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I don't think I could ever dispense as much comeuppance as him and not have serious karma burns
Well, I flagged it as inappropriate. I frankly don't care if he gives accurate answers. He's only making people upset and driving people away from the site.
@ErikA link?
I was as bitter as TomTom at one point. Got rid of the now Ex and I'm a much more cheery individual.
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A: Hosting server's harddisk crashed

TomTom All my data in this 6 years is gone and they will just extend the hosting expired date to another 90 days That is very generous of them. Seriously. Is there any other way to retrieve the data from the crashed harddisk? Get the disc, send it to a recovery lab. Cost is some US$ PER GIG...

15:03
The social workers must be wearing off on me. Now I wanna buy him a beer and make sure he's ok
I doubt i'll ever have to put up with anyone ever as unpleasant as my second language teacher
@JourneymanGeek I think that maybe he needs to meet your second language teacher
@MDMarra: No one deserves that
She was totally unpleasant, and everyone who had any sense hated her
posted on March 01, 2012 by Wesley David

While working on a Linux machine, you will very likely have a “What the heck just happened and who the heck just did it?” moment. This is when you’ll want to quickly see who’s currently logged in. Before you go any further, you should acquaint yourself with the concept of a utmp file (possibly also known as the utmpx file). A utmp file keeps track of currently logged on

Love this site, it tell you about lots of people who've died etc. from following alternative medical bullshit - quite interesting; whatstheharm.net
15:12
@Chopper3 Hah, dude got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin: whatstheharm.net/moonlandingdenial.html
@MDMarra Sounds like a tour of duty in purgatory.
@pfo re: PowerShell, I was talking with my riding buddy about it over the holidays. Sounds like a seriously kickass tool.
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@JourneymanGeek Same one as me? Even my dad called her a bitch after one parents evening
@ErikA An old high school classmate met him a couple years ago and she thought he was pretty great guy.
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@Adrian Which one, the dickhead or the hero?
@Adrian I'd love to meet him as well.
15:21
@Dan Aldrin. I've no time nor patience for dickheads. I can meet any number of hipster wacko dickheads just by taking a walk around the block.
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@Adrian :D
I hear that the hipster infection has spread to other cities, eh? I was hoping it was just here in Seattle and hadn't gotten past the cordon yet.
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Time to get the chainsaw out
@Dan Other teachers hated her ;p
donno, unless you took tamil at ACS Barker ;p
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15:26
@JourneymanGeek I didn't, but she was that fat it's possible she taught both of us :D
The dude with the TigerVNC question apparently just figured out that the feature set he wants to use isn't part of the standard TigerVNC release. So he decides to take it out on me. WTFever dude. Nobody touched your question for a week and you'll get nothing more from me.
lol. possible then ;p
@Iain @PeterGrace (or any other mods) - would one of you be able to help this guy get his account sorted out: serverfault.com/questions/365321/…
imho, I've been the model of professionalism here. serverfault.com/a/364359/73435
At least compared to TomTom. =D
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Perhaps he'd like a full refund of the charges for consultancy
15:30
What the heck, I turn my back for 2 hours and TomTom's running amok!
@ErikA I actually had a similar issue like that on movies. Wonder if it is a weird network bug
16:03
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Q: Documenting server details

AngeloThis could be a very naive question for many of you, but I have problem in answering this one, your help will be deeply appreciated. I need to document the server on which I work, and it should include following heads: IP address -> Model-> (Dell....) CPU->(@X Quad-core ....) RAM->(48GB...) A...

oh for the love of kittens
I'm rep-capped already
where's @WesleyDavid I need to kick something :)
What?
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A: Why is "chmod -R 777 /" destructive?

voretaq7First of all, chmod doesn't REMOVE permissions. It CHANGES them. The mode 777 means "Anyone can read, write or execute this file" - You have given permission for anyone to do (effectively) whatever the heck they want. Now, why is this bad? You've just let everyone read/modify every file on you...

that rep-capped me 3 days in a row
@voretaq7 surprisingly, it wasn't me that kicked him this time!
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16:12
Oops
@voretaq7 Trololololol.
@tombull89 trolled by the calendar!
@voretaq7 Be fair, no-one could possibly have seen the leap year coming, I mean, like how often do they happen?
@SmallClanger I know, right?!? So Unpredictable, sneaking up on poor innocent programmers!
16:25
@voretaq7 I'd missed that, I'll wait until tomorrow to up it
I have a mental image of their devs sacrificing virgins to make sure the sun comes up on time.
@Chopper3 meh, doesn't matter. I'm just boggling at the fact that that gets so many votes
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@SmallClanger Can you technically sacrifice yourself?
I think the question got pulled into the SF newsletter though
@Dan yes, but you lose the game.
unless your god REALLY looks upon you favorably, then maybe the amulet will appear on the altar and you'll live.
One epic day, two epic blogposts. http://tomoconnor.eu/blogish/hacking-initrdgz-ubuntu-netboot-installer/ http://tomoconnor.eu/blogish/building-dkms-package-latest-intel-e1000e-driver/ initrd, kernel, dkms. It's all there. #devops.
Today was EPIC.
EPIC!
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16:32
Geek
@TomOConnor Extremely Poor IRC Client?
Do you need a separate VLAN or Port Group for vMotion traffic, or can you use the same NIC team and VLAN for vMotion and Management traffic?
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@MDMarra It'll work on the same, but I'd personally seperate them into seperate VLAN's at least. Don't think there's a real need for seperate physical NICs as long as they're decent, unless you have the capacity to spare
Separate them onto separate physical NICs, or just separate port groups/VLANs?
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Hah, see my edit!
16:38
haha
What's the benefit to that? Does vMotion really clobber the interface or something?
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Pretty sure that's the 'best practice' method
yeah
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I've always assumed it does when it needs to, it's also fairly important traffic. Other than that, I've not looked into it a great deal
It's decently heavy traffic when it's running, but nothing crazy.
Right now I'm planning a deployment where the cluster has 6 NICs. 2 for iSCSI, 2 for VM data, and 2 for management/vmotion
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16:40
Seems fine to me
Yeah, that should be plenty - just split vmotion to its own vlan on the management NICs
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Another way to look at is that there's very little downside in VLANing it off now, but it'll be very difficult to do in the future should you need to implement traffic management or something
So it's best practice to team the two management NICs, but separate vMotion traffic from the management traffic via VLANs and port groups?
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@MDMarra Yes, that's my interpretation.
got it
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16:41
(But only mine, I'm not exactly an authority)
@ShaneMadden seems to agree with you as well
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You keep your physical redundancy that way
I just don't really understand the benefit of having a separate vMotion VLAN
I think VMware would probably tell you MOAR NICS and give vMotion dedicated interfaces - but what you're planning has worked just fine in my experience.
I guess that's basically what I was asking
If all the traffic is going over the same NICs anyway, and it's already going to be on a management VLAN, what's another VLAN for just vMotion going to get me?
16:47
hello - was away, missed all this vmw fun - what's the question again? was it basically can/does vMotion fuck over a 1Gbps NIC? if so then yeppers, it'll use as much bandwidth as it can, in fact v5 allows you to properly use two or more NICs for vMotion if you want for just this reason - though personally I'm a fan of using 10Gbps NICs but that's 'cos I'm flash
It works either way, really. I'm not a huge fan of mixing it in with the "normal" traffic, but it works just fine.
me neither Shane, it can swamp 'regular' VM-originated traffic on a single GigE link easily
@Chopper3 you and your fancy multi-gigabit links. Back in my day we were happy with 10Mbit hubs. HUBS I say!
@Chopper3 He's got a distinct set of 2 NICs for management and vmotion - the question now is whether or why to split vmotion traffic to a different vmkernel port and vlan from the management traffic.
@voretaq7 me too - I still know 4Gbps Token-Ring pretty well
16:50
Too much?
@ShaneMadden I would if possible -- You don't want your vmotion traffic killing your management link (since you probably want to send management commands to a machine that is moving its workload around :)
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Q: Fiber channel enclosure doesn't restart - MSA60

Bertrand SCHITSI just inherited a HP StorageWorks MSA60 (this is a fiber channel SAN enclosure). I had to move it to another shelf so I turned off the computer which was using it. I also pulled the 2 power cords off the MSA60 (no power button, so the only option was to disconnect from main power). Once the d...

@ewwhite ...or not enough
also it looks like I'm growing my unix beard back.
@ShaneMadden ah right, that's daft really - unless you have a good reason to do differently then I always run management and vmotion on the same NIC/VLAN - management traffic is very light unless you're using FT or have other odd reasons
@ewwhite hee
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16:51
@Chopper3 @MDMarra I take it all back :D
also that's the universal power symbol. and you should have circled it with red freehand line and some arrows.
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Though I still like to isolate things like that, makes it easier to do 'stuff' in future
oh no wait nevermind I have my symbols b ackwards
the one with the solid circle is power
But there's all sorts of wrong there... I don't think the MSA60 is fiber-capable
you're right and I'm spoiled by not having any hardware with a true power switch anymore.
16:53
@Chopper3 Gotcha. But still separate vmkernel ports, correct? Since HA doesn't like to use vMotion-enabled ports for cluster communication?
maybe the enclosure is fictional :o
@ewwhite No, it's a SAS only enclosure
That might be worth mentioning... but the whole, "I don't know where the power switch is" thing makes it seem not worth it.
@ShaneMadden No, I have my management traffic and vMotion traffic on the same vswitch, same physical ports and same port-group
16:57
@voretaq7 That will only work if you're standing in a place where the superposition of waves is in a cancelling alignment.
@Chopper3 Keeping it simple? What a crazy idea! ;)
yep, that said our management/vmotion pNIC is really a hard-walled 2Gbps partition of a 10Gbps Trunk
@TomOConnor that's actually not how this one works apparently
this one relies on the human brain getting all kinds of fucked up when you hear your own voice on a delay
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@voretaq7 Not convinced by that
@Dan it works - Try having a conversation with remote echo over a 200ms delay VOIP line, you'll start to stutter
17:02
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Q: Transfer files on SSH to Desktop

AlxVallejoBased on the tutorials I've browsed through: This is the Linux scp command syntax to retrieve file or directory from a remote computer: scp -r [login name@ip address] : [/path/filename] . So what exactly is /path/filename on your own computer? What is root? Is it C drive? Is it current Us...

check the second comment
it won't completely shut you up (you can still scream - and you probably WILL from frustration), but it's annoying enough to make you stop talking and move on.
@LucasKauffman not the nicest way of saying "You're kind of clueless"
he makes it look as if scp is rocket science :p
@LucasKauffman OP belongs on SU.
well, actually, yahoo answers.
I skipped the question because of the title: Files can't be ON SSH, man! ::throws a penniless hippy at the OP::
...why did my mac autocorrect "hippie" to "hippy"?
I mean either one could work, though I might get a hernia from flinging hippy people - hippies (hey it accepted that one) tend to be undernourished and tossable :)
you could easily toss a hippie chick with pigtails then
17:06
@SpacemanSpiff swing handles?
kinda like disc throwing, what's it called?
I'm having a sendmail.mc problem...
ahh discus... i remember nwo
trying to get relay through google working
@SpacemanSpiff Xena style?
17:07
and getting "NONE:0: m4: ERROR: EOF in argument list
"
Was there a comment deleted from that scp question?
@Aaron yea
ok makes a little more sense now
on questions box / FAQ tab, what exactly does that mean? the hover tip says 'questions with the most links' but that's not really clear
I wonder what the guy is going to do with the storageworks if he doesn't know what a powerbutton looks like :/
gulp
17:15
@Aaron good question
maybe most dups?
@Aaron They are the questions with the most closed as a duplicate links
@Iain sorted by nDUPs too I'd wager since licensing is #1
@Iain what about when a closed question naturally goes to deleted? Does the 'inward link' count decrement?
@voretaq7 it looks like it
@Aaron no idea and not all closed questions get deleted either
The really crappy ones should, especially those that are almost exact duplicates
17:21
if they meet the auto delete rules then they will go otherwise not. So for example this one will eventually go whereas this one won't
afternoon
evening ;)
time();
I wish it were evening. I'm so friggin tired
@Holocryptic Pop a few more pills.
17:26
I'm waiting for 5/20 08:08:57 :)
@ScottPack That's why I'm tired... :(
@voretaq7 Which is what exactly
@Holocryptic unix timestamp 1337501337
You're such a dork
17:28
@Holocryptic thank you
Started the beard yet, big boy?
and you're pillz-e. I think you have that American problem with the popping of the pills.
It's a pill-poppping problem I think!
@ScottPack I'll start tomorrow, no promises how long I'll put up with keeping it though :)
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@voretaq7 pics
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
@voretaq7 psh. There's no problem here
17:30
@Holocryptic You can quit anytime you want, right? It just helps take the edge off?
@ScottPack Yep
@Holocryptic my avatar has a beard.
Though to be honest, I haven't taken any painkillers since last week. It interacts with my other meds, seemingly
@ScottPack he can't diagnose server problems without a few vicodin
@voretaq7 that's a goatee, not a beard
@voretaq7 percocet is better
17:31
@Holocryptic that's all you're getting. I look ridonculous with a full beard.
@voretaq7 How much of a pedantic ass do you think I should be to @Holocryptic?
@voretaq7 It's not a unix beard if it's not a full beard
@ScottPack When are you not a pedantic ass to me?
user image
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@ScottPack as much as you want. BRING FORTH MY AMUSEMENT
@Holocryptic I was going to say that it was a VanDyke, not a goatee. But now that I zoom the hell out of @voretaq7's picture...I can't find a moustache.
@ScottPack we covered that yesterday...
17:34
Ha. Serves you right
@voretaq7 I've not been paying much attention to this room for the past month or so. Too high volume.
20 hours ago, by voretaq7
@WesleyDavid I mean a neatly trimmed goatee. I don't like hair on my upper lip. (And you can take that any way you want and it's still equally valid!)
Pussy.
there was also THIS gem:
20 hours ago, by WesleyDavid
Wait, I just asked another man about his uncut glory. >_<
And here I thought you were a UNIX guy. I guess you must really be a closet Ubuntu lover.
17:36
@ScottPack see, there's an important distinction here:
UNIX beards are generally well-maintained and neat looking. Like the BSD kernel
I'll bet you turned down the pipe-scented suspenders as well.
LINUX beards are wild, untamed, and contain food particles. Like Ubuntu, RedHat, Debian, SlackOff, etc...
That...has no relation to any of the UNIX beards I've ever seen.
Compare and contrast: Ken Thompson --
17:39
Richard batshitMotherfuckingcrazy Stallman --
Stallman is never an appropriate comparison unless you're talking about the homeless.
What about this guy?
@Chopper3 @ShaneMadden thanks for the input
Got called out of the office right as I started getting interesting responses :)
@ScottPack one too many nights with an Ubuntu boot disk...
even short-term exposure can embolden the beard
@voretaq7 Of course, now that I look at John's tags, they're heavily Windows.
@ScottPack Unix beard is +5 against damage from Windows operating systems.
youtube.com/watch?v=6Il-zbiclng <- NSF...anyone really
17:48
That is so wrong
@Holocryptic yet... stars.
You're welcome
@voretaq7 So does mine count as a UNIX beard? It's significantly shorter than either of your examples.
@ScottPack yes
's just not a LINUX beard
@Holocryptic should I post the OTHER one here?
Just so long as I don't get compared to Stallman, I don't really care.
17:55
@voretaq7 yes.
^ Also not safe for... ANYONE.
@Dan who do you work for btw? phil atttt buckley hyphen mellor dottt commmm ok
he never threw the scissors - those things are great. they embed in the target :)
ooh just noticed the global inbox red blob is animated now it floats down
Can anyone think of anything I should add to this answer? serverfault.com/questions/365375/…
18:10
Not really, but I'm not a specialist. SAS is the way to go.
who the fsk makes a chicken parm sammich with no sauce?
@TylerShads It goes on the side. Don't like my bread/roll getting soggy.
@jscott bah, you're clearly not MURRIKAN
:(
But I am!
I also firmly believe that any lettuce, tomato, etc in sandwiches belong on the top of the meat/cheese, rather than under them.
Again, so as to prevent lower roll sogging.
I hate when my roll sogs
18:16
I don't like this guy's questions...
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Q: APC switched PDU rack, lost state after reboot or power loss

ArthorI have the following: We have a few APC 7920 PDU's Using POWER IQ to control the PDS's via SNAMP 1/2 Using also Mobile Power IQ to control the PDU if need via iPad/iPhone I am in the process of testing a few scenarios. One which has be stumped me a little. Outlet 1 is on, Outlet 2,3,4,5,6,...

@ewwhite why not?
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Q: HP DL585 G1 with VMware ESXi 5 - SATA solution, need more storage

ArthorI have the following: 2 x DL585 G1 (8 cores) with built in Smart Array 5i (2 x 74GB SCSI in Raid 0) I installed VMware ESXi 5 and got it all working :) However I need more space. I was thinking of getting 2 x P600 which I can install in the DL585 G1 however I am not sure if it will support...

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Q: Which NAS to get for VMWARE/ESXi 5 / ISCSI (LUN) - 2012

ArthorWe now have a few servers, DL380's and a few others, all with ESXi 5. We are going to have a few services that we are going to run from these servers. The goal with this is to bring all the storage to one place, hence the NAS. We are in a little bit of a open discussion about which NAS to get o...

I see.
Well he's new
but he has a really annoying avatar.
@Basil I want to put his hand in the lawnmower.
also he misspelt sheeple in his profile
Looks like English may be his 4th or 5th language.
18:22
@Basil I'm not sure why he's rubbing himself in the groin with his oversized hand, but hey. I guess that's how he rolls.
@MikeyB rolling those could be painful...
@TylerShads You're aware that a 'murkin' is a form of pubic wig, right?
@Adrian ITYM 'merkin'
@Adrian From context? Yeah, probably he does.
@MikeyB This is America. We spell shit differently here.
18:26
@Adrian In my part of America, we spell it 'Merkin' :p Forget the crazy spelling that the Merkins use, we use English.
Oh great, bad flags from the Ubuntu room. That's what we need.
'merica!
@ShaneMadden Unity is failing.
@ShaneMadden oh for the love of kittens
@MikeyB welcome to a-meerkat-rah, now put on your merkin because it's COLD in Alaska (though nobody could ever accuse the former half-term governess' children of being frigid...)
@voretaq7 Now have Ice-Ice baby running though my head. May it now be stuck in yours!
@84104 I have it on my iPod. I can just play it and get it out of my head.
18:38
@84104 Unity is Fail. Pure and undiluted.
(I also know all the lyrics, and can do a pretty credible version of it if I'm sufficiently motivated (drunk))
Anyone use VCE's 'VBlocks'?
facepalm just got a ticket from a group of users asking what to do if someone else locked the terminal. I tell ya it's Learned Helplessness.
Find the person who locked the terminal.

HURT them.
Explain that the hurting is because they locked the terminal.

HURT them again.
Explain that the hurting will continue until the terminal is unlocked.

HURT them again.
Explain that the hurting will reoccur if they persist in their bad behavior in the future.

HURT them again.
(OK that last one is just for fun.)
@Adrian Pull the power? That usually does a fair job of unlocking the terminal.
18:46
@Chopper3 No, and I wouldn't
@voretaq7 That sounds a lot like threatening to stop tickling someone when they whistle.
@Basil having my doubts too
it;s like real hardware that you own and maintain, except it's got to be precisely what Cisco tells you. And they don't support it any more than calling the underlying vendors for you? Fuck that.
@ScottPack Pretty much. After about a half hour they figured it out themselves. I think this level of cluelessness is an infectious disease that is spread via grad school.
Fuck cisco, at that.
Pardon my french.
18:48
well the first time you punch them.
Then when they're clutching their shattered nose you nail 'em in the gut.
The third time they should be doubled over, so just knock 'em down.
And the fourth time is the parting kick to the head (where it can't do any damage)
that last one is for making you submit a stupid helpdesk ticket, ala "I'mma smack you till my hand hurts, then I'mma smack you for making it hurt!" :)
OTOH, I got to attend a nice little VMWare marketing pitch this morning and my boss got some good stuff out of it too. That win right there cancels out most of the morning's suckage.
@Adrian free breakfastses?
@voretaq7 Oh yes. Lots of fresh fruit and mediocre coffee.
@Adrian sounds like a good deal to me.
@Adrian I got to check the location of the fiber drop for my dwdm today. It's a closet that smells of diesel exhaust.
18:52
speaking of, it's lunch time (well, like an hour after lunch time actually).
On the plus side, DWDMs are passive
@Basil That's not really a good thing. Unless your office is on a bus line.
Also, I got to see a locomotive pull into the shop for servicing
@Basil yep, with you on all that
@Basil Where do you work?
18:52
@Adrian It's the workshop where they maintain trains :P
@Adrian train company
@Basil what country are you in?
@Chopper3 Canada
eh!
@Basil You work for a manufacturer like ElectroMotive or Bombardier or a railroad company like CP?
@Adrian CN, to be precise
18:54
@Basil Ah, that's it. Not sure why I keep calling it Canadian Pacific.
That's a different company- our competitors :P
@Basil Tempted to say that's a pretty cool job, but I don't have to work outside nearly as much as you do, and you're in the Frozen North.
@Basil Shows how much attention I pay to that stuff. I thought there was a nationalization into 1 big company some years ago.
@Adrian Other way around- they privatized the industry sometime in the last few decades.
@Adrian And I only work outside if I volunteer to become a conductor (which I'm considering)
@Basil OOH! OOH! SAY THE ALPHABET!
@voretaq7 THE ALPHABET, eh?
18:58
@Basil I must say, the conductors on the commuter trains here sure seem to love their jobs. The wonderful folks at Bombardier built them, and they're quite nice.
A bounty of OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND rep to whoever goes to The Bridge and posts a Yelling Bird tweet. If they like flagging, give them something worth flagging.
Everyone knows two facts about canadians: (1) Your heads flip open when you talk. (2) Every 4th word is "Eh".

"Eh, Bee, See, Eh. Dee, Eee, Eff, Eh. …"
@Adrian It's a cool job, but it comes with a lot of responsibility.
@tombull89 Sure.
@voretaq7 I'm doing my part to debunk the whole "polite" part. I am glad you didnt' mention it.

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