The Comms Room

Iain

09:07

Morning

packs

12:42

Morning

jscott

12:56

It is morning.

Bart Silverstrim

13:07

Am I the only one frustrated with people like this? serverfault.com/questions/215222/…

jscott

I don't know if it frustrates me.... It does display a certain magnitude of ignorance/naïveté.

Dan

@Bart, yep, i'm over it.

Bart Silverstrim

The answers say the same basic thing and every time it's a "but what if...what if..."

jscott

If the question is being asked in that manner, they're already in over their head.

Bart Silverstrim

If you have the cash and the experience, yes it's cheaper! Duh! The hard part is having the infrastructure and experience! (and to afford it you have to be a trust fund baby or have very little need for this site in the first place or are already a host provider to pay the bills...)

@jscott: probably so. Is it cheaper? I don't know...how much is having your site up and accessible worth to you? If you put a dollar value on it, which is higher?

jscott

13:14

@BartSilverstrim Regardless, the fact that they're asking indicates they don't know enough to begin with.

I couldn't make a quantifiable argument against hosting/vps unless I knew exactly which resources were available to me.

Bart Silverstrim

13:27

He just commented on the answer. Mentioning Facebook hosting their own servers is probably a good indicator of the understanding of the business side he has. I'm thinking he's mostly a dev with little business experience? Pure speculation on my part.

If he has a small home type site with matching traffic...stick it on a spare computer in the corner. Personally if it's worth buying a $3,000 server just to host it himself and he's asking these questions now I believe he's in over his head; hosting something like this means getting a dedicated IP, contract agreements to keep his connection up within certain times, etc...

pauska

serverfault feels more and more like a sysadmin school

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I hate it :(

Bart Silverstrim

I don't know too many programmers that know much about OS's and sysadmin work. I was surprised to learn that.

Like Joel's post in Meta...maybe we've just been here too long that we don't have tolerance for people who haven't been here so long.

jscott

@BartSilverstrim I don't think it's a problem of tolerance or time spent here.

Bart Silverstrim

Serverfault doesn't "grow" with us...we're regulars and old fogey's in SF time.

jscott

There's an obvious disconnect of background knowledge in many questions.

Bart Silverstrim

13:32

Most are drive-byers, though.

I have less tolerance for those that should be tagged with "can't be bothered to google"

This guy obviously seemed to lack experience in the business of sysadmin and hosting 101.

Don't know if Google would aggregate something like that. It takes more in-depth understanding to truly comprehend the meaning of "you have no idea what you're asking."

jscott

Don't know what they don't know.... The most dangerous kind.

jangosteve.com/post/380926251/no-one-knows-what-theyre-doing

GregD

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Q: Cost effective way to host site / VPS / yourself?

Hello Friends, i am paying about 55 USD for a VPS every month that makes it about 660 USD a year. For the current traffic, it's good enought but, my question is, wouldn't i be better off, if i would buy for example, a server and plug it to the ISP myself? For example a Mac mini or a MacPro ? ...

are you talking about this one?

Bart Silverstrim

@gregd yes.

GregD

It seems as if he's wanting to be talked out of hosting it himself

As if, I'm doing this, tell me why I shouldn't

Bart Silverstrim

It sounds more like to me that he's made up his mind, he just wants others to agree with him.

GregD

13:39

@BartSilverstrim Yeah, that's what I was getting at

Bart Silverstrim

He's asking people and they're all saying the same basic thing, but he kept saying, "but what if...what if..." like no one has thought of this in their answer.

Dude, if you have the knowledge, the experience, resources, and time...duh. It's cheaper. You'd be a host provider already.

If you're a dev asking this then chances are you lack expertise in more than one of these areas. That's what you pay someone else for.

And in other cases, it's not worth your time when you do a business case. That's why I pay my garage to change my oil and while they're at it check the brakes and tires and transmission and everything else for me. It would be cheaper for me to do it myself, but I don't have a garage, I don't have experience with it, and I don't want to invest the time it takes to get proficient at doing everything short of autobody work on my car with confidence that I'm not going to @#% it up.

GregD

Does anyone else find it weird that so many DEVS lack fundamental computer knowledge?

Bart Silverstrim

I used to.

Not so much anymore.

jscott

@BartSilverstrim Not to mention, it's damn cold out, and a slipped wench can result in a GD knuckle-buster!

Bart Silverstrim

@jscott - yes indeed. And it's expensive to stock parts for repairs sometimes.

And specialized tools.

GregD

13:44

@jscott I don't know, I kinda like slipped wenchs :)

Bart Silverstrim

meters. Computers to read your brand of car's computer now.

Oh lord that's a great Freudian slip.

jscott

doh!

Need more coffee....

packs

Or more tightly fitting wenches.

jscott

slippery wenches.

GregD

lol

sysadmin humor

Warner

14:14

Ditto, @BartSilverstrim.

Some developers just memorize syntax, a language. That is not necessarily intrinsic to any level of technical knowledge.

"I can use Eclipse and code Java!"

Goes right next to Excel and Word on a resume.

hehe.

Chris S

14:30

@Warner I can use Eclipse and wouldn't put it on a resume... A resume is your first chance to brag, if knowing Eclipse is one of the first things you want to brag about...

Warner

You're making funny tedious, @ChrisS.

Chris S

@Warner I think that's caused by caffeine deficiency.

Warner

;)

Chris S

Anybody else on vacation today and yet in front of their work computer?

Warner

At work in front of my work computer.

Ben

14:42

We just got sent home because of bad snow. I'm sat in front of my own laptop doing work :(

GregD

I'm on vacation and in front of my work computer at work..

Well, mentally on vacation

jscott

Vacation is the only time we can get stuff done around here. Staff/students will be away Friday and Monday... yay.

Dynamo

Yeah if only we didn't have those pesky users we'd get so much more work done.

Haha.

jscott

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Q: Does Network neutrality mean you can host a server?

Does the Network neutrality ruleing mean that you can lawfully host a server on ANY ISP without paying extra?

web-hosting isp

GregD

Now we're answering legal questions?

Robert Moir

14:57

That question kinda brings me back to being able to close questions as being too daft for words

packs

I would rather be on vacation, but the wife doesn't get time off so I can either get stuff done in an empty office building, or sit on my couch.

With the university being closed 3 days over 2 weeks, there is a great incentive to not come in at all. Silly state employees.

Bart Silverstrim

hee hee...this guy thought that he could host whatever he wanted from a service provider from the magic of net neutrality?

GregD

Good god. I think I need a break from SF. I tell him it's ill-advised to take legal advice from complete strangers and then he asks where he should go then? I want to strangle someone.

Bart Silverstrim

Google is your friend...

The yellow pages :-)

Or...I don't know...call your service provider? Unless you don't want them to laugh at you.

GregD

Where the $#^^#@$! do you think you should go for legal advice?

Bart Silverstrim

15:06

I'M ENTITLED TO HOSTING A SERVER IN MY BASEMENT!

GregD

@BartSilverstrim On that note, we really don't give a shit where you host your server. Your clients on the other hand may...

Bart Silverstrim

I host my web server on my iPod. I'm clever.

GregD

I host it on my watch

Bart Silverstrim

liar.

GregD

Apache Wrist FTW!

Bart Silverstrim

15:08

Commander Data?

packs

@gregd Closed. Happy now?

GregD

@packs Whether the question is closed or not doesn't matter.

I'm simply getting frustrated at questions like, which hosting provider would you recommend?, what licensing should I get?, what should I do legally?. Which means I probably need a break from SF

Bart Silverstrim

If it's stressing you then yes, you probably should.

Chris S

@packs He wont be happy until he can punch people in the face over standard TCP/IP.

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GregD

@ChrisS That made me chuckle

Chris S

15:13

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jscott

Doh, too late. :)

I had that hanging just above my phone on my cube wall.

Was asked to remove it.

Warner

ha.

GregD

0

Q: What are the practical differences between an IP address and a server?

My understanding of IPs and other DNS-type server-related issues really falls short (read: exteme noob). I know a dedicated server would increase speed. What, if any, difference in speed would a dedicated IP make? Am I correct in understanding the Best Practices from Yahoo that I could use the ...

ip optimization

Bart Silverstrim

@jscott: really? That sucks.

Dynamo

Ummmmm what?

GregD

15:15

I'm unclear about what he's asking

I think my brain needs a reboot this morning

Zypher

@GregD no ... it's a horrible question from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about and is trying to look like they know what they are talking about ...

Bart Silverstrim

I suspect his brain needs a reboot.

Zypher

i gave him a comment chance

packs

wow

jscott

@BartSilverstrim There is a zero-tolerance policy for violence/bullying here. 0_o

packs

15:16

Those are the kinds of questions I expect to hear from developers.

Bart Silverstrim

Sounds like a not fun place to work if you're not allowed to have joke cartoons hanging in your workspace.

Zypher

(don't let my comment stop your vote to closes)

Dynamo

That is one of the strangest questions I've ever read.

Dan

Even for a bad question, TomTom likes to get really snappy.

GregD

@packs If I heard that question from a developer under my domain, I would fire them on the spot

Bart Silverstrim

15:20

I thought he was tame compared to other answers this time.

Warner

Definitely.

Bart Silverstrim

I mean...tomtom...someone asking, "will a dedicated IP make me faster?"...that's like smacking a lion in the face with a steak while giggling like a little girl.

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Warner

If by lion, you mean: "irritating illiterate with an obvious culture clash who's often wrong." Sure.

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Zypher

uhg ... damnit

he was better for a little bit

sigh now i need to go and check his posts

Dynamo

TomTom is a weird case. Hes got such a harsh tone but I can't deny that he has helped a lot of people, myself included.

Zypher

15:27

yes i know ... it's just his attitude

the problem happens when someone finds "JMC's" question and his answer

well that's bad .. .he is just full of wrong on that answer

but one of his snippy answers could put of 1 or more new users that could really contribute to the site

since they see another forum with grumpy sysadmins

Dynamo

I'm just shocked at how quick he rose. I remember seeing some of his first answers and I was amazed at just how snippy he could get.

Yet he's managed to get to 10k+

packs

@GregD The best developers I've worked with are proper engineers. Unfortunately, the majority that I've worked with aren't.

Zypher

@Dynamo

Server Fault Blog: RTFM

Posted by Kyle Brandt on October 13th, 2010

It seems to me that every system administration community eventually de-evolves to a bunch of negative administrators that answers questions with things like:

“RTFM.” “Let me Google this for you ….” “man ps, idiot.”

The next step is to end up like the typical IRC channel, “Happy to give you advice, as long as you don’t mind that I am going to insult you while I do it.” For those who haven’t spent time in many IRC channels it goes something like: …

Chris S

If you speak with conviction, some people will listen, no matter how wrong you might be.

Dynamo

@Zypher Ah yes I remember that blog post. I even have a comment in it to boot. Very much agree with what Kyle is saying there.

Zypher

15:33

scuse me while i give the guy an answer

Robert Moir

the IP address guy? I had a go at his question but when you start from that starting point its difficult to know what kinda things you can say to them

Bart Silverstrim

How's my answer?

Robert Moir

not bad, I like the IP address = address analogy

Zypher

@RobertMoir yea he is trying, his clarification helps

Bart Silverstrim

I think it's another "in over your head" case if he's asking that. I think. But the dude was clarifying his question, so he's not a buzz-by.

Robert Moir

15:43

absolutely.

Tomtom is grumping about the downboat

GregD

Tomtom reminds me of RichB on SO

Zypher

yea i'm ignoring him right now

no i don't know what i'm talking about ... i only run the servers for a top 500 website ...

whistles

sometimes i get the impression he is stuck at a small shop and is not happy about that

Dan

@Zypher, thats because you dont know what you talks about. ;)

GregD

So I guess those dedicated IP addresses I am using for single servers are illegal?

Zypher

and that ip block we bought is illegal too

Warner

15:50

He's a Windows guy. He probably runs internal infrastructure and resets passwords all day long, which would explain his ignorance regarding a CDN.

Zypher

and the fact that you DO own your phone number escapes him

Robert Moir

yeah

Chris S

@GregD If you could easily use less, or if you aren't using a large chunk of your assignment, then yes, you're supposed to return them... I don't think anybody actually does though

@Zypher Well, not to defend him, but you own it in the same sense that you own your house address...

Robert Moir

Actually he reminds me of me when I was younger and less experienced... I used to think I knew everything once but if your mind is at least a bit open you start to realise the more you learn the more you realise there is left to learn

Warner

He's just a dick. I wouldn't over analyze it.

GregD

15:54

But I only have a block of 60

Robert Moir

you can tell academia stitched up IPv4... we have more ip addresses than we know what to do with and keep getting offered more

Zypher

@ChrisS eh maybe in days past that was a good analogy but you can't take your home address with you when you move ... ehh anyway ... spent too many brain cells on it already :)

@RobertMoir damn those acedemics

Robert Moir

the Uni I used to work at had a class A, and the college I'm at now was given 2 class Cs

packs

@RobertMoir Ooo...a /8. Old and big time. We somehow managed to get both a /16 and a /18.

Robert Moir

not too bad either

packs

16:04

Likely way more than we need. Because of the way they were internally allocated originally it is rather hard to get meaningful usage figures.

Robert Moir

yes indeed

way more than needed, but there you go

Zypher

ahh verizon ... i hate you

sysadmin1138

16:46

@Warner There is a lot of truth in that. The only reason I know much about CDNs or highly scaled out webserving is what has rubbed off by hanging out here :P. I don't like that, but it's the truth.

@packs We have a /16, which I believe I've mentioned before. It means, "IPv6 will happen when forced."

Which makes it really odd that I'm apparently the top user in the ipv6 tag.

packs

@sysadmin1138 Pretty much the same. I'm not entirely sure what will happen w.r.t. our network infrastructure when we begin offering IPv6. I know some of the qualifiers with Cisco (we were largely a PIX shop in transparent mode), but we're moving to Juniper now.

sysadmin1138

In our case we had a bunch of old Catalyst switches at the edge that were v6-questionable. Those are being replaced in a major project over the next 4-6 months.

packs

Apparently, PIXOS supports v6, but only in routed mode, and only if it is configured as a v6 router.

In transparent mode it will silently drop all v6 traffic as a "protocol anomaly"

sysadmin1138

That would be why our PIX machines weren't cited as a problem. Good to know.

GregD

Is crossposting encouraged?

sysadmin1138

16:53

No, it isn't. At least to sites with migration paths.

GregD

Well I can't close one as a dupe of the other if it exists on a sister site

a protocol anomaly if you will

sysadmin1138

Ah, that problem. I believe the accepted solution is to post a chastening comment to the effect of, "Bad crossposter, no upvote," and let the mods deal with it somehow.

GregD

ok...flagged for moderator attention

i believe it has a better chance of getting answered on SO

Warner

With all due respect, @sysadmin1138. ;)

sysadmin1138

17:13

Of course! I'm all about the tact around here.

sadmicrowave

hey guys, I'm trying to mstsc from XP to Ubuntu Server 10.10 but the destination is unreachable

Ben

Did the "This is the licensing question to close all licensing questions as dupe" question ever get posted?

sadmicrowave

However; I can remote desktop from ubuntu desktop 10.10 to my ubuntu server 10.10 box just fine

jscott

@sadmicrowave Does mstsc now support remote (vnc??) connection to Linux machines?

sysadmin1138

@Ben I don't remember it going by... Maybe the meta-post is a good thing to point to.

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Q: Should licensing questions be closed?

After seeing yet another licensing question I'm wondering whether I'm right in thinking they should be closed. While it can be difficult or slow getting answers for technical questions from the vendors, software companies, etc., surely questions about licensing should always be directed to the su...

discussion

Ben

17:18

Cool OK. We can't close as dupe for meta can we?

sysadmin1138

Don't think so. Close as 'too localized' and post the question as a comment, I guess.

Warner

Shoot, one of the senior guys on my team just turned in his resignation.

sysadmin1138

D'oh!

Warner

He handled most of the network stuff and served as mentor for the internal Windows stuff.

Dynamo

@Warner yikes!

GregD

17:41

Jeebus. Cisco could make their website all navigable via CLI and it would be easier than their current website.

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sysadmin1138

At least the CLI has tab-completion?

Ben

I'm thinking about posting the "licensing question to close all others" and flagging for it to be CW'ed. Thoughts? pastebin.com/nQGvh9R7

sysadmin1138

Worth a shot, IMHO. Also, licensing schemes vary by size of the organization looking to license, the type of contract they can get, and location.

Ben

17:57

Exactly. There's no way we can absolutely know the right answer, and I wouldn't like to be the person who gets fired because they believed $person on Server Fault who said it was legal

Dynamo

Oh my goodness

I'm batting heads with my management because they think we should add the service desk staff into the server patching rotation

jscott

@Dynamo Enjoy that. Should be a nice cost-cutting move. :)

Ben

Until they bugger it up and require sysadmin overtime to fix it :)

jscott

Reset a password, reset a password, change a user name, clear a print queue, patch the Exchange server and reboot.

Dynamo

I have no problem with them coming in with a sysadmin to learn

Chris S

18:02

@jscott mstsc does not support vnc, but it's possible to run a x server that supports rdp.

Dynamo

But to want to put them into the rotation on their own seems insane to me

jscott

@ChrisS Cool, good to know.

Zypher

f'in scraper ... comming in through tor

Ben

@Zypher can you please CW this question

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Q: Can you help me with my software licensing question?

I have a question regarding software licensing. Can the Server Fault community please help with the following. How many licenses do I need Is this licensing configuration valid What CALs do I need to be properly licensed Can I run this product in a virtual environment

licensing

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Zypher

done and done

Ben

18:09

Cheers :)

Dynamo

@Ben Nicely done.

packs

18:27

Very nice

sadmicrowave

what program do you guys recommend for remote desktoping from xp to a linux box?

packs

putty

Chris S

@packs +1 for humor; but I don't think that's what he's looking for.

@sadmicrowave tightvnc

sadmicrowave

unless you can somehow config putty to let you control the remote desktop

packs

@ChrisS I figured not, but I just couldn't resist.

Chris S

18:38

@sadmicrowave PuTTY is a TTY program... probably not what you're looking for.

packs

You can do vnc, however it takes some effort to get setup, as I recall

sadmicrowave

alright, so lets talk about an app that doesnt require alot of extraneous setup

Chris S

@packs I think the x vnc server is installed by default... though I don't really do Linux. I've got Cygwin installed on my laptop and just run a whole X server, tunneled over SSH (putty).

@sadmicrowave You said you can remote in from another box already, yes? What protocol does it use?

sadmicrowave

I can use the Remote Desktop Viewer on Ubuntu Desktop 10.10 to connect to the ubuntu server

Bart Silverstrim

@sadmicrowave-xming + putty

jscott

18:42

That's VNC

Lance Roberts

Anyone have a ODBC driver for Sybase System 10 lying around (using in Windows 2000, need a more current one than came with W2000)?

Bart Silverstrim

@jscott: what is? xming+putty?

sadmicrowave

I started looking up XMING and everyone says its in the unstable beta versions..is that true?

Bart Silverstrim

shrug dunno. I use it.

Doesn't require an install.

Just stick it in a shared directory and run it directly.

jscott

Sorry, The Remote Desktop Viewer (Vinagre) on Ubuntu is a VNC client.

Bart Silverstrim

18:43

fast and convenient.

And compatible with XP and Win7.

It's free...don't lose anything if you try Xming and putty to do it.

On the first day of xmas my users gave to me...an autocad install CD...

sadmicrowave

what kind of configuring does it require to comm with ubuntu?

Bart Silverstrim

@sadmicrowave: what? xming? Nothing. X installed. SSHD running.

Zypher

@BartSilverstrim isn't that song supposed to have nice happy things?

Bart Silverstrim

If you can ssh in and forward X on the server side, you should be fine. You just need the x server running on Windows to display things.

Which is xming.

Run xming, then open putty, tell it to forward X in the x11 settings, ssh in and launch your programs.

On the second day of xmas my users gave to me...2 vista CD's and an autodcad install CD.

sadmicrowave

i just downloaded xming and it does require an install by the way

Bart Silverstrim

18:47

On the third day of xmas my users gave me to me...3 printer driver glitches, 2 vista cds and an autocad install CD.

Don't know what to tell you. I unzipped it to my home dir.

Never ran install from any of the 800 workstations we have here.

Just click my home dir/xming, run launcher.exe and it's done.

sadmicrowave

alright so I have xming running...now what?

Bart Silverstrim

from their site: Xming is the leading [WWW]X Window Server for Microsoft XP/2008/Windows7. It is fully featured, lean, fast, current, simple to install and because it is standalone native Microsoft Windows®, easily transported portable as a pocket X server.

standalone.

Do you have putty?

sadmicrowave

indeed

Bart Silverstrim

run launcher, okokok until it's in the system tray.

launch putty, go to x11 settings and tell it to forward connections.

go back in putty to where you enter the IP/host name and connect, tell it yes to accept the hash

sadmicrowave

done

Bart Silverstrim

18:50

Then log in.

Then....*shrug* launch what you want to launch?

vinagre, firefox,...

sadmicrowave

SSH?

Rlogin?

Bart Silverstrim

You're logged into the remote workstation, aren't you?

sadmicrowave

yes

Bart Silverstrim

then...yeah, if you want to launch ssh you can.

Whatever you want to do from your workstation.

Chris S

@Bart, I think he wants a desktop GUI.

Zoredache

18:52

if you installed a minimal ubuntu server then you will need xauth and xbase-clients installed.

Bart Silverstrim

VNC will give you the desktop, it also shows anyone at the console what you're doing if the monitor is on.

Zoredache

You should be able to use xming to make an xdcmp connection.

Bart Silverstrim

If you know what applications you want you can just execute it from the command line.

Personal preference is to do it this way since it's fast and encrypted.

VNC by default isn't unless you tunnel it through ssh.

sadmicrowave

since I'm new to ubuntu server I installed ubuntu-desktop over the core command-line for now...so I want control of the entire desktop

Bart Silverstrim

What are you trying to launch?

sadmicrowave

18:54

I must have done something wrong because ssh to it gives me a connection refused error

Zoredache

have you installed openssh-server?

sadmicrowave

oops

Bart Silverstrim

You need to have, on the remote system, ssh installed.

and allow for x forwarding if you do it this way.

Zypher

sigh why do I have to explain telecom shorthand to a verizon person

Bart Silverstrim

Others may disagree but I avoid VNC into servers and workstations.

sadmicrowave

18:55

so ubuntu server 10.10 doesnt already have ssh installed?

that sucks

Zoredache

because you are talking to a customer service rep, who probably barely graduated high school?

Bart Silverstrim

It's more overhead, and it's like sitting at the console.

i.e., someone can see potentially what you're doing. And there's more crap sent back and forth and graphics glitches possible. X forwarding is the "UNIX Way (tm)" and when forwarded through X is encrypted.

Zoredache

ubuntu has an ssh client installed, no servers are installed to protect people from setting up insecure servers when they don't know any better.

Bart Silverstrim

Basic install may not have it.

Zypher

@Zoredache i know but ... it's sales speak i'm talking to our account rep

he might be a local guy though ... i'm talking toll free

Bart Silverstrim

18:57

By default you don't want the kitchen sink in there...if you're going to take up memory and disk space, you have to do it yourself so you don't get little surprises to disable, depending on what you're setting up the system for.

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim You know what you're doing...

Bart Silverstrim

Rarely accused of that.

I'm just using X forwarding now to read my email from my OS X system.

sadmicrowave

alright I'm setting up open-ssh on the remote box

Bart Silverstrim

Go into /etc/ssh (or is it sshd?) and look for the sshd config file.

sadmicrowave

now its done

Bart Silverstrim

18:59

open it in a text editor and make sure that x forwarding is yes.

If it isn't, comment it out and add that line so it's a yes, then restart sshd.

Zoredache

/etc/ssh/sshd_config

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A: putty external text editor?

If you really need a GUI editor another alternative is to install on one on the server and run it via SSH. To do this you need: An X11 server on your guest that is running. (Xming works well - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/) To permit X11 forwarding on the server X11Forwarding yes To ...

Chris S

That reminds me, just the other day I got myself a VPS, and it had an option for FreeBSD 8.1 minimal to start the image; when I clicked on it I was presented with a huge warning that it's for HIGHLY ADVANCED ADMINISTRATORS WHO REALLY KNOW THEIR STUFF AND IT DOESN'T COME WITH ANYTHING INSTALLED AT ALL!. I had to laugh at their plea for noobs to stay away.

Bart Silverstrim

After doing that you should be able to putty into your Linux machine (make sure again x11 is set to forward in putty).

FreeBSD is great if you have a set role in mind. Playing with stuff...I thought it can get hairy.

sadmicrowave

x11forwarding is set to yes

Bart Silverstrim

You set it to yes, or it was set to yes?

sadmicrowave

19:01

it was set to yes

Bart Silverstrim

Is sshd in your process list? (it should be...)

sadmicrowave

sorry - ubuntu noob - how do I view my process list?

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim I've been using it for so long that I'm pretty good with it. The workstation I'm at right now is running 8.1; so do all of my servers, routers, movie players, etc, at home.

Bart Silverstrim

ps ax |grep sshd

Queops

Is anyone familiar with apache installers on windows? :c

Bart Silverstrim

19:03

I kind of avoid apache on Windows...seems to be the red-headed stepchild in getting attention to things. Seems like it was glitchier when we used it.

sadmicrowave

@bart alright sshd is in my process lit

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Queops

I have no concerns about that part... I just want to do mass install of it but I can't find the parameter not to install with the apache monitor

Bart Silverstrim

on your windows machine, Xming is in the system tray near the clock?

sadmicrowave

yes

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim Red-headed stepchild is putting it's nicely. If you using Apache, I'd run it on a *nix box for anything but development work.

Zoredache

19:04

@Queops, yeah, setup your favorite VM software, and then use favorite *nix. ;)

Bart Silverstrim

open putty, go to the x11 options and make sure forwarding is set up.

Then put in your host IP or name for the connection settings and connect.

Queops

msiexec /i httpd.msi /quiet ALLUSERS=1 SERVERADMIN=admin@localhost SERVERNAME=localhost SERVERDOMAIN=localhost SERVERPORT=14532 INSTALLDIR=%SYSTEMDRIVE%\Apache

sadmicrowave

when I hover on the Ximg icon it says Xming Server:0.0

Queops

this is an example

Bart Silverstrim

If successful it should ask about the hash of the server, whether to cache it or not. Just say yes.

then asks for username and password.

If it's successful you'll be at a terminal on your server.

Queops

19:05

I can't find the public property for not installing the monitor T_T

Zoredache

@Queops, perhaps there isn't one...

Queops

God, don't tell me that, I managed to find the variables to input so that it it can install quietly

Bart Silverstrim

@Queops if you can find a malware author they can tell you how to install just about anything by browsing a website.

Zoredache

Not really familiar with Apache on Windows, but I doubt it really needs to do much to the OS. You may just need to copy the files over and use SC or something to create the services.. Skip the MSI thing completely.

@Queops, you could ask that as a question on SF though. Someone probably has a good answer.

Queops

Oh i was kinda

Well I was kinda uneasy about asking about software on stack

oh Serverfault, yeh I did

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Q: Apache installer question

I'm currently using: msiexec /i httpd.msi /passive ALLUSERS=1 SERVERADMIN=admin@localhost SERVERNAME=localhost SERVERDOMAIN=localhost SERVERPORT=80 INSTALLDIR=%SYSTEMDRIVE%\apache To install apache without much input, however I don't want to install the Apache Monitor that comes w...

windows apache install

sysadmin1138

19:14

The more upvotes we get on this licensing question, the higher it'll show up in the 'top answers' for the Licensing tag:

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Q: Can you help me with my software licensing question?

I have a question regarding software licensing. Can the Server Fault community please help with the following. How many licenses do I need Is this licensing configuration valid What CALs do I need to be properly licensed Can I run this product in a virtual environment

licensing

Bart Silverstrim

On the fourth day of xmas my users gave to me, four email bounces, three printer driver glitches, 2 vista cds and an autocad install request.

Ben

Nice answer by the way @sysadmin1138 - I'm actually going to accept that one over my own

Warner

Does she actually have a title involving licensing, @sysadmin1138?

Bart Silverstrim

On the fifth day of xmas my users gave to me...5...W..T..F's! 4 email bounces, 3 printer driver glitches 2 vista CD's and an autocad install request.

Queops

Bart I would give you gold if that rhymed :d

packs

19:17

@sysadmin1138 Do you guys have any kind of state contract you can piggyback your licenses off of?

Bart Silverstrim

Hmm...don't know if I can do that.

I'm trying to get to 12 spammers spamming.

sysadmin1138

@Warner Darned close.

@packs yes, but since we're higher-ed the contracts we can negotiate frequently are better than we can get through the state.

Warner

I've known people to have primary responsibilities in the area but not be hired for the sole purpose of software license management.

sysadmin1138

I think her official title is something like "Computer Software Specialist," or somesuch.

Bart Silverstrim

There's someone in software sales from an "intermediate unit" we talk to but I don't think it's her sole responsibility.

State thing that does software sales to gov/education.

sysadmin1138

19:23

She also does the negotiations for our annual desktop replacements. IT purchasing is its own speciality.

Bart Silverstrim

I need a server farm hosted in my basement to offset heating costs in Winter.

Zoredache

@BartSilverstrim, but won't it cost you twice as much to cool in the summer?

Bart Silverstrim

Redundancy. Move the farm somewhere else in summer.

rzlines

@sysadmin11 sorry to bug you here but can you please look at the comments I have added and correct me if im wrong. serverfault.com/questions/215398/…

Zoredache

Ah, we need a cloud, that smartly floats from the north to south hemispheres depending on the surface temperature...

Bart Silverstrim

19:27

TO THE CLOUD!

Warner

I like doing that stuff but I focus on infrastructure.. pipes, equipment. I avoid software license management. I run Open Source Software. ;)

Bart Silverstrim

I need to live on a houseboat.

sysadmin1138

@BartSilverstrim An office-mate of mine does that.

Bart Silverstrim

Just move my entire setup somewhere else as the tide takes me.

Live like Duncan Macleod

sysadmin1138

@rzlines I don't have time right now, I'm about to head out the door.

Bart Silverstrim

19:30

That would be hell...an immortal sysadmin.

rzlines

@sysadmin11 alright thank you, whenever you have the time

packs

Our licensing person is a 'Logistics Specialist' or something equally vague and not helpful.

Zoredache

@rzlines, setup the internal address on both routers to 192.168.x.1, and 192.168.x.2. Connect the two routers with a cable. Assign an address to the linux box in that range. Disable DHCP on both. Setup DHCP on the Linux box, and setup reservations for clients with a different default gateway depending on the client.

Or if you wan to go for the really complex setup, set all the clients to have the Linux box as the default gateway, and then setup policy based routing.

rzlines

@Zoredache do both the routers have to be on the same range? what about the gateways?

Zoredache

@rzlines, there are a half-dozen different ways to get what you seem to want working. All of them are a bit weird/unusual. But, the simplest way (IMHO) would be to put them both on the same subnet, and just set a different default gateway per client.

I believe that is what sysadmin1138 was suggesting as well.

rzlines

19:46

@Zoredache okay I'll connect both the networks and use static addresses, all I need to know is how to assign the gateways on the router and the clients for eg: If the ip address of the client computer is 192.168.1.15 can it have a gateway of 192.168.11.1, that won't be possible right? (sorry if i can't understand you but i'm a new to this)

Chris S

The other day we were talking about USB<->Serial cables; the one I have has a Prolific chip in it, haven't been able to pry any other vendor info out of it.

Zoredache

You don't need to set gateway on the router. You leave the external interface set to whatever the external interface is supposed to be set to like your ISP dictates (probably dhcp). On the internal interface you set the IP address and netmask, and disable dhcp.

the two routers will need different IPs, but they would be on the same subnet.

packs

@ChrisS I think mine does too. The only useful information on the unit is UC-232A. It seemed to only randomly work.

Chris S

I also found the chip information page; not much help really: http://www.prolific.com.tw/eng/Products.asp?ID=88
Mine works like a champ, really can't say anything bad about it at all.

packs

@ChrisS According to lsusb, that's what mine uses as well. I suppose it could be the manufacturer and not the chip, or just my own dumb luck.

rzlines

20:02

@Zoredache figured so the gateway on the clients would be the router's ip address right?

Zoredache

Yes, the gateway on the client will be set based on which router/ISP that client should use.

rzlines

20:31

@Zoredache Thanks! it actually worked out!! This is amazing!

Zoredache

No problem. Please remember to click accept on sysadmin1138 answer.

rzlines

@Zoredache already done it! I didn't think that this would be so simple both of you have made my day!

Zoredache

At the moment, I am guessing you have dhcp completely disabled. If you want to make it work a bit better, you would setup a DHCP server on that linux box, setup lots of reservations with different ip/gateway info. Statically assigned addresses will start to get really annoying if any of your devices are mobile (laptops/netbooks/iDevice/etc...)

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