The Comms Room

Lucas Kauffman

13:00

@ChrisS hahahaha

Bart Silverstrim

Make it so!

Chris S

I have to send out reminds quarterly apparently that Jean-Luc Picard and James Tiberius Kirk are my test users...

Bart Silverstrim

Just ignore their messages.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS I had the same with a special user I put into sudo when stuff borked called icoe

Bart Silverstrim

Or send an email from jlpicard telling them not to harass him anymore or he'll report them to HR.

Lucas Kauffman

13:02

they didn't know that it meant In Case Of Emergency

Bart De Vos

@ChrisS :Same problem here. Ours is called Bob The Builder

Bart Silverstrim

I didn't know it meant in case of emergency.

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim perfect

Bart Silverstrim

I propose that today is @kylebrandt's birthday. Does that have to be voted on?

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Chris S

@BartDeVos I guess that one should be a bit more obvious... I figured people might be smart enough to Google the name before reporting it, no so much.

TylerShads

13:03

@BartSilverstrim If that reaches 5 starts, then it is!

Peter Grace

Chris S

@LucasKauffman Here we more commonly abbreviate it as ICE.

Lucas Kauffman

@BartDeVos best name ever

Peter Grace

@LucasKauffman I am at the blue arrow, my car is at the green arrow, my house is at the red arrow.

Chris S

@PeterGrace -1 Not drawn in MS Paint; also, no labels....

Bart Silverstrim

13:04

You left your car in Jersey? Brave man.

TylerShads

@PeterGrace your green arrow is encasing my house, I take offense to that.

Bart Silverstrim

More upvotes for Kyle's birthday!

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tombull89

heh - who changed the room description?

Bart Silverstrim

@TylerShads He works with devs. That means he encapsulated it.

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim Why don't you just ask him when his birthday really is??

TylerShads

13:05

@BartSilverstrim ahhh

room topic changed to The Comms Room: This is *NOT a place for 'Live Support', ask on the main site. You came in here for an argument? Oh I'm sorry - this is abuse! I didn't change it. [effing-markdown]*

Bart Silverstrim

@ChrisS Because if he's in the office today, it's a special day. So it's his birthday. And if it's not, we'll make it his birthday.

Chris S

@tombull89 I don't know, but we should make it a requirement that you get the joke before you're allowed in the room. =]

Lucas Kauffman

VTC: serverfault.com/questions/371533/…

tombull89

But...you just did...

@LucasKauffman derp derp

Jeff Ferland

@PeterGrace Raise your conntrack buffers? antmeetspenguin.blogspot.com/2011/01/…

Peter Grace

13:08

@JeffFerland they're already tweaked pretty high and @KyleBrandt watches 'em like a hawk.

@TylerShads how far are you from hamilton/lawrenceville?

TylerShads

@PeterGrace tell @kyleBrandt that we all said happy birthday

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Peter Grace

@TylerShads lol, it isn't his birthday.

Bart Silverstrim

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! YAYS!

Peter Grace

He was in here when the joke happened though.

Bart Silverstrim

Joke?

Peter Grace

13:09

Like, in my office, looking at my screen.

He chortled.

TylerShads

@PeterGrace 30 min north of me

Peter Grace

@TylerShads you should come to the NJ-LOPSA meetings

TylerShads

@PeterGrace he thinks his birthday is a joke? That's so said, we should make him a cake!

@PeterGrace Critical hit, its super-effective!

And be made fun of by actual sysadmins?

Peter Grace

haha

Bart Silverstrim

This guy sounds like a kid with a hobby project.

0

Q: Deciding to use VM or native install for new hardware

I have a Ubuntu 10.10 installation running on hardware. I upgraded the hardware, and am planning to move the system over. Whilst reading the many various ways to do this, I came across tools for making a virtual machine out of a hardware installation. I think this might make managing my server ea...

Peter Grace

13:11

I'd protect ya.

Bart Silverstrim

...says the guy that can't remember his phone.

TylerShads

@PeterGrace Considering you have guns, that's actually reassuring

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim Quiet, You.

Bart Silverstrim

And almost fell off the train platform.

stretching

Peter Grace

You know what

You no longer win those DVDs

Bart Silverstrim

13:12

Into a train? You never said that.

That wouldn't be very nice.

Peter Grace

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR

Bart Silverstrim

If there were a train between you and the other offices, I'd be protected from you tattling on me.

TylerShads

I can always count on you guys making me laugh like a fool at my desk, furthering my co-workers thoughts of me being a crazy psychopath

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Bart Silverstrim

Yeah, because the fingernail scratches on the wall and goth posters do nothing for the image portrayed around your desk.

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim ....HOW DID YOU KNOW

Bart Silverstrim

13:15

Webcam.

TylerShads

THats why the light was on...

Bart Silverstrim

I made a gui to track your IP and hack your firewalls to view the camera.

TylerShads

overacheiver

Bart Silverstrim

I saw what you were viewing to make a gui at your desk...eww.

TylerShads

shrug no shame

Bart Silverstrim

13:17

At least point the webcam higher next time.

TylerShads

@BartSilverstrim Why? Not my fault I enforce an NPZ in my office

Bart Silverstrim

Speaking of unspeakable acts, where is @holocryptic? Did his kidneys explode?

TylerShads

I hope not, I actually like the guy

Bart Silverstrim

I don't remember seeing him for awhile.

Think he's been on the Twittah's. Maybe @voretaq7 would remember better.

tombull89

@PeterGrace - have ye any thought about the facebook/SE partnership? Seems SE have got the raw end of the deal.

Peter Grace

13:21

I don't know too much about it, to be honest. I only hear it sort of peripherally

Bart Silverstrim

@tombull89: how'd they get the raw end?

Peter Grace

We do so much here and have so many balls in the air that no one project really affects the company mood

TylerShads

@PeterGrace hahahah...balls

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Peter Grace

snort

Bart Silverstrim

Great. Now's I'm thinking they do that there too as a company perk.

Peter Grace

13:22

One thing I gotta say about working at SE: Soft Batch cookies.

Bart Silverstrim

YOU'RE A DIABETIC. Stay away from the cookies.

Peter Grace

OM NOM NOM

@BartSilverstrim OH WHATEVER, THE METFORMIN WILL PROTECT MEEE!!!

tombull89

@BartSilverstrim facebook seem to have washed their hands of supporting the SE community (for the most part).

Didn't SE have air wol-air sharks too?

TylerShads

@PeterGrace Are they like chewy chips ahoy?

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace INTERVENTION TIME!

Peter Grace

13:24

@TylerShads imagine those, but more chemical-tasting. Like, addictive chemical tasting.

Bart Silverstrim

@PeterGrace You're going to fucking die and it'll be your own fault.

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman See, @PeterGrace made a ball joke that NOONE could flag

Peter Grace

Sorta like the little debbie strawberry roll snacks

TylerShads

@PeterGrace ehhh, ill stick with chips ahoi, they have chewy CHOCOLATE CHIP OATMEAL BITCHES

Peter Grace

hahaha yum

@BartSilverstrim I think my sugars were really low this morning; I was feeling extremely tired.

Bart Silverstrim

13:25

Uh-huh.

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim my first class is on 3/31!

Bart Silverstrim

diabetes class?

TylerShads

talk about a derp moment...i switch the numbers in my router's IP and then wonder why the network is down...

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim Yep.

Bart Silverstrim

Here's a tip. Stop eating so much sugar. Then they'll tell you to cut the carbs. Generally, if you like the food, they'll tell you to cut it.

TylerShads

13:26

@BartSilverstrim So, I should start eating lettuce salad?

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads you should start drinking!

Bart Silverstrim

Then they tell you you're a fatass and shouldn't be allowed to live, so they take everything worth living for out of your life. Or maybe that's just what they did to me.

Peter Grace

@Bart I think I'm in a bit of a different boat because I exercise a lot now.

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman Even alcohol is supposed to be limited. I mean, only reason to get up in the morning and the medicine to get through the workday, and they go all anti-Tony-Stark on ya. I know, right?!

@PeterGrace You work in New York and commute partially from Jersey. Running from muggers is only peripherally classified as exercise.

Peter Grace

I drank the other weekend while on Metformin. It's not a good idea.

Lucas Kauffman

13:28

@PeterGrace what's metmorfin?

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim Yeah, but I really work on my arm strength when I have to climb back up on the train platform after falling off.

@LucasKauffman diabetes drug.

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman one step below needing insulin shots to regulate blood sugar.

Actually two, there's a syringe of byetta they can try in conjunction with metformin too.

tombull89

"I know, I'll have a quick look at the iLO2 documentation, there can't be that mu-OMGWTFBBQ 200+pages? bollocks."

Peter Grace

Bart's trying to scare tactic me into mending my ways

Bart Silverstrim

@PeterGrace ? Why would I do that?

I barely know you.

Hell, I'll probably die before you do.

Peter Grace

13:31

@Bart You're older than me too, aren't ya?

Bart Silverstrim

AFRIN PAIN WAKES ME UP

I think I'm 33 or 34.

Peter Grace

Ah, you're not as old as I thought.

Bart Silverstrim

34. 35 this year. Math and sh!t...gets you every time.

Great. That's even more depressing.

Peter Grace

hahaha

You'll die 5 years sooner than me.

Bart Silverstrim

That's like half my productive life gone, and not much to show for it.

Peter Grace

13:33

I'll be sure to spend those 5 years enjoying those things you left behind.

Bart Silverstrim

Might as well crawl into a hole and die now.

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman I don't drink

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim dibs on your flatscreen

@TylerShads good reason to start!

Bart Silverstrim

Like what? You can't even remember your phone from your car.

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim stop being a debbie downer. Life's fucking awesome!

Bart Silverstrim

13:34

You'll be lucky if it's still there when you get back to jersey.

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim the thought has crossed my mind. Luckily, it's a secure lot.

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads you'll be a drunken psycho

Peter Grace

Well, garage.

Lucas Kauffman

all you need to do then is snorting coke and you'll be this guy:

Bart Silverstrim

Uh-huh. "secure."

Lucas Kauffman

13:34

Bart Silverstrim

Meth. Meth gives you energy.

Peter Grace

I want more cookies.

Dammit bart.

Bart Silverstrim

I could try sending you a toy train for George to set up in front of your office door, then you won't be able to cross it.

No more temptation.

You'll just stand there at the threshold looking all pitiful, mewling like a kitten while the sales people giggle and dangle cookies out of reach.

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim LOL.

Bart Silverstrim

I'm confused...does he have more than one NIC?

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Q: How to utilise netstat information

We have an application named "Seamer" installed on 2008R2 machine named "R2DUO" which has IP address set as 192.61.247.37 in host file and 172.26.127.40 is IP address of Ethernet card .We have two more systems in the LAN named R2TMBER and R2LEAF. One functionality should be achieved when there is...

windows-server-2008 ip tcp netstat

Sounds almost like he has an IP set on the server that doesn't match the network he's on with the NIC.

Chris S

13:45

The Biggby 100oz; $29.99 for any Latte or related drink (mug in price), and $21.99 refill. $19.99 for coffee; $13.99 coffee refill.

Peter Grace

hahahaha WHAT

I wonder how long it'd take to make a 100oz latte

Lucas Kauffman

3 liter coffee o.O?

Peter Grace

assuming you can pull 4 shots at once from a machine and given a shot is 1oz. Assuming double shots, that's 2oz at a time * 4 is 8oz, you'd need to cycle the machine 8 times for 64oz of espresso

my guess is they don't actually do that.

Chris S

You can also get a 300oz but they don't have the price hanging on the sign and I was too sheepish to ask how much a 300oz latte would cost. It does warn that you have to call ahead though.

Peter Grace

Where is this place?

100oz coffee I can understand

some people can drink that much coffee

but drinking a 100oz cappucino? That'd kill you.

Chris S

13:49

@PeterGrace The standard for a latte is 2oz espresso per 8oz milk; so you'd need 10 pulls to fill that thing.

MikeyB

So, this morning, 8AM:
*emergency call comes in*
*calls customer back…*
"Hello, what do you need?"
"We need help activating Fred's Blackberry - he got a replacement after his previous one blew up."
*in my head: Well, I wouldn't pay time and a half for an emergency call on this, but it's your dime :p *
(this certainly wasn't an emergency for them, either)

Peter Grace

hahaha

Chris S

@PeterGrace That's the equivalent of ~20 cups normal coffee; long way from the ~100-150 required to kill.

Bart Silverstrim

Peter has a habit of drinking while walking on the train platform...it would kill him with a cup that big.

sysadmin1138

Still working. So far, ~4 hours of naps.

Finally making the vendor call I wanted to make.

Lucas Kauffman

13:54

@sysadmin1138 what u gonna buy?

sysadmin1138

That assumes I get extra for working above and beyond. By now I'm sure of the $50 unsolicited peer award.

Or, 3 new disk drives.

To breplace the failed ones.

Lucas Kauffman

serverfault.com/questions/293217/…

what does he want? I posted that ages ago

tombull89

@LucasKauffman 1045 upvotes...and 1045 favourites? really? o.O

Kenny Rasschaert

that has to be a bug...

Chris S

@LucasKauffman I think he's asking if any systems have ever stored passwords in plaintext; which is a resounding yes, lots of poorly designed systems have.

Lucas Kauffman

14:02

or they use something almost as crappy like MD4

Chris S

The security vulnerabilities in MD4 and MD5 are slightly exaggerated. If you have reasonable limits on how long a password can be, it's salted, and didn't pick a dictionary word, it'll still take thousands of hours of compute time to crack. That is NOT to say it can't reasonably be done, but someone is going to spend a good chunk of time (or rent a handful of EC2 instances) to crack it.

Kenny Rasschaert

Did you guys hear about the new NSA data center?

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS I did that stuff for school once with 2 460 GTX, went pretty fast for 8 character passwords :p

@KennyRasschaert what about it?

Kenny Rasschaert

wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter

Chris S

@LucasKauffman We require 12 characters for our "admin" people here, and I use 16-20 character passwords for websites and such.

MikeyB

14:09

ARGGHH DUDE… Just set up the freakin' IMM (iLO for you HP types) on these bloody servers so we have remote power control and don't have to go through your shitty Raritan.

Sorry guys, you're getting my ranting this morning.

Bart Silverstrim

@KennyRasschaert read about it.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS don't think it would take weeks rather a day or 2 :p

imagine what you could do if you have 4 or more of those cards clustered

voretaq7

@ScottPack In the grand tradition of buck-passing, I blame @PeterGrace's rolly chair.

Lucas Kauffman

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120320071148AACF8Ci

this guy obviously just has a cold

but I thought let's dramatize a bit

tombull89

@LucasKauffman You'd get through the average teen's facebook password in no time at all...not sure why you'd want to though.

Lucas Kauffman

14:14

@tombull89 if I wanted their password I'd just sniff the wifi, it's not like the little bastards know how https works

Kenny Rasschaert

@tombull89 spam?

tombull89

@LucasKauffman nah, it's Lupus.

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman pretty sure it's the lung cancer.

tombull89

@LucasKauffman true - or plain social engineering. It's easy. Scarily easy.

Lucas Kauffman

@tombull89 It's never lupus!

voretaq7

14:16

9 out of 10 ponies agree: It's Not Lupus.

tombull89

This time, it is.

Bart Silverstrim

answers.yahoo.com/question/…

try that one.

Cold T

wth lol

Adrian

@BartSilverstrim Buncha freaks on there. =/

Lucas Kauffman

@BartSilverstrim answered

@Adrian If you want to loose your hope in humanity, just spend like 15 minutes on there

Adrian

14:22

@LucasKauffman Ick. I think I'll pass. Working in homeless services at least has a little bit of redemption in it.

Bart Silverstrim

@LucasKauffman I nearly laughed aloud reading that...

MikeyB

My current call: "If I trigger an NMI, will that help?" Wait, what??? "Because we're having trouble with the RAID card right and the NMI is a hardware event."

This guy is in no danger of being able to do his job correctly.

Adrian

Just smart enough to be dangerous?

Bart Silverstrim

The star comment to tell Kyle Brandt happy birthday has reached 5 stars. This makes today his birthday by proxy. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Now we sing songs and drink heavily until server alarms go off.

MikeyB

I think I managed to find a way to ask "what the fuck are you thinking" without insulting him. "What do you hope to accomplish by triggering an NMI?"

Cold T

14:29

lol

Adrian

@MikeyB That one works well for me. When I have the patience to use it before the 'WHAT????' comes out first.

Cold T

@MikeyB better yet, why don't you go have fun yourself and throw it out the window along with him!

MikeyB

I'll have to ask my mechanic: "So next time I'm low on gas, would it help if I inflated the tires?"

Adrian

Ours the other day was good. Ticket requesting that we provide software for merging documents into a single PDF. Apparently they felt that Adobe Acrobat was not sufficient for this task.

Chris S

@LucasKauffman MD5 Hash is "80bd7a066b1eb1215c32924b3a98982b", Salt is "z!nGs#m]D_w8we5%". Algorithm is md5(md5($salt).md5($pass)). Let me know when you've cracked it. =]

Lucas Kauffman

14:32

@ChrisS MD4 not MD5 :P

TylerShads

@ChrisS Done, I'll take my millions now (everyone knows your password is "Bronies4remybestfr!ends")

tombull89

@ChrisS so it's not hunter2?

Chris S

@LucasKauffman Ok, same salt and password, but md4 hash: "c43d32eaa4db2fc82ac9bb2c489dc8b5"

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS boo

I'm off to the gym, c u guys later :)

Chris S

@tombull89 I'm sorry Tom, I'm afraid I can't do that.

TylerShads

14:36

@ChrisS Shit, he's started singing Daisy Bell.

Chris S

@TylerShads The what? That was a HAL quote.... figured it was the best I could do to go with the IRC password reference. =]

TylerShads

>In the 1968 film 2001: A Space Odyssey the evil intelligent HAL 9000 computer during its deactivation loses its mind and degenerates to singing "Daisy"

Chris S

bash.org/?quote=244321

TylerShads

@ChrisS I know that one.

Chris S

@TylerShads Yikes, must be time to watch it again... =/

@TylerShads I figured; but it's always good for a laugh.

TylerShads

14:39

@ChrisS You can thank Mass Effect 2 for that one >.>

Adrian

@ChrisS Fantastic. =)

Chris S

I'm still stuck on MW3; up to level 50 now.

TylerShads

>When EDI suggests giving her control of the ship to escape the Collectors, Joker tells her "If you start singing 'Daisy Bell' I'm done!" This is a reference to the last moments of the homicidal HAL computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey

Kenny Rasschaert

the motherboard on my gaming rig is dead, and i'm too lazy to send it in rma

i keep putting it off

on the plus side, i haven't been this productive in the evenings for a long time

Chris S

My old gaming rig is laying in a pile in the basement; I finally gave up the $200/mo chase for an elite rig and games to play... Now I've got a Wii and limit myself to 1 game per 4 months.

Bart Silverstrim

14:44

@petergrace what did you do to mitigate the ddos or did you entirely leave it to your upstream provider to throttle it?

Cold T

15:02

guess everyone is back to work, can almost hear the wind blowing here :s

Basil

@ChrisS I built a blazing rig for 900$

@ColdT It's more of a draft of hot air, and probably my fault.

Peter Grace

@BartSilverstrim this time around we're not sure if it's a syn flood. Shit's just getting ill.

@BartSilverstrim incidentally, 29,000 people are on stackoverflow! :)

Chris S

@Basil I'd rather not think about how much I've spent on rigs over the years... Certainly enough to buy a low end car.

voretaq7

loading flags.....

Basil

@ChrisS I keep one upgraded. But I never invest in bleeding edge processors- that saves me quite a chunk. I get the processor with the smallest manufacturing die size I can for 250$ and go from there

voretaq7

15:05

and by the time it finishes they're gone

smacks chat

Peter Grace

@Basil Some douchey paladin from Moon Guard was trying to tell me how to heal last night. It was amusing.

Jeff Ferland

@Basil I suspect most folks buying processors don't graph speed vs. cost

Bart Silverstrim

@petergrace you should do a writeup on it.

Handling the ddos attacks.

Basil

@JeffFerland The only benchmark I care about is performance/cost :D

@PeterGrace You should have replied to everything he said with "[name]'s message has been filtered because he's from a RP server. Lolrp."

Chris S

@Basil That's what I've always done; usually the graphics card is 50% of the cost of the system though; CPU is rarely the bottleneck still.

Basil

15:09

@JeffFerland I invested 200$ on an SSD, 100 on a large platter drive, 300$ on a mobo/proc combo, and 300 for the rest (not including a video card- I reused an old one)

@ChrisS The 150$ video cards out now are as good as the 1000$ ones from last year

Again, it's all about the manufacturing die size.

and the number of resources

Chris S

True... I can't say I miss dumping all that money down the drain... life priorities and all.

tombull89

Interesting. Apparently my new Gravatar has transparent areas which gets picked up by chat.

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Kenny Rasschaert

it's an Australian like!

TylerShads

@tombull89 complaints go to the complaint department, which is located at the center of the memory hole.

Scott Pack

15:44

@voretaq7 Meh. So long as the blame is someone elses' I couldn't really care less.

voretaq7

@TylerShads we have a complaints department?

TylerShads

@voretaq7 So I'm told.

Tom O'Connor

16:21

I'm so tired of this.

cheapskates really take it out of me.

84104

16:32

So there is a difference between /etc/sasl2/smtp.conf and /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf

At least I was the one to find it.

Test early. Test often.

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Lucas Kauffman

Sometimes I feel that the only difference between me and the OP is that I can paste his question in google.

3

voretaq7

16:49

@TomOConnor who is being a cheap bastard?

Tom O'Connor

@voretaq7 $employer

Lucas Kauffman

@TomOConnor what doesn't he want to buy you?

or is this still about the routers :p?

voretaq7

@LucasKauffman rooters?

Tom O'Connor

@LucasKauffman Active Directory servers this time. I'm battling pGina (reminds me of vagina)

and samba

and doing it generally the cheap way

because apparently it's gotta be possible.

Lucas Kauffman

@TomOConnor p III with 512 mb of memory?

Tom O'Connor

16:55

I just feel like i'm personally battling ballmer on this one.

Lucas Kauffman

DEVELOPERS

Tom O'Connor

@LucasKauffman Might as fucking well be.

voretaq7

@LucasKauffman Developers Developers Developers?

Lucas Kauffman

indeed :p

I want to play a game with you guys, I want you to think of any antivirus. Preferably your favorite!

TylerShads

Anyone ever heard of eset antivirus thingie?

Lucas Kauffman

16:57

When you have that AV in your mind

Read this: seclists.org/bugtraq/2012/Mar/88

@TylerShads yea, the make nod32 no ?

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman yah, a guy in the office suggested it to me for our antivirus, wanted to see if it was worth a look.

Lucas Kauffman

@TylerShads I'm in love with kaspersky, but if I didn't have kaspersky I would probably use NOD32, I have a few friends who swear by it

TylerShads

@LucasKauffman Its a small place [read: 30 total machines, 10 in a remote office] so would that be overkill for it?

Adrian

Note to self: coffee cup does not get set on server. Even if padawan's left a coaster there...

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