The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

03:00

1ru and almost no power might rival the cost of a VM

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Tell me about it. I'm working on that in between riding,

@MarkHenderson I've actually seen that before. I want to use that for the 10g stuff

Bob

@MarkHenderson ...they did what now

Mark Henderson

@Jacob 15Gbps for 1500kb mtu

Or 27Gbps for the newer models

For under $1300

Travis

@ewwhite Failed hard disk...

Jacob

> SMTP facility included with BusinessMail POP has certain limitations, including: the number of emails that may be sent which is 25 emails every 10 minutes

Mark Henderson

03:05

@Jacob That sounds like something Telstra would write

Also; emails are not sent by POP

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I missed that after seeing 8k/mth for 10/10

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Haha easy enough when your jaw is on the floor

Bob

@MarkHenderson I almost want to ask them how many suckers are actually on that plan.

Mark Henderson

@bob theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/06/09/…

Bob

@MarkHenderson Huh, it is from that page O_O

Jacob

03:10

@MarkHenderson Wow

Bob

...uhm.

> Guaranteed throughput and reliability for hungry applications. Bandwidth options range from 128kps up to 10 Mb/s.

They... actually offer 128kbps over ethernet?

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Ick, handing out ~~porn viewing devices~~ laptop to all the school kids... What could possibly go wrong?

Bob

I haven't seen numbers like that in a long time.

@ChrisS Incidentally, some kids were caught using them to watch porn in class.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS I had a laptop in Year 10, and that was 14 years ago

The basic service model is:

1. Reformat
2. Replace

Bob

I actually have one of the first iteration of DER laptops.

It's a piece of shit.

Mark Henderson

03:14

Their insurance policies are incredibly flexible and its cheaper to just replace and pay a tiny excess than bother to repair

Bob

Reliable, but still crap (still works, surprisingly, buuuut...)

Chris S

I'm not sure if I'm old fashion, tin-hat, or genius; but I don't think kids should be issued laptops at all

Jacob

@ChrisS issued? No definitely not.

Bob

Lunchtime. I hope it's not raining.

Got soaked on my way in :\

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Why not?

Is it the "issued" or the "kids" or the "laptop" part?

Journeyman Geek

03:27

@MarkHenderson: bit of all three? ;p

laptops are inherently rather delicate devices, in the hands of ... indelicate users

Jacob

@MarkHenderson theregister.co.uk/2014/05/29/…

Mark Henderson

@Jacob whoah

Way more important story in the sidebar

theregister.co.uk/2014/04/23/ryobi_grinder_girl

brb, seeing a divorce lawyer

actually jk i've seen my wife use an angle grinder and I have a photo of her destroying a wall with a rotary hammer

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I'm not entirely sure... Kinds will abuse the technology, and it's rather expensive. Feels very "entitlement". I'm not convinced it has much if any benefits. Perhaps most of all, technology is a wonderful tool, but a terrible replacement for almost all thought processes - but schools in particular seems to apply technology as some shortcut.

There is some truth to the idea that given tools kids learn on their own - pickup "The Diamond Age" for some interesting observations turned fiction. But leaving that learning unguided 1. may have very negative results (ever read Lord of the Flies?) 2. We can do better - why should we aim so low?

Mark Henderson

03:42

@ChrisS I agree with that in principle

Laptops are a tool - just a tool

Nothing more, nothing less

Like all tools they need to be in the right hands

And have the right guidance

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Not sure you can agree with that wandering mess in anything more than principal... I've never put the effort into crafting a concise thought, just the kneejerk reaction.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Kneejerk reactions are often the true

Most kids can't use computers though

coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Still reading - immediately annoyed by the proxy that isn't auto-configured by DHCP or WPAD and isn't transparent... Also the reason for the proxy, but I suppose it's a school....

Next annoyance - I don't know anyone who can put a video in powerpoint who can't be explained the difference between embedded and linked in under 20 seconds.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Haha true, but "The internets not working" and "Powerpoints not working" followed by dumb stares make me want to stab people

"Could you be any less specific?"

stab

Chris S

03:59

Wireless switches - the bane of so many people's existence

Manufactures must have people who research the worst possible places to put those things.

Chris S

04:12

@MarkHenderson Eh, I only agree with some of that. Obviously kids are at least as technology incompetent as the rest of us. I'm not sure that's a real problem however, even the author there admits he knows nothing of his car - on his own premise he should be learning to maintain a car before driving it again.

I just don't think that holds water. Kids need to learn critical thinking skills - something they stressed when I was in school, though I have reservations as to the degree with which they were successful in instilling such skills in children.

Michael Hampton

Critical thinking? Those classes are on the endangered species list.

Chris S

This was a major frustration when I taught a college class. It was absolutely clear about 2/3 of the class seriously lacked critical problem solving skills, while the other 1/3, it came easily. The more I learn about education the more frustrated I am - we know how to do better, we can do better - we don't.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Interesting. Critical Thinking was actually INFO101 in my course

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Do you think that class taught you anything noteworthy? Do you think it taught most students anything noteworthy?

Mark Henderson

I applied my critical thinking skills way too liberally. I got an F on one assignment that involved writing an essay about whether the moon landing was faked or not. I wrote my essay saying that it doesn't matter whether or not it was faked, because the positives of people thinking we landed on the moon outweighed the possible negatives of it being faked

I got an "F - Mark, you missed the point of the assignment" - did I really..?!

Michael Hampton

04:18

Once upon a time that was a high school course.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Well I enjoyed it, but I was a critical thinker before then anyway, courtesy of my parents

Chris S

@MarkHenderson LOL - Sounds like your teacher completely missed the point of the class.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Oh yeah she was just following what was on the bullet point slides

I also failed one assignment in my ethics class for writing a similar essay

Wesley

@MarkHenderson "On the ethics of killing people who can't remember their username. Conclusion: KILL!"

Mark Henderson

Actually here's one advantage of having a laptop: In an IT class in 2005 I was the only person in the class with a laptop (!!). Ethics teacher was talking about a particular ethicist and his teachings. I quicktly googled him, found his wikipedia page, put my hand up and asked "Is this the same guy that said it's OK to have sex with an animal?"

To which the teacher went bright red and stuttered

Wesley

04:27

@MarkHenderson To be fair he said it was only okay to have sex with a dead animal.

(I have no idea)

@MarkHenderson So the concept of Google had sunk into the faculty's consciousness eh?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Haha what the teacher explained was "Well, if nobody is getting hurt - you're getting enjoyment and the animal is getting mutual enjoyment, then what's the harm. For example if you trained a dog to lick your balls while you gave the dog a tickle, then what's the harm?"

(Not saying he agreed with this, but that's what the logical conclusion to this particular persons ethics was)

@Wesley Who knows

Turns out I went to a pretty backwards university

I wouldn't have gone there again

Almost everyone who graduated with me that I know has gone on to either completely different careers, gone to another university, or become a stay at home parent, or is still working at a supermarket

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I've known of couples that have sex with their dog in the room, or on the bed, and the dog gets uncomfortably close sometimes.

That kinda makes me shudder.

Like, butt licking close.

People are fucking animals.

TAKE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley And then there's the guy that died because he got a horse to fuck him in the ass

Enumclaw horse sex case

The Enumclaw horse sex case was a 2005 incident in which Kenneth Pinyan died from injuries received during anal sex with a stallion at a farm in an unincorporated area in King County, Washington, near the city of Enumclaw. During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon from receptive anal intercourse from a stallion and later died of his injuries. The story was reported in The Seattle Times and was one of that paper's most read stories of 2005. It was informally referred to as the "Enumclaw horse sex case". The video footage was later disseminated thro...

Totally safe for work

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Mr. Hands!

Pro Tip: Don't goole that and if you do don't do it at work and if you do I warned you.

Basically you watch a guy meet death by horse dong.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley yeah not gunna google that if it's what I think it is

Wesley

04:35

@MarkHenderson What goes wrong with a guy to make him do that.

Aerospace engineer by day, horse's wank toy by night. I don't get it.

I'm generally okay with letting people figure their own pleasures out, but that's just...

This is what happens when you and I are left alone in The Comms Room.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley What would you do if you found out your friend was into letting horses fuck him?

Wesley

Bestiality snuff films.

Mark Henderson

(as opposed to actually fucking the animals)

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Talk to him. Try to get in his head.

I don't want him to have his life ruined if he gets caught or seriously injured, so... just see what's up with the guy and if he can be reasoned with to seek some help.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley I don't know what I would do. I would probably make a discreet exit and move to another state

Wesley

04:37

I can't save anyone, but I'd see if I could get him to someone who could.

Or that.

@MarkHenderson Do you need to hushmail me something to get something off your chest?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Ummmm

No

If I ever was going to admit to something horrible I would probably just do it in here and pretend it's a joke

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Jessssss checkin'

Mark Henderson

I've admitted to enough other false things in here :P

Wesley

@MarkHenderson So you're not married and you get blowjobs everyday!

Mark Henderson

@Wesley And my only two kids are the children I borrowed from the local school and have locked in the basement!

Wesley

04:40

I knew it!

Mark Henderson

There's a reason I moved to within 50m from a public school that has a good reputation

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/…

I knew it! THere's no way Netflix would put up with that shit too long

Wesley

That does me proud.

Bob

> There is no way to do this in Java.

That about sums up my experiences.

Journeyman Geek

05:05

naturally

Wesley

People that bark about SSDs not needing to be defragged annoy me. Sure, free space defragmentation isn't a problem, but you'd best believe file fragmentation falling below block size causing more io than necessary is sure a problem for certain filesystems and uses.

@JourneymanGeek You love Java! Just not with chicory.

Journeyman Geek

.... chicory is the tool of the devil

Bob

I'm scared now.

Falcon Momot

yawn

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: thats something that needs to be file system level though

Mark Henderson

05:08

@Wesley When was the last time you defragged a magnetic disk anyway?

Bob

Laptop repaired almost a year ago by manufacturer repair. Again now by extended warranty repair, from a different company. And an ISP tech. Anyone want to guess how they're related?

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek File level chicory? Tell me more.

Bob

@MarkHenderson Windows 7 is pretty good at doing it by itself.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Not since Vista on Windows.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Exactly. So who gives a shit about it not requiring a defrag

Bob

05:08

Vista... introduced auto-defrag, but didn't really do it properly.

Mark Henderson

I havent defragged since Windows XP

Wesley

@MarkHenderson People that are pedantic.

Bob

@MarkHenderson Because IIRC the OS auto-defrag doesn't touch SSDs?

Mark Henderson

And I've never defragged a server

Wesley

Also Vista+ wasting your NANDs on free-space defrags.

Mark Henderson

05:09

@Bob I should hope not

Wesley

@Bob Yeah I would hope it was that smart. I never checked.

I'm cheap and by skanky platter discs for my desktops. =P

Bob

Assuming it knows it's an SSD anyway (RAID, anyone?)

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Eh so do I

Bob

@Wesley I need far too much space for SSDs :\

Mark Henderson

I would put them in some of our servers too, if I could find a way to fit 2.5" SSD's into Dell 3.5" caddies

Bob

05:10

@MarkHenderson Aren't there adaptors available?

We got the 2.5" chassis.

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: I do both

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek I want RAID 0 FusionIO cards over Infiniband!!

Mark Henderson

@Bob The only few I found are not designed for sleds, so they reposition the connectors to the wrong place

I need one that mounts the SSD as far left as possible, not in the center

This looks like it could work amazon.com/Adapter-F238F-G302D-X968D-screws/dp/B0092XOCKA

But: no stock anywhere local that I can find, and it doesn't have the rack servers on the compatibility list

(probably just ebcause they want to rape you for extra dollars for them; the caddies are the same I think)

Wesley

Night, sweethearts.

ZZzzz

Mark Henderson

bai

Falcon Momot

05:22

oh god

-1

Q: permission issue on lamp on fedora

I am using Fedora my Os System and was give permission 777 to /var/www/html using chmod 777 -R /var/www/html Path "/var/www/html/magento/app/etc" must be writable. Path "/var/www/html/magento/media" must be writable. Path "/var/www/html/magento/media/downloadable" must be writable. Path "/var/w...

read his responses to my comments

Iain

05:33

G'day

pauska

05:54

morning

Chopper3

06:05

howdy

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson most of them do center.

I wonder if you could build a laser cut one ;p

Journeyman Geek

06:27

@Wesley oh, if only. I have a SSD for boot, system and most software. Games and various bulk strorage on a 3tb spinning rust drive

dawud

morning

Hail, Lord Darkstar. Hail, Jarl Pauska.

Falcon Momot

yo.

Journeyman Geek

06:44

lo

@FalconMomot: just FYI, my VPS host is having some occational router issues

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek they belong in jail

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: ;p

occationally shit happens

I might experiment with self hosting on fibre when I get it

assuming its reliable

Falcon Momot

oh by the way

instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/…

comodo is offering free s/mime certificates for people wanting non-pgp secure email.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

thats probably useful

Falcon Momot

um, yes

Journeyman Geek

06:49

and reminds me of the current problem I'm procrastinating ><

Falcon Momot

since unlike openpgp virtually every email client supports it out of the box

Journeyman Geek

I'm almost entirely on gmail though >_>

Falcon Momot

yeah, webmail typically doesn't

though

why don't you point thunderbird at gmail?

Journeyman Geek

cause I hardly use email these days

dawud

enigmail + thunderbird || mutt + gpg

Falcon Momot

06:51

yup, and outlook?

Journeyman Geek

and I'm having wierd trouble since namecheap's email hosting went down with sending mails from outlook

Falcon Momot

the other reason I prefer to use s/mime is that accepting it requires no effort on behalf of the recipient, since most mail clients support it already.

dawud

I don't use windows, I don't know :/

Journeyman Geek

need to talk to their support about it but I'm just too busy :/

and its an XP box thats slow as heck and I can't be arsed to document things properly

(yes, I know XP box. I don't really have the option of replacing it at the moment)

Jenny D

07:18

Morning

Falcon Momot

yo

Bob

@JourneymanGeek BVM?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Bob

07:32

@JourneymanGeek Heh. I'm still getting the emails. Never really finished migrating that server either.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: eh. I have some stuff falcon uses on a VM I don't pay too much attention to

I also have a mutual friend who isn't here who I don't need hear me mention it ;p

Falcon Momot

dropbox.com/s/qixlo2ohqd1yoid/result2.txt :D

someone fed a Markov bot 50 shades of grey and the intel ISA manuals, and got that out of it

Journeyman Geek

....

Bob

> He points toward the top. Bit
positions are numbered 0 through
FFFFH. I/O port being read from the Streaming SIMD Extensions access the diagnostic information provided is as mortified as I do.

whut

Falcon Momot

> I don’t want to smile, but I won’t. On the fourth button, the red marks all over the middle bit enables counting on one counter separately. If only variable-range registers were modified and extended in the mirror, gray to blue. I aim for pink.

Journeyman Geek

08:12

thats funny and horrifying all at once

Jenny D

08:50

"No, $CUSTOMER, the patch we put out for the Heartbleed problem two months ago does not fix the new problem that was announced a two days ago. Yeah, unbelievable, isn't it?"

4

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JennyD mondays...

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker Hate them. And Tuesdays are the worst kind.

Dan

10:44

Was just settling in for a quiet few days relaxing and boom, it looks like a whistestop tour back to London to finish up some work where someone has gone off sick

pauska

What's a whistestop?

Dan

I actually had to Google where it came from for you (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistle_stop_train_tour) but it's just used to mean a short stop somewhere

pauska

Ok, whistlestop makes a bit more sense (still unknown to me).. you misspelled it :)

Dan

Haha, so I did. Weird how you read what you want to read, isn't it?

pauska

I'm nearly done with our exchange 2013 migration

piece of shit synchronizer software between our CRM and exchange refuses to work

Dan

11:06

:(

Kick the shit out of it

pauska

I hate shitty integration software

it's the same deal every time.. some BIG incentives for getting integration between x and z to work, and then it's just left to dust

Dan

Yep

Nathan C

12:08

@FalconMomot "His eyes frost as he hands over his credit card without checking error conditions"

Bob

Wow.

C:\Users\Bob>ping 8.8.8.8

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=158ms TTL=47
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=161ms TTL=47
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=158ms TTL=47
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=154ms TTL=47

Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 154ms, Maximum = 161ms, Average = 157ms

C:\Users\Bob>ping google.com

Pinging google.com [220.244.223.55] with 32 bytes of data:

So much for trusting Google's public DNS servers to have a low latency.

Nathan C

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=40
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=40
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=40
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=40

Bob

@NathanC Different location.

Nathan C

@Bob Does a tracert point out why it's happening? It sounds like a congested route

Bob

Wait, Google has a server inside my ISP's network o.O

@NathanC Yea, I was looking at that ^

This is interesting.

And on top of all the ADSL fuckery over the last week, too.

Hm. The latency spike is within Google's network. Looks like they might be routing me overseas -_-

Nathan C

12:15

possibly

What about 8.8.4.4?

Bob

@NathanC Same.

Interesting.

Lucky I don't use it for anything more than latency testing.

Heh. Just had another guy on the same ISP confirm it.

Annnnd confirmed by someone on a different ISP.

Looks like someone fucked up a route somewhere. 150ms is pretty typical of some overseas locations.

HopelessN00b

@Bob Just pour some decongestant into your NIC and stop worrying about it.

ewwhite

@basil know EVA storage?

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Q: HP Command View: Could not find authenticator for Security Domain

I have some HP EVA storage arrays. They are monitored via Command View - the HP management product. Of 8 management servers, a grand total of one will not let me log in using 'domain' credentials - in the logs, the following error message is generated: DOMAINNAME\service_acc, 3248, 4252, 1, Do...

authentication storage hp eva

Bob

@HopelessN00b I'll save that for my nose, thanks.

Fucking sinuses.

No, don't take that literally.

HopelessN00b

@Bob Yeah, sounds like it would be pretty painful to even attempt.

pauska

12:44

@RobM are the exchange 2010 servers removed from your environment?

Basil

@ewwhite No, I had some ideas based on how I know AD from using Netapp and CIFS, but nothing that helpful or conclusive

ewwhite

awww

HopelessN00b

HP's AD authentication's always been... um, "finicky" at the best of times, too.

Nathan C

13:01

dilbert.com/strips/comic/1998-08-24

Jenny D

@NathanC I should get that on a t-shirt.

HopelessN00b

^^I need to find a way to tattoo that on the inside of my boss's eyelids.^^

Because we actually do that. <sigh>

Nathan C

@HopelessN00b hahaha

Cold T

need. to. get. out. of. the. damn. office!

ewwhite

13:29

move to U&L?

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Q: /proc/slabinfo: Input/output error

I am using Ubuntu 12.04 and XFS (kernel 3.2.0-38-generic). Because XFS inode cache use too much memory, I want to limit the number of objects used to cache XFS inode. According to the manual, I can limit the number by writing limit to /proc/slabinfo. But I cannot write to /proc/slabinfo even wit...

linux xfs proc

Michael Hampton

I'm doing my first package builds for EL7 today. Wish me luck.

Iain

have fun

BigHomie

@ewwhite Got my vote.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite What's wrong with the question? Aside from that he doesn't know what he's doing.

BigHomie

@MichaelHampton I didn't know you could write anywhere under /proc

ewwhite

13:35

@MichaelHampton the usual. Maybe I'm just sensitive

HopelessN00b

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Q: Deleting a .lck file in vCenter to release a VM lock ?

I'm working on migrating VMs from esxi 4.1 to esxi 5.5. I was wondering if deleting the .lck file of a VM in the 4.1 datastore would let the 5.5 (connected to that same datastore) take ownership of the VM (by importing it)? It would allow me to migrate it without having to restart the VM (to ...

virtual-machines migration vmware-vcenter locked

You can migrate VMs between vSphere instances by just deleting the .lck file, right?

Danila Ladner

14:09

greetings folks

Mathias R. Jessen

@DanilaLadner greetings

Danila Ladner

such a shitty weather on east coast

these days

HopelessN00b

@DanilaLadner trade ya. I'll take your shitty weather and you can have my ~~shi...~~ really, very tolerable boss.

Danila Ladner

haha.

boss, is like your parent, you don't choose who your boss is

Dan

@DanilaLadner Well, you kind of do

Jacob

14:31

@DanilaLadner You're on the wrong part of the east coast.. Nothing but sunshine to bike in.

@Dan Did they take your offer?

Dan

@Jacob Something came up which means they may be able to afford me on the current agreement, so I've not said anything yet

Jacob

Anybody do amateur meteorology?

radar.weather.gov/ridge/…

wavy.com/radar

HopelessN00b

@Jacob I'm an amateur gynecologist... is that close enough, or not?

Jacob

@HopelessN00b no idea

@HopelessN00b You may be able to assist with this:

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Q: Are same-sex marriages allowed in Skyrim?

If i started a new game as a woman would i be able to marry another woman? if not is there a way (possible using the console) to have a same sex marriage.

skyrim skyrim-hearthfire

@HopelessN00b The answer turns out to be that it's not enough moisture to reach the ground.

Tanner

@Jacob 'er, was that in reference to meteorology or gynecology?

Jacob

14:45

@Tanner I know nothing of the later

BigHomie

@Jacob I couldn't help it! UPVOTES!!!

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