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00:17
@Holocryptic Turn into the slide. Oh, and kick out the windshield before returning fire. Learned that the hard way.
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@WesleyDavid Why return fire when I can run their ass over, then finish them off by walking up and putting a round in their head?
Ohhh, your targets aren't armed and returning fire from their own vehicles? Different use case then.
@WesleyDavid My targets don't know I'm coming
That's what she said
00:34
@Holocryptic Garunga!
@ScottPack awwww, I don't get the reference!
Wow. Go to a website and have 2 videos and 1 popup, all with sound, go off at the same time. Fail.
So, @Holocryptic, I see you catch on your twittering on the drive home.
@ScottPack What else am I gonna do while sitting there?
@Holocryptic lol, how's the DC traffic
Just as I reported. For shit
It took me 2 hrs to get home
And that's after finding a detour
00:42
I love this question's one and only tag.
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Q: Set up server far away from target audience?

Jimmy HuchI live in Canada, and I want to move out of online web hosting and host stuff on my own server. The problem is, my website caters to a huge amount of US traffic, about 90 percent of traffic is US. Are there huge disadvantages of having my server in Canada? Please note, speed is very important d...

It didn't help that I shot myself in the foot by traveling in the right-hand lane, that mysteriously and suddenly turned into an offramp, dumping me in some of the worst traffic evah
@Holocryptic I feel your pain. I spent a whole half hour getting home this afternoon, it sucked. Hopefully the kid won't be so reluctant to leave school tomorrow.
ᐆ ᑲᓇᑕ!
ᓇᖕᒥᓂ ᓄᓇᕗᑦ!
ᐱᖁᔭᑏ ᓇᓚᑦᑎᐊᖅᐸᕗᑦ.
ᐊᖏᒡᓕᕙᓪᓕᐊᔪᑎ,
ᓴᙱᔪᓗᑎᓪᓗ.
ᓇᖏᖅᐳᒍ, ᐆ ᑲᓇᑕ,
ᒥᐊᓂᕆᑉᓗᑎ.
ᐆ ᑲᓇᑕ! ᓄᓇᑦᓯᐊ!
ᓇᖏᖅᐳᒍ ᒥᐊᓂᕆᑉᓗᑎ,
ᐆ ᑲᓇᑕ, ᓴᓚᒋᔭᐅᖁᓇ!
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If you're wondering, that's O Canada in clicks and whistles
@Holocryptic Amazing.
Be careful you don't accidentally summon Hastur.
00:45
haha
someone get a good tag wiki on that.
haha, I got a great comment in
Also, speed is important, gentleman
I'm gonna eat some dinner, and if that question doesn't get closed by the time I get back, I'm going to lay down a big answer
@Holocryptic We'll see which one gets approved, shan't we?
ha
There, laid down a more appropriate comment
01:02
Oh, he edited it. Not sure if it's still worth the answer..
01:18
Oh and @WesleyDavid said a shorter version of what I was writing. Nothing about TCP windows though. Choices...
@ShaneMadden Post it! Post it now!
Dust storm is enveloping north Phoenix now.
Eery to see it coming right at me over the mountains
@WesleyDavid Trying to find a web comic that I remember seeing to help make one of my points. This may take a bit. ;)
@WesleyDavid I <3 me some Haboob!
HABOOB!!
Hah! Suck it @Holocryptic!
01:25
@ScottPack Huh? What? What are you talking about?
Ye olde approvers took my tag wiki
which wiki?
sorry, wasn't paying much attention to what's going on.
Ohhh, I see
@ScottPack I'll see you, and raise you:
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Q: The Canada tag should probably go

HolocrypticWhy is there even a canada tag? Isn't that a bit too localized? I did a quick look, and there's no usa or great-britain or australia, so why on $DEITY'S green Earth is there a canada tag? There's 5 questions there, of which at least a couple I feel could be closed as too localized. I just wan...

Yeah, I saw that :/
@ScottPack I saw what you did there
Giggity
01:38
@Holocryptic Holy crap, there's more questions with that tag. I thought it'd just be that one. Wow.
Nope. 5
And as far as I can tell, Canada has the great distinction of being the only country with a tag in our system.
Granted, I only checked the ones I mentioned...
01:50
Tired. Leaving now.
@Holocryptic Sweet dreams
Well, on the plus side, all of the questions that now have the tag have close votes.
02:30
You know what's really sneaky? See a question, answer it with just a word or two to get around the minimum character limit, and then delete it. Then, edit the deleted answer to be good and when it's ready undelete it. It will have the oldest timestamp and trump any questions that people post after you, but won't get downvoted for being incomplete while you work on it.
muhahaha!
@WesleyDavid Sneaky. The one catch is 10k+ and diamonds can see your trickery ;)
@ShaneMadden That's where my plan to flag ten dozen posts beforehand comes in...
@WesleyDavid This is sounding convoluted.
Addicts are experts at rationalizing.
Why am I not losing rep for downvotes? Is this some new behavior?
@WesleyDavid downvotes on questions are free
02:36
Oh, never noticed.
@WesleyDavid Recent change I think.
last month or so
That would explain it. I was certain that it used to cost.
 
1 hour later…
03:38
Downvotes on questions have been free since I came back... which is a lovely surprise.
I've grown past the whole "boo hoo downvotes cost rep" thing. I downvote with extreme prejudice now.
@ScottPack Awww... no more questions with the canada tag. :(
Okay, 'canada' was a shitty choice for that question, yeah.
"Oh, Canada // Our home and native tag.."
03:57
RAAAAAAAR
@voretaq7 Insomnia got you in its talons still?
@womble means a lot of questions get buried now
@WesleyDavid was on the phone with a friend
now bored, came on to troll for easy rep
It's North American nighttime, hardly any easy rep out there that Shane and I aren't robbing of its lunch money.
saw mail-boy is giving mailq a hard time.... I want to give him a network traffic violation
Then womble comes along sprays the room with gunfire occasionally.
03:59
lol
grumble...
there we go
Mr. Lojik is supposedly the founder of Veepiz. How can one have such a relatively active site and not know diddly squat about what he's using to run it?
@WesleyDavid checks "CLUELESS RECKLESNESS"
awww today's XKCD warms my cold little heart
"Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. Alas that hill was San Juan Hill, and gruesome was the slaughter!"
04:17
@WesleyDavid Who/Where?
Another one of those days.
Makes my back-up plan of being a bike messenger more and more tempting.
@voretaq7 Plenty of questions deserve burying. I'm fairly sure I've never seen a questioned bombed with downvotes that didn't royally deserve it (and more than a few that stayed alive despite fatal flaws)
@WesleyDavid That's a rhetorical question, right?
@WesleyDavid Train driving isn't a bad lark.
@womble Been meaning to ask you... I thought "I drive trains" was some Australian slang for something. But you, in fact, drive... trains?
@WesleyDavid I do, literally, drive passenger trains.
I'm tired, cranky and not seeing any improvement in things. Time to start building my Surly. surlybikes.com
@womble So is that your primary job nowadays? Or is that some side gig? Are you no longer in IT of any kind?
04:34
@WesleyDavid It's a full-time job, and I'm not working in IT at the moment. However, I just today put in my train-driving resignation and will be taking up a job in IT again -- very different to what I was doing before, though.
@womble Wow, fascinating. IT to train driver doesn't at first seem like a common path, but then again, no one in IT seems to have a common path in how they either got there or where they left to.
There are definitely times when I question if I can do this or not. Doesn't seem to be panning out well sometimes.
04:50
@WesleyDavid Meh, just get the SE job and head up to NYC ;)
Kinda surprised this question sat out there as long as it did. Thought someone was saying there weren't good easy ones earlier, heh serverfault.com/questions/302499/…
@ShaneMadden @ShaneMadden shrug Maybe, I dunno. I've knocked around with so much in the way of small business systems that I don't know if I'd be of much use at SE.
@WesleyDavid I've been surprised at the number of people who've come from, or wanted to go into, food service (specifically being a chef). It's probably selection bias, but I can think of 4 people off the top of my head I know in that circumstance.
@WesleyDavid Technically, or psychologically?
@WesleyDavid Nah - the technology may be different, but the skills transfer. Learning curve on the bigger scale, of course, but that's no big deal.
Effort is what matters. ;)
@womble Both. As far as technically, well, I have trouble reading and concentrating, so information assimilation is hard some days. Today was atrocious. Caffeine seems to help focus me, oddly. and psychologically, well, I tend to get discouraged easily which is likely not a good trait. I'm working on improving it, and have succeeded, but some days / weeks are not easy to weather.
I wonder if I had a more tactile job if it would be better. Shuffling packages around, learning streets, traffic patterns... I watch bike messenger videos on YouTube like it was porn. =)
@WesleyDavid If I can lay a bit of my recent experience on you, if you're not enjoying it, get out and do something else for a while. On the other hand, if you kinda enjoy it but sometimes it gives you the shits (especially if you can look back and go "hmm, my over-reaction there doesn't make a lot of sense"), consider talking to someone. Depression and anxiety are massive problems in IT, and it'd be a shame to throw away a good career when you just need a brain-tune.
05:00
@womble That's really interesting. I can't say that I've ever seen anyone in IT that had a food services past or hoped-for future. If there was one common trait among IT people that I've met it's usually photography. Even my own .NET Systems Analyst stepfather is working his way out of that industry and into his own media company that he formed recently.
And, if you are suffering from depression, changing careers isn't likely to make as much of a positive impact as you might hope.
@WesleyDavid Yeah, photography nerds are everywhere -- the combination of lots of expensive gadgets and not needing any actual talent is irresistable. ducksandruns
@womble The trouble is that I love this field. There were years where I couldn't stop thinking about it. It's great. The problem is circumstances that seem to cloud my steps. I haven't had much success in getting away from the micro-mini environments and into larger systems that fascinate me. Right as I left one place that I had a volunteer position at to move to a better area in America, I got a job offer to be a Jr DBA, which would have been fun, but... it was bad timing.
So now I'm in a lurch. Tried to start my own consultancy to contract. Hoped to get some interesting jobs. Everyone that knew me told me I'd be awesome and snatched up. I've networked and sent out some feelers and have so far got nothing but writing gigs and some small office work. So, I'm at least making some money, but it's doing things like reformatting Windows 7 PCs and managing SBS 2008 and maybe, if I'm lucky, looking at some interesting PowerShell and Exchange issues.
It's just a lurch though. It's all circumstantial. If things would turn around as far as work, I think it would clear the confusion up. I've had job leads recently, but it annoys me a bit that they came after I started my LLC. So now I think I'll wait until the end of the year to see how things pan out, but if they don't, I'll have to look for a salaried position that won't drag me down or move on to a new field for a while maybe. I dunno.
@WesleyDavid Yeah, contracting is tough. Too tough for my fragile ego (and I'm massively risk-averse). Building your career (whichever way you go) is the most important, and one of the most difficult, things you'll do in life.
Building a good network, and keeping in touch with people, is so important. I've been lucky that I've landed at random in most of my jobs (they just happened to drift past when I needed them), and so my network is poor, but it's something I'm really looking to improve to keep my options open.
I do have three interesting possibilities in the near future that could help. 1) Friend in Australia is making a project that might need help. It's currently trying to get VC money. The trouble, it's in the web sphere which is not a strength for me... yet. 2) CIO of a attraction in America that is scheduled to be built might be able to contract me when the ground gets broken. Maybe. 3) Friend's site needs investment and if I can come up with a few grand, I could get in on the ground floor.
But if nothing happens by 2012, then I know it's pretty much a wash and I should become an employee somewhere.
Or get a bike. =)
@womble The networking thing is tough since I've funneled all money into things other than transportation. No car yet. Leases are hard to get when you don't have consistent income above a certain level. Bus system here is nice though.
There's something to be said for getting out and getting your head straight. It worked for me.
05:10
Well, anyway, I managed to turn this into a therapy session.
How long did you drive trains for?
@WesleyDavid Your phone (and even e-mail, in a pinch) can do a good job for you. I've found manager tools to be a good resource for a lot of career-related things; their list of networking-related podcasts might have some good stuff for you.
@WesleyDavid I'll rack up exactly 18 months and 15 days at the end of my notice period.
And what's wrong with a bit of a therapy session now and then?
Wow, decent length of time.
If we can't help each other out now and then, what's the point of being here together?
@WesleyDavid Of that 18 months, about 13 of them were training... they don't let you out until they're pretty sure you won't kill anyone.
Crap, you train for a year, drive for 5 months and then bail. Like a boss. =)
Thanks for that link! I'll check it out. I've reached out on places for freelancers.
Talentopoly.com WorkMarket.com
I haven't done too much on eLance and Freelancer and oDesk since they're cornered by the $15 an hour [insert culture of your choice] folk
@WesleyDavid It's the bosses that have driven me away -- the driving itself is easy, if a bit boring (listening to podcasts helps), but every time I deal with management I get a headache from clenching my jaw so hard to stop myself from screaming "FUCK YOU BUNCH OF VINDICTIVE COCKSMOKERS"
05:19
Oooo, cocksmoker. Let me write that one down...
Isn't it always the managers and people in charge?
The agro ones tend to get into positions of authority
Well, sometimes it's the co-workers (that's what drove me away from a previous job), but yeah, management is the most common cause of employee frustration. As a friend once remarked, "People join companies, but leave bosses".
The ones I'm running away from now aren't aggro, so much as incompetent, bureaucratic, and uncaring. And there's just so many of them...
I'm pretty easy going and can get along with anyone. I've been described as a chameleon - which is a good and bad thing. But I do have a tendency to tell people things plainly and not relaize how plain I'm saying it. So... I hope bosses and contractees don't take too much offense.
Unfortunately contractors tend to get ran a bit harder
So I hope the new gig works out for you. Makes you learn new things.
i.e. Does not suck balls.
Oh, it'll definitely involve learning new things. New things like crazy.
Have you ever had a job opportunity that came up, was outside of your comfort zone, and you were wondering if it was honest to take the job - even if the other person knew you weren't an expert? Okay, maybe that's a bit speciated of a scenario. =)
@WesleyDavid Always look outside your comfort zone ;)
05:33
I like to get outside my comfort zone, but just feel weird taking payment for it. Example, a friend wants to make a website service and is a pure Java developer. No knowledge of the ops side. I asked him a few innocent questions about backups, and scaling and database things... he was totally (and I mean totally clueless). I said "Don'tcha want to look into that a bit at least?"
So, anyway, if he gets the VC he might use me to build the ops side of things. But I know nothing of Tomcat or building tiered web applications. I mean, I know the concepts and understand that, it's just the nuts and bolts of "This is how you manage tomcat." "This is how you replicate a MySQL Server"
Sooo... I'd love to do it from a selfish perspective, and my friend knows my limits I think, but still... kinda hemming and hawing about taking it.
@WesleyDavid I don't tend to have that sort of a self-confidence problem -- I think I'm smart enough to learn anything I need to and have an interest in.
@WesleyDavid Trifles ;) You'd learn quick
@WesleyDavid Do it. You weren't born knowing things, and the only way you learn is to try.
I know I can learn, it's just the time between when I start, when I fuck up a dozen times, and when I finally know better... all the while servicing customers and trying not to run out of VC funding. That's what bothers me. =)
Learning is awesome. It's hosing things so bad because you're a noob and bit off more than you should have... that's what worries me. I see so many stories about that, even on ServeRfault... people running stuff they have no business doing.
Look at that one go, running a biggish social network in Africa and doesn't even know Postfix enough to close his open relay. But I'm in the same bot with the topic of Tomcat and Varnish and CDNs and etc.
@WesleyDavid I'll bet you know how to learn and ask non-idiotic questions, though -- so you're ahead of that bloke in all the crucial areas.
05:37
I'll see if I can crunch through this book (in spite of reading problems) before the VC is secured to see if I can hack it:
Whoa, Amaspam.
@WesleyDavid Do I need to tell you the story of the time I took out a few hundred production VMs through hubris my first week on the job? Don't sweat mistakes -- don't try and make them, but when you do, learn from them and move on.
@womble Indeed. In general I live that way, but for some reason I get weirded out about certain situations.
@WesleyDavid I'd be more inclined to look at "The Practice of System and Network Administration" by Limoncelli, if you haven't already. That's where the gold is.
I do have that, actually. I've even given it out as a gift to someone,
Actually, I have it on my Safari account
@WesleyDavid We all have our hangups. I've got a whole telemarketing operation's worth of them. <grin>
05:40
There was one time when I may or may not have taken down the entire phone system for a 300 person business.
Plugged an analog line into a digital port on a unpleasantly old Tadiran system.
I'll bet you didn't do it again, though...
I remember once at that place the Sr Dev let a script go that mashed the test CRM database. Only it wasn't the test DB, it was the production one. 15 years or so of people and their financial interactions with the organization gone. Wrecked. Toast. And the SysAdmin checked the backups to find that the log files were circular. So that was fun.
Got to see long time pros react in the face of immediate impending termination. =)
Fortunately I haven't done anything that bad. Yet.
Poor bastards.
06:05
@womble Heh - same answer, 40 seconds apart. Good ol' softball questions. +1 on yours ;)
and I'm going to sleep. Later guys
@ShaneMadden Don't let the dog spiders eat your face off.
06:51
G'day
07:11
'lo Iain. You say hello, and I say goodbye
Time for sleep. Sweet restorative sleep.
ZZZzzzzzz....
sleep well
07:34
morning
Downvoting this would feel like kicking a puppy:
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Q: domain and web page

SHELBYI'm so confused about all this. A local area networking company is offering a domain for $25.00 a year. If I bought that would it be the same as having a web page of my own? See, I told you I was stupid. I just don't understand any of this.. Please help, make it simple PLEASE

whereas I have no issue stomping baby animals at all
07:50
Hey, I voted to close; I just couldn't bring myself to add the downvote.
I have no choice, when I close something it gets an automatic downvote, can't remember since when but it doesn't get counted against my 'number'
It gets an automatic downvote from Community when the question is closed with certain reasons
It's at least a few months old, it was discussed on the Podcast quite a while ago
Someone else kicked the puppy too, though...
08:43
Morning all
dear $deity, SO, why did you send this to us serverfault.com/questions/302951/htaccess-vs-chmod
09:16
"What is the difference between htaccess and chmod?" The fuuuuuuuck?
Remind me to kick cdhowie in the balls if I ever meet him.
I'm sick of reading about crazy US patent law - it just raises my blood pressure for no reason so I'm going to avoid all discussion on the matter
so to lighten the mood I just darkened; carrot bukkake
user image
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09:33
@Chopper3 It's a political cartoon. The blokes are Apple and Google, the carrots are patents and the girl is, like, small business; or something...
haha
@Chopper3: Read osnews.com daily, no patent news there! nope.. nothing.
oh.. HP might ditch their personal systems group
10:13
separate, not ditch
10:24
Hmm, seems like SF's gone to god... I'm getting error pages for everything.
MSF's on the fritz too.
me too
hey bart
@womble I blame the sysadmins
Hey @Chopper.
Just dropping in for a few to see if there's chatter about SF going off to sleepyland for a bit.
did you see those data centre photos I put up yesterday?
? nope.
I've had my head buried in deep scream mode at the office.
ah, bawls - posted some pics of the DC for my new platform about this time yesterday
10:37
I think I might have found them...(digging through transcript)
How big is that place?
That equipment must cost as much as a radio telescope...probably picks up aliens, too. This is some kind of video farm?
it's about..150m x 200m per floor I guess, that floor just does the 'backend' stuff and holds the 'origin' copies of the video - we don't stream from there, that's done from 72 different places around the country
and it's cost about the same as a couple of F-22's :)
yow.
How many people keep each datacenter running?
You must have hardware failures on a fairly regular basis.
10:53
3 on site at any time plus 3 security
one of the guys on site is a HP hardware guy and they have lots of stock on site already
Do you know offhand how many servers are in that room?
HP's...guessing those are loaded with blades.
each rack has either 12, 16, 24 or 32 servers per rack and about 75 are full with servers, the rest is storage, networking, backup etc
so no, a couple of thousand at least
over a thousand ESXi I know that, plus 120 oracles
You must automate the rainbows out of those unicorns.
10:57
you'd be surprised, the esxi stuff is easy, as is the few windows boxes we have but the linux stuff could be much better
That's true, ESX has some great monitoring. I don't know how well it is for notifications, but I don't use their pay-for stuff.
I have to hop out for a bit. Depending on how much crying today is set to bring this time I might see y'all on later. Hopefully.
we do, vcenter and operations
me too, got to move my car to let the wife out :)
Hopefully see you on later, Chopper. :-)
Hello folks
11:07
hi
@Chopper3 You stole my floor tiles in those pictures
oh, way more than that, plus there's a lot of xp24ks and the day I was there we were putting in some new 3pars too :)
!!!!!!!
The electric bill must be stunningly high.
the problem with EVAs is that although they're really easy to use/configure they can only take 27 shelves of 12 disks so they're very easy to fill - so you need lots of them
I don't see it but yes, especially when there's another floor that's just the same (not mine though)
I love our EVA4000, it was my first "real" SAN. Had a MSA1500 which couldn't I/O for shit. Too bad mgmt got friendly with IBM -- we've moved to XIVs for [at least] the next 5-8 years.
there were some very low host and lun limits on those 1000s/1500s iirc
11:50
And once you were seeing delayed write errors increasing everywhere, you knew you only had a few minutes before it would cascade into a spectacular crash. Nothing like seeing every disk's LED and the front panel blinking, helpfully, at you.
My first SAN was an EMC AX150i.... I'm still suffering its purchase today
I have a AX4-5i, works great.. no hiccups at all
and have a emc vnx in order
mine was a HDS box that had three physically different controllers/shelf-types/disks for each of its three tiers - 2Gbps FC too, not 4/8/10
@Chopper3: What kind of temperature are you running your halls at?
or.. what kind of ambient temperatures are the servers reporting to run at?
too cold in my opinion, about 17c
but we have a grid of temp gauges in every rack talking back to a fearsomely expensive thermodynamics package that lets us do what-if's plus monitors everything, that's why we have less kit in the middle of the room than the outsides
12:00
the room temp is 17c or the server sensors at 17c?
(and yes, this sounds a bit too cold? I thought 19C was the 'standard' room temp)
complex answer, the temp at the plenum exit is 17
ambient varies based on rack, height in rack etc.
ok
well.. I'm pretty safe about us having too high temperatures
the servers are reporting from 25 to 28C
so.. I need new cooling.. and a new rack.. and a new san
Our in rack cooler discharges ~15ºC air. Room temperature is 17º in there. The rest of the office varies (lotsa people have thermostats in their office)
or a colo :<
@Holocryptic Just so you know, that metaphor RT of yours is one that I use frequently.
12:12
:-/
Came to work, discovered a dead monitor.
Great way to start the Friday off.
@BartSilverstrim Means it's time to go home and start the weekend. =}
Yeah, I wish.
I also discovered something about serverfault.
Apparently when I'm logged in, it gives 50 questions front page.
When not logged in, it gives 48.
Wonder if that's by design?
@pauska there's nothing wrong at all working at temps in the 20's all the time - I think we do things too cool anyway
@Chopper3 I remember reading (sometime in the past) that servers and disks live longer at ~21C
no idea if thats a fact or not
first hit on google: "General recommendations suggest that you should not go below 10°C (50°F) or above 28°C (82°F). Although this seems a wide range these are the extremes and it is far more common to keep the ambient temperature around 20-21°C (68-71°F)."
@pauska I'm pretty sure that's true, but the lifespan of both is sufficiently long that it really doesn't matter.
12:19
heh
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Q: What is the correct temperature for a server room?

freddiefujiwraWhen I was working in our server room, I noticed that it was very cold. I know that the server room has to be cold to offset the heat of the servers, but perhaps it is TOO cold. What is an appropriate temperature to keep our server room at?

Most people don't care as long as their gear lasts at least 7 years.
or in my case, 5 years
Our rack varies from 60ºF at the cooler discharge to 95º at the cooler return. The rack's got somewhat poor circulation; it was undersized when they got it (don't know if they were being cheap or if they thought it would be sufficient at the time)
Probably what's worse is a temp that varies.
I'd imagine that's worse for equipment.
Probably
@BartSilverstrim "Intel recently conducted a 10-month test to evaluate the impact of using only outside air to cool a high-density data center in New Mexico, where the temperature ranged from 64 degrees to as high as 92 degrees. Intel said it found “no consistent increase” in failure rates due to the greater variation in temperature and humidity. “This suggests that existing assumptions about the need to closely regulate these factors bear further scrutiny,” Intel concluded."
12:27
modern servers are good at adapting
HP's "sea of sensors" is a good example.. it has bajillion sensors, fan controls etc
Yeah; One of our newer systems in iLO show: 7 fans, 31 temperature, and the power status. More info than I really needed... I just look at the green checkmark.
Seriously; Q #1 of the System Administrator's Test should be "How do you diagnose a Windows Crash?"
Install Linux <POW>
ZING
bAZINGA
12:34
hm.. anyone looked at that?
@KyleBrandt BA-DUM-TSSSH!
@pauska: That is what I had in my mind, but couldn't form the onomatopoeia
@pauska Not until just now. Two thoughs 1. Yet Another File System? 2. "Speed - SDFS can perform deduplication/redup at line speed 1 GB/S+" I'm officially calling bullshit.
Yay, reboot time...see if it will see my "replacement" monitor correctly.
12:52
@ChrisS: and its written in java.. the "filesystem" is a file on a regular filesystem
uuurgh
@KyleBrandt: Can I ask you a very generic and (probably) simple question regarding MS SQL server?
Yeah; I think I'll stick with ZFS thank you. =]
ChriS: Bah! I installed DragonFlyBSD to check out HAMMER, but it craps out with the onboard NIC. Now I have FreeBSD 9.0-BETA installed (to test ZFS), but there isnt a multipath iscsi initiator
and without multipathing I can forget about using ZFS with all the mirroring done at the SAN level
and my san doesnt support JBOD
and so on....
I'd readily admit, FreeBSD isn't enterprisey that way, and it's got a long way to go.
@pauska: If it is "Why did yours crash this morning" than I am not sure yet
I've got my own list of features I'd love to see implemented; just not enough people working on it all.
@KyleBrandt Did you forget to feed the tumbeasts?
12:58
We use hamsters to power our servers, sometimes do they do get tired or die
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One of the main problems is because we are colo. Since we use hamsters, but the racks near us use cats... well ... you can see the problem.
@KyleBrandt Haha, nope :) The problem is that our main (in house built) BI application uses SQL for just about everything. I need to figure out how to put it on the new SAN.
@KyleBrandt: What's more critical? Separating data from log+temp, separating log from temp etc..
I have a feeling that the answer is "depends on the application"
and none of the developers here can answer that :<
iSCSI to SQL server(s), drives for DB and Logs, move DBs.... Profit!
@KyleBrandt That's ok, TUMBLR lets live TUMBeasts in there Datacenters.... Dumb asses
13:00
Ya it does, how much temp is used will depend on the application
@Jacob In fact they removed the tumblrbeasts :(
@KyleBrandt So now you need some dogs to guard your racks
Dogs will scare the hamsters as well
@ChrisS It's a shame really, iSCSI isnt exactly brand new
@KyleBrandt They'll work better
13:03
@ChrisS: I found "gmultipath" (geom junk), but the initiator will flip out when you try to log in to more than one target
Hamsters: DOG..... SHIT..... RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@KyleBrandt Why don't you lock VGV8 down there, his bull shit should keep SE running for ever.... AND HE AIN"T SCARED OF NO CATS HE'S a (fake,really bad) SYSADMIN
@pauska I'm fairly sure there's something in the ports that does mutlipath; but the built-in target and initiators are junk last I checked.
@ChrisS Reboot. Clearly.
@pauska The GEOM system fricking rocks; love how it works; but lots of drivers and software don't fully support it still...
@pauska Shortly after adopting them too... And without even dropping Mr. Oatmeal a note as to when or why.
@ChrisS: only thing I can find in ports is iscsi target software, no initiators :<
13:27
@pauska If you can separate all three Data, Logs and TempDB on to different spindles
And yes the caveat is: it depends on your app. But if you can do it, splitting it helps
haha
13:48
Funny 'cuz it's true.
Yes, it is bigger than an aircraft carrier.
14:16
I can't find the comic where it's a guy looking over someone's shoulder that has no idea how the internet works, and keeps mistyping things, searching for google instead of just going to google, clicking in the wrong places, and all the while the onlooker's rage is increasing
You need a comic for that? If I want to see that I can really shoulder-surf.
yeah I know
I wish I could find it it again
it was truly epic
14:32
/dramatic entrance
@Holocryptic gasp
/takes bow
"Thank you Cleveland!!!"
@ScottPack We'll jump that bridge when we burn it
@Holocryptic While it's on fire?
@ShaneMadden If you're gonna do something, do it on fire I always say.
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14:55
Note to assholes: It's the 21st century. Don't carry a cellphone if you're going to be all bitchy when I call you on it.
@Holocryptic the WESTBOUND train to PENN STATION has been reported at AMITYVILLE operating ON FIRE
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