas more like "It works, except ISPs on long island suck big floppy donkey dick."
 
@voretaq7 What about the donkey-dong makes it especially floppy
 
@JoelESalas The ISPs are so lousy the donkey can't get aroused.
 
3:26 AM
@voretaq7 So the donkey's a shower, not a grower
 
@JoelESalas More information than I need about a donkey.
 
@voretaq7 It always works, except when it doesn't!
 
@WesleyDavid you're 5 minutes late to this conversation, cat. Catnip ration decreased by 10% for the evening.
 
Can I be excused because I've been self-harming with Windows service accounts for the last four hours?
 
ok, shit's not rebreaking and I'm done my asterisk futzing
so I'm off to bed. Later guys
 
3:29 AM
@PeterGrace ... translation: "Denver's phones have been reprogrammed to dial random porn lines all day and ring in" -- Good show old boy!
 
haha, that would be funny
and easily scriptable....
NO PETE, NO.
/me &
 
@voretaq7 Ha, those are pretty good.
Crap, I'm almost out of funny pictures. Must go find more.
 
@WesleyDavid claw
 
3:38 AM
@MarkHenderson Good morning doll face.
 
@PeterGrace www.supermathie.net has IPv6 address 2001:470:b0e2:0:feed:face:dead:beef
4
 
@WesleyDavid Wanna sniff some catnip with me laterz?
So I can get you off your face and abuse you?
 
@MarkHenderson I'm so pissed off right now, I want to crush it up, spit in it, heat it up in a spoon and inject it into my arm.
 
@WesleyDavid Poor kitty licks face
 
3:42 AM
I don't have enough rep to create a synonym...
 
@MichaelHampton What do you want?
@WesleyDavid Having trouble with service accounts?
You mean you don't just run it as DOMAIN\Administrator?!
 
@MarkHenderson Just...just... hold me! :'(
 
@WesleyDavid spoons
@WesleyDavid Ask a question about it on SF so we can argue about how you're doing it wrong and not help you
 
I'm more angry at what I have to do that requires me to mess with service accounts. Mounting S3 storage as a drive letter accessible to services running as LocalSystem. Need I say more?
 
3:44 AM
@WesleyDavid: Hold you? Over a pit of lava?
got another new toy >_>
 
@WesleyDavid You poor man
 
@JourneymanGeek Kitty does not like.
 
@WesleyDavid: the beauty of it is kitty cannot actually do anything ;p
puts down @WesleyDavid far away from lava, and goes back to playing with the new torchlight.
 
@MarkHenderson Well the service in question runs as LocalSystem, and when I run a command prompt in the LocalSystem context, I can browse the drive. So theoretically data should be written to the drive. But it's not.
So I'm going to shim something even MOAR dreadful in place.
I'm already deep in the throes of self-loathing.
 
@WesleyDavid Running command prompt as localsystem? Did you have to bust out psexec to do that?
 
3:47 AM
@MarkHenderson Yessir.
 
I've had a lot of issues running apps interactively under localsystem
For example, Word does some whacked out shit when its not running under an account with a full profile
(don't ask me why we were running Word in that manner... just don't)
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I think it messes up fermions and gives Stephen Hawking a migraine when you do that.
@MarkHenderson That sounds pretty badass.
Let's make a group, add NetworkService and LocalSystem to it, and add it to the Enterprise Admins group and then play minesweeper with it!!
4
The mines will never know what hit them.
 
I'm considering throwing a +500 bounty on this motherfucker:
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Q: What does shadow /V actually do?

Mark HendersonAccording to shadow: C:\Users\mark.henderson>shadow /? Monitor another Remote Desktop Services session. SHADOW {sessionname | sessionid} [/SERVER:servername] [/V] sessionname Identifies the session with name sessionname. sessionid Identifies the session with ID session...

It's been driving me mad for weeks now
I MUST KNOW
 
@MarkHenderson Better con someone at MS into looking at the source, then
 
@MarkHenderson Hmmm... maybe I'll donate a week's rep to it. Get back in the game and get a few hundred.
Can't two people double-bounty a question?
The bounty system is teh borked in some ways.
 
3:53 AM
@WesleyDavid Nope
 
@WesleyDavid Nope
 
@WesleyDavid Nope
 
@ShaneMadden Yeah, my first thought was "Lemme find the source package" before I remembered it was Windows
 
@MarkHenderson Best guess is it's meant to be "verbose" but doesn't actually work.
 
@MarkHenderson Pretty much.
 
3:55 AM
@MichaelHampton Well considering that shadow's only purpose is to entirely replace your session with someone elses session, I'm not quite sure why it would print anything as you can't see it
 
@MarkHenderson It's Microsoft, it's not supposed to make sense.
 
I'm really not a lover or hater of any vendor or technology. I don't care who uses what. I find the *nix fanbois to be obnoxiously clueless in their Microsoft bashing and the Microsoft Evangelists to be marketing droids and every other platform apologist in between or on the sidelines to be just as fanatical.

However...
...sometimes I really want to throttle some Redmonders.
 
@WesleyDavid But I enjoy Microsoft bashing. It's fun and easy!
 
Except CP/M. Ya'll can kiss CP/M's ass and like it.
MOAR!!
 
@WesleyDavid Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it.
 
3:58 AM
@WesleyDavid You vagina started pulsating at that photo, didn't it?
 
@MarkHenderson I think I need a cigarette now.
 
@WesleyDavid You're easy pleased
 
Weee! I just earned my second Necromancer badge totally out of the clear blue.
Suddenly a new monstrosity dawns in my mind... accessing administrative shares via UNC path...
BRB! Destroying worlds.
sniff :'(
bites @MarkHenderson
 
@WesleyDavid wrestle
Sorry, I'm going on holidays tomorrow for a week so I'm filling in everyone else what I expect them to work on while I'm away
 
4:14 AM
@MarkHenderson So we're not seeing you for a whole week?
That finger is wearing a fake cat as its moustache.
So hipster.
 
@WesleyDavid Yep pretty much. Enjoy being sad and lonely without me fuckers
@WesleyDavid A damn fine mustache it is too
 
@MarkHenderson I die 3600 deaths each hour that I'm away from you. x_x
Borked mah maths.
 
@WesleyDavid I have to take my human ball and chain and my spawn away for a few days. It will be horrible. Except for the wicked awesome play equipment, that'll be good. But heated pools! Beaches! Sad face.
 
@MarkHenderson Headed far away or sticking close to home?
 
4:22 AM
@WesleyDavid Close this time. Heading about 90 minutes north of Sydney
I wanted to go to thsi wicked rainforest resort, but it was about a 7 hour drive, and it's not worth driving that for just for 2 nights
 
 
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5:39 AM
 
@MichaelHampton One of my coworkers has that on his wall
 
Sounds like this guy is cashing out his life. I wonder what he'll do with it...
 
6:07 AM
crack... lots and lots of crack.
 
6:28 AM
Righto folks, I'm off for a week. Someone feed @WesleyDavid for me while I'm gone will you? He likes his butthole licked clockwise.
 
@MarkHenderson =(
I'm going to cry myself to sleep in about 30 minutes.
 
G'day
 
7:10 AM
I think I should be allowed to tattoo : "Nothing Magic happens just because someone said 'Virtualisation'". to people's foreheads.
 
@DJPon3 in mirror writing ?
 
oh yes
 
Иoƚʜinǫ Mɒǫiɔ ʜɒqqɘnƨ Ⴑuƨƚ dɘɔɒuƨɘ ƨomɘonɘ ƨɒib 'Viɿƚuɒliƨɒƚion'
 
you've put a lot of thought into this mirror writing lark
 
I need to organise my bookmarks - I could have googled it quicker
 
7:23 AM
i just search my bookmarks
 
@JoelESalas There's a project called Appaloosa Templates which replicate (most of) the Percona Cacti templates for Zabbix. Just thought you might like to know.
 
rather than try and actually find something in there
 
8:22 AM
 
XD
Anyone had success setting up postfixadmin with Courier IMAP?
 
8:48 AM
Nobody here but us chickens.
 
9:23 AM
seriously what the bleep!
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Q: Exchange server crashes because of large email

Frederik NielsenI got a problem with a old exchange server, where a user tried to send a 750mb email with a lot of images in it. After he did that, the server stops responding. A reboot helps for a short time, but then it begins to lock up again. He cannot open Outlook to remove the email there, because as so...

morning all :)
 
Morning.
 
Dan
9:42 AM
@ewwhite Got my trunk/etherchannel working - yay
 
10:15 AM
anyone here that's good with netapps?
 
@LucasKauffman still looking a way to encrypt the luns?
 
what do you see when you type in "fccryptainer list"
 
10:32 AM
well thats the problem, I dont actually have access to NetApp at the moment -_-
 
assuming that it works, you would see list of luns and their statuses
although i don't know the command, the process is to create a key for each lun
fccryptainer keys list - would show you the Cryptainer key ID and also it's state
 
thanks!
 
10:59 AM
Fun: Ubuntu 11 in a remote desktop session. Every time I type 'd' in a terminal window, it minimises everything.
 
stop typing d ?
 
Makes 'sudo' kind of tricky.
 
my wife's macbook pro was missing the letters a and s so when ever she needed them, she'd goto a text file and copy and paste them out
 
whatd you mean by narq? i kinda think its a legit question - he wants to hide the ip / dns of the remote server, no ?
 
Dan
11:09 AM
@Iain I agree with @lsiunsuex - the question itself is fairly clear, it just seems completely daft to me
 
Man, fuck ubuntu. Now I can't open any terminal windows. Who uses this shit?
 
@SmallClanger you :p
 
Not really, I was just asked to set up a VM for someone. I had to drop to 11 from 12 bcause the install for 12 hangs on startup and now from a clean install it's pissing me about like a 10-year old Windows ME install.
 
just leave a live cd image attached to the VM - they'll never notice
 
I might just shove some splints under their fingernails. It'll be less painful.
 
11:26 AM
@Dan daft/narq what's the difference ?
 
The difference between stupid and incomprehensible, as I interpret the descriptions.
 
Dan
@Iain I'd go with Hopeless. NARQ is something that either simply doesn't have a question, or it's far too vague. In this case, the question is pretty clear cut IMHO
But you're the mod :)
Now this is a NARQ:

http://serverfault.com/questions/418437/logoff-remotely-citrix-xen-app-session

:D
 
ow god
 
I just think that one is OT :)
 
Man, that guy is trying really hard to get the low quality posting ban.
 
11:38 AM
is netapp storage encryption a feature or an option on ONTAP?
 
Dan
:D
I'm putting off doing Group Policy sooo badly
 
@LucasKauffman ask netapp
 
meh I'll guess I'll give em a ring
 
12:00 PM
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Q: what to charge conference users for conference use

NicolasMy company runs a conference center and wants to install a WiFi network using Ruckus ap's pwered by 250MBPS. managed and monitored what can I suggest they charge for access to users

700 dollars an hour!
 
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Q: ESXi Second hard drive empty after failure ? or is it?

schmoopyI had an esxi server installed on a 500GB drive. the system also had a 2TB drive. I had put vm's on both drives. The 500GB drive has failed. When i attempt to connect the 2TB SATA drive to either Windows 7 or Ubuntu they both show the drive as empty. I have installed vmfs-tools. When i try t...

 
Because it's not able to read the volume information, it just assumes it's blank. Naughty Ubuntu.
invalid magic Heh.
 
I think it's a silly question, though.
Shouldn't the OP build a new ESXi system?
and what of the VM's on the failed disk?
 
Could have an extent on the disks. Ubuntu should have a VMFS module. But I've never seen anything for Windows.
 
Yeah, but perhaps to build a new ESXi system, he needs the data on the failed disk. For lack of backups.
 
12:09 PM
@HopelessN00b he shouldn't, should he? Install ESXi on a new drive, read non-failed disk. Lose whatever was on failed disk.
 
Dan
It's Friday and the client just apologised that the site was closing a couple of hours earlier today. I think I pulled off my best "Oh, right - well that's not ideal, but I'm sure we can stay on schedule" while thinking "Early Beer and curry, whoop whoop"
 
Indeed not, but if he's using a 500GB disk for an ESXi install, what are the odds that disk only has ESXi on it?
 
@HopelessN00b Oh, like a dual-boot or something?
 
@ewwhite Be my guess, but of course, it could be anything else too... maybe he used it store VMs until he filled it up and got the 2TB.
 
Miaow.
 
12:18 PM
"Oh, I know. A question that shows no research effort and wants to run on an unreleased operating system? Let's kick it to ServerFault"
StackOverflow doesn't migrate crap my ass.
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Q: Windows 8 Convert VMWARE VM to hyper-v

orangebitHi anyone know a way to convert a VMWare workstation vm to hyper-v for Windows 8 pro?

 
Dan
@tombull89 rtm now dude, maybe he has MSDN
Hahaha, I nearly convinced myself then
 
Surprised my shameless plug didnt' get removed there :P
 
12:44 PM
le sigh Boss has an interview at 10am with a guy who would be very "grate full" for an interview, and "defiantly" want to come in... I think it's pretty showing when people can't manage to spell their everyday communications correctly (considering the prevalence of spell check), but when you have screwed up every single interaction with a potential employer... that's bordering on impressive.
 
Anyone that does independent consulting work have a framework for a contract I could look at? <cough>@WesleyDavid</cough>
$OldJob just had their vSphere cluster blow up and since they haven't replaced me, they want to bring me on over the weekend to fix it, but I've never consulted before
 
@MDMarra Hmmmm. Never had any of our vSpheres just blow up. Was someone there "working on it" when this happened?
 
Actually, vSphere is fine
they had a core swich go
and who knows how long ago the config was backed up
 
Oh gotcha, hardware.
 
so now things "aren't working right"
I documented my half, but apparently the network side was never documented
 
12:51 PM
@MDMarra Think I saw @ewwhite here earlier, he may have something worth sharing.
 
So I need to basically just go in and translate what my documentation means to people that have never worked with vSphere
 
1 x Pushing the button: $1
1 x Knowing which button to push $999
Total Invoice: $1000
Also, wow, surprised that your old position hasn't been filled!
 
They're only offering in the <not a whole lot> range for someone that knows: HP Storage, vSphere, AD, Cisco 802.11, etc.
 
Right, but the higher-ed discount would totally make that worth it for someone looking to grab some degrees/post-grad.
 
So it's just underpaid. The benefits are really good, but the difference in salary for those skills basically anywhere else in the city makes up the difference
It's a Sr. Systems Admin position. In Philly, there are plenty of 6 figure jobs for people with those qualifications
the difference in raw pay makes up for the higher ed benefit
Because of that, they're willing to hire someone that can grow into it, but it takes a long time to find someone that you'd trust with your core infrastructure right off of the bat that you can also grow
When the tuition remission becomes really attractive is when you have multiple college age children, but typically you have to be there 5 years for spouse/kids to qualify for that
 
12:59 PM
@MDMarra I took over the position of a guy who left for high ed, just for that reason. Two kids in school in this district, they'll be going to the uni where he works for nearly "free".
 
Dan
I still can't make up my mind if I'd ever go back out of consultancy - whenever I'm ons ite I spend half my time thinking "Man, if I had a couple of months to sort this place out..." :D
 

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