The Comms Room

mossy

00:16

First day at Rackspace. Twas good.

Wesley

@mossy Yay!

How many people got trampled just to see your dashing handsomeness up close?

mossy

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Nathan C

Reply from 173.194.123.34: bytes=32 time=1022ms TTL=53
Reply from 173.194.123.34: bytes=32 time=1023ms TTL=53
Reply from 173.194.123.34: bytes=32 time=921ms TTL=53
Reply from 173.194.123.34: bytes=32 time=946ms TTL=53

I too like dialup

...and I have cable!

Wesley

@mossy Lots of meet and greet I guess? How's your desk? Did you get a pic of your desk?

@NathanC I was getting that while tethered to my phone during a Cox outage.

Nathan C

I can't even tether to my phone...

Hotspot not showing up

Wesley

00:27

You might say that I got...
(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
Cox blocked.

Nathan C

...get out.

:P

mossy

lol

Nathan C

And when I try using USB tethering, it just hangs the network and sharing center indefinitely...

mossy

I did get a new laptop. Which is good. I didn't have anything at home that could run VMs

without catching fire.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

@mossy: I've run VMs on some pretty shitty hardware....

(ok, core 2 duo laptop with a gig of ram was probably my worst. I do currently have stuff running on a little passively cooled celeron nuc-a-like - but that's 4gb of ram, and a pretty nice microarch)

Nathan C

00:34

k...i give up for the night. Hotspot shows up, but it doesn't connect...sigh.

Wesley

Every time a customer says "I can confirm that I am / am not" you can immediately assume with confidence that reality is the exact opposite of what they assert.

Matt Bear

hey all

Wesley

@MattBear Slam it in a drawer, noodle slapper!

Matt Bear

@Wesley did that earlier :(

kinda stung

need help with subnetting

I need 10.0.1.0 - 10.0.3.0

specifically excluding 10.0.0.0-254

Zoredache

you can't do that in a single subnet.

Matt Bear

00:47

yeah... that's what I was dreading...

my azure cloud network is 10.0.0.0/22

with subnets 10.0.1-3.0/24

one of our remote offices is 10.0.0.0/24 (don't ask me why)

trying to figure out how I can establish a VPN tunnel to azure

Zoredache

renumber the remote office. Do some really ugly NAT in the VPN.

Will Microsoft let you re-number the Azure network?

Matt Bear

@Zoredache no, I can create a new network, and then delete and recreate the servers

and then I have to go into php and MySQL on all the servers and update them

im working on integrating my Linux boxes with AD for SSO

and so that I can control the devs user accounts better

I wonder.... could I add a DC into the azure network and establish a remote connection to it?

Wesley

01:33

@Iain @freiheit @ward youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA

Bob

Huh. Didn't know HP was splitting.

Journeyman Geek

Thats pretty new news

Bob

@JourneymanGeek How new is it?

Journeyman Geek

last few days

Bob

Hm. Not that new then.

Wesley

02:20

TIL Semen is a real name.

Had a good giggle at someone's name in the queue today.

Ward

03:21

@Wesley Cool, but Hans Rey wouldn't have had to walk/climb up any of those sections that guy did.

Hell, Hans Rey probably could've ridden where that guy had to row a boat.

Hans Rey

Hans Jörg Rey, aka Hans "No Way" Rey (born 4 June 1966 in Switzerland). Rey is a pioneer in mountain bike trials and extreme mountain biking. Rey began riding in the late 70s. Since 1987, he has ridden exclusively on GT bikes. In 1999 he was inducted to the Mountain bike hall of fame. Over the years he has won a large number of bike trials riding championships, but since 1997 has retired from competitive sports to explore the world on his mountain bike. He is the only permanent member of the "Hans Rey Adventure Team", a quest to explore the world using his mountain bike talent. These trips were...

Mark Henderson

So the DC we're moving to has a vending machine in the staging area that is filled with twinax cables and transceivers

Is that something other DCs have?

Michael Hampton

04:12

Call me when the datacenter installs a vending machine that dispenses beer.

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson never seen it before but it's not a bad idea

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot I tried to take a photo of it but it came out super blurry. I am not a good photographer. If @ewwhite had been there it would have been perfectly framed with a beautiful depth of field and an appropriate f-stop. I was walking past and hit snapshot on my phone

The SFP transceivers were well priced, around $40 to $80 but the SFP+ twinax 1m cables were $315

Journeyman Geek

04:29

@MarkHenderson I've heard of this, pretty brilliant idea, actually

Falcon Momot

I hope there is a receipt in the package.

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot I hope that they've tested it so that it doesn't unwind and then the thing gets caught on the way down

I once bought a packet of chips and got about 6 packets because all the previous ones had got jammed and my packet was the last straw to disloge them all

Or if you see one that's stuck halfway down you buy a heavy thing that's directly above it in the hope that it hits the packet with enough force and it all comes down

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson yup, have seen it in a few dc's

xs4all dc has one even better: a spare parts dump where you can dump cables and other things you no longer use so there's always a stack of spares for people who need them

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker That's a nice touch

I bet there are thousands of IEC power cords in there

Dennis Kaarsemaker

and network cables

fiber is somewhat rarer

but I've seen pdus and older procurves in there too

Mark Henderson

04:45

Nice

Bob

05:05

We always need more network cables. Got a giant box full of power and VGA/DVI cables, though. And that's after throwing a bunch out.

Mark Henderson

@Bob Ugh me too

But I never have a HDMI cable when I need it

Bob

@MarkHenderson Don't worry, they're only $60 ea!

...and do exactly the same thing as a $2 cable off some Chinese eBay seller

Journeyman Geek

05:26

lol

bestbuy.com/site/…

Obligatory insanely overpriced HDMI cable.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ah, yes. Because we all know that diamond has a massive effect on conductivity/rf interference/audio mojo

Journeyman Geek

;p

Falcon Momot

@Bob well, the piezoelectric effect is a thing, but I don't think it would very likely help

That doesn't seem to have diamonds in it though - just woo-woo and ignorance of forward error correction.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Falcon Momot

05:59

hmm, either there is a new theme, or I'm getting the mobile version of the site on the front page.

Jenny D

06:27

morning

Iain

G'day

faker

morning

Bob

Funfunfun

Oh god this is slow

probably should've installed the parent guest on a SSD

Whoops, battery's dying.

I'll have to see if suspending this even works :P

Wesley

06:42

Night my loves.

faker

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Q: Magento not Sending emails Help configure nginx squirrelmail

have followed this youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0daTIbsi-M I think I just need to configure nginx for squirrelmail. squirrelmail installed in the default location but Nginx dont seem to find it. When Im going to my domain I get this message. ERROR: Config file "config/config...

this is full of fail. Wow.

Falcon Momot

sigh

this is really getting annoying; I had to threaten to resign twice today to get something actioned.

on the bright side it doesn't look like anyone is OK with me resigning

on an even brighter side, I can actually resign since I have two offers lined up

pauska

g'day

Journeyman Geek

nice

Iain

@FalconMomot I guess you don't want to leave $currentemployer either

Jenny D

06:54

@FalconMomot That sounds good

Falcon Momot

@Iain not really. I want to work at the current employer with a specific problem corrected, or at another employer.

Iain

No Java ?

Falcon Momot

to make a long story short, two people are harassing me and I need them to stop. the java is a thing too but it's secondary.

Jenny D

Falcon Momot

pretty much

Iain

07:14

You do realiase that, at the moment, this question looks very much like "Hi, I'm a developer, please teach me to sysadmin" - which makes it off topic on several grounds at the same time, not least "too broad" and "professional server admin". If you have a business need to run this server, hire a consultant. If you don't, go and get your learning experiences before posting here. — MadHatter 7 mins ago

wow that's harsh from the MadHatter

Skyhawk

@FalconMomot In my experience, having clear boundaries tends to lead to raises.

Falcon Momot

@Skyhawk at the very least it leads to not having those boundaries softly pressed far beyond their original location.

Skyhawk

@FalconMomot I once got a 25% raise by promising never to work an hour over 40 again. I was the new network administrator at a scrappy little financial company and had been required to work approximately 80 hrs/week for 2 weeks in a row. The next week I was out with a terrible case of the flu, bad enough that it included some time spent hooked up to an IV.

Journeyman Geek

@Iain he does kind of have a point, but meh, op's in the funny place where he's not sure what he needs to know

Falcon Momot

@Skyhawk damn! that isn't bad.

the competing offer is for a partnership in a SIEM firm some of my fraternal brothers have in Calgary

Iain

07:21

@JourneymanGeek I agree entirely with what he's saying, he's not normally that gloves off about it though

Skyhawk

@FalconMomot The trigger was that when I came back, they said they would dock my pay for 3 of the days I'd missed because I was too new an employee to have accumulated much sick leave.

Falcon Momot

@Skyhawk !

Skyhawk

@FalconMomot I explained that if I was classified as exempt and wasn't eligible for overtime and they were just going to ignore my extraordinary generosity with my time, that they certainly weren't entitled to it.

@FalconMomot So they paid me for the days I was out sick and gave me a raise. I think they were really scared that I was going to leave.

Falcon Momot

yeah, that can happen

Jenny D

When I was about 19, I was working in a startup shipping agency. For the first month or two, there wasn't very much to do, and they'd send me home and only pay me for the hours I'd worked. Then there was a rush and I worked 9-10 hours a day for a week... and they were very surprised when I asked why I wasn't paid for the full time I worked.

That, btw, was the job I eventually quit because the boss kept trying to make me go with him on "business trips"

Oh, and his wife worked at the same place. And was incompetent. And could not follow written instructions.

I am surprised I got out of there without a prison sentence.

RobM

07:38

sounds like you were well out of it for sure

Jenny D

Indeed. I've a friend who's worked as a forwarding agent for the past ~4 years. Apparently that sector is still a wretched hive of sexism and harassment...

Iain

oh dear serverfault.com/questions/634068/…

Dennis Nolte

morning

qoute CoC: The real-life test: You shouldn't talk to anyone here in a way that you wouldn't talk to someone in person, including a boss or new colleague.

ye right, if i talk here like i sometimes talk in real live i get banned instant..

avoid criticism of the author..
how the fuck are we supposed to tell them they should hire a professional now?

Iain

@DennisNolte Advising somebody that their skillset isn't up to he job in hand is constructive

Dennis Nolte

@Iain ye but we should avoid criticism, not only non-constructive. Maybe i am reading too much into it.

Journeyman Geek

07:51

Honestly, I think its somewhat badly written

Iain

@JourneymanGeek the CoC ?

Journeyman Geek

Yup

It also feels the wrong side of PC, occationally repeats itself, and sounds like it got written by a lawyer trying to cover everything.

Iain

@JourneymanGeek It was written by some group of people trying to be pink-and-fluffy

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Journeyman Geek

@Iain: Pretty much

and I'm a big fan of keeping it simple, and letting the community handle things.

RobM

08:19

Huggy-feely stuff always tends to be overwrought and overdone. We really should be able to say "Treat others at least as well as you would like to be treated. Plus no bigotry, though hopefully none of you would want to be treated that way anyway. If you don't behave you will get your ass bounced out the door. Discussion over thanks for coming"

Overly-complex statements are open season for rules-lawyering assholes

tombull89

I will find some other webhost that supports latest rails with cpanel support. I will not waste time on a web host without cpanel

well...okay then...

HE NEEDS TEH CPANELLLLLLL

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Iain

@RobM yes

This is so x/y serverfault.com/questions/634079/layer-7-dns-altering-solutions

pauska

08:35

I'm going nutty over this..

coldforged.no/php.php <- "Display Errors" is Off, right?

then try this one.. coldforged.no/phpraider

been trying to fix it for days.. I'm about to just give up

Iain

@pauska errors !

@pauska is there an ini_set .. which switches it back on in the code anywhere ?

Jenny D

08:51

@DennisNolte I think we should criticize what they do, not who or how they are. There's a difference between "you're an idiot" and "your actions are idiotic" - the latter isn't criticizing the person (though the person will probably disagree with me...)

Dennis Nolte

@JennyD so it seems business as usual :)

pauska

@Iain not that I can find.. refresh the second link, I even merged in phpinfo into the problematic file and it shows display_error to off

I've set error_reporting to 0, and that didn't help either

dawud

09:06

morning

Iain

@pauska @MichaelHampton is good with php

Dan

Morning all

@pauska What are you trying to achieve?

@pauska I have literally nothing to do this morning if you want a second pair of eyes

pauska

@Dan look at the second link I posted

scroll down past the phpinfo stuff

all those warnings should not be displayed

Dan

You might need to look at error_reporting

Have you checked that display_errors isn't being set dynamically?

Let me do my toast and quickly re-learn PHP :D

pauska

yes, I've checked those.. look at the phpinfo that I injected to the same page

display_errors is off, error_reporting is set to 0..

Dan

09:21

Yeah, that's not going to tell the true story though

Remember PHP is a scripting languages and is executed sequentially

Add this to the bottom of the page

<?php echo ini_get("error_reporting"); ?>

Iain

@pauska have you looked in the smarty files/config - it may have it's own error reporting stuff ?

Dan

Sorry, I meant <?php echo ini_get("display_errors"); ?> at the end of the page, or both

tombull89

09:57

boo

just got bid sniped

pauska

10:10

@Dan top line; coldforged.no/phpraider

Dan

No, put it at the bottom mate

Because then it'll reflect any changes made dynamically

pauska

erh

I'll try.. this is a maze of includes and templates and what not

Dan

Yeah, that's the problem - I'm confident that somewhere in there will be an ini_set statement

You should be able to chuck at the bottom of index.php, @pauska

Iain

This is the week where my garden goes from too hard to work to too wet to work

Jenny D

@Iain this is the week where insect season turns to mud season

Thanks for the information everyone(Jenny D, Iain, Journeyman Geek , MadHatter). Now I understand that it requires steep learning curve. I will find some other webhost that supports latest rails with cpanel support. I will not waste time on a web host without cpanel. I did not know this. I don't mind the downvotes. This information is valuable to me. Thanks again. @JourneymanGeek - Sorry for asking how to learn ruby on SO — New 2 hours ago

wow, a dev comes to SF and is polite!

/me checks temperature of reputedly hot place to see whether it's frozen over

Journeyman Geek

10:23

hillarious bit? I didn't actually say he did ._.

Dan

@pauska Daamn, still off!

pauska

@Dan yeah I managed to trick the variables into some template file

this system recompiles templates on the fly

Dan

Urgh

Error reporting is different though

Jenny D

@JourneymanGeek You said it was "roughly the equivalent". Anyhow, he was nice about it which is rare enough to be notable

Dan

@pauska Could you pastebin menu.php?

Iain

10:32

This is fun to read

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Q: Proposed new code of conduct for all Stack Exchange sites

We don't spend too much time talking about our code of conduct; the rules are few and fairly straightforward, and most people abide by them, most of the time. But some of these guidelines, while obvious to our core community, are often unknown to or misinterpreted by newcomers. One of the oldes...

discussion featured etiquette help-center behavior

a morass of pink and fluffyness to you all from the SE employees

Dan

Fuck off.,

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Iain

@Dan :)

Dan

It's broadly fair, to be honest - I can see what they're trying to achieve

Iain

I don't have a problem with it as long as it doesn't stop me from being honest

Dan

Yep, and all rules are open to interpretation

Especially the "Don't say things you wouldn't say to [x]"

tombull89

10:38

@Dan but you are your own boss so you can be as vicious as you like...

Dan

@tombull89 That is true

RobM

@iain for the little it will matter, I threw my opinion on that code of conduct thing

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A: Proposed new code of conduct for all Stack Exchange sites

I remember some internet Celebrity developer, Joel something or other, the name escapes me right now, pointing out that people don't read. If they're not reading the shorter guidelines we have now, why are we expecting them to read longer ones? Statements like this always tends to be overwrough...

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Dan

I've never seen that page from Joel before - very good points

Iain

@RobM It's very much a write only initiative that will make someone at SE feel warm inside for a job well done

faker

10:55

I'm always surprised what enterprises pay for DNS. Reverse zone of a /24? 25 EUR/month!

Iain

V-T-C please serverfault.com/questions/634113/…

RobM

@iain you're quite right but its got to be worth trying

Iain

11:15

Yeah because its really fucking helpful to just come through and downvote... if I wanted to catch shit simply for posting, I'd have gone to 4chan... get lost — Ortund 1 min ago

tombull89

popcorn

@Iain USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST

Iain

@tombull89 I hope so

tombull89

There's a .suckmydick?

Dan

I don't think the new code of conduct is gonna work for, to be honest

Nick

> Scientists have long known that your DNA influences how much java you consume. Now a huge study has identified some genes that may play a role.

Dan

11:19

I forgot how difficult I find being nice to dicks is

Nick

From reddit

... I read that totally wrong the first time

Dan

@Nick I read it wrong until you posted that, then I had to read it another 3 times to figure out how you can possibly read it any other way :D

He's on a right one that guy!

cole

Coming in an hour early to work was a great idea.

RobM

that bloke really is a wankhandle

cole

That made me lol @RobM

tombull89

11:34

I want a .suckmydick domain now :(

cole

cole.suckmydick

wait

I don't want that

Iain

You can flag comments on deleted posts as rude/offensive

HopelessN00b

11:53

Like I said yesterday, I think it's marginally worse than nothing. Another thing thrown at the regular members who volunteer their time and expertise, with nothing to address the hordes of window-lickers who shit all over everything.

And, of course, like you point out, it won't do any good anyway, because no one who isn't doing this already is going to follow the new, longer ruleset either.

Just a big waste of time and another thing to resent, yippie.

Dan

I rarely participate in the main sites now, to be honest

I should try more

Iain

@Dan you'll just end up in here angry and frustrated at the fail

Dan

@Iain Very true

Iain

just one more required serverfault.com/questions/634107/linux-opensuse-13-1-password

RobM

I'm proud of some of the answers and even questions I've had here. I've learnt a lot from doing it and that's good, but the most value I get these days is from hanging out here and being able to ask questions and chat nonsense with friends

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Iain

11:57

There is less to learn these days as there are fewer interesting questions

HopelessN00b

@Iain True story. Anytime I bother with the main anymore, I find myself wondering why I bothered,

RobM

oh i love re-installing sharepoint

Dan

@RobM It's one of the few MS products that I absolutely refuse to go near

RobM

It's as much fun as the nightmare I had last night about having the gallbladder surgery again but without the benefit of anaesthetic.

@dan you lucky bugger.

the sharepoint wizard appears to be stuck on "Successfully Hold a chicken in the air while shoving a deckchair up the server's nose".

Nathan C

@RobM I do have to say this chat gives me a bit of sanity...

Dan

12:02

I spent 15 minutes waiting for one of those the other day, turns out there was a dialogue box behind :(

cole

Has anyone moved Sharepoint from one domain to another?

Nathan C

And for the The Comms Room, that's saying something!

cole

@NathanC sanity from insanity?

Dan

@cole They have, but they're now kept in care

Nathan C

@cole Indeed.

cole

12:03

@Dan figured as much - we have a Sharepoint site that needs to get moved from an old domain to our domain.

RobM

@dan checked for that already. I think it's just in the pouts ever since our devs tried to add a component to the dev sharepoint farm. Ever since then, everything I try to fix it dissolves into "you are in a maze of .net clr errors all alike".

Nathan C

@cole Heh, I'm not sure if it's the best way but I almost think building on the new domain from the ground up and migrating stuff would work best. :P

Dan

@RobM shudder

RobM

@cole I think the theory is that you create a new sharepoint farm in the new domain, enable publishing between the two farms and do a migration of the content you want to send over.

cole

@RobM @NathanC that makes sense.

Nathan C

12:04

@RobM .NET errors best errors

RobM

there was nothing good about these errors

Nathan C

"Object reference not set to a reference of an object." Which object? Not telling you! nananananana!

cole

I'm hoping we just hire a consultant to do it

RobM

that sounds familiar @NathanC

probably for the best @cole

HopelessN00b

@NathanC Still marginally better than those Event Log errors where it tells you it can't find the text for the error.

cole

12:06

Otherwise, it'll get dumped on me.

Nathan C

@RobM Yeah...our sales portal tosses that error when it feels like it

@HopelessN00b This...is true. Or the "Error text contains the error" and it's blank

Then you search the event ID in hopes that some other unfortunate soul has come across it

cole

Jeez - Solarwinds (monitoring) breaks a lot.

Every time I click on a node:

/tableflip

Nathan C

@cole Have you tried dousing it with gasoline and setting it on fire?

cole

@NathanC I wish - I don't like it for monitoring - too clunky to do things.

Nathan C

I like how when I do the *text* in outlook it bolds it

HopelessN00b

12:17

@cole No kidding. Yet, for some reason, it's a popular monitoring suite.

cole

@HopelessN00b probably price and it's "easy" to use.

Nathan C

I use Nagios...but probably will be changing it eventually.

cole

Especially for small environments.

Interesting: quest.com/migration-manager-for-sharepoint

HopelessN00b

Oh yeah, Dell bought Quest. Another reason to like Dell - Quest's got a lot of good shit.

cole

Quest sure does.

cole

12:33

Does anyone here do VDI? (View, specifically?)

Dan

@cole I specialise in Citrix VDI, but I've only ever done one POC of View many moons ago

cole

Trying to figure out a good product to monitor performance for VDI.

Dan

@cole You have View already?

cole

@Dan yeah we have a sizable View environment

Dan

@cole Check this out

helgeklein.com/uberagent-for-splunk

cole

12:35

we don't have Splunk - too $$

Typical case of "we want all this for $5"

That is pretty freakin' sweet though.

Dan

Yeah, I've not done huge amounts with it but it's very nice and it's becoming something of a standard in the Citrix world at leas

He's a thoroughly nice guy, too

This, too

loginvsi.com

I've not used it, but again, they're good folks and their metrics are being used a lot in Citrix blogs

Mm, actually, no, VSI might not really do what you need

cole

Kinda does

Login VSI does not require any special infrastructure and uses standard Windows based hardware. The software is easy to setup and step by step documentation is available to configure your specific tests in your own environment.

HopelessN00b

Has anyone in here deployed BitLocker? Programmatically?

Dan

@cole Have a play is all I could say, really - I went to a presentation by them but that's all I've done with it

cole

@Dan wish I had the time to just play around.

Half the stuff we stand up is only 25%-30% done because they're like "ok this is kinda working - move on to the next!"

tombull89

12:40

@HopelessN00b our staff laptops are bitlocked on deployment

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 Yeah, I have the pleasure of pushing out Bitlocker to hundreds of existing laptops... can't seem to see much about turning it on and encrypting a drive automagically, such as through a GPO.

jscott

We just script the TPM config and initial encryption. Time that with a notebook re-image and it works Good Enough. We're looking at MBAM, but haven't moved forward with anything there.

HopelessN00b

Ah, well, looks like that's what we'll be doing. Kinda surprising there's not a better way than a short powershell script deployed to all our laptops, but whatever.

Dan

@cole Hey, I don't suppose you'd like to do an experiment for me?

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MichelZ

13:15

FUCKING JAVA

FUCKING ECLIPSE

damn

BigHomie

Hey did anybody ever get to the turtles?

Nathan C

@BigHomie I spent a good half hour scrolling...never got to the turtles.

BigHomie

XD

didn't think so.

MichelZ

I don't get it :)

BigHomie

@HopelessN00b SCCM Task Sequence will get the job done

~~sadly~~ thank goodness I was canned before I could complete such a task

Nathan C

13:24

Hm, splunk has a "free" version

Ouch...it's quite neutered as a freebie, though...

cole

@Dan depends..

Also I had trying to word this message. We don't allow users to save executables on the fileserver - (FSRM blocks them) but I'm not sure how to word "Hey we don't allow this but if you feel you have an exception - please contact us"

Nathan C

Heh, that's nice...apparently CMP stealthily increased their electric billing. Used to be a flat $9.36 for 100 KWh...now it's $10.65 for 50.

So I'm paying $10/month more than last year for the same amount of power

Dan

@cole I'd like to test my piece of software against a VMware View session

Just a client install, nothing funny

cole

13:40

hm

I might be able to do it tomorrow

elbow deep in some other shit right now

33 tickets open and 3 support cases to vendors + my list of projects lol

Dan

Your job sounds fun!

cole

I want to punch myself in the dick.

Probably going to have to open an IBM support case for Domino too

MichelZ

@NathanC good thing then that you got a 20$/m raise!

cole

Time to go sit on the phone with Citrix

Dennis Nolte

@NathanC still way less of what i pay 0,28€/KWh

pauska

13:49

1. Please note that if the A01 BIOS is currently installed on your system you must
first apply the P02 patch (E6410P02.EXE) before upgrading to this BIOS.
P02 BIOS link: dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/…
2. Please note that if the A08 or before A08 BIOS is currently installed on your system
you must first update to A09 BIOS and then flash to the latest A-rev BIOS.
A09 BIOS link: dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/DriverDetails?driverId=CK5MK
3. Please note that if the A10 or before A10 BIOS is currently installed on your system

how very efficient, Dell...

Dennis Nolte

@pauska at least they link the bios and you do not have to search every version yourself.

Bob

@DennisNolte Hey, the links actually work!

Nathan C

@DennisNolte Damn...my bill was $84.70 for 556 KWh. They charge a delivery and actual usage fees

Gas does the same thing, so it makes it pretty confusing...

heh, the website for the power company has a redirect loop...

my login timed out, but I can't get back to the login page

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