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I'm sure, I would want to try to remove it post-install. I can't image that would be "clean".
Another reason I prefer OS X...easier to install and uninstall most programs.
I never trust Windows stuff anymore.
Congratulations on #14, @ChrisS. ;)
I'm really thinking that there is no easy answer to integrating the Mac "labs" on wireless with a Windows environment. Such deployments almost count on wired connections for speed and reliability.
And mixed with users that refuse to be trained it's a nightmare.
@BartSilverstrim what age level are the students?
I would look at implementing Microsoft IAS
15:06
(I'm assuming training the teachers is a lost cause anyway.)
@muralisuriar: high school. 16/17/18, approx.
I won't rant...teachers want to teach, not learn technology in particular.
Which is understandable when I take off my IT hat.
Hmm. Are they completely opposed to training? I recall coming up with all sorts of hacks to get around IT policy at school at that age.
@BartSilverstrim Most people don't want to learn technology.
And I'd imagine that's only increased as time has progressed.
@Warner What's a #14?
15:07
Kids love getting around policy at the time. But they don't want to learn about connecting to smb://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and copying files. They do, however, want to learn about magic proxies that let them play video games on school computers.
They don't care to learn the stuff they'd need to learn in order to get work done. That's boring.
Otherwise I'd have them mount the @#$% directory, save docs to it, and understand that if a file is large they copy and paste it to a local directory, edit it, then copy and paste it back to the remote share.
That would solve a lot of the problem as far as I'm concerned.
#14 on the userlist.
Users that refuse to learn are not the problem, but the norm. What sucks is that most software is not intuitive and doesn't work right away.
Oh! Thank you, I haven't even looked since I made it to page 1.
If I could script it somehow to just rsync things to a Windows home directory, that might make things simpler...periodically run it in the background.
Of course that for special cases users have to learn to use specific tools, but the problem still remains for the general case.
15:10
Create a "drop box" folder that syncs up with a folder in their home dir?
Oh! Knocked you off too. Sorry!
Or use robocopy
Anyone know if I can change max_check_attempts for a service but only for a specific host in Nagios?
or synctoy
Robocopy on the Mac?
15:11
oh, I read windows :)
not reading things is part of the norm :P
there are rsync servers for windows though...
I don't know if it would kill network bandwidth or not, but rsyncing home dirs on the Mac with a user's home directory on <server>...wonder how bad that would be if it ran every five to ten minutes?
Or a specific subdirectory in the home directory?
depends on the type and amount of changes
Hmm...no, it would have to sync the home dir or they'd lose movie/itunes/iphoto dirs.
It would have to run as that user, too, to keep permissions correct.
depends on the type and amount of changes
But running rsync in the background should be relatively light after the first sync.
15:16
Tell them to get a dropbox account
errr... it depends on the type and amount of changes. If changes are big new files it'll generate tons of traffic
Dropbox would suck external bandwidth then.
especially for new files
@BartSilverstrim Where exactly does your issue lay? Bandwidth, capacity, space?
I probably missed it since I haven't had enough coffee yet
The issue is "We need a way to get Macs to work with AD (authentication seems to work for the most part) so that kids can use Windows and Macs with access to their home directories on a Windows-based NAS, without huge login/logoff times, or huge network congestion in either syncing or just trying to edit files."
15:18
Ah, I did miss it...thanks
that's two things: a) Get AD working and b) Avoiding network congestion syncing/editing files
I presume A is working but you have huge logon/logoff times
It's still unclear. Have you narrowed down where the network congestion is happening?
huge login/logoff times is usually due to synchronizing the home directory to the AD server
that would explain network congestion
how are those called? roaming profiles?
@VinkoVrsalovic No. Syncing a homedir is not the same as roaming profiles
but roaming profiles do copy the home dir on the server, don't they?
15:21
@VinkoVrsalovic Roaming profiles are completely separate from homedirs
@vinkovrsalovic: yes, I think our main problems lay in sync/editing. we need to be able to back up user files, but editing over the network introduces lag/pausing/disconnect issues.
Profiles are a Windows thing.
In OS X/Unix things Windows considers part of the profile are in the home directory.
haha, all good, @ChrisS.
@KyleBrandt yes.
Unix doesn't really have a profile concept. Home dir carries preferences, libraries, user cache, etc.
So if you mount it, it should work.
Er, lemme double-check
Since everything can find their prefs in a ~/.<name> directory or file.
15:26
@Warner?
with max_check_attempts
Our consultations tell us that the wireless is working without being overloaded.
Ah, how do I specify that the value is only for the one service with the one host without creating a new service?
New NAS so the drives can handle the requests, supposedly.
Even though the service applies to many hosts
15:27
max_check_attempts in the host is for the ping check.
If you want a unique value for a host/service, you'll have to duplicate the service.
@Warner: Ah okay, that is what I thought, thanks
No problem.
How many users and do you have a Gig network?
In a mobile lab you're talking about 20 to 25 laptops at a time. AP is wired back to the controller with gig.
And from there, yes, gig to the NAS and servers.
Have you turned on debugging for the userenv.dll?
15:30
On the AD servers?
On any of the windows laptops
Not for this, if it's what I think you're referring to. It might be something we attempted using when we had a worm on the network and needed to narrow down what machine was infected...it tells stats for AD logins, no?
The Windows laptops haven't had this kind of issue.
Only Macbooks.
If you turn on debugging for userenv.dll it logs EVERYTHING that happens during the creation of the 'user' 'env'ironment during logon
We're seeing long login/logoff times, and dozens of sync errors trying to copy files.
Extremely detailed logs
15:32
(on MacBooks)
The Lenovos just break in other creative ways.
Beat me to the edit on that, @KyleBrandt.
We get things like the iphoto libraries syncing with <name>.network.network.network, then <name>.network.network.network.network...so you have, say, a 10 meg iphoto lib, then 20, then 30...each time you log on and off.
Permission errors accessing home directory files. Sync errors on files.
But they can access them manually. Things like that.
Incredibly frustrating.
@Warner: It isn't a great question but I didn't think it wasn't reasonable
15:34
And when you have these duped libraries (part of the problem) it increases the sync times!
@Warner: What Joel wrote yesterday is really spot on I think
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Agreed on both counts.
15:58
I know we're not supposed to have meta-tags and such, but it would be really useful if we had a way to aggregate the Canonical Q/As other than using favorites/bookmarks/constant-searching/etc. So when a dupe comes along it's quick and painless to mark it as a dupe of the Canonical Q/A.
16:20
@ChrisS: You might find FAQ pages helpful serverfault.com/tags/networking/faq
Those are the most linked to internal answers
For each tag
16:42
i'm convinced verizon's ACD just randomly pics a department the send you to no matter what option you push
i managed to get to the Fedral department when i pressed 1 after dialing the T1 support # on thier website
which matched the number the previous rep gave me when i made it to the PA,NJ,DE department
@Zypher Comcast's must be the same system... When automatic activation didn't work (surprise considering it's Comcastic) it transferred me to California Residential Billing Support (I'm in MI). At least that lady knew how to transfer me to MI Support, though it was still Billing and not Technical Service.
@ChrisS hahah yea
when i get mad at comcast i just go down to thier giant multi-billion dollar high rise in center city philly and dream about throwing eggs at it
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18:43
Anyone have any experience with Puppet? I can't find a way to configure the update interval..
30 minutes isn't good enough?
too short
We're having some connection issues during the business day, so rather than updating that often, I'd rather set the updates for a few hours apart (so it doesn't contribute to the problem)
set the runinterval variable
In seconds
That's a client config, right?
yuppers
18:48
Thanks
For some reason, I couldn't find it in the docs
but when I searched that, I found the man page... Chalk it up to google being weird...
Clearly the google did not want you to find it.
You could always play with the splay settings, if you're feeling really randy.
I tend to prefer consistency, though.
fair enough
The yum update is killing my internet connection (once it gets slow, it cascades down the list of mirrors, opening more and more connections, thereby sealing the fate of the connection)...
redhat?
CentOS (so yes)
How many systems have you got?
19:00
Not many, 6 under Puppet control...
(but we also are on a T1)
Have you looked at SpaceWalk?
I looked briefly at it before...
Dan
Dan
OSx people, is there an equivalent to Win+L to quickly lock a mac?
All I really need is a configuration management system... The rest I don't really need since I already have inventory and monitoring all setup (and since we're a mixed environment, the other two need to support both Win and Linux)
@Dan Turn on password locked screensaver and setup a hot corner?
Dan
Dan
19:03
I'll check that out. I'm brand new to OSx, so it's probably a dumb one.
@ircmaxell setup a local repo that way your boxes don't kill your intenet by pulling the same stuff down over and over again
SpaceWalk does have some low key configuration management built in, but it's very, VERY basic. The newer version does implement cobbler, which let us combine two services.
that is if you don't want to use SpaceWalk
I've pretty much always used it as a local repo with some patch level reporting.
my only real problem is that it requires Oracle right now
19:05
@Zypher: I do that for the core, but not for the other repos...
blech
I guess I should...
@ircmaxell ja especially if you only have a single T
pretty much, yeah.
Yeah, it's fine 99% of the time. But once it gets slow for anything (users downloading too much), once puppet fires it kills the whole thing (packetloss through the roof)
19:06
Are your puppet runs traversing the T1?
I've wiresharked the connection, and it's puppet that puts the nail in it. Once it fails the first time, it cascades down a list of mirrors quite fast...
No, only the yum update call for non-core repos
Is that happening on every run?
everything else is local (including packages in the core repository)
yes
holy crap
Why not just setup a cron job to have them update over night?
The cascade is not happening on every run
only when the connection slows down from too much traffic (about once per day, with all the other usage totaled)
And I'm going to work on it in January (I have too much to do now), but I wanted a stop-gap to keep it up for the next few days...
Yeah, that's prob the best idea... (The cron idea)
19:10
Any particular reason you're updating so often?
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I called it spam, what about you?
closed as not a real question, flagged as spam
Move to SO, it seems some poor programmer need help with their SE-spam-bot's English parser.
19:13
heh
@packs It was the default config. I set it up, and didn't have an issue for 6 months. But now it's become an issue (so I switched it to 12 hours)
but I think I'll change that to nightly via cron...
@ircmaxell I would have puppet run however often is necessary for your environment. I kept the 30 minutes for a few reasons, but one of them being that local changes would get corrected in a timely fashion. Your yum updates were what I was really curious about.
As an example, I have my systems set to only update packages once per week.
Well, part of the definition for some of the services is to update the package...
Ah, ensure => latest, or whatever. Yeah. I would fix that :)
yeah
ensure => installed?
19:19
yup
Unless you need a specific version, that's what I would do. Then write out an update script that runs during an outage window.
And don't just do a blind 'yum -y update' since sometimes python or glibc versions change, and those updates need to go in a specific order: yum, glibc, all.
what's the difference between present and installed?
auto-puppet scares me
The move from 5.2->5.3 (I think) was a great example of that. Lots of installs got hosed because the updater didn't realize the consequences of a glibc change
i only run when i want to
@ircmaxell nothing
19:21
Ahh ok
Done...
@TomOConnor It can be real scary, unless you actually have a deployment schedule. You should really only have problems on the first run after you make changes to your tree
And I don't do a blind yum update anywhere...
Thanks for the insight
19:55
Anybody in here extremely versed in powershell?
guess not :)
never used it, sorry
i'm a linux/unix man
extreamely is the quailifier that might disqualify ... umm yea
err
just ask and if someone can help they will
I wrote a loop a few times
But I would only count that as extremely versed on a resume
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@blsub6 I'm moderately well versed in it.
while !wizard
do
    chkconfig --level 3 tosee off
done
20:11
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Here we go.
Do this for me please?
I really want a meta tag didn't-bother-googling
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Yeeeeah. They only come here for .htaccess help.
Let me figure out what to do with that unless you just want to give him the answer :-P
20:14
i'm not answering
Go ahead :)
too tired :P
20:27
well there's a file that I can't seem to get to and I'm not sure why
or if it would make a difference
it's the format.ps1xml file that's stored in my APPDATA
it gives me an error saying that it is not digitally signed
It's a powershell script, your configuration requires signatures for execution of PS scripts.
@TomOConnor I'll help people on their first couple mod_rewrite questions, after that it's up to them to start learning.
yes?
evidently, it says that the file was skipped because of a validation exception
what I'm trying to figure out is I'm in the Exchange Management Shell and I don't have a get-mailbox cmdlet
or a bunch of other cmdlets
@blsub6 Ah, yes. That problem. I bet if you run get-executionpolicy it'll return AllSigned or something. To run unsigned scripts, set-executionpolicy -ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned
20:33
it returns remotesigned!
Then that's not the problem I thought it was.
I thought it was the same thing, that's where I'm stuck
get-pssnapin should tell you if you have the Exchange bits loaded.
I got diagnostics, management, core, utility, host, management, security
no exchange :(
But no microsoft.exchange.management.powershell.admin I see.
20:36
nope
does format.ps1xml have anything to do with that?
hm...well is the cmdlet to add the snapin "Add-PSSnapin microsoft.exchange"?
because that tells me it's not installed on the machine
That sounds about right for command. Hm.
That seems to imply the powershell hooks aren't correctly registered on your system.
you lost me
what does that mean
21:06
Bugger. One of my new brocade switches just kernel-panicked.
Did the scroll and caps lock lights start blinking?
111, CHASSIS, INFO, Brocade5100, Processor rebooted - Software Fault:Kernel Panic
Bunch of stuff lost storage, which shouldn't have happened thanks to MPIO. But it did. OUr SQL server may be inconsistent.
bad times man
There goes your afternoon
Ayep. I am now Busy As (*&*(.
21:11
Sounds like fun </sarcasm>
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21:25
Hrm... Markdown should work in the room descriptions...
ido
ido
RST > Markdown
Maybe, but everything else on the stackexchange is based on markdown. The room descriptions should support it as well.
Ben
Ben
I have found on the chat that if you do something in markdown (such as **) then it takes a moment to render properly. The window shows **Bold text** (with literal asterisks) but then renders bold properly after a few seconds.
21:40
hey guys..i just recently setup my first apache2 webserver to host php applications... I am currently accessing my created webpages through the IP address of the server followed by the name of the php file; however, I'm wanting to be able to access the websites using the server name rather than IP address...I think I need to change/add some things to my apache2.conf file but I don't know what/where to add
Dan
Dan
@sadmicrowave, you would probably get better results making that a question on SF
If you can get there by IP, then all you should have to do is setup DNS.
Which has nothing to do you with your apache2.conf
@sadmicrowave you can probably do this simply with a hosts file en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_%28file%29
The SQL server was NOT inconsistent. Yay!
phew !
21:46
@sysadmin1138 Was it the cloud that saved you?
that usually helps
TO THE oh hell i can't do it
quitin time. Have a good evening, gentlemen.
and/or ladies
No, it was SQL server's disaster resilience that saved us.
Turns out when I did all that work last week I forgot to put in all of the new paths into the zoning config, so we still had some single-points-of-failure. :P. Better a known (stupid) mistake than an unknown mysterious one.
22:15
i feel odd, i've called myself 23 times today
does that mean there is somethign wrong with me?
I think you need attention.
YAY CLOUD!
You have called yourself 23 times?
He's a really slow version of Beetlejuice.
T'is the season for new software
fa la la la la, la la la la
Update we now to our displeasure
fa la la la la, la la la la
Gone is now our dreams of sleeping
fa la la la la, la la la la
For if not done there will be weeping
fa la la la la, la la la la
22:27
SysAdmin1138 Expounds
A thought on the season

T'is the season for new softwarefa la la la la, la la la laUpdate we now to our displeasurefa la la la la, la la la laGone is now our dreams of sleepingfa la la la la, la la la laFor if not done there will be weepingfa la la la la, la la la la...
SysAdmin1138
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Sysadmin1138/~3/iBRVqVDoJfE/a-thought-on-the-season.shtml
yea ... well that's how many times i call my cell :)
testing an asterisk setup
ah, testing asterisk, that makes sense. I was trying to figure out what you would have to say to yourself that would mean you had to call yourself 23 times..
haha
22:44
Oh lord. Watching some kind of "government secrets" show on "syfy."
Apparently the government MAY have been playing with time and space teleportation.
Oooh...mind control at Montauk along with teleportation experiments.
If someone was able to travel in time, wouldn't we already know people could travel in time?
Guess it depends on what they did.
@BartSilverstrim This is a book you should probably read: archives&PID=34782
Governments involved in, you know, mind control, and related stuff. But funny.
22:52
Sounds it.
Amazon has new copies starting at $75
High reviews but looks like it's not in print anymore?
I'm pretty sure it's in ereader form somewhere.
well i'm done for Christmas. VMWare upgraded, servers patched, quotes digested and project costings and recommendation made. KACE demo watched.

Except of course my brothers kids have trashed itunes and would I mind popping round and....
Hi friends, Merry Christmas
22:56
@RobertMoir: The answer is, restore from Time Machine.
@BartSilverstrim If only they were using a Mac... let alone noticed when it first went wrong...
@BartSilverstrim Threw me off there for a bit, since the last topic was about time travel :|
If only...wait, what? Windows? Wha...why? Why would someone run iTunes on Windows?
The best part of course is that fixing itunes turned out to be much more complicated than any of the other things....
3 ipods, 1 windows machine
If you restore an encrypted home dir from Time Machine during an eclipse, you slide forward in the timestream.
But...bu...Windows? iTunes? Why?
I...my HEAD...burning...pain...REEEBOOOOT
22:59
...works fine for me
is now a bad time to mention the 160 gig of music i have in itunes on my windows machine?
It...shouldn't be possible...
and yes that IS a truly absurd amount of music before anyone asks.
Is your PC powered by unicorn farts?
is that in MP3 or AAC?
23:01
Only black magic can keep Windows stable enough to run that sort of stuff...
or lossless rather.
He's a WARLOCK!
@zoredache - a mix. All the stuff purchased from itunes is AAC. All the stuff I've purchased elsewhere or ripped from the CD collection is MP3
itunes does behave much better on the macbook , but that's too much disk space to give up to have the whole library loaded on that
for the airport worker in your life, eh bart?
Ben
Ben
23:04
31% of people buy a Kindle 3G after looking at that product?!!
Okay...everyone here is a sysadmin...
given that fact, most of us are probably in possession of some degree of mental issues.
that's why amazon stock it. It's clearly some kind of magical kindle-selling spell toy
So can anyone on the fringe of sanity explain this thing? amazon.com/Parent-Child-Testing-Product-Pack/dp/B002A6HXL6/…
WHAT ON EARTH IS THAT THING?
sorry, caps, bad, I know, but bart's link just broke my brain
Ben
Ben
.... 4) Count to 3 and then hurl the Parent Child Testing Product at the test subject's head. ....
I so want one!
23:07
oh dear lord
It is only $10,035.98
Ben
Ben
In the review: ...... 2) Mine came without instructions. When I shell out $25,000 for testing equipment, I expect instructions. ......
@Ben XD
I liked this review I was sadly disappointed in discovering that this product is offered in a 10-pack, and a 15-pack, yet NOTHING in between.
I needed a 12.5-pack since one of my three children is really a just step-child, and she needs to know that.
@RobertMoir I know, it's like running iTunes on Windows, isn't it?!
Ben
Ben
23:11
In the pictures is some borderline animal porn! amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B002A6HXL6/…
lol... yes very like that.
Ben
Ben
OK I have to close that now, or my brain will assplode
All I want for Christmas is uranium ore...
@ben the picture you linked to looks like a Doctor Who monster of the week
Which Amazon also sells apparently.
OH WOW a wallet shaped like a sandwich!
23:13
amazon: It's a book store and a gateway to the other side of the looking glass
@robertmoir: you're telling me. Check out the "other customers viewed" part here. amazon.com/Images-SI-Inc-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/…
Roswell soil samples? wow. I need those for my server. Might make it run faster.
I have not the words
amazon.com/Harcos-Labratory-Nuclear-Energy-Plutonium/dp/… -- I think someone likes playing Fallout
Hi everyone. ANyone know how to get IIS7 to stop listening to a specific IP address and port?
I have stopped all websites (on IIS7) yet when I do a "netstat -a -p tcp" I still see IIS listening on 0.0.0.0:80
you don't so much tell it NOT to listen to ports as specify what ones you DO want it to listen to. What that will be is the default setting, port 80 (default HTTP port) on ANY IP address you go on to configure
@RobertMoir That's dangerous. Kids shouldn't be encouraged to lick plutonium.
23:20
as I don't have IIS installed at home, can't be more specific than that at the moment, sorry.
I agree... in years to come that will be seen like candy cigarettes are nowadays
Thanks Robert. I have all websites configured to listen to a different IP address (I have three static IP addresses). I have even stopped IIS but IIS still seems to be listening on several ports.
@BartSilverstrim Ask and ye shall receive. unitednuclear.com/…
Night folks...
@sysadmin1138 Hmm...interesting stocking stuffer.
HAHA!
Favorite quote of today:
"No such luck. They were all stupid in subtly different ways...."
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