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00:52
Seriously, Fuck Google.
eh
this is why I've started hating relying on free third parties for critical stuff
(granted, in the case of openid, that's the whole point...)
@JourneymanGeek I think we're going to build an OpenID auth proxy for Google.
@MikeyB I don't see what the hoohaa is about? They announced EOL, they enacted their EOL, they have a migration path... pretty normal stuff
Google EOL stuff all the time
@MarkHenderson EOLing it solely so they can force consumers to register via a different protocol is a real pain in the ass
@MikeyB How do you know that that's their sole reason?
01:02
@MarkHenderson 'cuz Google
01:29
Nice dirt bike bars
why do people take craigs list pictures with a potato
@mossy I've Renthals on my 919. Granted, it didn't come stock with clip ons.
@jscott "Cosmetics are a little rough but Im going to sand down the bottom fairing and repaint it"
Dirt bike bars + ^ = bad time me thinks
Last pic shows how squared off rear tire is. Either the do a lot of super slab commutes or they wheelied the heck out of it.
yeah that bike is bad news lol
The price is what kills me
7199 is too much for an 07 regardless if it was NIB.
01:37
ya.
Unique street bike.
Are you set on an R6?
nah. I want a GSX R600
Just ended up on this R6 page.
I almost went GSXR for my second bike but ended with the 919,
@mossy Not bad, I like clean. Not a huge fan of aftermarket exhaust.
Once the previous owner starts "modifying" you never know what you really have.
@jscott I want the blue and white model
Oh all my bikes will be black from now on. Unless they're uranium green or Honda yellow.
01:46
@mossy for scale.
@JourneymanGeek ah yes. potato for scale
I prefer fake credit cards/anoymous store cards or batteries myself
though, I had someone complain they had no idea what a C battery was
@JourneymanGeek Pretty sure I can find a picture of a D battery online.
sure
B batteries on the other hand...
@JourneymanGeek I was trying to make :15654959 a little less subtle but failed.
It's hard.
LOL. Judge on Law and Order: SVU is Maria from Sesame Street.
@MikeyB Did the kid let you know this?
Sigh. Didn't get my PayPal 2FA SMS again.
They need to fix their shit
01:57
nvidia driver update is stuck at 10%
I'm scared.
@mossy Poke it with a stick
It's this new client they're making people use
garbage
@jscott The wife. She's uncanny.
02:19
Is there even a question here? Or is this some poor implementation of spam?
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@jscott No, that's spam. See the link?
@MichaelHampton Yeah, sorry... I was caught up trying to read through it and determine if there was a language issue before flagging. Then I checked the profile and saw their other question.
02:37
@MikeyB So what you're saying is that you've decided to arbitrarily attribute political and/or business reasons to the technical subject of a well publicized EoL+migration path of a product so you can get all frothy? Sounds legit.
@ScottPack Well publicized eh? Caught a lot of people by surprise - me, users, the Discourse guys, the omniauth gem author, … yeah.
Regardless, pisses me off they're deprecating a perfectly good standard.
@jscott … the fuck?
OK
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Q: Prevent creation of default shortcuts and Favorites in Windows XP SP3?

hpy(1) Whenever a new user is created on a Windows XP SP3 system running Internet Explorer 8, their Favorites folder is automatically populated with a "Microsoft websites" folder and several links in the links toolbar (such as "Customize links", "Free Hotmail", etc.). I cannot accept this behaviour....

Rolling out a brand new Windows XP deployment?!
@MarkHenderson lol
Just go easy. At least he mentions at the end that it's not a good idea
@MikeyB To be fair, I have no clue what you're talking about. @MarkHenderson seemed much more reasonable about it so I assumed he was a more reliable.
02:43
is there a SE iOS app?
@mossy There is
i could google that.
It is sex on a stick
nvm
@MarkHenderson hehehehehehehe
@MarkHenderson Why does that sound familiar? Oh yeah....
02:44
Better yet, I'll open a question on server fault.
How does this change help the Internet? It's all well and good for Google's desire to mine more and more information from the Internet, but the great thing about OpenID is that it could be used by anyone. It's a wonderful thing. — MikeyB 2 hours ago
"anyone know if there is iOS app for this site"
@jscott You have a long memory
@mossy Make sure you get indignant when it's migrated to meta.sf
@MarkHenderson long painful memory .
@jscott Most of mine is repressed
Oh fuck me, delving into a customer-supplied database. They have a 4.5m record table with no PK and no unique index and no clustering
Now I get to query over and over until I find a unique set of keys
Bob
Bob
03:00
@MikeyB I'm starting to dislike Google more every time I hear something about or from them.
Haven't had any good news in a while. Well, nothing I consider good.
@jou does anything use C or D anymore, apart from those giant weapons torches?
@Bob I hear your mom likes a good D battery.
@JourneymanGeek I figured it out! :)
@Bob Boom boxes?
Unless there's another application its useful for...
03:08
I have an new old fashioned alarm clock with a bell that takes a C
@MarkHenderson: bit of a dying breed there.
Though I do have a radio/dvd player that optionally takes em
@MikeyB ok
@MarkHenderson Did you get the batteries from the nightstand?
@MikeyB What are you talking about anyway?
1 hour ago, by MikeyB
@JourneymanGeek I was trying to make :15654959 a little less subtle but failed.
I'm trying to be crude.
I'm not used to it.
A GOOD DICK BATTERING THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
Don't deep fry afterwards.
I still don't know what you're talking about.
Damn, son.
03:13
You keep one-boxing comments you've made but none of them tell me what the fuck you're blathering about.
@ScottPack Aw fuck it. Never mind. I'm going to go get a drink.
I'm serious! I have no clue what you're so angry about!
All I know is that you're angry and @MarkHenderson says it was a well publicized EoL.
@ScottPack I never said it was well publicised
2 hours ago, by Mark Henderson
@MikeyB I don't see what the hoohaa is about? They announced EOL, they enacted their EOL, they have a migration path... pretty normal stuff
Stop putting words in my mouth :P
I said it was announced
I don't know about you but I make sure I keep an eye out for EOL notices for all the services we use
I do too. Being surprised by an EoL is bad juju.
So what was EoLed?
@ScottPack Google's OpenID login.
03:28
Oh cute.
Wasn't it all fucked up and not-standard anyway?
It was pretty standard and easy to use. In particular, new Discourse installs:
Install Docker, install Discourse, spin up service, login with google account associated with the email specified in config, done.
Can't do that anymore.
Gah why do people hate on OpenID?
They do?
I remember aeons ago the SEI guys ranting on blogposts or some such about Google's OpenID implementation and how it was busted from everyone else's and they had to do weird code hacks to make it actually, you know, work.
@ScottPack Maybe, but at least you could use it.
Pretty easy.
I suppose it is easy when everyone else has already done the hard part.
@MikeyB BrowserID ftw!
well, that's the backend protocol. it's actually called Persona now
03:37
I do remember that for quite a long time the entire Internet had moved on to v2 as the One True Standard. Except for Google who rolled out v1.
@strugee Big effin deal. You're just creating an account with yet another provider (Persona).
@MikeyB no, it's a standard.
it's basically OpenID but without all the privacy problems
Woah woah woah. I thought 14.04 went systemd. Why am I seeing an upstart error message.
@ScottPack you think they'd manage to roll out systemd that fast, you're insane. and on an LTS release?
@strugee Even Mark Shovelface said they were following Debian's lead and going with systemd.
03:42
@ScottPack I know. I'm just saying that changing init systems is a big bloody change
takes time
put another way: so?
@strugee I don't see how those are mitigated.
@ScottPack No, upstart. Which is great. All of a sudden, whenever I boot my computer I have to manually emit filesystem PREVLEVEL=s to get it to boot more than halfway. Wonderful.
@MikeyB you're familiar with the protocol design? and OpenID's problems?
@MikeyB I must have misread/remembered then. I thought 14.04 was the release to roll out systemd. Too bad.
@strugee OpenID, more or less yes. I mean, sure you can login to multiple websites with the same provider. And the provider has all the login info.
@MikeyB essentially the problem with OpenID is that it leaks login referrers to the OpenID provider. in other words, in the OpenID system, the OpenID consumer negotiates auth details with the OpenID provider directly (and so the OpenID provider can log what sites choose to negotiate auth for a given user)
03:47
@strugee But guess what - the provider can be YOU. Very first time I logged into SF it was with the openid.mydomain.mdmarra.local/michael endpoint.
@MikeyB true, but do you think most regular users will be willing to do that? you and me, yes. most people, no.
OpenID has other problems too, mostly having to do with UX.
@strugee But if you give a shit about privacy at that point, you can have it.
the common OpenID UI implementation where you have the logos of a bunch of common providers, and one textbox for alternates, is super ugly
@strugee Persona can't see every site I log into?
@strugee What's wrong with that? I think it's great. OK, SF's used to look good, it now looks hideous. But that's not an OpenID problem.
@MikeyB yes, but we shouldn't (IMHO) be content with fixing privacy for ourselves. I'm not content to sit in a concrete privacy bunker while the rest of the internet goes to surveillance hell
@MikeyB no, because it uses a JS shim or (eventually) the browser itself as an intermediary. the only thing the provider ever sees is a browser making auth requests. not the actual consumer.
03:52
@strugee I am. If people can't be bothered to step up and learn something, anything, forget 'em.
I'm tired of people just not giving a shit and saying ERMAGERD COMPUTERING IS HARD. Tough love, motherfuckers.
@MikeyB it's superfluous and clunky. why would you have a MyOpenID button if the user doesn't use MyOpenID? it's a worthless piece of UI.
@MikeyB so you think that users should learn how to admin a server to get privacy? that's ridiculous.
@strugee A few big buttons, easily visually scannable and identifiable. When SF's login used to look like this:
EASY
@strugee OK that is pretty cool, I haven't really looked at Persona before. But still, now we're dependent on Mozilla's Persona server.
@MikeyB I don't use Yahoo, therefore, that (large) button is worthless to me. and what if I use MyOpenID (because I'm a stupid bastard and haven't noticed their notice that they'll be shutting down)? now I have the terrible experience of having to copy and paste my URL.
ok, I gotta find a better example than MyOpenID, given that they're EOL. Launchpad will be ok. I guess.
@MikeyB which part, the JS shim or for authentication endpoints?
@strugee Yeah, 95% of people will click the OpenID provider button, 5% will type in their endpoint. Of course if you're smart you'll have a bookmarklet that pastes it into the current field.
@strugee The auth endpoint. myfavoritebeer.org ← the Persona demo. Have to have an account on persona.org - centralized identity.
the JS shim will eventually go away and be replaced by native code in the JS engine.
04:02
@strugee Yeah to be honest, openid.mydomain was a cname to myopenid and I haven't bothered updating it since they went EOL but DAMMIT I CAN IF I WANT TO! :)
@strugee Sure, yahoo is useless to you. But that takes probably around 50ms of cognition to scan and recognize a service you can use to authenticate.
The really funny thing is that a way to provide this authentication was in place 20 years ago. But who wants to pay for x.509 browser client certificates? :)
the Mozilla Persona auth server is just what's called a secondary IdP (identity provider). it's only used to bootstrap Persona on sites that don't natively support it yet. once a site natively supports Persona (i.e. is a primary IdP) then the system becomes fully decentralized.
@MikeyB but it makes the webpage feel cluttered.
and in any case, even if it can be done, most websites don't have OpenID logins nearly as nice as the screenshot you posted.
@strugee mmmm OK. I just realized: "Hey! How does persona.org know I was logging into myfavouritebeer.org?" (from the activation email)
@strugee SF used to be that nice.
@MikeyB I'm sure it was. I wasn't on SE then so I can't comment.
...and how is it now? :P
@strugee fucking hideous
@MikeyB eeeeeeexactly.
04:08
@strugee That just means SF made it look like crap, nothing else.
@MikeyB another advantage of Persona is that it just works with an email address, which users already understand. to them, a Persona account isn't an "Persona account", it's just an email address.
@MikeyB but most websites do that, too. with Persona it's impossible for websites to create such a crappy UI because there's literally only one button. the rest of the UI is handled by either the JS shim or (eventually) the browser.
@strugee OK I'll have to look more at that. Looks like they're doing things right.
@MikeyB yah!
one of the coolest things, IMHO, is this project codenamed BigTent
basically what it is is that when you login to a large provider (e.g. Google) that doesn't yet support Persona, instead of sending the annoying confirmation email, the secondary IdP will auth you via OpenID. so you get this seamless experience.
another convert!
/me whistles off into the sunset
man, I don't think I've ever seen the Comms Room this desolate.
 
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05:43
@strugee It's been quiet since @wesley got a job
@MarkHenderson ooooooohhhhhh hahaha
congrats, @Wesley!
06:10
rabbit hole
thanks, Simply because the render farm is dedicated to my own needs and it is not needed to render 24/24 7/7. So I need to turn it only when I have to render a project and off until I start another project. How are admin dealing with thousand servers for example? Even if it's only once every 2 years, for whatever reason, they probably don't do it one per one. — Laurent 57 secs ago
@ewwhite Cloudzzzz
@ShaneMadden maybe it's a good question... how DO admins power off and power on all of their servers?
G'day
@ewwhite Write something that'll hit the iLO API to power up the server, I suppose. That's how VMware's DPM does it
@MarkHenderson he did what?
06:18
@pauska :)
@pauska He's a Monga
@MarkHenderson harsh
@pauska He got a job with MongoDB
Im trying to find the post where he announced it but I can't find it
And it's home time
So cya
06:37
May 14 at 20:58, by Wesley
Well, it's official. I just signed the legal documents to become a full time employee as Support Engineer for MongoHQ!
Bob
Bob
@ewwhite drive to the DC and walk down the rows hitting power buttons? :P
06:52
Morning
Morning
 
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08:23
I tweaked my Server Fault userstyle and removed the code to make blockquotes and code look different in anticipation of Anna's fix going live RSN :)
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2 hours later…
10:07
And Anna's fix is live and working.
@ShaneMadden zdnet.com/… Weta say the cloud sucks for VFX. And they'd know.
Dan
Dan
Anyone got a Server 2003 box?
@Dan HAHAHAHAHHahahfgahghjaf no.
Dan
Dan
@pauska I've got 140 problems and 2003 is 140 of them :D
Well, when I say I - what I mean is the cmopany that's paying me extortionate rates for bank holiday weekend work. That Zbook 17 is mine!
I recently watched an episode of House M.D. where they needed a Dutch translator, so House paid for a webcam session with a Dutch stripper. Would this be a possible route? Can't be too difficult to find a Russian speaker.. — Tom O'Connor ♦ 25 secs ago
11:17
Anyone used Comcast Business for a leased line? 100Mbit ethernet circuit..
@TomO'Connor But how many of them are in the IT industry?
(answer: not enough)
12:05
Morning everyone
afternoon ;)
Morning
ello mates
So when I made dinner yesterday I somehow managed to cut myself with the chef's knife ...my index finger on the hand that was holding the knife >.>
you held it upside down didn't you
12:12
I guess I pressed too hard on the top of the knife and it made a nice little gash. Didn't hurt and I didn't notice it until I saw blood on my fingers lol
But, homemade spaghetti was successful and delicious :3
Someone brought me a badge this morning...apparently it got run over by a fork truck O.o
Yep...toast. :P
lol
I have to admit I am starting to like python. Weird.
12:17
$28.02 was my gas bill this month (for my apartment) - I'll take it.
@JennyD are you getting the monty python jokes in the code?
Got my Raspberry Pi in last night... now to figure out how to make this damn 2.8" TFT LCD work
unless it came with software, you'll have to make it
that's part of the fun :)
Yeah someone made a driver for it, but it's mediocre at best, so it will take some tweaking
you'll have a blast
12:19
@Colyn1337 You mean when rage takes over and he straps some dynamite to the poor Pi? :P
rofl
there are those moments
I had them with the arduino
I assure you
brb, coffee doin its thang
@Colyn1337 Yep!
just the fact that the shell/editor is called "idle" :-)
@NathanC I need to show that to the teacher
@JennyD One of my favorites from XKCD. I picked up python a few months ago but didn't really have the time
12:42
@RyJones ftr that's a commendable thing, more people should sacrifice for their kids, time if not money
@BigHomie For some reason my brain skipped over "for" in that sentence. It didn't sound like something you would say.
logon scripts are evil
12:58
LIES
Coming in to work every day to sit across from someone who hates you as much as you hate him, and dreading every word out of his mouth... I'm sure this will never get old... sigh
scored a Dell Optiplex 780 from work for my XBMC machine

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