The Comms Room

Bob

00:01

@MichaelHampton I feel Windows Installer would be used more if it wasn't such a fucking pain in the arse to do so.

Michael Hampton

Uh oh... I smell a developer.

@MichaelHampton: Do tell. As I said, I can't recall seeing a single one in the last 10-15 years. Even some of the ridiculous candy-apple installers like Asus AI Suite still uses MSI under the hood (as evidenced by its appearance under Add/Remove Programs). What highly-essential IT or business software does not use Windows Installer at some level? — Aaronaught 3 mins ago

Bob

> as evidenced by its appearance under Add/Remove Programs

...except it's perfectly possible to add non-MSI uninstallers there

heck, not just possible, pretty much all of them do so

Michael Hampton

Yay, I finally have a successful build. Now to see if it actually works.

Jacob

@MichaelHampton What?

Michael Hampton

@Jacob It's Asterisk built for EL7

Jacob

00:12

@MichaelHampton nice

Mark Henderson

ebay is trying to run silverlight on the logon page

Something smells suss there...

Bob

o.O

Michael Hampton

"If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces."

Bob

Oh yea, did anyone else have YouTube suddenly start trying to load the Nvidia 3D Vision plugin?

Mark Henderson

@Bob I did not...

Bob

00:18

=> sevenforums.com/browsers-mail/… :S

Mark Henderson

> This is something that just started happening to me as well, when I updated Firefox to version 32.0.1.

I mostly use Chrome for my YouTubing

Bob

ah

Falcon Momot

Aah, new displays are so nice

it has displayport in instead of dvi, and lots of pixels, and most importantly doesn't make popping sounds when I plug it in.

Journeyman Geek

steals @FalconMomot's display and replaces it with a 10 inch monitor.

Falcon Momot

sets @JourneymanGeek in 17" of concrete

Journeyman Geek

00:29

(actually, lovely, very useful thing. And has PAF, unlike one of those korean IPS screens I've wanted for ages)

And, I'm trolling some hipster dev with my alternate facebook identity. Man, I must be bored.

Bob

o.O

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek PAF?

Journeyman Geek

Parental Acceptance factor. WAF equivalent for unmarried blokes living with their parents.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Gotcha

When I get my own workshop/shed the WAF will be irrelevant

I have a shed but it's too small to do anything except store stuff in

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek the korean IPSes are a lot more expensive now

@JourneymanGeek I picked up a benq with better specs locally for about the same price

Mark Henderson

00:38

@FalconMomot Supply and demand at its best

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson yup.

they also don't cost $1000 locally now

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: there's still 300ish USD models floating around with free shipping

Mark Henderson

I bought an Acer 24" IPS about 12 months ago for about $270

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek yeah I paid a bit more than that

Journeyman Geek

Or I'll save up once I get a job, not pussyfoot around and get a 4K ;p

Bob

00:39

@JourneymanGeek Wait, are you talking 24" or 27"? 1920x1080?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: QHD

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...that means nothing to me

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek You can buy elcheapo 30Hz 4K TV's for cheap(ish) now.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: Yeah, though apparently practical display quality varies hugely

Mark Henderson

As a TV it would suck but as a working monitor or display it would be fine. Wouldn't wanna game on it though

kogan.com/au/buy/55-agora-4k-smart-3d-led-tv-uhd

Falcon Momot

00:41

I think I'm going to do a little gaming on this. Off to TF2!

Bob

I gave up trying to remember those initialisms somewhere between WQXGA+, WHUXGA and WTFISTHIS

Mark Henderson

@Bob Back to simplicity. Everyone roll back to VGA

Journeyman Geek

2560x1440

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ah.

Oh yea, there's QHD and then there's qHD. Fun.

@MarkHenderson Weren't people saying the Kogan TVs are crap?

Mark Henderson

@Bob I say that

I have three of them

Bob

00:42

o.O

Mark Henderson

But for the right application they are suitable

I have a 21" in my kitchen that has terrible speakers and two dead pixles out of the box, but it was like $100 and does what I want

I have a 40" in a boardroom where it's used for video conferencing only, and the speakers are not used (they come out of the conference station)

Journeyman Geek

(current monitors are 1600x900 20" and 1280x800 (which may be IPS, but I doubt) 10 inches

Mark Henderson

And I have a 55" that's used as a screen display mounted at the back of a church so the people on the stage can get auto queues. Again, no audio, just needs to be bright

Journeyman Geek

but the 10 inch screen is pretty nice. usabilitywise.

Bob

You can sometimes find nice monitors from Dell refurbished (the "as new" ones haven't ever been shipped out, canceled orders)

Journeyman Geek

00:45

@MarkHenderson: monitor speakers suck dead donkeyballs

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Kogan ones especially

Journeyman Geek

and I don't say this as a audiophile ;p

Bob

About $100-$200 cheaper than from the normal site...

Mark Henderson

And the Kogans take 2-3 seconds to change channel and abotu 10 seconds for the EPG to catch up

Bob

That's ridiculous.

...not that I really expected anything else.

Journeyman Geek

00:45

@MarkHenderson: I've never heard one that didn't sound like utter shite. I suppose TVs have better ones but....

Mark Henderson

So yeah they are rubbish TVs, but I'm only actually using one of them as a TV and I didn't want to put an expensive one there because it gets steamed on, spat on by oil, fluffed with flour, etc

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Practically The dells are probably what I'd get if I had the cash

They are great, I have a older full HD one and its reliable, and fairly decent.

Bob

I can't remember the last time I intentionally looked at a TV, let alone actually watched it.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Our TV is awesome

(also a dinosaur)

It only does 640x480. But its a big old plasma screen

Bob

@JourneymanGeek How's the burn-in? :P

Mark Henderson

00:50

@JourneymanGeek I remember them

Circa '03 I used to sell them

Massive (for the time) 32" plasmas

People would buy them and then return them saying "omg it sucks when I hook my computer up to it" because they only had a 640x480 (or lower!) capability

And they were about $2,000 at the time

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Suprisingly? None at all

Bob

@MarkHenderson Then there was the time I thought it would be a good idea to hook up a laptop to a CRT TV.

The answer: "no".

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: heh. You remember the sith monitor?

Mark Henderson

@Bob Oh yeah I remember my old video card had an S-Video and a Composite Video output

Journeyman Geek

The one I threw out cause it was firing sparks from the VGA port?

Oh, our plasma has a VGA input

Mark Henderson

00:54

Never could get the S-Video to work and the composite one used to offset the image in totally the wrong spot

And then when my Dad bought a 16:9 CRT (one of the rare few, he spent a small fortune on it), the PC had no knowledge at all of widescreen so it was stuck stretching the screen

Bob

blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2014/09/09/10556049.aspx => the responses from various blogs and "news" sites... wow.

Mark Henderson

Journeyman Geek

I do recall lowe still sells insanely expensive TVs ;p

Bob

:17786228 "will post to Australia" that'll cost many times more than the TV

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

00:58

probably more than a new LCD one

Journeyman Geek

There was someone on RA who was looking at buying an old broadcast monitor

Mark Henderson

@Bob I remmeber that Ctrl Alt Delete screen from 3.1

Bob

we had a widescreen CRT TV. Laptop was also widescreen. Of course the video out didn't work (properly) anyway.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: Might work better nowadays. Set up a custom xrandr resolution and all ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Still have the laptop, but the TV disappeared a while ago. Also nfi where the cable went...

Mark Henderson

01:07

Woo wife just called me to say that our roof is finished being painted

Been waiting over 2 years to get that roof painted

Journeyman Geek

grrr

Mark Henderson

01:27

Geeze how is it nearly midday already?

Time flies when you're busy trying not to suck

Michael Hampton

02:06

@ewwhite You're way out of the loop...

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Doesn't apply to me.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I thought you used puppet?

ewwhite

I do.

but my shit isn't that complex.

Michael Hampton

Aha, right.

Mine isn't either, but I still use it to mangle module dependencies

Which it's a lot better at than librarian-puppet

MichelZ

04:20

good morning

Mark Henderson

@MichelZ Whoah today is just flying by

I know it's getting into the afternoon when you're here

MichelZ

:)

Mark Henderson

If @iain shows up soon then I'm totally screwed, means my whole day is gone

MichelZ

I'm actually up early today

Iain needs another hour or so

:)

Ry Jones

05:02

Screwed up and slept from about 5 to about 9. Now I'm fucked

Dennis Kaarsemaker

05:22

g'morning

Mark Henderson

05:36

I love our rubbish room. Found a working top-of-the-line Dymo label printer

OK not quite top of the line, but it has a USB interface for bulk labelling

MichelZ

05:52

you have a room just for rubbish?!

Australians!

You have too much space

Mark Henderson

@MichelZ A large one

it is an office building

There were boxes for two 65" curved LED TV's down there, so someone's been upgrading their offices

MichelZ

nice!

Mark Henderson

I also scored a colour laser with a full set of toners from there. Only problem with it was that the toner drawer was jammed. Some brute force unjammed it and it's been perfect since

Another guy in our building has scored entire servers, about a dozen LCD screens (there were two down there today but I have no interest in them, I literally have 7 spare LCD screens in the office at the moment)

He scored a box full of Dictaphone branded gear that he basically picked up and sold on ebay straight away for a profit

MichelZ

lol

Bob

@MarkHenderson "another guy" :P

MichelZ

05:59

so you guys just throw money out of the window?

nice company

can you give me the name? I'm sure we can do business with you guys :D

Mark Henderson

@Bob Apart from you and me nobody else would know who he was

@MichelZ There are a bunch of companies in this building

Bob

@MarkHenderson Eh, there was a community ad for him over at electronics.se, I think.

MichelZ

Ah, that's the throw-away-room for all companies?

Mark Henderson

It's a generic office building, there's 5 different companies (including a beauty parlor right next door to us, it's weird) just on this floor

@Bob Yeah there was, I remember seeing it

@MichelZ Yeah

MichelZ

ok, cool

Mark Henderson

06:00

@MichelZ And 99% of the shit in there is empty boxes, paper for recycling, and office rubbish bags

But every now and again you score

Bob

My previous place was mostly restaurants... rubbish room just stunk, not much interesting stuff there :P

Mark Henderson

@Bob I've been going into the rubbish room here for years, but never paid any attention until I saw what Dave was scoring

It fucking stinks down there so I usually got in and out as quickly as possible

Ry Jones

06:15

►

MichelZ

@Wesley Hey punk

Wesley

06:56

@MichelZ Suck it, nerd.

@ewwhite @freiheit @Iain Someone thump this guy:

@Nonapeptide Actually is safer. Guy tried to kill me with car one morning. I saw, and rode up and across lawn, and he just missed me.

Tweeted by GeneticSequence on September 22, 2014 at 6:14 AM in reply to Nonapeptide

Riding against traffic is safer because this one time this one guy saw someone who almost hit him and was able to swerve out of the way.

faker

morning

Iain

G'day

Ry Jones

I always ride or walk against traffic

what's the counter argument?

Wesley

@RyJones All traffic laws are against you. Turns. Lights. Signs.

Ry Jones

07:12

@Wesley still not seeing the issue, whatever

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley I'm pretty sure local traffic laws encourage riding against traffic

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek In singapore? Odd.

MichelZ

Singapore has LAWS?

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ yes. Amazingly we give people a trial before we beat their asses with canes.

Wesley

@MichelZ In Singapore, the concept of "law" is defined as anything that allows the government to cane someone's ass. That's their fetish.

Iain

07:21

Some people and Monday mornings go together so well

> Things that are missing in your question: Your actual config. Your actual domain name. Any knowledge about mailservers, RFC 5321 and 5322, and what a bounce message looks like.

MichelZ

monday people?

Ry Jones

@MichelZ somebody's got a case of the Mondays

Wesley

@Iain sigh Now you make me go and post stalk you to find the actual comment.

Ry Jones

►

MichelZ

@Wesley yeah, was thinking the same

:)

Iain

07:22

@Wesley here serverfault.com/questions/630228/maillog-filled-with-spam

MichelZ

gone :(

Iain

@MichelZ yeah the OP spat the dummy

Ry Jones

so this says I only get 40 downvotes a day: serverfault.com/help/badges/150/vox-populi

but I downvoted like two pages of shit before it gave me an "out of votes" error yesterday, and that's at 50 questions a page

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley now now. It also allows for imprisonment, hanging and fining :p

Wesley

@RyJones If a question is deleted, you get that vote back, but the spent vote counts for your record.

I see myself get 41, 42, or 43 votes spent a day sometimes.

Never seen quite that many votes regained from deletions though.

Ry Jones

07:27

@Wesley I see. I'm using the "old shit" query that was posted here to try to clean things up

Wesley

@RyJones Nice. Yeah I did that for a bit but got bored.

I have the attention span of a gnat.

Ry Jones

@Wesley I'm tempted to write some javascript to automate it

set up a flotilla of sock puppets (since those are A OK, apparently) and farm the job out to Mechanical Turk

Wesley

Jul 11 '13 at 16:48, by WesleyDavid

Who wants to make an office pool to fund Mechanical Turk into a VTC / VTD project? =)

Ry Jones

so I gave in an ordered a gaming desktop since gaming on OS X sucks so bad.

Wesley

@RyJones Nice!

Ry Jones

07:31

@Wesley it feels dirty, since it comes with Windows 8, but it'll be nice to get more than 20 frames a second

Wesley

Yeah, I've been itching to build a gaming rig since my last one.

Want to play all the cool games.

I'm so behind.

I want to play through the Dead Space series.

@RyJones What's your first game gonna be that you crank up on it?

Ry Jones

@Wesley ah something a decade old, actually.

Day of Defeat: Source

Day of Defeat: Source is a team-based first-person shooter multiplayer video game developed by Valve Corporation. Set in World War II, the game is an updated version of Day of Defeat, moving from the GoldSrc engine used by its predecessor to the Source engine. The game was released for Microsoft Windows on 26 September 2005, distributed through Valve's online content delivery service Steam. Retail distribution of the game was handled by Electronic Arts. The game was officially announced in February 2005. During the course of its development, Day of Defeat: Source progressed from being a straight...

Wesley

@RyJones Neat

Ry Jones

@Wesley yeah, I scrim with a clan in .au so that will be first. I really bought the PC because I want to get my DK2 running tf2 and hl2.

I bought (and returned) a MBP with a 755m GPU because of weak FPS

Wesley

Heh, TF2 is like 90% of my Steam time played.

HL1 and 2 are 8%

The other 2% are me spent clicking on games I got in a bundle and muttering "The hell is this crap?"

Ry Jones

07:36

yeah, I have a lot of "why not" games purchased

I really wanted to like papers, please, but it gets boring after a while

Wesley

Roqhard was fun for Christmas Eve

Sorry, Rochard

Ry Jones

steamcommunity.com/id/elwbarf

Wesley

Stupid name

Rochard

Rochard is a science fiction platform game available for the PlayStation 3 through the PlayStation Network, for Microsoft Windows, Linux and Mac OS X through the Steam online distribution platform, and for Linux as part of the Humble Indie Bundle 6. Developed by Recoil Games, the game revolves around the manipulation of gravity and the use of a G-Lifter, a gravity device used to easily move heavy objects around. The title combines increasingly challenging environmental puzzles with action, humor and a story of rich twists. The game's launch dates for the PlayStation Network were September 27, 2011...

Bob

@RyJones I need to try that one sometime.

Ry Jones

@Bob DK2? DoD:S? Alcohol?

Bob

07:38

@RyJones Well, DoD specifically, but the others won't hurt!

Wesley

A'ight spunk collectors, I'm off to bed.

Ry Jones

@Bob I like it very much, but it's pretty dated at this point. It does run pretty well on lame hardware (like I have), though.

Bob

@RyJones Eh, I was on CS1.6 up till... 2013? Now on CS:GO. Not exactly the newest games or the best graphics :P

Chopper3

07:55

morning all

tombull89

08:11

is it Friday yet?

Iain

@tombull89 you want to hate people some more ?

Dan

08:52

Would anyone like to come and do my work for me?

Iain

@Dan I know nothing about Citrix so I guess that makes me perfectly qualified by today's standards

5

Dan

@Iain Sure does!

tombull89

@Iain heh

I bought two domains of gandi.net yesterday - one of the best, easiest bits of shopping I have ever done.

Don't know why I've not used them before.

AliGibbs

Where would I ask a SIP/Phone based question?

pauska

@AliGibbs There isn't a site dedicated to telecom, so it could fit both on serverfault and on network engineering

what is the question about?

AliGibbs

09:05

Its actually a very "simple" one, how do you dial a sip address ([email protected]) from a deskphone (Polycom 321)

MichelZ

@AliGibbs that's for superuser.com, I think

Bob

Nope.

MichelZ

Nope!

AliGibbs

nope?

Dan

Am I the only one who gets really stressed when deleting or removing anything on a live system.

For example, today, I've been asked to get rid of some old data-stores belonging on a to-be-decommissioned SAN and I'm feeling super paranoid and nervous about it

It's not even an unfamiliar environment - I built it!

AliGibbs

09:14

@Dan always backup everything, never delete anything

Dennis Nolte

@Dan just put it in the archives, remove it from live, and wait until the archive is not accesable anymore. Then someone will need that data.. regardless how often they tell you they do not..

MichelZ

@Dan yeah, unmount the store first, wait at least a week... if no one screams, it's probably safe. (and do a "final-backup")

Dan

@DennisNolte :D

And @AliGibbs good words. @MichelZ Exactly what I'm doing

AliGibbs

I had a request last week for some data from 6 months ago, that, "we will never need again"

MichelZ

@AliGibbs tell them "I have it stored somewhere external, unfortunately, we do not have the equipment to read it. It costs us 20k$ to read the data. Are you willing to pay that?"

:)

Dennis Nolte

09:33

oh that is great, i was tasked with doing some research/enabling a particular hardware for our devices. Turns it it works out of the box because of my previous work.

2 weeks saved by previous me, thank you for that!

AliGibbs

@MichelZ I am so going to do that next time :D

MichelZ

@DennisNolte I usually have it the other way around. "That shit? That's a problem for future-me!"

Dennis Nolte

i had this previously a lot, and it allways did bit me back later (technical debt and all)
as i am lazy as fuck i dislike the idea of doing things twice.. so i automate everything, or at least give my future me hints+ some docs on what actually needs to be done.

@MichelZ both of this resulted in me doing most of my scripting/work with the mindset : i dislike the idea of having to think about this crap again, so lets write down anything i figured out already.

Journeyman Geek

@Dan I ~~regret~~ delete nothing!

MichelZ

@DennisNolte yes. that sounds like a good plan

Dennis Nolte

09:40

makes it nice, but introduces the problem: where the fuck is that damned piece of documentation for the shit i did 3 years ago.. and just need right now..

Journeyman Geek

I have backups of systems I decommissioned years ago :p

@DennisNolte good documentation should be organised.

tombull89

storage is cheap, and I'd rather not have the "aww...fuck" moment when I realise I've not longer got anything.

Dennis Nolte

@JourneymanGeek ye, thats where the technical debt gets burned for :)

faker

free spam flag: serverfault.com/questions/630268

tombull89

Grated that's happened twice, once it wasn't actually that important, and the other was within a zip file.

@faker huh, spam for msn.com That's a new one.

@JourneymanGeek My documentation is semi-organised...

okay, barely

Dennis Nolte

09:44

@tombull89 we even have a wiki where we spam all the stuff, sadly i need to maintain too much stuff to actually link the new pages to the index.

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89 I used to have a personal wiki for that.

tombull89

I considered a wiki, but now I just use Everything (local search engine)

Journeyman Geek

I use my blog now, or g+ :p

tombull89

dammit missed the flag

AliGibbs

We use Confluence here, expensive but pretty good

MichelZ

09:52

sharepoint

tombull89

-1

Q: How Do you set up a network with a Domain Controller server and a server running Exchange?

We want to set up a network that has both a Windows 2012 R2 Standard Domain Controller and a Windows 2008 R2 Standard server that'll handle Exchange. Besides adding the Exchange server to the domain, we're not really sure what to do. Does anyone know how to install/configure the Exchange server...

Am I missing something here?

AliGibbs

signup for gmail.com, £3 per user per month, problem solved

tombull89

10:12

So where should we ask this question then? — Walter Klein 3 mins ago

Yahoo! Answers?

AliGibbs

A recruiters?

Dennis Nolte

@tombull89 /dev/null

RobM

11:56

0

Q: Exchange Powershell - Creating Distribution Groups

I'm trying to add some new distribution lists to exchange using the below. C:\>Import-CSV "c:\external.csv" | foreach {New-DistributionGroup -Name $_.name -Type $_.Type} I've created a CSV file in the format Name, Type Inter_Partners, Distribution When I run the above command I ge...

exchange-2010 powershell

Am I missing a simple typo in what he's doing or am I being dumb some other way here?

Iain

@RobM You need to ask ?

RobM

I need more time off. Like about a year

Iain

I was in Pembrokeshire last week today is ... yeah

RobM

Its taking me time to learn powershell inside out, god only knows, but at least I'm comfortable with the idea of scripting as a concept from *nix scripting and things like vbscript. I think there are lots of Windows sysadmins out there who think powershell is actually just magical spells like a sysadmin version of harry potter or something.

your first day back? winces

always a train wreck

Bob

@RobM You're saying it isn't? :(

RobM

12:02

well I did try adding -levirosa merchandising opportunitus to one of my powershell scripts once and all my sql servers caught fire so...

cole

sup

Dennis Nolte

@RobM i assume you are familiar with windows scripting host then aswell? the sendkeys stuff there was kinda messy.

RobM

@cole hey

cole

@RobM how goes?

RobM

@DennisNolte actually less familiar and comfortable with that than I am with Powershell. We used wsh for a few things before powershell took off, but my relationship with it was best described as an armed truce

not bad and you?

tombull89

12:11

@RobM haha, I laughed at that more than I should do.

RobM

?

tombull89

powershell being a funny beast. powerful, but funny.

They want me to take on SCCM here which involves WMI, Powershell, VB and batch scripting...

BigHomie

@RobM Powershell scripts are magical spells, sysadmins being the sorcerers.

Dan

@tombull89 WMI is actually super useful once you get a few template scripts on the go

RobM

sccm is good stuff. Good, CV-enhancing stuff

BigHomie

12:14

RobM

@BigHomie could be...

Dennis Nolte

@RobM and wars are just methods to lower the needed cpu cycles?

RobM

@DennisNolte pretty much.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

12:30

We lost the documentation on quantum mechanics. You'll have to decode the regexes yourself.

MichelZ

@DennisKaarsemaker PERL! Are there still people out there who use that?

Michael Hampton

@MichelZ Yes, there are, but they usually don't admit it publicly.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MichelZ all our stuff is in perl :)

MichelZ

@DennisKaarsemaker Are you from the past?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

workingatbooking.com/vacancies/perl-developer

@MichelZ we also send half a million faxes per day. You be the judge.

tombull89

12:34

I find it odd when websites have separate websites for jobs. What's wrong with domain.com/jobs?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@tombull89 different tech stack. Externally hosted.

Michael Hampton

Come on, you can't write a jobs site in perl?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

something about core business

Michael Hampton

Oh, so HR owns the website, then?

pauska

hnnngh.. needed a usb thumb stick reformatted quick, and forgot to select quick format

MichelZ

12:37

@DennisKaarsemaker so you can't redirect /jobs to another webserver? sigh :)

pauska

it's amazing how slow these old thumb drives are..

MichelZ

@pauska remove it forcefully, format again

Michael Hampton

Just pull it out. No need for excessive force.

ewwhite

/home/ubuntu/servers-scripts/monitoring/more_than_40_users_in_dev_db.py

Michael Hampton

Markdown strikes again!

MichelZ

12:39

@MichaelHampton that is a forceful remove. gracefully = "Click here to remove this device"

no need for "physical" force

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Hey, you know Puppet Enterprise right?

Dan

Always intriguing to be included on invoices that include your services + markup

ewwhite

yes

MichelZ

@DennisKaarsemaker the job site looks better than the main site

maybe you should outsource the main site

:)

Dan

@MichaelHampton I'm not sure if you're new here, Michael, but there is always a need for excessive force

Michael Hampton

12:41

I just updated my local PE from 3.3.1 to 3.3.2. Now I'm trying to update the agents. I looked at the PE repos and they all seem to have been updated, but the agents... no. I ran mco package update pe-agent and their versions are remaining on 3.3.1.

tombull89

dammit.

I need to stop looking at computer bits I can't afford and don't need.

MichelZ

@tombull89 look at computer nibbles or bytes instead

or get a job

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Not pe-puppet?

Summary of Arch:

   noarch = 124

Summary of Ensure:

     3.3.1.1-1.pe.el6 = 56
   3.2.4.pe1-1.pe.el6 = 38
   3.2.4.pe1-1.pe.el5 = 21
     3.3.1.1-1.pe.el4 = 5
     3.3.1.1-1.pe.el5 = 4

I actually don't update the agents.

I should

but puppet enterprise agents are actually a bitch to deal with

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite The docs said to update pe-agent.

tombull89

@MichelZ :|

ewwhite

12:45

@MichaelHampton I don't have a pe-agent package

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I sure do!

Ooooo, the yumrepo is still pointed at 3.3.1!

ewwhite

I have an agent install script that I was using. Back when I started, there was no repo

Michael Hampton

Supposedly these pe_repo::whatever classes are supposed to generate (they do) and update (they don't?) the yumrepos containing the agents.

@ewwhite puppetlabs.com/blog/…

I find it ironic that PE requires so much manual babysitting...

ewwhite

right?

cole

Playing Domino admin today hnnggg

Michael Hampton

12:56

@ewwhite I can't just upgrade the master through a yumrepo. The agent yumrepos are version locked and not actually managed by Puppet. WTF?

ewwhite

Think it's puppet trying to protect it?

or just laziness?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Someone missed the point, perhaps?

Oh well, at least now I have proof that Puppet Enterprise is actually enterprisey.

ewwhite

FOr me, having puppet-enterprise be a 300mb download....

that's a bitch

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