The Comms Room

cole

00:00

ohh it's a straight walk - good, I can get really drunk then!

ready to go when you are

Jacob

@cole NO comment. Ok, meetup?

cole

in the lobby?

Jacob

@cole That works.

cole

I'll be the short guy standing there on his phone, obviously.

headed down now

Jacob

@cole I'll be the guy who looks like he's from the beach, because I AM!

Andrew

00:05

@Jacob @cole pics!

Journeyman Geek

@cole standing... on your phone?

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek He's got an Otterbox. Gives him an extra half inch standing at the bar.

Journeyman Geek

;p

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Oh, hai @JourneymanGeek ... by the way, when you get made a moderator on SU, you really gotta start doing something about that site. I have over 100 active flags at the moment!

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Translation: Dear @JourneymanGeek, please to be killing people.

Journeyman Geek

00:14

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork: you're flagging too much all at once ;p

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley Just the majority of SU users that have that coming to them. =P

@JourneymanGeek Please, I didn't even hit my flagging limit yesterday.

Journeyman Geek

(But then again, I suspect I have probably more flags than anyone on SU....)

also, I can probably help clear SOME of the flags with the 10K tools

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek Be like the hardcore Oprah of SU. "And you get murdered! And you! AND YOU!!"

Or would that be like a sadistic Sesame Street Count?

Journeyman Geek

lol

I only do that to spammers

Wesley

"That's one! One murdered SuperUser! TWO! TWO murdered SuperUsers! THREE!" lightening flickers.

Journeyman Geek

00:23

actually the SU moderators can attest to some of the seriously snarky comments I make when I know the spammer is a real person

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek Does it involve cheese graters?

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: only if I'm feeling merciful

I once posted a rant on how whoever hired the poster for SEO was paying him too much and he ought to be fired...

post was deleted by the OP

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek Probably afraid you'd mention it to the company.

I've had spam comments show up on my blog that I know the marketed company probably didn't have any idea that their SEO company was using questionable tactics.

Wow that was the worst most grammatically incorrect sentence I've written in 2014.

Anyway, I seriously considered contacting the company that was being promoted and asking them if they knew someone was using black hat tactics to SEO them.

Journeyman Geek

Yup, evil but effective

also googling a product and seeing a rant over their SEO practices will likely be counter productive ;p

Basil

Should I start an IT blog?

Wesley

00:38

@Basil Just so long as you keep it somewhat updated. Once a month at a minimum.

@Basil You could always guest post on my blog to start with if you'd like!

cole

@Basil YES

About storage

Basil

I'm not sure whether it would be wise, though- stodgy bastards at the office might stalk me and try to get me in trouble if I talk about things that might be considered private

Wesley

@Basil =/

Basil

Maybe I could use a pseudonym

Wesley

@Basil Basil... Rathbone?

Basil Rathfulbone?

ewwhite

00:40

Our Very 1st DevOps Engineer

OrderGroove

devopspythonautomationcontinuous-integration

OrderGroove is looking for an extraordinarily talented, passionate and naturally curious individual to join our…

Posted on Careers 2.0 on April 23, 2014

Basil

@Wesley I wouldn't want to use my SE account- it's too easily traceable to my google account, which has my real name

Wesley

@ewwhite Send all resumes to [email protected]

cole

Awe how cute "My First DevOp."

ewwhite

OrderGroove's back-end platform is written in Python combined with the Django framework and the front-end is pure JavaScript that we wrote ourselves - PuppetChefSaltGoTwerkRubyScrogAgile

2

cole

I'm already on my second beer

Andrew

00:47

@ewwhite you saw the "programming sucks" essay? yeaaaah let's build a suspension bridge with support columns and a wooden sidepath without handrails and ...

ewwhite

@Andrew haven't seen it

kce

Does @MDMarra still ServerFault?

Andrew

@ewwhite stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@kce He's probably busy LOPSAing.

cole

I have yet to see @MDMarra

Shane Madden

01:02

@cole Oh you're there? You should track down George and Tom and say hi.

Andrew

What is the likelihood of getting StackExchange to sponsor a Linux conference, given they run everything on ASP.NET on Windows?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Andrew Depends on whether or not they figure they can make money from it, probably.

SU, what a mess.

Andrew

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork how do SE make money anyway

Journeyman Geek

ads and careers

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Andrew A little of ads, but most of it off of the careers.SE part, which costs employers to post a job opening. (5k/posting, IIRC.)

Given how many of those companies are Linux/DevOps heavies, they might see a Linux conference as a good way to raise their profile for careers.SE... but only they can say for sure.

Andrew

01:16

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork who would I talk to? I'm not in any way involved with the conference though.

Shane Madden

@Andrew They (err we) were a sponser at gophercon.com last week - and yeah, exposure for careers is the goal of things like that I believe.

cole

@Shane yes I'm here!

Shane Madden

(and we do have critical linux stuff - HAProxy, Redis)

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Andrew, thar ye be... Shane works for SE now.

Andrew

@ShaneMadden lcauckland.org.nz/about.html - January 2015. Main sponsors are usually HP, IBM, RedHat, Google...

Linux.conf.au

linux.conf.au (often abbreviated as lca) is Australasia's regional Linux and Open Source conference. It is a roaming conference, held in a different city every year, coordinated by Linux Australia and organised by local volunteers. The conference is a non-profit event, with any surplus funds being used to seed the following year's conference and to support the Australian Linux and open source communities. The name is the conference's URL, using the uncommon second-level domain .conf.au. The conference is one of three major, international, grass-roots open-source conferences world wide....

Shane Madden

01:19

@Andrew Gotcha. I'll see if I can figure out who on the marketing team to ask, but not sure if they're targeting AU/NZ right now.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

01:35

@Andrew You guys have Linux conferences in Australia? That's incredibly irresponsible... you should be focusing on defending your country against man-eating spiders and such.

Joel E Salas

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Linux is how you do that

HopelessN00b Genius of network

I don't understand. How does Linuxing stop baby-eating dingos and man-eating spiders?

cole

@JourneymanGeek yes, directly on my phone

Was drinking this tonight: beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26676/72504

Shane Madden

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Home defense automation!

Jacob

@ShaneMadden I saw George.

@cole We should've taken a selfie :P

Shane Madden

01:47

@Jacob Nice! If you see him again, harass him about how he doesn't have any Server Fault stickers.

cole

@Jacob I should have, dammit.

Jacob

If I knew you didn't I have like 3000 of them.

@cole Quick, we can impromptu it.

cole

I've already removed my pants, that's too much effort. Tomorrow!

Jacob

I'm going to exercise in about 40 minutes after I relax on this awesome couch.

@cole Oh and FYI, I was about to flat out buy dinner before you pulled out your corp Amex :P Should've waited

Also, what restaurant can't split a check?

cole

Seriously wtf

I was like WHY AM I DOING MATH RIGHT NOW. I'VE BEEN DRINKING

Jacob

01:51

@cole I was DURPing so bad too.

Sorry 'bout that

Basil

heh

HopelessN00b Genius of network

-1

Q: How to setup raid 5 on a s2600cp4 and then install windows server 2012

Having a problem getting windows server 2012 installed on a raid 5 array, that was setup using intel ESRT2 RAID Here is the hardware Intel S2600CP4 system board Intel P4000 chassis Intel Xeon E5-2620 CPU (dual) Intel Raid c600 rksata8r5 64gb Kingston DDR3 ECC 1600 memory 3 X 2tb Western digital ...

cole

@Jacob no worries, surprised I was able to - didn't realize I had such a buzz still i got up to my room lol

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Someone is trying to install Server 2012 on FakeRAID w/ RAID5.

Jacob

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork haha

cole

01:52

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork seems legit

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@cole I told him he'd be better off filling the server with thermite and lighting it on fire.

Jacob

I was like " WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN?"

cole

HOW DO I NUMBER

ugh have to be up at 8am - what kind of fresh hell is this conference anyways?

Andrew

@cole @jacob photos!

Jacob

@cole Seriously, when she was like I need the totals I thought can I just pay for it to make the math go away?

@Andrew We forgots sorry

cole

01:55

@Andrew tomorrow!

Jacob

I saw the ping, and then food arrived

cole

and then math happened, then rain

and beer (for me)

Jacob

@cole Yeah, it's nice outside. WAIT NO NO IT ISN'T! RAIN. ABORT!

cole

that's pretty much what happened

Jacob

So that was our experience summed up right there. Create a mental picture from it?

Bob

01:59

And back to dealing with SAML. Fuck SAML.

Jacob

Where's @markHenderson at today?

Shane Madden

@Bob SERIOUSLY THOUGH.

cole

@Bob FYL

this bed is huge & i'm so small.

Journeyman Geek

@cole must be a tough phone ;p

cole

@JourneymanGeek i'm just very small.

Jacob

02:04

I'm taller than someone at least, but not by much.

@cole Oh almost forgot. "Can I have sweet tea?" "We don't have sweet." "Shoot I'm not in the south anymore :("

cole

You tried!

Jacob

@cole I know it happens to me everytime.

I'm like fuuuuuuuu

Seriously now I know why everyone drinks beer

cole

Seee

When you turn 21, you will as well.

I've never met a SysAdmin who doesn't drink.

Journeyman Geek

@cole: I probably will never.

cole

@JourneymanGeek e_e

Basil

02:11

I don't really drink

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Drinking is the only way to deal with the horrible flashbacks to the horrible users and the horrible systems and the horrible bosses.

tylerl

VMware are all bastards.

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Journeyman Geek

partially religious reasons. Partially cause I'm a recovering soda addict.

tylerl

(my opinion)

cole

@Basil you apologize for that!

tylerl

02:11

(not medically proven)

Journeyman Geek

mainly the latter ;p

Basil

@cole heh

cole

Beer > *

Journeyman Geek

If I drank, I'd probably end up with a permanant hangover, a wall of bottles and a liver like swiss cheese

Jacob

@tylerl I'm sure there's a reason you feel that way.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

02:12

@JourneymanGeek And... what's so bad about my life?

cole

@JourneymanGeek so...like @HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork and I.

Jacob

So it can't be completely wrong.

Journeyman Geek

probably worse. ;p

cole

@JourneymanGeek then you'd be dead.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Jacob

02:13

@cole Bro, you were having problems with math at 2 beers. :)

cole

@Jacob I also drove a lot and those were IPAs

Journeyman Geek

(and I'm not joking about soda addicition. I was doing a large pet bottle a day)

now I'm down to a can a fortnight

cole

@JourneymanGeek wow

Jacob

@cole I drove more than you did :P

Journeyman Geek

(and I cut waaaay back on my overall caffeine intake when I was recovering from my breakdown)

Jacob

02:15

So I want to go work out, but I don't really want to run into anybody. Situation, stuck.

Journeyman Geek

I'm down to one mug of milky indian style coffee a day

and LOTS of water

cole

I'm off to bed

goodnight

Basil

cheers

Jacob

So, I'm going to ninja my way to the fitness center and hope no one is there.

leeand00

hmm

Anybody here?

Jacob

02:24

@leeand00 nope

leeand00

you know any place to discuss vmware hardware...ah and fast?

This isn't the place for asking questions but there are people in this room.

Basil

@leeand00 Intel server with lots of ram. Pretty simple...

leeand00

eh, like this: tech.woot.com/?ref=gh_tc_2

Jacob

@leeand00 Well you can ask on the main site, or if you really need fast you can hire one of the many people that consult on the side

leeand00

But that's not a server...

No this is for personal use

Jacob

02:27

@leeand00 That's a desktop

leeand00

exploration and education

Basil

Oh then it doesn't matter what you run

leeand00

Yeah not a server...

Jacob

So why do you need it fast?

leeand00

But if it runs VMWare that'll probably be good enough

Jacob

02:27

and what do you want to ask?

leeand00

I want to run multiple vms on it

Bob

Whoever designed SAML is a sadist.

leeand00

It has alot of ram and an i7

But I've heard ESXi is a little picky

about hardware

Bob

Whoever implemented it on ADFS... I don't even know.

Jacob

@Bob There's a work for it in German, I have to think of it

Bob

02:28

I don't want to know what drugs they were doing.

Jacob

@Bob ahh schadenfrunde

leeand00

@Bob sometimes it seems like designers are on drugs until you try to solve the problem yourself...

Andrew

I drink socially. I wouldn't want to drink at work.

leeand00

@Bob then it all makes sense.

Jacob

@Bob The person who designed SAMl is a schadenfreunde

Bob

02:29

@leeand00 They'd have to be on drugs to make it through the SAML spec without going insane (or they just went insane, that works too). So, yea, probably.

leeand00

@Bob Use Tiddlywiki...it'll make more sense.

Jacob

@leeand00 That doesn't even make sense man.

leeand00

It does to me...

Jacob

Anyhow, ninja time.

@leeand00 Do you know what SAML is?

leeand00

No I'd have to look it up, but he said it's a spec.

Jacob

02:32

@leeand00 You can't recommend things to people without knowing what they need to solve....

@leeand00 It's an SSO provider, you can't just swap that.

leeand00

And I use tiddlywiki when I can't figure something out...ya take the information and break it into smaller pieces and categorize the information with tags...

I dunno I'm just telling you what works for me.

Oh like OpenID or something

...so it has to be a server huh?

:-p

Journeyman Geek

@leeand00 I seem to recall the main thing you need to be careful about is the disk controller. It was uber picky about that

MikeyB

Hmmm... tempted to pick up a new DID: 1-844-GOT-ROOT?

Jacob

@MikeyB I want it, well if I consulted I would.

MikeyB

@Jacob Actually it's 844-g0t-r00t which isn't quite as awesome.

Jacob

02:42

@MikeyB yeah nope

Mark Henderson

@jacob pooping

Jacob

@MarkHenderson nice.

MikeyB

voip.ms/m/customtollfree.php

Mark Henderson

That and being sleep deprived, or changing nappies, or trying not to get pissed on, or wiping up shit explosions that escape the nappy

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson 844.700.7464 is free

Journeyman Geek

02:44

-1

Q: CD drive keeps opening and closing

In the robotics/engineering lab at school, there are about 40 HP computers. In the back of the room are six computers whose CD drives will continually open and close seemingly only when I am near them. Perhaps it is a function of me not noticing when I am not close by, but even if that is true......

windows-7 disk-drive

Mark Henderson

Or cuddling a hysterical baby or trying to get her to sleep or sleeping or giving attention to my other child so they don't feel neglected and trying to get him to not be scared of his sister

Journeyman Geek

one of the answers is hillarious

Mark Henderson

@mikey ??

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson 844-p00-ping

Mark Henderson

Hah I should make that her ipv6 address

2001::8447:0074:6400

Journeyman Geek

02:49

apparently part of facebook's ipv6 addresses is face b00c

Shane Madden

@JourneymanGeek 2a03:2880:2110:df07:face:b00c:0:1

HopelessN00b Genius of network

What a weird coincidence, eh?

Journeyman Geek

yeah ;p

Andrew

Oh dear god. NO! FakeRAID and RAID5 are evil enough when separate. There is no justifiable reason for putting them together. Just save yourself some time, fill your server with thermite and set it on fire. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 1 hour ago

HopelessN00b Genius of network

true story, that.

Guy who said it must really know what he's talking about.

Chris S

03:19

@JourneymanGeek When we had desktops with CD drives that was my prank of choice - CD Open - CD Close - Lather, Rinse, Repeat

Andrew

03:33

Sigh, trying to troubleshoot out-of-date software... on Windows XP... nuke from orbit and move on :/

So I notice that windows-xp doesn't mention it being EOL yet.

Commenter: "Windows XP is EOL"
OP: "The tag wiki doesn't mention that so I assumed I can get support for it here"

leeand00

@JourneymanGeek Yeah I heard someone say it's picky about the NIC too...

Andrew

04:27

So: should Microsoft keep patching XP? arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/…

Bob

05:05

@Andrew ...for fuck's sake

Journeyman Geek

SImply? they probably made that patch anyway, they look less bad, and anyone who is sticking with XP will likely do so anyway.

Andrew

> I've already had two follow-up calls from clients pretty much telling me that they don't trust my advice anymore, since I've been reiterating over and over that Windows XP wouldn't be receiving any more patches after the April date for the past year.

> Assuming I can regain their trust, it'll be another year before they even consider upgrading because "Microsoft will keep giving patches, you'll see".

They are just shooting themselves in the foot. "No more support! Ever! Oh ok..."

Shane Madden

If anyone's claiming this as an excuse to not upgrade, they deserve what they're gonna get in 2 or 3 months.

It's a nastier vulnerability than usual patch tuesday fare and they recognize that some people who are trying to move haven't gotten there yet. (I still need to get my mom moved over to her new laptop, heh)

Journeyman Geek

05:23

lol

my dad's still on XP

will likely be for a while

Bob

05:49

@ShaneMadden They deserve it, sure, but all the people telling them will get blamed in the meantime (and later, too).

Shane Madden

@Bob Aren't we used to that in this profession by now?

Bob

06:06

@ShaneMadden Is it too much to hope for some change?

Shane Madden

@Bob In shops still using XP? Yeah, it probably is.

Bob

@ShaneMadden looks over at another computer uhhhhh

Jenny D

06:30

Morning

Dennis Kaarsemaker

G'day

Iain

G'day

Andrew

07:27

G'night

Iain

@Andrew Couldn't you do it yourself ?

Iain

07:56

@freiheit I told it I was in the UK and yes there are 3 apps that it can upload from, I entered some stuff manualy

Dan

08:09

Journeyman Geek

;p

faker

looks like I acknowledged the wrong alert at 4:00am - oops!

dawud

morning

Rqomey

09:16

@tylerl whats the problem?

also mornin all!

Chopper3

My Friday gift to you all...

Jenny D

I wish you wouldn't do that...

Journeyman Geek

oh just what the fuck

hm

>_>

bit of mod-abuse but beats the alternative

I forgot I could do that till I saw the flags ;p

Jenny D

09:36

thanks for removing it, I prefer my Friday gift to not get me fired for watching inappropriate things in the open office...

Chopper3

sorry, I'm a silly

Jenny D

@Chopper3 np, it happens... I wish there were a way to hide stuff in the chat from the user side.

2

dawud

I'm tracking one of my kittens with a GPS thingy and it's so funny g-pa.ws/R5UU4U

Jenny D

@dawud I'll want to get that when we install the cat flap. Only problem is one of the beasties refuses to wear a collar.

dawud

@JennyD this one is really tiny, and Sofi does not like a collar very much neither, but they tend to get used to it

Jenny D

09:44

@dawud Arthas always takes his collars off. After the first month or so of us putting it back on, he started waiting until he got outside before removing it, so we wouldn't be able to find it.

We've tried a number of different varieties. He's more stubborn than we are.

dawud

@JennyD heh, they are smart like that

Jenny D

@dawud That cat is scarily smart.

The other two have collars and have no problem with it.

dawud

09:57

@JennyD meanwhile, in the basement

Jenny D

@dawud naawwww... .much better Friday gift!

dawud

mommy is a beautiful tiny black kitten, owners dropped her and the babies in that very box a couple of weeks back in the spot where my girlfriend feeds the local ferals.

Jenny D

@dawud sounds like some charming human beings...

Iain

10:36

@JennyD stackapps.com/questions/3019/…

that helps

Jenny D

@Iain thanks!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Basil

11:24

morning

faker

the German government got the opinion of a US law firm, that if they interview Snowden and afterwards visit the US their political immunity could be revoked and they can be charged with criminal offense or conspiracy. wtf

Basil

Someday we're going to look back at this like we look back at watergate

that or this time, the politicians will win

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Here's a friday gift:

Basil

Classy.

cole

That's disturbing.

Journeyman Geek

11:38

Thank you. I MAY NEVER SLEEP AGAIN

@Basil in a wider view, they always seem to

Nathan C

11:54

In route to Philadelphia...

pauska

@NathanC On the playground where I spent most of my days

Nathan C

Heh. An hour later it's off to Cleveland

Basil

@pauska chillin' out maxxin' relaxin'

This is a story all about how I started drinking.

2

cole

12:19

I need an adult.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@cole by age or behavior?

BigHomie

12:40

2

Jacob

12:59

@cole What you need is coffee.

Secops Monkey

Fixing Time Synchronization in Windows

posted on May 02, 2014 by Scott Pack

Keeping correct time is understandably pretty important. Without correct time logs are unreliable, for both troubleshooting and investigations, domain logins don't work since Kerberos tickets have time based expiration, SSL/TLS won't work for the same reason. In short, invalid time is all kinds of bad for numerous reasons and the failures may not be obviously due to time skew. At ${d…

ewwhite

13:12

do any of you automate the analysis of system performance trends?

every few weeks or so, I end up looking at my monthly/quarterly system performance graphs to try to spot tends or potential issues

Jenny D

@ewwhite I wish I could say yes...

Collecting them is easy. Analyzing them is hard.

ewwhite

For instance, this is a pretty normal pattern...

BigHomie

@ewwhite I don't, but I might be able to help. What format does it come in? CSV?

ewwhite

Whereas this would indicate issues...

Here, I can see the effect of a SAN latency improvement...

@BigHomie RRD format...

But it seems like this is something that really isn't automated... more of a manual check

BigHomie

@ewwhite Not yet, but if this is something that would be a common thing to do

ewwhite

13:19

I look every few weeks... to see what happened and what's happening

Jenny D

The problem is that in order to automate it you need to have a system capable of learning what is normal and what is not. This is not something most people can put together on their own - we humans are very very good at noticing patterns and breaks in them, but defining it well enough that a computer can do it for us? That's hard.

ewwhite

@JennyD That's true. So this really becomes another thing to add to the list of monitoring.

BigHomie

@JennyD Agreed. In addition though, some things can be accounted for like a break in the pattern. The monitoring solutions do this by having the user define an allowable percentage, and to alert when the threshold is breached, or breached for a certain amount of time. Perhaps in @ewwhite 's second shot, CPU percentage above 60% for hours, for example

Jenny D

@ewwhite I think this is exactly the sort of task that's actually better suited for humans.

BigHomie

Normal would either have to be defined, or learned

kaiser

13:22

Does someone know if Puppet has already something built in to concatenate templates or I have to rely on the third party module?

Jenny D

@BigHomie Yep. But you really want to be able to do stuff like say that CPU should be max 10 except during backup when it's allowed to be at 99 but only for 10 minutes...

Basil

Is there any chance you're overthinking this? When people do more work, systems slow down. If their complaints about slowness can be gotten rid of cheaply by telling them that it's because they're doing more work, you could spend all this time on looking for new business.

ewwhite

@BigHomie right, I caught that. I have threshold alerts and even rising threshold alerts. So OpenNMS can say, "dude, the rate of change of disk space was too high, something's up!"

@kaiser the concat module

kaiser

@ewwhite R.I.Pieenars?

dawud

@JennyD I've looking for intersections between machine learning and sysadmining in general, unsuccessfully for now

ewwhite

13:23

@Basil Are you addressing me?

I use these graphs as purchase justification

Jenny D

@dawud I don't have the math/theory to be able to understand most of the stuff I've found about it...

kaiser

@ewwhite anyway, thanks - author doesn't matter

BigHomie

@dawud Doing some research this summer, care to share some ideas?

ewwhite

Here's one that almost doesn't make sense :)

Jenny D

@ewwhite I have to admit that when I've needed that kind of thing, I've plugged the values into excel and had it draw trend lines. At least the bosses tend to accept it when I present it that way.

BigHomie

13:25

Regular computing has gone to the next level, but sysadmin isn't on the same slope

ewwhite

I think the disk trend graphs become the most interesting. Influenced by so many things... like a developer leaving debugging code in place accidentally... or a label printer in the back of the warehouse gone awry... or a cantaloupe that rolls onto a keyboard and depresses the Enter key for a week or two before being noticed.

faker

@ewwhite I heard a talk from a startup that implemented that finally.io - but you'll need to ship your logs to them

Jenny D

@ewwhite I distinctly recall that one of the times I got told off for being too angry was when a certain coworker turned on debugging in Apache and forgot to turn it off. Twice the same week. When I was on call.

ewwhite

@JennyD Disk full!

faker

although maybe they stopped doing that, their website doesn't mention it anymore

Jenny D

13:30

@ewwhite Yep. In the middle of the night. I pointed out that obviously I hadn't been angry enough the first time, otherwise he would have been to scared to do it again...

dawud

@BigHomie I'm trying to feed info from my current syslog infrastructure to Apache Mahout. I can't really share anything because I haven't accomplished anything useful yet

@BigHomie mahout.apache.org

Jenny D

I've heard people saying good things about logstash/Kibana, but I'm not sure how well it applies to trend analysis.

dawud

I'm already using the so-called ELK stack.

ewwhite

So I did just use this manual process to discover a problem... subtle...

see the orange line

Jenny D

@ewwhite that's the kind of thing that I wouldn't know how to program anything to look for

but it's glaringly obvious to my eyes

ewwhite

13:38

just the accumulation of fax job logs, which showed that the phone lines had jammed following a brief power blip

BigHomie

@JennyD The hard part is determing 'normal'

Jenny D

@BigHomie exactly. And determining whether a deviation from normal is the new normal or is a problem.

BigHomie

that would invovle sampling over a finite time period, then finding an average, min, and max, there's normal

@JennyD HAHA! that's where ~~homer simpson~~ some human comes in, a deviation has to be flagged once, and if not then an automatic re-learning perhaps?

Jenny D

@BigHomie exactly! I do believe that this will be solved with machine learning - but we're not there yet, and how to do it is way beyond my understanding.

Colyn1337

heuristics

BigHomie

13:42

@Colyn1337 INFADEL!

Colyn1337

rofl

faker

program.ohm2013.org/event/337.html it was only a lightning talk

serverfault.com/questions/592718/…

Colyn1337

erm

faker

"all perspectives are welcome" -- well, clearly Linux has the better mascot

Colyn1337

I sense a heavy hand coming

HopelessN00b Genius of network

13:55

This question appears to be off-topic because it is flamebait. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 37 secs ago

BigHomie

@faker Only cuz Windows doesn't HAVE a mascot, cuz it's too busy being awesome :P

discussions are for chat. Enter if you dare. — BigHomie 50 secs ago

dawud

@faker MINIX mascot!

faker

@dawud well, ok I didn't know that one

BigHomie

How much rep you need to chat?!!?!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

20

BigHomie

13:59

Thought it was 10, close enough.

Colyn1337

he's got 90?

the association bonus I presume

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