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17:00
@TylerShads I've only used the home edition, I wouldn't know :/ but it works, it keeps the viri out
@Adrian LOLWUT
@LucasKauffman As a side note, I've never used a personal AV in my life, never gotten a virus :)
and LOL my birthday message to @kylebrandt got pinned xD
@TylerShads none that you know of :p most virus don't show anymore they just steal your personal info :p
@LucasKauffman hackers gonna hack
@TylerShads He comes down once a month to prove he's still alive.
17:02
@PeterGrace LIES AND SLANDER, he is a robot, always has been, he just needed an oil change.
@kylebrandt is down for monthly maintenance
@TylerShads are all those machines workstations or do they include smartphones and servers?
@LucasKauffman no
@LucasKauffman when I started at this place, they were using a w2k server for their terminal services saying tht it was just upgraded a year ago...
17:08
@TylerShads when did you start there?
@LucasKauffman almost a year ago
2011
@TylerShads but... windows dropped support in 2010... how... why?
some people should have a postnatal abortion
@LucasKauffman My first project was getting that to win08 (only reason it wasnt R2 was because the software they use didn't support 64-bit, at the time)
@LucasKauffman its called birth
Most people complain about server rooms being too cold
Huh...I know I've heard of NOD32 for a while now but just never hadt he reason to research them..
17:11
our workshop is currently 38C
@TomOConnor I wish mine was cold...
Quick poll... Let's say I share a cube wall with a developer who's constantly tapping his feet and fingers on the desk. I'm in an old building (late 1800's) that's pretty creaky. The taps from his feet resonate and are very distracting. His finger-tapping rhythms are a little off, too. I wear headphones to isolate all of the other sounds, but can feel every bump coming from this guy...
Is saying something about it pretty petty on my part?
@ewwhite once, not so much, everytime he does it, a tad. If its just plain out of spite, then hit him with the
I haven't said a thing yet.
17:12
@TomOConnor and mine's only at 31 now, but still
@ewwhite Armor up. Get a nerf gun.
Every time he taps, shoot.
@TomOConnor fun or mean intent?
cause ruckus
@TylerShads Whichever works better.
@TomOConnor I actually have one of those for that particular usage
17:16
@tylershads stck of 1Us in workroom and no place to put my coffee cup. Started to set it there until I realized what I was doing.
@Adrian golfclap
@ewwhite I'd say something. We yell at each other around here... We get along fairly well to start with though.
@ChrisS Is it one of those where you can trip them, call them a dick, and insult their mother and they're buying you lunch 5min later 'cause you're just a couple of awesome fellas or is it a "ima call you an idiot but I have to work with you so lets eat lunch together to strengthen my tolerance of you" situations?
@TylerShads It's more a bunch of mostly competent guys who respect each other's abilities and can mildly harass each other so long as it's withing "funny" bounds. =]
@ChrisS ...So The Comms Room :)
17:20
@ChrisS It's annoying, and I fear that my issues working with him will show through
@Adrian I had a mug break once when I poured in some hot coffee, 3 machines got wet none of them died, gave me a small heart attack tho
@LucasKauffman The $_DEITIES love you
@TylerShads I learned their way of not bringing coffee in an open mug and using a closed thermos instead
@LucasKauffman I would hope so :)
It was a brand new mug and I heard it tension and then it just exploded
I did burn myself so the lesson wasn't completely without pain
17:29
Wonder how it happened o.x
@TylerShads I blame Devoxx for using cheap mug suppliers!
@LucasKauffman we had a coffee pot explode like that
it's a thermal insulated jobby, it was on the cart in the conference room and all of a sudden we heard it tick and then pop and coffee went everwhere
@voretaq7 once you hear the tick it's too late
@voretaq7 That's fucking awesome
@LucasKauffman I could imagine. I'd probably keel over on the spot, with my blood pressure. =/
17:41
@LucasKauffman yeah. We still don't know if it was inherent tension in the glass or differential pressure because someone tightened the lid all the way
@ewwhite I have a question for you. I might rent a machine for myself to fiddle around with, now as base system I was thinking of either kvm,esxi or citrix xen. I've never really used esxi and my biggest concern is how safe it is to be on the WAN. I can't put it behind a firewall unless esxi incorporates one :/ ?
@LucasKauffman It has a firewall
Anyone here have an android?
@Joel without paying for it :p (I m cheap)
@LucasKauffman And I'm becoming less enamoured of KVM/Libvirt every day. =/
17:44
@Basil aye
@Basil don't remind me
@LucasKauffman There's a free version
@Basil At home. Old Droid v1.
@Joel sexy :o
I keep seeing that you need to root your phone to put in a bunch of adblocking entries in the hosts file... why would I need to? Can't I just browse to it and manually edit it?
17:44
@Basil Oh you
@Basil you can try if you put it in debug mode
@Basil OS have a lock on it? I'd check to see if you could do that with something like Astro File Manager.
@Basil you can open a shell but you will need the platform tools for android I think
@Basil Are you aware of any system that lets you change the hosts file NOT as root?
@Joel Good point. I assumed I'd have the ability to edit that as a user...
does rooting my phone void the warranty?
17:46
:38936 it's still linux
I wonder...
@Basil Yes
@Basil depends on the brand
almost guaranteed
@Basil Because android isn't as open source as you'd think
17:47
@TylerShads It's a damned sight better than ios.
@Basil what brand is it? Some manufacturers actually allow you to do it these days
@LucasKauffman Which ones?
Sony Ericson does
Ericson
Neat!
I think HTC might too and Samsung maybe
they even supply tools for it
you might also be able to unroot your phone after rooting it, if you root you facilitate entry for malware
17:48
My talogs are huuuuueg
@LucasKauffman It's a nexus s
@LucasKauffman I hate software from shopping malls too
@Basil that's a developer phone so I'd look it up, but I highly doubt they would dissalow that on a google phone
@LucasKauffman As opposed to the malware your telco installed on the phone on purpose? =)
I googled around, and apparently I should have root access on any nexus s sold in canada. yay!
17:50
@Adrian yea, I'm working on an Android "datamining" tool, I heard from a guy here that ATnT actually modifies pieces of the kernel to get access to all your info.
@Basil I guess Canada has those pesky consumer protection laws that keep the poor small telecommunications businesses wearing rags and eating beans out of cans
@Joel Not really- it's only the nexus S. All other phones are as bad as yours. Also, we only have a couple of telcos, and they aren't very competitive.
@Joel nah they just make sure they do not rip people off like in the states :p
@Basil did you upgrade yours to ICS yet?
@LucasKauffman yeah, my ISP pushed it a few months ago
@LucasKauffman No surprise there. All those organizations would do that in a heartbeat if they can get away with it.
17:59
@Adrian they all do
So I found the hosts file, but it's read only
I wonder if I can telnet into my phone...
@Basil %&*(#&$*#^%&*#^ TELNET!
whatever. command line.
Man, I disappear for a bit and ya'll start talking smack
@Holocryptic how's it going ?
18:08
@Basil you can with the platform tools
@Holocryptic I'm sure somebody missed you.
you have a shell then
@ScottPack Yeah, depth perception sucks with an eyepatch.
@LucasKauffman Oh boy... virtualization.
Is it just me, or does everyone get the SE routine maintenance page when they connect to chat.SE.com page with https?
18:09
@Iain Not bad. On my work sabbatical. So it could be worse.
@84104 Tell me about it. Ever tried to play a minis game with an eyepatch?
@Holocryptic good to see ya.
@ScottPack You're such a pirate hooker
@LucasKauffman ESXi does have a firewall, but please tell me you have an option for a hardware firewall at the perimeter of the network.
@Adrian I currently also get that page.
18:09
@Adrian you toos
@Holocryptic Not me. The wife claims to be not at fault as well.
@ewwhite it's not production, just for my own playground, it's one of these boxes hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s
@ScottPack I just call em as I seem em, hooker
Well, ESXi does have a firewall... anyone else have an opinion?
@Holocryptic yarr
18:13
Now I want to watch T.J. Hooker
damn it
by default, ssh will be closed... the only things open will be 80, 427, 443, 902 and 8000...
Also, I miss CHiPS
@84104 Somebody I can send that up to?
@Holocryptic I miss Firefly.
11
Meeee too
18:17
@ScottPack Unable to star this sufficiently. Needs about 15 more. =(
I don't think they do full https
@Holocryptic They've whined about doing https a lot.
@ScottPack and I thought it was always shot down on grounds the overhead of maintaining that outweighed the benefits of implementing it
What is attempting RDP on my mail server every hour on the hour
18:31
@Joel YMV
I have no idea
@Joel is it a dog?
On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog
@Holocryptic Or that your balls on are the phone.
18:32
@ScottPack trooth
@Joel Just some friendly PoC exploit for the latest RDP vuln. technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms12-020
@jscott I was aware of the vulnerability
but all my shit is patched
HAH HAH HAH
@Holocryptic That's the most common complaint, yeah
@jscott Welcome to lunchtime on Friday.
@ScottPack Hey! It's been busy over here :)
I did say friendly PoC... It keeps testing, hourly, to ensure your stuff is still patched.
@jscott Tell me about it. Friday was eating at my desk followed by a busy afternoon.
18:35
@jscott I should send them a thank you card
> I know you're on hour 13 today and all, but I need 3 win servers staged up today.
I'm turning my phone off tomorrow.
@sysadmin1138 "I can't give you win servers, but I can hand off a few fail servers if that'll do."
so. tempted.
Ok, so the android s in canada is unlocked, but not rooted out the box :\
I hate not having root access to my phone, but I dont want to spend the time needed to root it, and have to remember to unroot it in the event that I need to get the hardware replaced...
I just changed from WinMobile to Android Gingerbread.... So don't hate if this is a noob question; what benefit would I get out of rooting my phone?
18:50
@ChrisS Usually just being able to install fun things like a VNC server on your phone or other apps that need su.
@ChrisS The benefit of having to come up with a plausible lie to tell the verizon techs if you brick your phone
@ChrisS If you're a lucky AT&T customer, you get the ability to use Amazon Apps and Google Voice Navigation.
Because they lock that crap.
@ChrisS Some applications require root in order to install or run. Also a good first step if you want to install a different build, such as Cyanogenmod.
@KyleSmith I was able to install the Amazon AppStore without rooting, as an AT&T customer.
@ScottPack What? Since when.
@KyleSmith Since @ScottPack is a douchecube.
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18:52
@KyleSmith Probably like November, I think. I didn't get the phone until October.
Maybe they re-visited their stupidity.
Used to not be able to enable third-party software sources (or whatever they call it).
Don't you guys love getting paid to poop
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I had to enable that option, since it was disabled by default, but it went on just fine. Sense running version 2.2.3, I think.
OIC. MetroPCS customer, so the Verizon and AT&T BS doesn't apply. VNC server, right, not going to happen =]. Cyanogenmod sounds like something that eats phones for breakfast, might have to look into it I guess.
@ChrisS I put it on mine, mostly because the Sense rom ate up battery like a fat girl at a buffet.
18:55
@Joel Where can I sign up?
"Hi, thank you for contacting HP Active Chat support. My name is Venture and I will be assisting you regarding your HP system."
Awesome. I totally wish my name was "Venture"
@ChrisS Is it an HTC?
@wfaulk I talked with an HP support agent who said his name was "Silver"
@ScottPack HTC Wildfire S
@WesleyDavid Hi-ho Silver! Away!
19:00
@ScottPack The battery does die pretty quickly, but so far it's mostly from me playing with the phone.... I'll easily go 36 hours if I don't screw with it too much. Checking the brackets however, that'll only last a couple hours and she's dead.
@ChrisS I had the problem that with "normal" usage, and leaving both wifi and data services, on it would take me about 12 hours to drop to 10-15%. Jumping to CM kept me at about 40-45% over the same timeframe and usage.
@ChrisS One of my buddies uses sense debloat rom from bamf. Apparently, it's just the HTC Sense rom but with a bunch of the bundled garbage taken out. He reports about the same increase in battery life that I did.
Hrm; might have to look into that as Cyanogenmod apparently doesn't support the Wildfire S.
@84104 Did the site-specific meta stuff get split from the network-wide stuff, yet? On m.SO, that is
I fucking hate javascript/jquery/css
@ChrisS My understanding is that out the box, you get almost everything you want. But if you want to mess with things under the cover or do things that wouldn't normally be supported on a smartphone, you need to root it. Case in point: install an adblocker or modify the hosts file.
19:10
@ChrisS The good thing is that since, it's still Sense, the look and feel is the same. You'll just be able to actually remote apps you don't want, and won't have all that garbage running in the background all the time.
@Adrian Not yet. That was me recopying the URL I got after going to meta.stackexchange.com
@MDMarra Aw, why?
@KyleSmith I'm in a jquery class and I'm not a web dev
WTB smart linux admins. Someone who doesn't need 2 months to set up multipathing in red hat
Also, it's the devil
19:12
@ScottPack Officially on my TODO list now.... Have to kill Metro's advertising service every time I reboot the phone. I shouldn't be surprised it's there, but still...
"I'm not a web dev"
Yet.
Nope
Not on my list of things to ever do
Do you have any idea how much easier I make my life by writing web tools to do shit for me?
I just wrote a Rails app to automate our SAN
@Basil This someone who claims they already know it, or someone who's trying to learn it on the job?
@ChrisS It'll probably void your warranty or whatever. So, you know. Blame yourself if it all goes wobbly.
19:13
@KyleSmith I tend to write native tools for that kind of stuff
@Adrian I don't know. It's the sysadmin for the NBU servers and he managed to get the kernels to panic when he installed powerpath.
@84104 Ah. Also, it annoys me that questions are marked as duplicate, but there's no link to the original.
In this case, I wanted to give it to.. uh.. less technical people.
@ScottPack It's a $89 phone (that's the unsubsidized price too).... Would be annoying, but not the first time I've bricked something.
@KyleSmith heh, I can see the appeal to a web interface then
19:14
He keeps having to go back to ask questions of the last guy who managed these servers, and he's just as bad.
I know they're both AIX pros, so it's probably just that they've not been trained on how Linux does things
@Basil Ah. I wish I knew more about SAN stuff. We're still totally on DAS here since NFS doesn't count.
@Adrian Multipath is a basic concept for most linux guys. AIX handles it on the VIOs, so they are insulated from that part :\
I don't agree with the decision to close this topic. I asked the question "How can I host Windows 2000 in a remote / virtualized environment?" This is not a shopping question. It is a "Can this be done" question. Not to mention that all the individuals responsible for closing the thread are Linux enthusiasts... I'm certain that had no influence. – JohnyD 11 mins ago
that last part lmao
@LucasKauffman link?
@MikeyB @TomOConnor Bunch of linux hippies!!
@KyleSmith u too!
19:27
@LucasKauffman damned hippies, ruining my paid-for systems
@LucasKauffman Less chat, more Q & A on the site. =]
make that Linux hugging! except u @voretaq7 you are a unix hugging hippie
@LucasKauffman No, even worse. BSD
Oooh, maybe I can hammer Basil for some SAN and storage answers...
19:31
@TylerShads BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War.
@Joel Coincidence?
@Joel commie software! the russians are spying on us
Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms.
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Q: RAID setup for maximizing data retention and read speed

cat pantsMy goals are simple: maximize data retention safety, and maximize read speeds. My first instinct is to do a a three drive software RAID 1. I have only used fakeraid RAID 1 in the past and it was terrible (would have led to data loss actually if it weren't for backups) Would you say software rai...

@ewwhite RAID 1 resulted into dataloss... what?
19:37
Yeah, no good.
@Basil help me uncover the secrets to storage optimization and tuning.
@LucasKauffman Probably ICHR8 softraid or something of the like
@ewwhite It all depends on the implementation of RAID. Honestly, on a server with local disks, I'm almost convinced that ZFS > RAID
Well, I have a number of storage situations to deal with, actually...
and some basic concepts to understand...
shoot
@Basil bang
19:39
(the storage version of "42" is "ssd")
My largest number of clients are tied to my old job in the warehousing/logistics industry. I have about 50 standalone Linux servers out there that run a proprietary ERP application
flat files with indexes... no structured database.
ok
@ewwhite RDBMSes are soooo inefficient
big unstructured data likes NAS
THese are all HP servers... Smart Array RAID controllers
RAID 1+0-
19:41
When configuring an iSCSI SAN, is it best to have Flow Control on for both transmit and receive?
the data is large... and the performance is a function of how quickly a file can be locked, read from/written to, and unlocked.
@MDMarra configuring the initiator or target?
Since the data is text, it compresses well...
like 80%
@ewwhite Are these servers on the same network? Or each at a different client?
@Basil Configuring the target at the moment, but in both cases
19:42
standalone, per client
@ewwhite We had a "DBA" like that once. Thought Paradox was the way of the future. Wanted to move us over to Delphi for the app client.
@ewwhite Your goal is performance, redundancy, or both?
so a typical big data file may be 20GB... of raw text... but compresses to 800MB
but the application has no compression facilities...
so my storage for now has been DAS, with wastefully-large files...
but if I go to NAS (eg, ZFS... compressed filesystem), I can save a load of space
whats going to be faster? DAS dealing with 400GB of huge text files... or NAS, iSCSI-attached, with 30GB of data on a compressed FS?
and this gets into how iSCSI works, too... iSCSI is only sending SCSI commands, right?
@MDMarra Well I'm not an iSCSI expert, but it looks like if you can make your targets aware of it, it'll help with the whole "non-duplex" problem on iSCSI
@ewwhite DAS with huge text files will be faster, probably. Especially for writes. iSCSI only sends scsi commands, which means the filesystem needs to be elsewhere.
right, but the 400GB of files on raw DAS disks really only consumes 30GB on a Nexenta/ZFS device.
19:47
@MDMarra MS Says Setting flow control is highly recommended and helps resolve in an efficient manner any imbalance in network traffic between sending and receiving devices (another best practice)
@Basil Yeah, I meant should flow control be on for transmit and receive
I've got it turned on (both Tx/Rx); but didn't benchmark on/off.
@ewwhite ZFS with compression will have the best possible level of performance and redundancy possible with the drives
@basil - so the other question about iSCSI is how much the size of the pipe matters.
this is more VMWare related...
@MDMarra I don't even know how it would work if half was off- my understanding it that it balances transmit and receive to maximize the pipe usage
19:48
@Basil hey, did anything happen with regards to that thing about blizzard?
@Basil I didn't think that it could be halfway, but these Lefthand P4500s let you select "auto/transmit only/receive only/both" which was weirding me out
@ewwhite 1GB will give you the same performance on anything that's read IO bound (as in workloads that do a lot of random small reads), however will become bound by the channel if you can get the disks moving faster than the pipe (caching, sequential IO, etc)
@MDMarra Could they be isolating transmit on one port?
@PeterGrace Which one? The NDA being lifted on the new expansion?
@Basil I don't think so. This is with an ALB bond
@Basil nah, whether or not you found who they use for their advertising clearinghouse
@MDMarra Well I am basically trying to figure this out at the same time as you... I haven't done a whole lot with iSCSI. My first instinct would be to put them both on, test it, and if it looks ok, move on to other problems :)
19:50
As long as the answer wasn't OMG, TRANSMIT ONLY!!!!111one11!!!, I think I'm fine with it on in both directions
It really only matters when frames would be discarded because of congestion anyway, afaik.
@MDMarra You might want to check with someone who has a better iSCSI background to be 100% sure though
@PeterGrace Oh, I didn't get an answer back yet. I'll ping them again;
Yeah, this is still a while away from prod. I have plenty of time to benchmark/reconfigure/bench again, etc
@Basil thanks bud
@MDMarra I'd be curious to know what you find :)
@Basil btw, 65.
19:52
thanks for the input, im out of here
@PeterGrace no problem
@PeterGrace almost retirement age? :P
@Basil did I mention earlier some smackedass paladin on Moon Guard was trying to teach me how to heal in an instance last night?
I wish I had something that I could point to that says "Been healing as a priest since 2004"
There should be a title or something
Haha "Petehealsyou the EXTREMELY PATIENT"
@LucasKauffman (just got back) Yeah... I think I typed a response to that 3 times then decided to walk away. If someone posted "Where can I host Caldera Linux in a virtual environment." I'd like to think I'd have the same response...
19:56
I was considering using that one, but then realized it would make me hate the game. Then I considered getting "the insane", but it would counter the image I've cultivated. I ended up deciding to use nothing, and continue completely ignoring almost any part of the game that's vanity only.
Sam
Sam
Evening all
Oh God, I just accidently ignored @PeterGrace by mis-clicking. Halp!
MUAHAHAHAHAH
Now, what bad things can I say about Kyle...
Nothing since he's the new guy, I guess
Can someone please tell him he can click on his avatar, then click user profile, then click prefs to unignore me
Is he still visible in the room window?
OK, meeting, back in a bit
19:59
Ah found it.
And it brings back all the bad things you said while I was gone :-)
@KyleSmith Ooooooo!
I just realized that all my favorite sales people are the weirdest people I know.
@ChrisS We have product! It does the good stuff! You must buy!
@84104 You give me money now, product comes in 2 weeks
@84104 Nope; not a single one of my favorites are pushy; they're all just half-crazy, and likely half-stoned.
20:04
@ChrisS You have... favorite salespeople?
I have 7 missed calls.
@KyleSmith Heck yeah; they get me awesome deals on the stuff I want.
@ChrisS Fine. s/!/./g
With proper escaping and stuff.
Anyone know if Dell puts out bootable DVDs that can upgrade all the firmware(s) on a server?
HP does ;)
Firmware is a good topic. I notice that many Dell admins never touch firmware.
and HP people are used to having to constantly check it.
well... i prefer my new esxi deployments to at least be consistent, i've 4 different bios versions here :)
20:19
and you can't run them from the OS because it's ESXi...
interesting... there should be a DVD
I know there is a DVD to do the installs/formatting, just don't know if it can do firmwares and whatnot. Guess I'll find out when I start digging
Dell was just in my building talking about their new OpenManage Enterprise Something Something. I guess it's a free tool that will do Firmware, Remote Access, etc. for all your DRACs
Also talking about their new R series systems. R820s can have 1.5 TB of RAM.
::drools::
But it's still a Dell ;)
@ewwhite what have you got against Dell ?
Yeah, they're not great. But, they're not bad.
20:24
(actually, i don't mind dell that much... But I always felt like they were less polished than HP)
Hardware consistency is something that's frusterating, but I guess that's what they're marketing.
and I get HP for much less than Dell... so never had a real reason
We're all HP for all the same reasons...
Every time Dell comes in with a low price we turn it over to HP and they beat it. =]
our univsersity has I think a 50%-70% with dell
I like Dell from that standpoint; competition -> lower prices
20:26
We're a Dell reseller... have to deal with their stuff alot
exactly
We've been a Dell shop since before I started.
will have to look into openmanage enterprise
bet that only works with the iDRAC7 though
20:27
He did say it works with older stuff.
(YMMV, this was a sales guy)
k... I'll ping my contacts about it, might save me some time
If you happen to think of it, let me know how it works out.
I'd be curious.
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Q: Active Directory Mapped Drive won't stay connected

DavidWinSrv08R2. I have a drive mapped to Win7 clients via Group Policy that's on another computer (an OS X server, mapped via "\serverIP\folder"). EVERY time the user logs out and then back in, it pops up "Could not reconnect all network drives", except the two other mapped drives (from the Srv08 mac...

Is that ever going to work reliably?
Apple uses their own build of SMB...
it ought to, doesn't mean it's going to
I wasn't even worried about the OS X SMB layer, I've seen issues with mapped drive reliability in Windows forever. We just upgraded to 2008 DC's and we still get user complaints weekly.
OMFG
Facebook just sent me an email indicating that an old friend updated his status page. In fact, the status update was my update from yesterday. My friend died almost 2 years ago, I doubt he's having problems with the accesory circuit in a truck.
20:48
@Adrian that must have been scary
@LucasKauffman A bit irritating. And perhaps this continuous release stuff isn't all that and a bag of chips??? =)
@Adrian I block all messages from fb

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