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16:00
I wrote a TSR in high school that would shift the cursor position and display up one line every second or so (and wrap, naturally). Really entertaining when you turned on a monitor to login and it would be looping like that.
I called her ISP and said "I need an additional public static IP and I need a static NAT set up to one of the internal machines, I can give you the IP"

"sure thing sure, what's the IP"

"192.168.1.10"

"Ok, and what is the public IP"

"What?"

"The public IP that you're mapping it to?"

"Um, you're selling that to me, remember? You are the ISP, after all."

"Oh, right."
@Iszi Possible someone mussed up the LOCAL SERVICE account's name?
"OK, and what is the public IP"
"I can pick? Awesome! Can you use 8.8.8.8?"
@MikeyB I kind of wanted to give them something invalid or ridiculous
and see if they'd try
like 1.0.0.0/2
But, since I was volunteering at the school over a vacation, I was already a little pressed to just get the fuck out of there
and drink
@jscott Not likely, here.
16:13
@Iszi See also S-1-2-0 LOCAL : support.microsoft.com/kb/243330
A command like icacls C:\Users\jscott\Downloads /grant *S-1-2-0:(M) succeeds, and the ACL looks like:
LOCAL is a special group, no?
Nothing unusual really, other than you don't really see it all that much in ACLs
@wfaulk OH dear God that brings back memories. I hadn't through about TSRs in over a decade.
I was wrong-o on that. Not introduced with XP...
I try to be wrong about at least 15% of what I say. It keeps everyone else on their toes.
@MDMarra Not kidding, that's not a bad percentage. :) I'm certain I exceed that. Although I do prefer immediate and direct correction.
16:23
so much work.... i need peons
not padawans, paper-pushing peons :)
@voretaq7 Work-work-work.
@voretaq7 padawans can be made to push paper
Pretty much anything can be made to push paper
@MDMarra I asked the drinking bird to do it but all the forms got soggy :(
@84104 STOP POKING ME!!!!!
It's kind of funny how many more chat regulars we have since the last election
I remember immediately after the election, I was, legitimately, the only non-blue in the room
what does the blue mean?
16:26
moderator
somewhere on the network
@SpacemanSpiff SMURFS!!!!
if you've got a diamond on any site you're a global chat mod as well and your name glows a godly shade of blue
either that or it sucks the life out of you leaving you lonely and blue
i always get those two confused
@voretaq7 Is that all you do?
@jscott inverse video smurfs!
@84104 there's more to management than poking?!?
@voretaq7 There's also the hokey.
16:30
@MDMarra Actually it's Cherenkov radiation...
@84104 that's upper management
I just received an email with no body. The subject says Pizza in backstage now
It could be a trap, but it's a risk I'm willing to take
4
I HATE @#$% PRINTERS
OMG. My hardware tech just got a frantic phone call from a luser. Can't figure out how to turn their monitor on.
Just had to write a 'how to extend a virtual disk including all the LVM shit' document for our operation numpties - turns out they've been adding new virtual disks every time they wanted a bigger /var or whatever - ffs!
@Chopper3 that's weirdly wrong.
And are you hiring juniors that aren't brain-damaged?
16:44
Our sub-continental friends
They think it makes sense, they don't understand about resource assignments and how multiple .vmdk's throw things out of wack
@Chopper3 Ah, yes. Got plenty of exposure to that when I did L2 App Support for Big Blue.
17:00
Is it wrong that the easiest path I found to getting the PL2303 serial converter working on OS X was hooking it up to a Linux VM?
@MikeyB It didn't just pick it up right away?
What version of OSX are you running? They must have dropped the driver.
@ChrisS Nope. OS X Lion all updated.
@ChrisS Apparently someone's written a driver package for 10.4 and above...
@MikeyB Yeah, looks like somewhere around 10.4 it got dropped. Meh, there's still drivers available for it.
It shouldn't be too surprising that it got dropped; I'm sure 99% of people who would be using a USB<->Serial converter know how to install drivers too.
I like that my new laptop has a Serial port on the back too; it's come in handy a couple times now.
You can't erase the last 30 years of serial usage... there's plenty of old industrial machines that are in perfect working order but were built in the era of serial
@Basil Serial is the sendmail of connectivity?
17:11
@ChrisS But not necessarily install drivers on OS X :p (I tried using the installer but nothing showed up after it finished, I expected it to show as /dev/tty.* but nada)
@voretaq7 heh
@MikeyB there aught to be a kernel module (iirc the Mach kernel calls them services, but whatever) you can load and it just works.... The installer shouldn't do anything but put the module in place and tell OSX to load it on boot.
@ChrisS Is this about a USB<->serial adapter on OS X?
@BartSilverstrim Yeah. Apparently Apple dropped support for the PL2303 somewhere around 10.4
Oh. Haven't tested it lately but I had a keyspan adapter that didn't have any dev entry until you plugged it in.
I think the kext would see it and assign as necessary.
17:19
Disregard the comment about Mach, forgot OSX uses XNU which is a hybrid of Mach and FreeBSD kernels...
Suddenly worried, guys seems out of his depth :( serverfault.com/a/383875/1435
@jscott So, if I'm reading correctly, this group could grant all locally-logged-on users Admin rights if it was placed in Administrators?
playin with my new camera
@Iszi Maybe easier to just add the local Users group to the local Administrators group. NET LOCALGROUP doesn't indicate non-group Security Principals. I am pretty sure you can do it though. -- NOT THAT I THINK IT"S A GOOD IDEA.
17:46
@jscott I'm not saying I want \LOCAL in Administrators. I'm just trying to understand what effect it might have. Am I correct in my assessment?
Spiff on SuperUser just called me out on my migrated wireless answer.
I was about to come in here and talk to you @SpacemanSpiff about it. Then I realized "Wait, I didn't think Spaceman was 40 years old..."
linky? I have an SU account, i can make it more confusing
Still battling this Elfiq balancer unit.
17:49
@SpacemanSpiff The link is in the profile onebox above
We had our iPads turn up today. Best thing is they won't "work" with our VLE/Intranet so they're now glorified Web Browsers.
It seems as though there are settings that I should have.. but aren't well documented
@ewwhite But are you getting paid to battle it? That's the question. =)
Like session persistence on https
17:50
@Iszi If you were able to add Local to the local Administrators groups, I would expected that to be the case. I'll have to do some testing, as I've not tried using SID/Security Prinicpals as group-members.
yes, I'm being paid
@ewwhite Then that's okay. I seem to have a bad habit of doing work that never gets paid. =|
Well, support told me that they have a script that configs their "best practice" settings...
I hate stuff like that.
@Basil It's spelled "Canadia"!
that should be in the documentation
17:52
@ewwhite DocuWhatNow?
I started getting calls from users saying that they couldn't get to many websites...
turned out to be https websites.
There's an entire config section for protocol persistence...
## Acl persistence inside
  acl per in +tcp 1 +any +any:443-443 +persist 600
  acl per in +tcp 2 +any +any:80-80 +persist 600
and that was set by default...
interesting... so it was sending HTTP out one path, but when the website asked for a redirect it egressed out the other link?
But I also needed to have something to trigger persistence...
## Persistence triggers
persist trigger 1 tcp:443 600
that is the suck!
@voretaq7 We life up in Canadaland for you folk.
17:55
so now I have to add that for VPN users, too
and there's a whole section of fixup protocols...
so with Elfiq, they want to interview you before you deploy...
and generate a config FOR you.
You would think there would be some kind of template for this.
I also noticed that when I called support, they were surprised to not have my unit's config on file...
@MikeyB And a delightfully Ontarian accent it is. Missed that since I left the Buffalo area. =)
@Adrian whatchoo talkin' aboot? :)
18:12
No post-sales support...
hmm... without a plan purchase
and the CLI syntax is a little tricky for me...
## Acl persistence inside
acl per in +tcp 1 +any +any:443-443 +persist 600 acl per in +tcp 2 +any +any:80-80 +persist 600
## Acl nat outside
  acl nat out +tcp
  acl nat out +tcp
  acl nat out +tcp
  acl nat out +udp
1 +any +212.217.1.33/32:80-80 +nat ndnet:194.204.1.100/32 ndport:80
2 +any +212.217.1.33/32:25-25 +nat ndnet:194.204.1.101/32 ndport:25
3 +any +212.217.1.33/32:443-443 +nat ndnet:194.204.1.100/32 ndport:443 1 +any +212.217.1.33/32:53-53 +nat ndnet:194.204.1.102/32 ndport:53
  acl nat out +ip
> acl nat out +tcp
> acl nat out +tcp
> acl nat out +tcp
That's so you can tell it that you REALLY mean it?
I think it's a linewrap issue.
or copy/paste from a PDF
18:31
Hmm. I'm suspecting that 'Moonlight' and 'Silverlight' are the same person with multiple accounts based on this question: serverfault.com/questions/335257/…
@MikeyB North of Albany is Canada.
@Adrian Confirmed and sockpuppets killed.
@ChrisS Cool! Thanks!
@ChrisS Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
@voretaq7 Canada is also south of Albany. And now that I look, I'm only slightly north.
18:37
@PauskaSock Don't worry, I'm not genocidal... yet
@ChrisS It's when you become spermicidal that @PauskaSock needs to worry.
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So Jonathan Coulton is going to be in Toronto 2012-06-06 to perform.
Anyone know if there's some way to tell if an IP is a Tor exit point?
@ChrisS Pretty sure...
(searching)
@MikeyB Which is *awesome*… until we remember that it's my wife's due date.
18:49
@MikeyB Okay, so why did markdown break, that time?
@Iszi If you're still interested...
@ChrisS proxy.org/tor.shtml may be one way
Who's hand is up @PauskaSock's posterior, btw? Is it really @pauska?
@WesleyDavid Who knows…
C:\>net localgroup Administrators
Alias name     Administrators
Comment        Administrators have complete and unrestricted access to the computer/domain
Members
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FCSD\Domain Admins
FCSD\Local Administrators
isc
The command completed successfully.

C:\>net localgroup Administrators /ADD LOCAL
The command completed successfully.

C:\>net localgroup Administrators
Alias name     Administrators
Comment        Administrators have complete and unrestricted access to the computer/domain
18:50
@Basil checks... Nope! That's not his hand!
@WesleyDavid I helped a kitten today eat when a big cat tried to steal his food. yeeeey
Hrm... Looks like it's not on the list
@LucasKauffman High five! o/
@ChrisS Try browsing directly to the IP - often exit nodes are handled separately (i.e. IP dedicated to the exit node and an explanatory webpage on it)
18:54
Woot. We just got ourselves a real bona fide backup retention policy.
@MikeyB Connection timed out. Worth a try
@jscott I've still not seen that group before today... Strange.
Sorry it took so long, it was actually simple, I was just doing Real Work when the discussion settled.
@ChrisS It's not normal in the Local Administrators
@jscott Right; but I've not seen it anywhere...
18:57
I know... But there are accounts and such in that list that I've never seen actually used.
I don't know who would want to add it explicitly to an ACL as in @Iszi's case, but it doesn't seem like there's anything unusual about bit -- Would expect it interesting to know the difference between Local and Authenticated Users.. I can imagine it's subtle.
I think a lot of those are left over from the NT days, and their meaningless in today's post-Win5.0 context.
Urghh arrghh!
@jscott So, that's a yes to my presumption? Under that configuration, any locally logged-in user has Admin access?
Yeah, any user who's credentials are verified locally gets admin.
19:05
@ChrisS Yuck.
Customer's DB people: "The new XIV sucks! The one in [location B takes] twice as long to do any work [as the one in location A]!"
Customer: "Hey, can you help us investigate this performance issue?"
Us: "Sure, no problem." *investigation* "Uhhh… the batch jobs you're sending to DB2 attached to location B are twice as large."
Customer: "Oh, really???"
Customer's DB people: "Oh really? Hey, would'ja look at that? We still don't like them."
local should be a group that includes interactive login, remote login, and batch groups.
@Iszi Yeah, it appears to be. Not ideal. :)
Now I get to do the 1-banana job... counting cables. aka Podcast time
@MikeyB They aren't complaining about storage metrics, they're complaining about server metrics.
19:18
mmm I wonder if the tim guy has a point
are we more mild towards high reps/chat room regulars?
@LucasKauffman Have a search on meta. This issue has been raised at least once...
I think every meta SO, SU, etc, has had their "Can we be nicer to the noobs?" question.
@jscott yea, but this is more or less, are we too friendly towards high reps?
meh I'll open it on meta to get some other peoples points
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
@Basil These DB guys just really don't like the XIV. It kills them to not be able to say "give me 20 spindles of R10 disk".
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
19:25
@MikeyB So they'd have a problem with any storage then- not just XIV
they just want local drives?
I told a great UDP joke at a staff meeting one time, but almost nobody got it.
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@MikeyB "Here, here's 180 spindles..." Doesn't the XIV modules each do some magical vRAID10 with the 1MB partitions.
@MikeyB cabal :(?
@MDMarra The best part of UDP jokes is that I don't care if you get it.
@jscott All reads to the array are done simultaneously by all the disks.
@Basil These are the same guys that keep asking us to "turn off the cache because cache is bad!"
@jscott Yes, each 1MB partition (storage chunk) is randomly mirrored across different disks on separate shelves (subject to additional constraints as to location, but I won't bore you with the details).
19:30
@MikeyB ... how are they employed?
@LucasKauffman There is no Usenet cabal.
@Basil Easy, they're not "storage admins". They're "DB2 admins".
@MikeyB Funny how people seem to do more emoting than thinking....
To a new yorker, anything north of Albany is canada.
That includes Maine, Vermont, most of Chicago...
@MikeyB My DB2 admins would be fired if they talked like that.
@voretaq7 Ah well that explains things.
19:31
@MikeyB I don't get it...
@LucasKauffman tl;dr: lmgtfy
@MikeyB I did, it returned an MMORPG
@jscott Exactly.
@MikeyB nvm
19:34
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
2 mins ago, by MikeyB
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
24 secs ago, by MDMarra
2 mins ago, by MikeyB
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
Well, I wasn't even born when these groups emerged, you're just old :/
2 mins ago, by Basil
24 secs ago, by MDMarra
2 mins ago, by MikeyB
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
@LucasKauffman Bah! Young'un! You probably don't even post to Usenet.
OH MY GOD I'M OLD
19:40
@MikeyB I can make you feel young again.
@MikeyB Actually I don't, the only time I head about it was when they tried to shut some of it down for piracy?
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A: Segments/Processes running on same UDP socket

mgorvenCorrect; because that's how listening sockets work.

sigh
not a real question, imho
@Adrian Not really, go ahead and kill it.
@mgorven some people's children, eh?
19:43
@mgorven I'm just a peon here too, actually.
Flagged it for good measure though. Maybe @voretaq7 can thump me aside the head for filing yet another flag and interrupting his day. =P
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Q: Persistent Web Server Connection from Multiple Hosts

Hi ThereSuppose that a Web server runs in Host C on port 8080. Suppose this Web server uses persistent connections, and is currently receiving requests from two different Hosts, A and B. Are all of the requests being sent through the same socket at Host C? If they are being passed through different soc...

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@mgorven Gearing up for an exam, or some other classwork.
@Basil Makes me very sad that I fit in that bottom line, even if only barely.
There their.
19:48
@Adrian ditto
I don't get to complain much though since my GF doesn't tolerate it considering she's 48.
Wow... :|
Now I feel old lol
Was explaining to a service desk person here, that they don't know how good they have it supporting Windows 7.
I did two years of call center supporting home users on 95 and 98 and the networking stack nightmares that insued
@SpacemanSpiff Ugh. Was just going to mention the win95 net stack.
it was beyond awful, disjointed, and then when they got spyware, jeebus
This isn't a challenge to perspective employees so much as something that makes me think there is a guy racing in a back room to hand-code the response to every GET before it times out:
19:55
@SpacemanSpiff well look on the bright side, in that time when you said "reboot the computer" you would be sure it would be at least 10 minutes before they'd come back to you
Actually one customer blew me away... that it was a woman impressed me further
I'd ask her to reboot her DSL modem, and she's be gone for 15 minutes
After the second time I ask her why its taking so long and she says "well... I have to jump in the truck and drive over to my chicken house"
she actually bought a pair of wireless bridges and dish antennas, and used that to get her modem's ethernet over to her house, because her chicken house was in an exchange within the DSLAM's distance limits
you should have asked if there were any feather clogging the connection
I mean... you just don't see every customer willing to go to such lengths for broadband.
@SpacemanSpiff how fast was that, there must be huge signal loss on that?
@LucasKauffman There is no cabal.
19:58
she said it was 500 feet away, was able to get 2-3Mbit once her DSL was syncing properly
@MDMarra Spell-checking is obviously a "nice to have" and not mandatory though.
@Adrian ?
HA, I see it now!
How did I miss that?
@MDMarra just a wee bit of a spelling nazi. =)
I wonder what condition one has if they have Java breath.
anybody good with NetScalers?
Now they are calling my network devices em in Linux, apparently "Ethernet on Motherboard"
Crazy kids won't leave well enough alone
20:02
@LucasKauffman Ah, but Kyle isn't just a high rep user. Kyle is ServerFault Valued Employee #000000001
(re: your meta question)
p.s. Your question does kind of suck @KyleBrandt
:p
If view the question as translating traditional backups in backing up S3 I don't think it really sucks
Yes it is called versioning... this can have a cost impact of X etc
@LucasKauffman And maybe it's just one of my habits, but I tend to go review other posts by ANYONE who posts an awesome question or answer, and then upvote their other awesome posts too.
Also, Google doesn't really answer it on page 1 of "backing up amazon s3"
I've seen some really great awesomely detailed answers in the 'first answers' review list
It is on the wall of text of the first result, but that doesn't come with any experience either. As in, yes, it provide versioning, but as an admin you have to write a lot of scripts blah blah blah.
20:11
Tim has a point though. If it's in the docs, it's in the docs.
If the question was something like, "How do I automate versioning as described in the S3 docs" or whatever, that's different than "How do I back up S3"
At least that's my opinion
I did get a good laugh out of him accusing you of vote fraud though hahaha
Changed my mind, question destroyed
@MDMarra what? vote fraud?
@Adrian Some 1k rep user accused Kyle of "point trading"
whatever that is
I assume it's the same as vote fraud
Given the meta noise on the question no way it is worth it
@KyleBrandt FYI, that was one of the worst questions I've seen all week. =)
20:14
@MDMarra Ah. somebody with their drawers in a knot. My usual response is to take a number.
@Zypher - trip Kyle next time you see him in the halls.
That meta question did lead me to dig this old gem up
Dec 20 '11 at 14:39, by Kyle Brandt
@ScottPack: Maybe when you visit your family this holiday, you can have a relative that can update your browser help you?
@MDMarra Do not meddle in the affairs of those that can unplug the servers, for your user account is tasty and goes goot with DROP statements.
@KyleBrandt but but but my rep :(
@LucasKauffman Don't worry, there'll be someone with a terrible DNS question any second now.
20:25
@WesleyDavid I want to kick you off your number 1 throne this week!
Wow. There's a shit-ton of books out there for Windows stuff.
@WesleyDavid Here you go:
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Q: How to get current DNS settings if I do not have access to admin panel?

ABTOMATThere is a site, it needs to move to another server. It's copied there, works well. Now I need to change my A-record. And then I learn that for some reasons we do not have access to NS admin end. We have another DNS and we CAN switch domain to it, but we don't know all the settings, there was mu...

@LucasKauffman You're doing a good job of it too. That "uninstall bloatware" answer capped you twice so far I think?
@WesleyDavid yea
I'm not proud of it though, it seems that often people upvote the simplest answers faster than the more technical or complex ones
20:44
Browsing through the Trend profanity/sexual discrimination/etc filters and wow, I'm learning a lot of words.
@LucasKauffman Heh. They upvote the hilarious answers too. =)
OK, I totally have to google 'chocolate starfish invader'.
@MikeyB I feel puzzled that I already know what that means just by looking at it.
@MikeyB I totally did not need that mental image....
@MikeyB And what did you learn after searching for that?
20:57
Figured out that customer's emails are being blocked by his outbound content filter. He's working with a local company that is a homonym for a female slur (if you don't know how it's actually pronounced).
Pre-emptive strike
@WesleyDavid That Limp Bizkit has an album out with 'Chocolate Starfish' in the title.
@MikeyB ...and the hot dog flavored water.
@WesleyDavid That the internet isn't safe for grown adults to wander around in unescorted, let alone small children?

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