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@MichaelHampton Noice. I can so totally see myself doing that.
Why are there no Creative Commons images of server racks?
@ewwhite Awesome advice btw, thanks!

Of course, now I'm faced with heading back to a fucking overgrown-Midwestern cowtown that calls itself a "metropolitan area." Home is never gonna suck more. :(
@HopelessN00b The problem with you visiting NYC is that you can no longer complain about Chicago traffic.
@MichaelHampton There are, I've found tons on Flickr and even used them on my consulting website: (redacted)
07:27
@WesleyDavid Ah, that's what I get for going to Google Image Search.
Of course, some are better than others. =)
Hello
Good morning. Hope you brought some beer.
@Noah Hola. Keep in mind, this is not a place for live support.
No beer.
Wanna try some cereal?
07:29
@Noah YES YES YES!!!
No, I am just looking for milk :)
You'd better at least have some coffee then.
Right
but coffee with milk
@WesleyDavid why in the hell you want beer at this time?
@Noah Because beer!
@MichaelHampton I think you can. I mean, you can't walk everywhere or take the metro everywhere in Chicago. You gotta drive. New York, not so much with the need to own a car.
07:31
G'day
Do you want me to suck on those
The chat room description needs a minor edit. It should read: This is *NOT* a place for 'Live Support', ask your therapist.
@Noah Mind the teeth.
I dont see it
I am so hungry, might not feel it
@HopelessN00b You've never been stuck in traffic in New York trying to get out. :)
07:34
sorry, dude
it should be bowl...
07:54
sorry guys
got disconnected
is anyone alive?
My system cannot be connected to the internet. What do I need to do?
I am looking for live support, it's urgetn please.... calling 911
@WesleyDavid aliiive?
@WesleyDavid Feed the cow;)
@Noah The internet is full. Wait for someone else to disconnect and then try again.
@MichaelHampton What does disconnect mean?
What's the blue little guy?
@MichaelHampton let me change my gears...
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You gotta watch this....
If it doesnt tickle you, come back, I will
@MichaelHampton are you zoning out?
@Noah It takes longer than two minutes to watch a seven minute video. :P
08:05
@MichaelHampton just checking...
@HopelessN00b Where did you go? Which advice are you referring to?
@HopelessN00b Chicago is frustrating at times. Our transit system was dismantled in the 1950's. I live 13 miles from downtown and am given the choice of a 40 minute drive, 35 minute bike, 25 minute train +15 minute walk or 60 minute subway trip to cover that distance.
 
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Hi, does anyone know whats the evaluation period for Windows Server 2012 RTM ? How long will it work without activation?
 
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@ClarityForce Almost all MS Trial software is 120-days.
15:01
Ladies Modern Pentathlon show jumping - car crash TV
15:51
@Noah That's like, 12 years old. =P
@Iain D'awwww.
Oh, but @Noah is 15 so he wouldn't know that... =(
 
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Q: Smoothest workflow to handle SSH host verification errors?

ewwhiteThis is a simple issue that we all face. As servers change, are re-provisioned, or IP addresses reused, we get the SSH host verification message below. I'm curious in streamlining the workflow related to these ssh identification errors. Given the following message, I typically vi /root/.ssh/kno...

21:08
Do you want an upvote? :)
No, but just the most elegant solution.
I've been looking at annoying things in my day-to-day which probably have smoother solutions.
when I re-provision systems in Cobbler, I actually keep the host keys consistent across builds... only because I've seen users do so many odd things when they get the SSH key messages
I added a dangerous and lazy answer.
@KennyRasschaert I was just thinking your lab would be a nice attractive target.
My coworkers would call that typical of me, I guess.
this is a scew up serverfault.com/questions/416770/linux-domain-controller 2 questions one's a dupe and the answer's don't address the question fully
21:18
I think I found an error in meta SF FAQ. What do I do?
@MichaelHampton what's the error ?
"You must have at least 5 reputation on the main website to participate on Server Fault." Should it not say... "...participate on Meta"?
Which leads me to my next question. When was the last time anybody actually read the FAQ?
@MichaelHampton only devs or the community team can edit that - put a question up as a on meta
OK.
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Q: You must have 5 reputation to participate on which site again?

Michael HamptonThe meta.SF FAQ states, in part: You must have at least 5 reputation on the main website to participate on Server Fault. Should it not say that you must have 5 reputation on Server Fault to participate on Meta?

21:34
@MichaelHampton it'll probably be ignored for a good while now
I'll check back in a few weeks, then. :)
22:05
I'm evaluating a client's VMWare setup that a local 3rd party contractor built.
It's very interesting to be in a position to critique another engineer's work.
I log in and see all of these alerts and error messages...
But...without alerts and error messages, they wouldn't be able to come back and bill for more labor?
@MichaelHampton True, but there's no update manager... okay, fine. The hosts have SSH-enabled alerts and such... okay, fine. There are management network redundancy errors....
not so fine...
I have to get over the "not configured the way I'd do it" syndrome.
You never get over that.
@ewwhite yes, that doesn't make it bad
It's HP gear, so I'm especially critical...
Wat! No HP agents?!?
22:12
ok, so maybe it is
And I don't see a health tab anywhere in the vCenter console.
Obviously their idea of health was to wait for something to REALLY break, and then call the contractor.
Every time I refresh, it goes between "VMware vSphere 5 Enterprise Plus - Licensed for..." and "VMware vSphere Essential Plus - Licensed for..."
Hm, now that sounds fishy.
@ewwhite someone been playing with keygens perhaps? ;)
22:19
@MarkHenderson Naw, the client bought Essentials Plus. There's no DRS setup available in the cluster config dialog.
Oh, interesting...
I see a vCenter server appliance
Instead of using a Windows server for vCenter!
I'd never really seen one of these primed for production
but that explains why some things are missing
The appliance isn't fully featured?
You still haven't. :)
@MarkHenderson Apparently not... I was trying to figure out why 3389 wasn't open on it...
and I just realized it was an appliance..
SuSe..
No RDP for you!
But yeah, it's missing update manager...
hardware health
22:29
@ewwhite And how often does it crash?
It's kicked me out three times since I've been typing about it
uses Likewise-open for AD-auth
Sounds like a good advertisement for the appliance ;)
Four times.
If you Google it, you will find approximately 9 of the first 10 results are people saying it's a piece of shit and you shouldn't use it.
and the "Enterprise Plus" versus "Essentials Plus" things is bothersome
22:32
I'm sure it's so the contractor would have to come back to "fix" all the "problems" he caused with his unorthodox installation in the first place.
Comparing tabs to my setup...
no hardware status...
That may be an SSH tunnel issue on my side...
Different build numbers too
Yeah, no update manager... so the hosts would have to be updated the hard way.
I was going to SSH in and add the HP health agents
and modify the BIOS for the right power/CPU settings...
Well update manager relies on vSphere, so not compatible with the appliance, that kinda sucks
@mark, you said google results were bad re: the appliance?
Point me to a good link?
22:37
@ewwhite No, I did
First one I came up with was: labs.eweek.com/archives/…
Ah, perfect.
This three-server setup took the contractor 6 days to finish... so I was hoping it'd be all pristine.
@ewwhite You realize you're taking money out of some poor bastard contractor's wallet. You'll have to find and kill him before you finish there.
I must admit though it is a bit weird that VMWare stuck with a Windows appliance and a windows-only client for so long
Yeah, the appliance would be nice, when they get it working, but... SuSE?
@MarkHenderson True... since there is a demand for people who are in Linux-only environments...
Nothing really wrong with SuSe... other than nobody knows the nuances.
22:40
I don't know the nuances of Netware either. I just get rid of it wherever I find it.
I used to have to support SuSe realtime distributions in finance.. and everything was just slightly-off compared to RHEL
Hmm, the ILO's are all unconfigured...
Now you know what the contractor was doing for those six days.
whack-whack
So as the trusted resource, do I say, "This is a non-standard setup that will limit your expansion and possibly impact performance?"
My laundry list includes configuring ILO, clearing all of the host alarms, modding the BIOS, getting update manager in place somehow... getting HP's agents in place for health alerts.
22:46
Depends on who you're reporting to, I suppose.
One additional thing...
It gets worse?
This is EMC storage... so, aren't there plugins for the vCenter?
and wouldn't that break using the Linux vCenter appliance
With my own clients, I know them well enough that I can just tell them straight. It's up to you to translate phrases such as "piece of shit" and "dumbass" into executive speak.
"Ripped off" probably needs no translation, though.
I just called...
"Yeah, that vCenter appliance thing is a bit non-standard..."
but then the client said that they didn't have Windows 2008 in place anywhere...
(although they have a 2008 datacenter license available)
so maybe the appliance was just a shortcut...
that's not TOO bad... although, it kicked me out 7 times today
23:03
Earlier it had only kicked you out three times.
yes, and another few while I was on the line with the customer
I trust you found a suitable translation for "incompetent dumbass who put this thing together"?
Well, the vendor is also the SAN vendor... so at the very least, I need a compressed LUN to do my work... that's what started all of this...
so I sent the customer with the list of my questions... and a, "oh, where's the storage you promised?"
Wooo my first user with unicode characters in his name. He almost got offended when I asked him if he had a nickname he prefers to use (he doesn't, so I'm just going to have to use non-accented characters. And think up an email alias so that people don't have to spell 15 random letters as an email address)
23:09
@MarkHenderson makes sense... exciting! We have a couple here on SF, right?
(I almost typed "here on Slashdot")
@ewwhite Yeah SF has very good unicode support
SMTP, not so much
(btw I mean at work, not on Server Fault)
Thousands of cron jobs on a single server? Something funny going on there.
@MichaelHampton Hmm?
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Q: Store Cron Jobs into a database

eldblzIn order to build a system to maintain thausands of cronjobs on a linux system, i'm facing the problem of being able to handle them in a scalable way, i need to use a database (i was thinking of using MySQL) for storing the jobs instead of default plaintext files. Does anyone know if there is a ...

I'm not sure what he's after, but I'm sure it isn't going to be good.
I had a 2,000 line crontab at one job...
and replaced it with the Open Source Job Scheduler.... there was no way to calculate dependencies and maintenance windows with that awful crontab.

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