The Comms Room

Holocryptic

15:00

Vendor called LaserShip. That's just cool.

Chris S

That e-mail that looked like a 419 Scam yesterday. I e-mail her back, just trying to be courteous and let them know their e-mail looks like a scam and that they should probably rethink their wording... She called me just now. What part of "not interested" said "call me"?

Holocryptic

@ChrisS The part where you emailed her back with your phone number.

:)

Chris S

A hazard of having it in my signature I suppose.

Holocryptic

@ChrisS Next time, configure your phone system with a throw away number, and put that in your sig. Have the phone system forward that number to a 1-900 number.

Jacob

@Holocryptic LULZ

Holocryptic

15:09

indeed. Much lulz will be had.

voretaq7

@Holocryptic a dirty 1-900 number

or 1-800-cow-dung (NSFW -- VERY VERY NSFW)

Holocryptic

hahaaha

Jacob

@voretaq7 Hi Chris this is Blah from Useless Vendor..... Wait WHAT AHHH {Deity} Thats AWEFUL BYE ASS HOLE.....

voretaq7

@Jacob heh, you called it I see?

Jacob

@voretaq7 Nope

voretaq7

15:14

IDK what it is now, but back in college it was an 800 number that gave you a bunch of 900 numbers for gay phonesex. Absolutely hilarious.

Chris S

humorhotlines.com/rejectionhotline.asp

Holocryptic

@ChrisS That's awesome. I have the Vegas based hotline stored in my phone.

Chris S

I had the local one memorized at one point in time... Long ago...

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic I think you mean, "We'll jump that bridge when the river fires burn it down."

Holocryptic

@ScottPack Good old fire water... Wait, are we talking about the same thing?

voretaq7

15:18

@Holocryptic Hydraulic fracturing?

hobodave

:D

someone forgot to throttle us to 2 Mbit up/down

send me your porn

8

voretaq7

►

@hobodave And THAT goes on the wall.

Jacob

@hobodave but thats office? no?

voretaq7

can we get that pinned? :P

hobodave

:P

voretaq7

15:20

that's better.

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 He was trying to set the water on fire. It's totally his own fault.

SmallClanger

@Holocryptic Definitely. There's hydrogen and oxygen in that stuff, it'll go up like nobody's business.

2

voretaq7

@Holocryptic MSDS for water: "Extremely flammable. Extinguishing media: DO NOT USE WATER."

2

Scott Pack

ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

Holocryptic

@ScottPack $50,000 in damage!!!! gasp

Scott Pack

15:24

I think you're missing the part where the river caught fire

SmallClanger

Sounds like the Ankh in Ankh Morpork.

Holocryptic

@ScottPack No, I caught that part. I got one better: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster

"Died by syrup"

Scott Pack

Yeah, that's pretty badass

voretaq7

sigh

0

Q: Reasons to avoid routing traffic through NOC

I work in a small satellite office of a large corporation. They would like to change our routing structure so all our internet data bounces off their main NOC. They say this is to prevent intrusions and to monitor our traffic. My office would rather not have our traffic monitored and possibly ...

I don't like my company's new network policy - help me whine about it to my boss

@Holocryptic Cause of death: Drowned in molasses. Literally.

hobodave

@Jacob yep

voretaq7

15:30

@ScottPack I think all of Ohio missed the part where " This was not the first time that the river had caught on fire "

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Yeah, there's that too. Oh those crazy buckeyes

hobodave

for the record, pfsense has been an absolute nightmare

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 Meh, the river was probably dressed all slutty and asking for it.

Shane Madden

@hobodave Why's that?

hobodave

nothing has gone right, it's ridiculously complex, poorly documented, and buggy

I just upgraded the firmware, and now the web UI isn't running

gonna have to disassemble and wipe the flash again

retarded, absolutely retarded

voretaq7

15:37

@hobodave I think a lot of that has to do with the Alix box -- you shouldn't be having problems with simple upgrades though

Stack Exchange

The Nubby SysAdmin: MegaPath’s Tech Talk Video Contest has Been Extended!

posted on August 19, 2011 by Wesley David

Recently I mentioned a certain contest run by MegaPath called the Tech Talk Video Contest. It has just been announced that the contest is still running and has been extended to September 19, 2011. The prize pool has been raised to $37,500USD in total cash prizes and the first prize has been raised to $14,000USD. [...]

Holocryptic

@hobodave Have you tried turning it off and on again?

hobodave

twice, I will try a third time

voretaq7

@hobodave what sucks is you don't have a serial console & that box doesn't have VGA/keyboard :-/

hobodave

and none of my SIP phones work at all behind this router

voretaq7

15:40

@hobodave hmm, that definitely shouldn't happen, but SIP is a pain in the ass protocol. Are you VOIP-to-VOIP or VOIP-to-PSTN?

hobodave

lol

3rd time is the charm

I don't know

our PBX is hosted

so is our TFTP boot server

the phones connect to the TFTP boot server just fine, download the configuration just fine

they resolve DNS queries just fine, they even set their time via NTP just fine

After all that, nothing happens. No traffic comes from the phones to the interface

voretaq7

mmh - SIP-through-NAT

hobodave

it's like it doesn't even try

we've tried using siproxd on the pfsense as well

they don't even attempt to register with the local address 172.22.200.1 if configured

voretaq7

that's.... well have you ever had your testicles caught in a rusty bear trap? with a bear?
SIP through NAT hurts more than that...

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hobodave

it worked at the old office

voretaq7

15:43

what was your configuration there? I assume the phones were NAT'd there too right?

hobodave

and that can't be that uncommon a scenario. I doubt enterprises give WAN addresses to their phones

yes, they were natted and configured to register with an Edgemarc router that provided an ALG

we've tried 3 different methods to get this working

1) phones attempting to register directly with providers NAT aware PBX

2) phones attempt to register with providers NAT aware PBX with an intercepting ALG proxy enabled (siproxd)

and 3) phones attmept to register directly with ALG locally

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 You've had your balls caught in a rusty bear trap? AND dealt with SIP through NAT? You've led a fuller life than I, that's for sure.

hobodave

I've moved the phones into the data VLAN too just in case

voretaq7

sounds like it's time to break out tcpdump and see what the phones are doing... I'd say start by using the ALG proxy the same way you did at the old office if you can and see what the traffic does

It's possible it's a rule in pfsense but my gut says "SIP, NAT, Pain, Suffering, KILLMENOW"

hobodave

we don't have the ALG proxy, it wasn't our device

we just have a single router, and I already did a packet capture, it doesn't even attempt to do anything

and I can't capture from the phone

SmallClanger

15:50

(sticking my oar in) port mirroring on the switch?

hobodave

I have no experience with that, but I think it has that capability

it does

would I mirror the phone port to my workstation?

Jacob

@hobodave To see whats going on talk wise between the phone and server

MarkM

@hobodave If you want to run the packet cap from your workstation, sure

Holocryptic

When did Firefox go to version 6?

hobodave

I understand the concept @Jacob

SmallClanger

15:53

Yep, plug phone into switch, configure switch to mirror its port to another port, plug that port into laptop/workstation (perferably a 2nd port)

MarkM

@Holocryptic officially, the 16th

SmallClanger

You can then wireshark the port as if it were the port the phone were connected to.

Holocryptic

@MarkM Is this part of the whole "Lets be like Google" thing?

Jacob

@hobodave read fail why != would. sorry

MarkM

@Holocryptic Yeah. It's a major version number, only 3 days old, and being pushed through the autoupdate channel to 5.x users

Holocryptic

15:55

Browsers are starting to piss me off

James

@Holocryptic It's part of the "Let's not take years to release each new version of Firefox" thing.

MarkM

The linux kernel is 25 years old, and it JUST went v3

Nothing wrong with low version numbers

SmallClanger

@MarkM: Only 20, shurely? </pedant>

MarkM

My bad

:)

Firefox 1.x > 2 meant a lot. 2.x > 3 was even better. 3 > 4 was cool. 4 > 5 was like uhhhhhh what? 5 > 6 is me saying "Did they misnumber 5.0.2?"

Holocryptic

Got a new laptop. Trying to wade through all the bloatware now

James

15:59

They missed the original release date for 4 by what? six months?

SmallClanger

It's not like they've massively accelerated their dev cycle. They've just said that what would have been 4.2.3 -> 4.2.3p1 ->4.2.3p2 is now 4 -> 5 -> 6. Then they stare at your with that same, serenely vacant smile you get from Mormons.

James

I thought the big deal was that the alpha/beta versions were getting out to testers more quickly.

voretaq7

@Holocryptic ::cough::ShoulddaGottaMac::sneeze::

James

I have UDP & TCP port 53 unblocked in iptables. but name resolution is taking a long time. I don't get it.

voretaq7

@James open ports != speed

James

16:12

@voretaq7 right, but when i set the default policy to ALLOW, i don't have this problem.

voretaq7

@James hmmmm

tcpdump and firewall logs time for you too!

(I think that's going to be my mantra for the day :-)

((that and "Blame canada!"))

3

@James where in the ruleset is the allow :53 rule? maybe it's way down the chain?

James

It's at the top. And even way down the chain shouldn't add 20 seconds of lag.

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 rhinoden.rangerup.com/ein-parachute-problem-numer-zwei awesome blame Canada story

voretaq7

@James 20 seconds sounds like the first server you're trying isn't working. Try manually querying you DNS servers and make sure they all respond?

Holocryptic

16:41

@voretaq7 Quiet, you fanboi

voretaq7

@Holocryptic no no, "stockholder" :-)

it's LIKE a fanboi, but it makes a profit!

James

*profit not guaranteed

voretaq7

@James well not anymore. Back when AAPL was dirt cheap it was virtually guaranteed :-)

Holocryptic

I wonder if IE gets butthurt when you download Chrome...

Let's try

voretaq7

@Holocryptic AIEEEEE was born butthurt. That's why it's called AIEEEEEEE

sysadmin bliss: I haven't had a chance to actually look at my environment (do my real job) since January. I took a few minutes today to check on things.The board is green, and everything is operating normally.

James

16:55

so the dns is sending replies on high port numbers. so i let anything from the dns ip through. and it's still slow.

voretaq7

@James what does your DNS rule look like?

(and what firewall are you using?)

ErikA

@hobodave are you running 2.0-RC3?

James

Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
target     prot opt source               destination
ACCEPT     all  --  192.168.1.16         0.0.0.0/0

iptables

voretaq7

if your DNS results are coming back over TCP you need to make sure your rules keep state (or equivalent in your firewall)

James

like, new, established, or related?

Chris S

17:03

TCP connections start in a "new" state, your firewall (if stateful) can allow the new connections only, then statefully allow subsequent communication from that tcp session (usually via another rule which does a table lookup of existing connections).

This disallows certain types of attacks, usually involving replay or MITM or something similar.

voretaq7

lunching, bbiaf

James

it doesn't look like iptables cares about packet state unless you explicitly define it in a rule

Aaron

I need a "you're holding it wrong" button for some of these old junk questions

Chopper3

wow - setting up those HSMs hasn't been as straightforward as I'd expected

Chopper3

17:31

love this site - rent middle class people; taskrabbit.com

Holocryptic

@Chopper3 LOL. Wait in line at DMV

Chopper3

it'd be good to get people to wait in line for the iphone 5, fucked if I'm ever queuing up for anything like that again

pauska

sorry if this offends you Phil, but I've never understood why anyone would queue in lines to buy a phone

Holocryptic

I queued in line for Halo 2. It was a glorious day.

queue is such a funny word. It should be que. or kyoo.

MarkM

Or cue...wait a second.

Chopper3

17:45

@pauska well it was for an ipad 2 tbh, but no, me neither, just got caught up in it - I was wrong - I could handle the wait, it was the blue-shirts getting too worked up and excited at the end that pissed me off

Holocryptic

When I look at "queue", in my head I think it should sound like "kyoo-yoo", or "kyou-you" even.

James

18:22

I pronounced it "qway" when I first saw it.

Shane Madden

¿que?

Ward

Quay is pronounced "kee"

English is really straightforward...

Shane Madden

Yeah I just felt like adding to the semantic mess ;)

Iain

G'day

Scott Pack

G'day!

Shane Madden

18:27

@Iain Morning! How goes it?

Iain

evening ! a bit tired done a bit of driving today

Aaron

19:14

0

Q: Exchange 2007: Prevent Users from Deleting or Moving a Folder

Need a solution for preventing my users from being able to move or delete their "Inbox\Archive No Delete" folder. This is a subfolder of the Inbox which is created by a third party application (Enterprise Vault) and has a different retention policy applied to it. My users are accidentally movin...

exchange delete policy folders move

I'd think if users are losing teir own mail often due to their own accidents.... it's a self correcting problem

Shane Madden

@Aaron In my experience, it's usually our problem when a user breaks something. restore from backup

Aaron

I guess it is times like that that I am glad I only deal with the data in flight. Once it's off the router, if you didn't get it, take it up with your application-layer buddies!

Holocryptic

@Aaron "Any ideas?"... Yes, get new users.

Aaron

There's a few questions dealing with 'Retrospect' as a backup solution, but I don't see any retrospect tag. Should I just slap it on questions that deal with it? I'd rather not spam the front page. Looks like there might be about 30 questions, but some of them are just search hits, like 'well, in retrospect...'

Holocryptic

@Aaron For "Great Retagging Excercises", we generally wait till the weekend to do them, for said reason of avoiding spamming the front page.

Aaron

19:24

Ok

Holocryptic

19:34

O...M...G... Sales pitch on repeat as hold muzak is not cool

cracked.com/blog/…

Fucking A

Scott Pack

Your business is important to us. Please hold the line.

Holocryptic

@ScottPack It was horrible and terrifying all at once. And he spoke so fast. Something about HP blah blah blah repeat something about HP blah blah blah

Speaking of HP. What's the hullabaloo about?

Aaron

19:54

I feel sort of bad flagging a lot of these crap questions for SO, but they really are programming questions

Holocryptic

@Aaron Oh, if they're crap, vote to close

If it's a bad/poor question, we don't migrate. We terminate

Aaron

with prejudice?

Holocryptic

Extreme

I think he needs a toolbar to cleanup his toolbars

Aaron

yeah, but I think I'm putting too much stuff in the vote to close room

Holocryptic

That's what it's there for

Aaron

20:12

So is it possible to get the list of "really unanswered" questions (no answers at all vs the "no upvoted" answers) for a tag that is not listed on the right on serverfault.com/unanswered/tagged/?tab=noanswers

e.g. if I go to serverfault.com/questions/tagged/hardware?sort=unanswered - that's not the "really" unanswered ones. I faked it by constructing the URL myself

serverfault.com/unanswered/tagged/hardware

Shane Madden

@Aaron serverfault.com/questions?sort=unanswered ?

WesleyDavid

So HP is considering selling its PC unit. Interesting... pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391413,00.asp

Aaron

@ShaneMadden, no... In order to get the "really unanswered" I have to go "Unanswered" and then "No answers"

Holocryptic

"Can you make sure our email is functioning properly? It seems a little slow today." Zowzer.

Shane Madden

@Aaron I don't see any answers on any of the questions in that list?

Holocryptic

20:15

For different definitions of slow, I guess.

Shane Madden

@Holocryptic Sent over email, right?

Holocryptic

@ShaneMadden What? How'd you know?

Iain

not an answer serverfault.com/questions/302776/… ?

Shane Madden

@Iain @Sam just nuked it

Iain

I flagged it after @sysadmin1138 had edited it - I couldn't understand him not nuking it

then I got to wondering so thought I'd check

is this a clever spammer ? serverfault.com/users/23090/mxtoolbox-support

ITHedgeHog

20:23

Cya Folks

Iain

@ITHedgeHog hey have a great day tomorrow

ITHedgeHog

I shall do, thanks

Aaron

@ShaneMadden, well,l now that list is interesting.. It apparently sorts 1st by the number of answers on a question and then the number of votes for a question - see this page where it 'runs out of' 0 answer questions and starts going through 1 answer questions:

Shane Madden

@Iain It's relevant so I wouldn't say spam, but definitely over the product-promotion line, I think. serverfault.com/faq#promotion

Aaron

serverfault.com/questions?page=130&sort=unanswered

Shane Madden

20:26

@Aaron Oh, yup! Strange sort, lol

Aaron

The problem is that sometimes on SE sites unanswered means '0 answers' and sometime it means 'answers, but none that have been upvoted' and sometimes it means 'answers, with upvotes, but none accepted'

It's driving me a little bonkers

Shane Madden

Yeah - it's tough because it'd be nice to be able to see "no answers and only terrible answers" in one list. But sometimes 0 score answers are great, and sometimes they're terrible.

Aaron

yay, 600 reputation

Iain

@ShaneMadden way over the line I think

pauska

thats within the scope

Shane Madden

20:37

I once made the same exact mistake with SPF as this question, lol: serverfault.com/questions/303174/spf-configuration-question

pauska

they clearly state that they are promoting their own product

and they are giving proper answers

(and besides, i've used mx toolbox many many times to troubleshoot smtp, its great)

Chopper3

we've got some maintenance going on right now so I can't do it but the second that's through I'm destroying that spammer account - every post is spam, they're adding nothing - they're gone

if they want to promote they can pay for it, it's the same rule for everyone - I destroyed a bunch of IBM accounts for doing the same - this site is about adding value and links/spam don't

voretaq7

::whine:: I don't WANT to do math! I HATE math! It is REVOLTING!

Iain

@voretaq7 like the peasants ?

ErikA

20:52

@voretaq7 I find it amusing that my answer has trailed yours by exactly one upboat all day: serverfault.com/questions/303072/…

Honestly, I can't believe that question has survived for this long without getting closed/off-topic

Iain

I already voted on that

Shane Madden

@ErikA Lol, the difference was my vote. Fixed ;)

It's sitting there with 4. Someone put it out of its misery.

Holocryptic

/waves

I thought I voted on it before. Guess not

Iain

serverfault.com/questions/303182/… $

Holocryptic

@Iain Nope. Not having it. Closing tab. If I go over there I'm gonna get yelled at.

Aaron

20:58

"...or it can take 2-5 sec to load which in both cases i want to avoid...."

ErikA

@ShaneMadden Heh...wasn't fishing for votes, but whatever. :) I'm not sure I've seen two answers track right alongside each other like that before.

Aaron

if you are unhappy with a 2-5 second load time for failover, and you're also asking: "Also once the primary server becomes available how can I make sure it get's the db/file edits that were done on the backup server? ", this is a prime example of my needed "you're holding it wrong" button

ErikA

I'm with @Holocryptic on that 99.999999999999% question.

Those typically fall into the "if you have to ask, you're already way over your head" category.

Iain

@Holocryptic you lost me there

Holocryptic

@Iain I'll start rage typing

Iain

21:00

ah

voretaq7

@ErikA :-D

4

A: Sudo as different user and running screen

Try running script /dev/null as the user you su to before launching screen - its a ghetto little hack, but it should make screen happy.

Wow, I don't even remember answering that.

and apparently it came up as a google result 'cuz it didn't work for @mox

Holocryptic

2

Q: Email hoarder intervention and education - (Exchange 2010 environment)

I'll admit it. I've encountered quite a few users who are email hoarders. 20GB PST files. Awful folder management. I'm currently working with a 100-user environment where users previously had 100mb quotas and a basic IMAP/Postfix solution. That led to lots of locally-stored mail and the related...

email exchange-2010 user-management

"Get a bat, schedule some time (via Outlook), go to town."

Iain

@Holocryptic close OT

ErikA

@Holocryptic I guarantee that this user's mailbox is chock-full of huge powerpoint presentations and other ridiculous email attachments.

Holocryptic

@ErikA I loved how at my last place, they insisted on emailing documents to each other that were located on the file server.

That didn't make me want to pull my hair out at all

ErikA

21:13

@Holocryptic classic sales/marketing behavior.

Holocryptic

Or a school, but yeah, I can see them doing it too.

ErikA

oh fun, I get to come in later this evening to replace a failing FC switch.

Holocryptic

Sounds fantastic

ErikA

fortunately it's only 16 ports, so re-patching shouldn't take too long.

Holocryptic

"Someone on staff thought his email was taking a while to process. I just checked with him and he said it seems to be okay now. Thanks."

derp

/closes ticket by clicking really hard on the mouse

WesleyDavid

21:17

@EvanAnderson Just crossed the 60K mark. I want to see who will hit 100K first. @EvanAnderson or @womble

@womble is cleaning the heck up lately.

Ispuk

hbkhb

opssss

sorry guys

and girls

WesleyDavid

hbkhb to you too.

Ispuk

))))

i just would like about servers and startups

if anyone knows

which is main basic featureas to start with on startup sites? :)

server specs i mean )

2gb 4gb or more?

)

ErikA

@Ispuk there's no possible way for us to answer that question. Your best bet is just to rent a VPS or possibly a dedicated server on a monthly basis to see how things perform.

Ispuk

sure ;) that is clear ;)

just would like to know if 4gb is enought for example 400K requests a day

:P

Aaron

21:22

Nobody knows

because nobody knows what you are doing with those 400K request

Ispuk

ehehe clear too )

Aaron

if you are serving up a flat file of HTML, sure. If you're running a thousand line SQL insert every time, then no. Anything inbetween is up to you

Ispuk

there is no way to prevent server fault by requests examples? :P

Iain

@Ispuk there are too many variables - it's like trying to predict the weather

voretaq7

@Ispuk We can't configure your environment for you -- every environment is different and unique.

Holocryptic

21:25

@voretaq7 Like snowflakes, or my neighbors children.

Ispuk

uhm i mean if i know execution time for anypage on 4gb (local server) then i know that except of them there are no other request ... :P

)))

voretaq7

If we tried the only way to be safe would be to tell you to get something obscene like an 8-way quad-core box with at least 96GB of RAM and at least 4TB of disk space.

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 8TB

voretaq7

@Holocryptic true - there might be a big database involved.

Holocryptic

RAID-0

Aaron

21:26

no, you can get by with 640K, that's all anyone will ever need

ErikA

@Holocryptic 42 TB actually is my preferred size.

voretaq7

(I was originally gonna say 48GB of RAM but I felt that was too small)

Iain

@Ispuk we cannot answer your questions because you do not know the correct questions to ask

voretaq7

@ErikA 12U server? :)

ErikA

@voretaq7 you never know. :)

voretaq7

21:27

I feel bad for the dude with the Exchange hog BTW @Holocryptic

Holocryptic

@ErikA If you're not in the PB range, you're doing it wrong

ErikA

@voretaq7 agreed. I've been in that position many times. Fortunately I'm out of the email hosting game for the moment.

voretaq7

@ErikA 2U of server, then 10U of front-and-back JBOD :-)

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 Yeah...

Ispuk

ehehe party here? )

ErikA

21:28

@Ispuk just getting snarky, that's all.

Ispuk

come guys !!!!!! )))

voretaq7

@ErikA our local email is enough of a bane. Fortunately my big disk hog (the CEO) is a reasonable guy if (a) you catch him when he has time, and (b) you explain why what's going on hurts the business

Ispuk

who's the predicter here?

Holocryptic

ErikA

@Ispuk it's friday afternoon (in the US anyway)- what do you expect?

Holocryptic

21:28

I'm on my 3rd whiskey

Ispuk

))) italy == friday night ))

Holocryptic

In my head

ErikA

@Holocryptic hopefully if the Irish or Scottish variety?

voretaq7

"Yeah $BOSS, backing up your mail is taking a day and a half - literally - can we do something about it" -> "Damn, yeah I can move it onto my laptop"

ErikA

*of

Ispuk

21:29

and i'm going out ... but first i need some predicter (is predicter english term :/ ?)

voretaq7

@ErikA Canadian Whiskey! Blame canada!

2

Holocryptic

haha

ErikA

hah

well played

Holocryptic

@ErikA At this point... anything will do

voretaq7

@Holocryptic Engine degreaser it is! Belly up to the still!

ErikA

21:30

whiskey sounds quite good ATM.

Ispuk

ahaha guys really i thought i knew english but really it's a jungle now ))

Holocryptic

mmmhmmm

Ispuk

my head is burning ))

Holocryptic

I think I'm gonna make a stop on the way home

So are my eyes

Ispuk

ok if anyone tonight will dream about perfect prediction , please mail me ))

bye!!

Holocryptic

21:32

Gonna try me some of @jscotts beer tonight

Iain

@Holocryptic oooh what type ?

Holocryptic

He sent me 3

Iain

oooh what types ?

Holocryptic

let me pull it up

ErikA

Over the weekend I discovered 12x22oz bottles of homemade cider I made, oh 6 years ago or so. Should be mightly smooth after that much aging. :)

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Holocryptic

21:35

The brown ale, blue-barely-ale, Apri-hop Wheat

voretaq7

@ErikA BEAH HEAH! holds up hand

Iain

@ErikA or vinegar

@Holocryptic I don't recognise the last 2

Holocryptic

@Iain custom

actually, all three a a bit custom

ErikA

@Iain nah, it would need O2 to turn into vinegar. These are in crown-capped bottles that have been in my cellar since bottling.

Aaron

Thanks for the reply, but my website is not just some static pages, it involves many dynamic contents which change frequently, such as post, comment, add friends, all of this can not simply done by cdn.

cdns unable to serve dynamic content, news at 11!

Holocryptic

21:47

Facebook Killer, bitch!

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voretaq7

@Aaron NO! MY BUSINESS PLAN - SHE IS RUINATED!

sobs uncontrollably YOU BASTARDS! YOU CRUSHED MY HOPES AND DREAMS!

TessellatingHeckler

that's no way to make a business plan, voretaq. This system I'm looking at, now /that's/ a business plan. A GUI, transferred over telnet.

Iain

@ErikA this is my favourite cider cheshirecider.co.uk

voretaq7

@TessellatingHeckler I have only one response to that. Please stand by.

The answer is that libdialog, the library on which sysinstall depends
for these menus, is genuinely evil.  It is the unloved, satanic
bastard child of multiple parents and torturing users like yourself
constitutes the only joy in life it has left.  Its source files are
all chmod'd 0666 and dire README files warn against trespass by
neophyte programmers.  It is the 7th gate of Hell.  It makes the baby
Jesus cry.  Were libdialog given anthropomorphic representation, it
would be promptly burnt at the stake and its ashes scattered in the

ErikA

@Iain yum.

Aaron

21:54

@TessellatingHeckler, oh, you're familiar with TL1, are you?

TessellatingHeckler

@Iain ooh, not far from here

@Aaron nope, never heard of it

ErikA

@Iain for mine, I drove to a local orchard and picked up 6 gallons of un-pasteurized apple cider.

voretaq7

@ErikA 'round about these parts that's liable to get ya raided by a multi-agency task force for sellin' them-thar un-past-yoo-rise-ed products that be dangerous!

Iain

@TessellatingHeckler where are you ?

@ErikA my sister-in-law lives in Herefordshire - the heart of English Cider country, she is surrounded by orchards

ErikA

@voretaq7 Yah, I had to do come convincing for them to sell me the raw stuff.

Holocryptic

21:58

I get the impression that some of my hosting colleagues think I'm just slightly better than retarded since I'm on helpdesk right now. Not helping.

Iain

just down the road you can buy fresh cider, but it's not as good as the Cheshire stuff

voretaq7

@Holocryptic helpdesk isn't supposed to help.

TessellatingHeckler

@voretaq7 apposite response, that.

voretaq7

Escalate them especially crap tickets as punishment for their derision.
"My website is DOWN!!!!!!!!111111ONELELEVENTYBILLION"

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