The Comms Room

Dennis Kaarsemaker

20:00

@MDMarra because devops.

MDMarra

I just want to buy a fucking cable and there are like, 3 different specs for displayport that all support different things, and some cables have pin-20 connected which fucks up wake-from-sleep

daveloyall

I'm not a SF regular. I don't have the rep to answer a protected question. But hey, I did what I could: multiple humans have seen my contribution to the subject. Maybe something good will come of it, maybe not; not worries either way. :)

MDMarra

I just want to plug a fucking monitor in. How did shit get so complicated

It used to be that if you have a fucking cable and you plug the fucking cable in to both sides, the device will fucking work. You might need to set bitrate or some shit, but a cable was a fucking cable

My head is about to explode

daveloyall

@MDMarra because consumerism, I think.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MDMarra that's nowhere near as bad as my problem: I have 2 whisky bottles on my desk, but the glasses are 2 floors away!

MDMarra

20:01

drink out of one directly and bring the other to me

PHILLY ROAD TRIP

Iain

@daveloyall You need to to to meta.serverfault.com - the people here are a tiny subset of the people who use SF. You also need to state what your expectations are

daveloyall

Yeah I was gonna say, what are the glasses for?

MDMarra

Who ratifies this stuff though? IEEE?

Hennes

Aren't the bottles made from glass ?

MDMarra

Who do I direct my rage at?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

20:02

@MDMarra apple.

MDMarra

This isnt apple

Hennes

At the machine

MDMarra

Apple didn't write the displayport and minidisplayport spec

Dennis Kaarsemaker

MDMarra

@DennisKaarsemaker MIKEYB!!!!!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

20:03

is he a canuck?

MDMarra

yup

It shouldn't take me over 30 minutes to pick out a DisplayPort to Mini-DisplayPort cable. It just shouldn't be this complicated.

I shouldn't have to read a spec sheet to hook up a fucking monitor

I'm really about to have a brain aneurism

JohnD

@MDMarra I have a startech MinDP to DP I use on my Dell ultrasharp with my T430 that I can recommend

MDMarra

I was looking at them on Amazon and people were bitching that it had pin 20 connected which caused wake-from-sleep issues

Ry Jones

the pre-Superb Owl rally is going on downstairs

MDMarra

@JohnD Is your Dell monitor 2560x1440?

JohnD

20:06

Yes

amazon.com/gp/product/B002XVYZ82/…

MDMarra

fml

I was about to order it but I read the 1 star reviews

Never read 1 star reviews

JohnD

I really don't fucking care about pushing the on button on my monitor

MDMarra

Reading one star reviews on Amazon will ensure that you never buy anything ever.

Tweeted by mdmarra on January 31, 2014 at 7:54 PM

@JohnD So wait though. If your laptop sleeps and you wake it, does the monitor come out of standby or no

Because I'm hooking mine up to a T430's mDP port as well

Michael Hampton

Funny, I read one star reviews and my usual reaction is "You're an idiot, you were doing it wrong/ didn't read the documentation/ suck at life."

JohnD

Oh. I've never tested that.

If you give me ten minutes I can try that out now while I get some coffee.

MDMarra

20:08

I'd appreciate it

That's what people on Amazon complain about. That if the display sleeps, it doesn't wake properly

JohnD

brb

Ry Jones

great way to organize cables: 25.media.tumblr.com/60017fb972210789f758a33f48243b9b/…

mossy

Today I almost didn't backup a site, thinking "meh this is such a minor upgrade, nothing will break". 20 minutes later. Boop. Site broken.

daveloyall

@Iain @Iain I'd have to have 5 rep to post on meta.sf. :) Anywho, back to work... TGIF everybody!

mossy

backups are so great.

Iain

20:15

@daveloyall that's easy enough to make

JohnD

@MDMarra Yeah if I close the lid or press sleep, and then turn it back on the monitor comes out of powersave mode.

MDMarra

hm ok maybe I'll grab one then

thanks for confirming

JohnD

No problem.

Nathan C

@mossy "I don't need this backup" is famous last words material

:P

mossy

haha.

note for the devs

¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Iain

20:42

@RobM @Dan reference our earlier conversation check out room 101 tonight

Ry Jones

finally legal is reviewing ticket I filed at 05:43 this morning

so much for the two hour SLA

Michael Hampton

Just saw a cry for help from a network admin... mirror.us.leaseweb.net has IPv6 address 2604:9a00:2010:a001:1:face:bad:c0de

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton oh I'd almost pay for that address

Michael Hampton

@RyJones You know the last half of the IPv6 address is yours to do as you wish, right?

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton eh, I let my airport dole out addresses. Anyway... that's been the case since at least 2011: mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-mirrors/2011-October.txt

Michael Hampton

20:54

@RyJones I'm sure the bad code hasn't gone away.

Ry Jones

21:22

network tech needs patch cables. I offer the ones I have - wrong color. you're welcome!

Michael Hampton

Seriously. Do you want to stick one orange cable into a sea of blue cables?

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Especially if that orange cable leads to the beer fridge, yes.

Ry Jones

I offered white, black, blue, and orange flat and round cat6, he wanted red, I think

voretaq7

@RyJones Color is important. Blue cables are primary, yellow cables are secondary, red cables are uplinks

And to optimize signal quality (and make the rack feel pretty) all cables should be in a french braid.

Michael Hampton

Red cables are for strangling.

JohnD

21:32

Patch cables with bling amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-KaBLING-UTP-1450-14H-Snagless/dp/…

Ry Jones

I know it's important, he will be back in a week for the cutover, he can find the right cables then

shrug

Chopper3

amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0557299780/b3ta-21

Michael Hampton

Ehh, give him the pink cable.

amazon.com/CAT5E-Molded-Boot-350MHz-Pink/dp/B000I1YT9O

voretaq7

@Chopper3 wuuuuuut?

MikeyB

hmm it's been a while

# yum upgrade
Transaction Summary
===============================================================================================
Install      93 Package(s)
Upgrade     534 Package(s)
Remove        1 Package(s)

Total download size: 1.0 G

JohnD

21:47

There's a server monitoring product discussion on HN, btw. news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7156291

Michael Hampton

22:09

Oh wow. I just tethered to my phone...and got an IPv6 address.

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton nice

Michael Hampton

@RyJones Yeah. It wasn't doing that last year; only the phone itself got an IPv6 address then.

Oh, and if you haven't played with RHEL 7 yet, be prepared for some strange network interface names.

28: enp0s19f2u5: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 3e:77:56:59:42:d4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.42.148/24 brd 192.168.42.255 scope global dynamic enp0s19f2u5
       valid_lft 42879sec preferred_lft 42879sec
    inet6 2600:1000:b120:ba1c:3c77:56ff:fe59:42d4/128 scope global
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::3c77:56ff:fe59:42d4/64 scope link
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

Ry Jones

looks like a hash of an interface name

pauska

I wonder how far it will go with linux and it's weird network stack

MikeyB

22:25

@MichaelHampton ethernet-physical-0-…?

@MichaelHampton looks more like an lxc interface name (veth6WX9ZP)

Zoredache

@pauska As far as people can imagine probably. That is the feature of the bazaar.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB I give up?

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Does it make those names until you give the interfaces a "static" name? Hrm. Gotta play around with 7.

Zoredache

@MichaelHampton install ifrename, and give them useful names?

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB No, it makes names and they stay the same forever. They don't occasionally reverse themselves like eth0 and eth1 do.

Skyhawk

22:32

cough

Michael Hampton

OK, so p is PCI bus, s is slot, f is function, I have no idea what u means.

Zoredache

@MichaelHampton How exactly are those names derived? Does it have something to do with the pci port, or something? Do they change if someone swaps a network adapter?

Michael Hampton

Probably that it's USB

Probably that it's really USB and not PCI

freiheit

@MichaelHampton WTF is with those names? I've got "eno16780032" for the interface on this RHEL7 VM...

Michael Hampton

@freiheit That one I have no idea

freiheit

22:40

"[ 10.997523] systemd-udevd[620]: renamed network interface eth0 to eno16780032"... why? what? At least I guess I can maybe change that...

Michael Hampton

@freiheit It supposedly gets those names out of the BIOS. See what happens when you pass biosdevname=0 on the kernel command line.

freiheit

@MichaelHampton First I have to find out that that shit lives in /etc/sysconfig/grub now, and involves some script that generates the real stuff....

Shit, they've moved all my things around!

Michael Hampton

7/SRPMS/uucp-1.07-41.el7.src.rpm
... What decade is this?

kce

Hello.

Iain

G'day

kce

22:53

How's everyone's Read-Only Friday going?

voretaq7

@kce I don't observe that holiday

freiheit

@kce I'm breaking this RHEL7 server all sorts of ways

Michael Hampton

The SSL certificate on my mail server just expired.

kce

@voretaq7 - You heathen! Read-Only Friday is one of our most hallowed and sacred traditions! Must you tempt the gods with your doooommm!

voretaq7

@kce fuck that noise, my patch windows are on weekends anyway

freiheit

22:55

@kce I actually have a regular every-2 months patch window on Friday morning

It is a little hard to explain to the users the simple "Friday after the 2nd Monday of odd-numbered months" formula, though.

kce

@voretaq7, Do you enjoy working weekends?

voretaq7

@kce no, but it's part of the job

our customers work weekdays, taking the system offline for maintenance has to inconvenience the least customers, therefore it has to happen on weekends.

kce

@voretaq7 - Do you flex time? Like if work Saturday you get Monday off?

voretaq7

@kce yeah

kce

23:11

Salaried or Hourly?

Zoredache

@kce Someone else was mentioned a job opening in Washington yesterday. I mentioned that they should talk to you.

kce

I think that was @Tanner? I just found a moments time to ServerFault.

voretaq7

@kce salary

I don't enjoy working hourly anymore

kce

@Zoredache I'm not sure how serious I am. I'm just playing with the idea of moving back down south in next year or so... but you know, the right job could certainly expedite that schedule

voretaq7

unless i'm doing contract/project work

kce

23:12

@voretaq7 - Makes sense.

Speaking of jobs did @Wesley ever find something?

Zoredache

yesterday, by Tanner

@Zoredache No job announcement yet. Going by word of mouth for now. The pickings are pretty slim around here... it can be hard to fill the slot with somebody who isn't entirely braindead.

Tanner

@kce Yeah that was me. Sounds like it'd be beneath you though. ;) Entry-level support, probably around $30k...

kce

23:31

@Tanner I'm not sure about that... I'm not a particularly big fish, I'm just in a particularly small pond.

Where in WA are you?

Tanner

@kce Wenatchee

@kce rtannerf.com/job

'tis a lovely little valley

Smack in the middle of Washington, about 2.5 hours from Seattle. The mountain passes can get nasty during the winter, but otherwise Seattle is pretty accessible.

kce

Ah the dry side of the Cascades.

Tanner

23:48

@kce Yup. Also the Republican side...

freiheit

Michael Hampton

So, Edward Snowden has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

freiheit

@MichaelHampton There's a ton of people that can nominate somebody, so a nomination doesn't really mean much...

Michael Hampton

Watch this, they'll give it to Kim Jong-un.

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