The Comms Room

Michael Hampton

13:13

Good morning. I have guns. But I haven't had my coffee yet, and .. What's a DEVELOPER doing in here? BLAM

Anonymous

good day @MichaelHampton

Anonymous

Anonymous

BOFH-approved ethernet cable

Tom O'Connor

@PatoSáinz The etherkiller lives anew.

RobM

the etherkiller. I made one of those for a former pfy as one of his going away presents.

Scott Pack

13:17

@PatoSáinz I like how it's resting on a Cisco.

Tom O'Connor

@RobM I made someone a cat5 o' nine tails.

RobM

He never said if he tested it at his new job or not. They've not mentioned any fires there on the news.

Dan

@RobM Did you ever.....deploy it

Tom O'Connor

He was a kinky bugger.

RobM

@dan I am tempted to do that right now

Anonymous

13:18

@ScottPack i'd murder whoever fried a cisco

Anonymous

or a juniper

Dan

@RobM :D

Scott Pack

@RobM What's the pinout on that? I haven't seen the wiring standard.

@PatoSáinz Because they took the opportunity away from you?

pauska

@ScottPack I really don't think you can miss..

Scott Pack

@pauska It might not really matter, but if there's a standard then why not follow it? Think of your replacement.

RobM

13:20

@ScottPack all I remember is that you need to replace the fuse in the plug with a copper nail

pauska

:)

Anonymous

@ScottPack exactly

pauska

Your power plugs have fuses? really?

tombull89

@RobM oof

Scott Pack

@RobM Fuse? You Brits sure have strange ideas.

Dan

13:20

@pauska Yes, we like our electricity without fires

RobM

amazon.co.uk/Copper-Tree-Stump-Killer-V-Large/dp/B008FK66HS

ewwhite

yeah, but the plugs are sooooo big

pauska

@Dan erm, we do have fuse cabinets here

RobM

that'll hold the little S.O.B.s

pauska

not fuses inside every single plug

RobM

13:21

we have both

Dan

@pauska So do we, though do you have one each room like some bits of Europe?

Bear in mind RCD's are very new for us

pauska

@Dan not necessarily one circuit for every single room

outdoor stuff is always on its own, heating on another one and so on

not sure how many rooms you can put on one circuit

mind that we have 220v 16a for regular outlets

Dan

16a as normal? Ours is all 13

Do you have ring circuits

RobM

vikings can handle more fire than we can.

pauska

I've never seen a 13a fuse here

Tom O'Connor

13:23

@Dan ISTR most US houses are wired hub and spoke.

pauska

and hub&spoke afaik

Dan

@pauska Most fuses are much lower than that

pauska

I'm no electrician

tombull89

@Dan define "new" - we've had them on our laptop cabs for the past four years

pauska

ah we have 240V, not 220V

that would explain the 16a vs 13a

Dan

13:27

@tombull89 New as in my 80's house has old school wire fuses

Iain

@Dan Wow that's late

Dan

@pauska ours is 230v +/- 10v

@Iain So has my parents (1985)

Iain

I guess they persisted longer than I thought

ewwhite

Is this just marketing drivel? - Logicworks turns a corner with managed AWS services

I always wondered if companies pay people to review their services.

But looking at Spiceworks, I see a lot of sponsored forums... by vendors/manufacturers.

It seems we're missing that on Server Fault.

@Iain didn't we used to have sponsored tags?

Iain

@ewwhite I think we still do but not many

@ewwhite mongodb

ewwhite

13:31

Well, on Spiceworks, sometimes people from HP/Dell/Elfiq/whatever chime in.

@Iain random...

I don't even think I know what MongoDB does!

Iain

@ewwhite nor me

@ewwhite you should know

ewwhite

@Iain It was all over my LinkedIn.

and I'm thinking, aren't people moving away from AWS?

Dan

The new version of Citrix can work with "cloud providers", supposedly

Anonymous

Is the etherkiller a safe replacement for power over ethernet?

Dan

@PatoSáinz Same thing

I'm pretty sure it's fully standards compliant

Scott Pack

13:37

@TomO'Connor @Dan Yes, I can say that's true. The norm (for newer homes) is for the mains to terminate at a single panel which contains all of the circuit breakers. Each circuit in the house is fed off a single breaker.

Dan

We saved copper after WWII by using rings, quite clever but also confusing

Scott Pack

@TomO'Connor Ideally that's one circuit per room with dedicated circuits for higher draw or specialty appliances.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Why can't I comment on this article?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton :(

Scott Pack

@Dan In older homes you'll tend to see a bit weird mix. My in-law's home has a modern electrical panel that feeds about half the house and the old original screw in fuse box, which feeds the other house. The cost of ripping that out was a bit much.

Chopper3

13:41

WANT

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Actually that site looks familiar...I might have done some work for them years ago.

I know it was 451 something...

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton really? 451 Research, a division of leading global analyst and data company The 451 Group, is focused on the business of enterprise IT innovation.

Michael Hampton

I don't know if they were quite the leading global analyst back in 2005...

ewwhite

just seems like "you pay us to do press releases"

like prnewswire - prnewswire.com

Scott Pack

@Dan Oh, here's a good picture of one if you're interested. It's actually clean. Each one of those levers correspond to a single circuit. Pretty much just a bunch of home runs. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/…

ewwhite

13:46

do any of you use the StackExchange phone app?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I dunno what they're doing. I haven't really thought about them for a very long time. I think I wrote some WordPress stuff for them. But they don't seem to be using WP anymore....

Scott Pack

@ewwhite No. The guy on the ad scared me.

ewwhite

:(

i want an iPhone app!

Iain

@ScottPack isn't that David Fullerton ?

Chopper3

@ewwhite try grindr

Scott Pack

13:47

@Iain Crazy Eye David? Yeah I think so.

ewwhite

@Chopper3 No, I'm more into growlr, thanks to @mdmarra

Scott Pack

@ewwhite It's true, @mdmarra is more of a bear.

Chopper3

@ewwhite I've got quite a lot of gay mates (media-type that I am darling) and have thus been to many gay clubs over the years - the ONLY one where I got hit on a LOT was at a bear-based one, they really seemed to like the weight I had on me at the time

Scott Pack

Speaking of, how you been feeling lately? You been able to keep up with the fitness routine?

Tom O'Connor

We found an old Sysadmin magazine. This gem was in it.

Dan

13:50

@ScottPack Cool

ewwhite

@TomO'Connor wow... I bought a lot of that stuff.

DAT drives, sill use Esker VSIfax... arcserve...

SCO!!

Dan

I was still at school

tombull89

How many of those names are still around?

1999. I would have been 10.

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 The companies advertising there, very few.

ewwhite

@tombull89 I'll take a shot...

Tom O'Connor

13:53

HP, Seagate, Hummingbird, Wyse, still around.

Legato got borged by EMC

Scott Pack

In 1999 I had just changed my major from theatre production to radio engineering. Those were the days.

MDMarra

@ewwhite ...

Tom O'Connor

in 1999, I'd just discovered that I liked guys.. UNIX wasn't on the top of my list.

ewwhite

I still have a SCO system out there... Informix was the backend for a financial trading system I was implementing as recently as last year...I have VSIfax running at EVERY one of my produce customers, Cactus Lone-tar is my backup software of choice, I have WYse terminals on the produce market POS stations, I have Digi Digiboards for modem communications,

MDMarra

How much DEC?

Surely your produce companies really run off of DEC minicomputers, right? Your RHEL boxes are just for show.

Tom O'Connor

13:57

I used to work at a supermarket that had a VAX 11/780 in the back office.

Apparently it had been there since they built the store in '76

Michael Hampton

In 1999 I was on the helldesk.

Tom O'Connor

or something like that.

Nobody dared to replace it.

MDMarra

I was a freshman in high school in 1999

ewwhite

@MDMarra I started on Digital DEC stations... and Ultrix Unix. 1995/1996 or so.

but many of the things in that ad are still in use at my clients.

Dan

@MDMarra How old are you?

MDMarra

13:59

My mom was a field engineer for DEC before she got pregnant with me and killed her professional career

@Dan 28

Dan

Ah, only a touch older than me then

Tom O'Connor

Blimey. I thought MDMarra was way older.

ewwhite

haha

young 'uns

MDMarra

Negative. I just act like I know what I'm talking about

@ewwhite Listen, dad. You just don't get us kids today.

ewwhite

@MDMarra except with storage spaces, NAS devices, VMware...

MDMarra

14:04

@ewwhite I still maintain that you were way off base telling someone a QNAP box is better than a windows file server for windows clients.

ewwhite

@MDMarra you didn't read the context.

MDMarra

Sure I did. He said all of his co workers only know windows. That screams "windows" shop to me. The fact that his other question asked about FreeNAS says that he's also a tinkerer

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Oh, time to break out all the ancient exploits...

MDMarra

No one uses FreeNAS on purpose

ewwhite

I think @MichaelHampton is going to have to mediate.

What say you? @MichaelHampton?

Michael Hampton

14:07

I say I need more coffee. This is a completely ungodly hour to be awake.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I'm happy with FreeNAS. It's easy and announces itself as a TM backup point.

ewwhite

@ScottPack exactly.

MDMarra

No one uses FreeNAS on purpose in a business

Michael Hampton

What's wrong with FreeNAS?

MDMarra

and just buy a time capsule, bro. Best AP I've ever personally owned

ewwhite

14:09

@MDMarra single unaided disk... nah

Tom O'Connor

Someone's scheduled a 0930 meeting tomorrow.

Who even does that.

MDMarra

@MichaelHampton who uses it for real? People that need NFS in a business just configure NFS on. Linux or BSD. People that needs CISF use Windows or samba.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton the question in question is...

Tom O'Connor

Cole!

ewwhite

3

Q: 2012R2 Storage Spaces Memory and CPU requirements

I am looking at possibly using Storage Spaces in Server 2012R2 to build a NAS off of. I am looking to build a fairly large unit, 12-14 HDDs, in a "RAID10" like setup (I know storage spaces does not do RAID10, but something similar too it), with a SSD for caching. And I am looking to maybe hook a...

Scott Pack

14:09

@MDMarra Too expensive. I already had everything I needed for FreeNAS sitting in a box.

cole

@TomO'Connor sup

ewwhite

@MDMarra Nah, NFS on Linux is a bad VM host target.

(even I don't do that!)

MDMarra

I didn't say VM storage

Tom O'Connor

@cole Not a lot. Just toying with the idea of doing something deeply wrong with Vmware player.

cole

@TomO'Connor oooh like what?

MDMarra

14:10

If we're talking VM storage, your QNAP suggestion is even worse! They're toys!

ewwhite

@MDMarra People seem to get weird about NFS. I had hella clients at LW ask for NFS served from EMC, Isilon, etc.

Tom O'Connor

@cole editing a vmx file after importing an OVA, using Powershell's -Replace argument.

cole

O_O

ewwhite

@MDMarra they've stepped their game up.

synology.com/en-us/products/overview/DS2413+

cole

QNAP has gotten significantly better/more stable.

Depends on the environment though.

ewwhite

14:11

HA, SSD caching, replication, S3/Glacier storage...

VAAI

MDMarra

So has Windows, but you're not recommending an emerging tech from Microsoft because it's too new, but you'll recommend a device that has traditionally been a toy since they've recently stepped their game up? Double standard!

ewwhite

10GbE

Michael Hampton

If your IT professionals have difficulty with a web interface, then FreeNAS probably isn't a good choice. — Michael Hampton 12 secs ago

ewwhite

Admit it... Storage Spaces just aren't that hot.

MDMarra

@pauska uses them extensively from what I hear

It does parity, tiering, etc. I've labbed workloads with them. They're fine.

ewwhite

14:13

SO does TomTom... and he admits the shortcomings.

Chopper3

I've just endorsed one of my PMs for "PowerPoint" - nice backhanded compliment don't you think :)

ewwhite

@Chopper3 LinkedIn?

Chopper3

yes

MDMarra

Everything has shortcomings, you just need to understand them. Fuck, NFS didn't even have real ACLs until v4

ZFS needs a fuckton of RAM for dedupe

ReiserFS kills you immediately post-install

4

Chopper3

@MDMarra I labbed 2012R2 with SS a while back - totally impressed to be honest, the dedupe wasn't as effective as they make out but still

cole

14:14

Sometimes things make me sad - like I just found out our PDCe runs on a Dell PowerEdge 1850.

MDMarra

you just need to understand the animal you're working with

Basil

Morning, you bunch of filthy casuals

cole

@Basil sup

Scott Pack

Morning @Basil.

ewwhite

@MDMarra Dedupe is not a good option in most implementations.

ZFS or otherwise

Basil

14:15

I'm so hardcore I'll be up at 1 AM this saturday

Scott Pack

Speaking of @Basil, excuse me while I visit the men's room.

MDMarra

@Chopper3 yeah, I see 4:1 on VM dedupe but VM dedupe isn't actually supported...so :)

Basil

@ScottPack Thanks for checking in!

MDMarra

@ewwhite it is for file storage

cole

We're moving our file server to 2012 R2.

It's been decided.

MDMarra

14:16

You're thinking strictly VM storage here. That isn't what the question said. You're projecting your experience into the OP

Basil

@MDMarra @ewwhite dedupe is awesome for files. It also works nicely for VMWare

Chopper3

@cole I love it, good job

ewwhite

@Basil depends on how it's implemented... there's always a tradeoff.

@MDMarra the guy has previous questions outlining what he wants to do...

I am looking at one FreeNAS server with 16 4TB drives, 15 of which in a striped zpool, (like RAID50), and 1 saved as a hot spare, there will be no compression, or deduplication on these devices, as that will already be being preformed by the BackupPC, and VEEAM servers backing up to them. I am looking at a second FreeNAS server with the same setup to duplicate the first, and in addition to that, have and additional 3SSDs, and 5HDDs, in a RAID10 with hot spares, that array will be used for a small VM backup datastore, incase I need to move somethings off the SAN in a emergency. — Litzner Jan 23 at 14:52

Basil

@ewwhite yeah, I suppose. I am only really familiar with Netapp and Data Domain, though

cole

@Chopper3 I think it'll be good for us

ewwhite

14:19

Okay, now I'm deducting @MDMarra pay...

cole

My biggest battle yet it to prove to my boss the RAID5 is slow for very active DBs (i.e. NetFlow)

MDMarra

Joke's on you! You don't owe me and money right now!

cole

He says RAID5 is not slow (for writes)

MDMarra

Math

just so the parity calc math for him

Chopper3

@cole My rule is R1/10 or R6/60 - nothing else is valid in 2014

5

MDMarra

14:20

Then do it for a RAID 10 with no parity

ewwhite

@Chopper3 RAID5 on fast enterprise disks.

So said our EMC engineer...

Chopper3

@ewwhite maybe on a 3 x 300GB 15k R5, no more than that though, even that I'd still stick another disk in and go R10

tombull89

Raid 60...eep

cole

I really just want to get our AD environment "fixed" - so I can focus on other things. They're pulling me in way too many directions right now.

Tom O'Connor

RAID 666

(here we go again)

Chopper3

14:21

@tombull89 we use that quite a lot for video content, lets you have large arrays that are well protected

cole

I mean fuck - I was doing some desktop work yesterday.

@Chopper3 I told him we really should be doing RAID10 for the MSSQL DB that houses the Solarwinds products (which is all the monitoring and NetFlow)

ewwhite

I have to realize I can't treat mailing lists like ServerFault...

Chopper3

@cole I'd support you on that 100%

ewwhite

from LOPSA... We're investigating options for doing hardware burn-ins on servers before we hand them off to customers, thanks to a long history of hardware failures within 24-72 hours of handing them over. We're an all-Dell shop, though we are also looking at moving to HP sometime soon-ish (leaving us with supporting both Dell and HP).

cole

@Chopper3 I believe it's currently running on RAID5

ewwhite

14:23

I was going to try to downvote that email...

cole

But I'm not 100% - I know it's on our 6-7 years old Sun 6780.

longneck

Is anyone else having problems with Exchange/Outlook/OWA searches since the latest round of Microsoft patches?

tombull89

are hardware burn-ins really needed on new machines?

ewwhite

@tombull89 no!!!

cole

@ewwhite just saw that and deleted it because I was like WTF

Tom O'Connor

14:24

@tombull89 Nope!

She’s up all night to pet dogs
I’m up all night to pet dogs
We’re up all night to pet dogs
We’re up all night to pet puppies

longneck

We’re up all night to pet puppies
We’re up all night to pet puppies
We’re up all night to pet puppies
We’re up all night to pet puppies

MDMarra

Oh, big news. $wife has set $ok_to_get_second_monitor to $TRUE this morning!

cole

@MDMarra yay!

MDMarra

I don't need to find a new wife now!

cole

@MDMarra it's such a process

tombull89

14:26

@TomO'Connor if you mis-hear it it sounds like "like the legend of the penis"

MDMarra

tell me about it. And expensive

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 YES!

it does!

MDMarra

We got married in front of like 30 people and the reception was a sunday brunch and it was still almost 10k

cole

My girlfriend floored me the other day - we were talking about taking a trip to DC around our birthdays. The next words out of her mouth shocked me "Well, let's start saving - but I'm going to focus on my debt first."

MDMarra

woah

She's leaaaaaarning. Be careful, that's a slippery slope

longneck

14:27

@MDMarra my wife married in to a dual monitor family. she never saw the appeal, until she started doing transcription and translation work, and now she wants a third.

Dan

@MDMarra Yep, weddings be steep

MDMarra

I will say, steak and eggs as a wedding meal was great

cole

@MDMarra I know - honestly, things have been significantly better these past few weeks.

Just going with the flow.

Dan

@MDMarra By the way, I don't really like your syntax. I think it should be wrapped in a method so that CanHasSecondMonitor("MDMarra") returns true

Scott Pack

@Dan Weddings can get stupid expensive, yeah. I think we managed to have a wedding of about 100, reception with about 200, and 10 days in Scotland for about 10k.

@MDMarra The only thing more expensive than weddings and children are divorces.

Dan

14:29

@ScottPack I'm not sure if I want to put how much we spent on ours - but it was "lots", and even more "lots" including NYC. But, we did it with only a few grand of debt so I'm not too fussed

ewwhite

Um, We went to the courthouse....

:(

Scott Pack

@Dan Same here. We ended up being able to come out in a very good position, which is nice because I was starting grad school a couple of months afterwards. Our parents and some friends got clever with our wedding presents. My parents bought us the airline tickets, her parents bought the dress, etc.

Tom O'Connor

#Thor's up all night for the Norse Thor's up all night with his horse Thor's up all night yeah of course Thor's up all night to get Loki

Tweeted by hemlock_martini on November 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM

MDMarra

If ($canhavesecondmonitor -eq $true) {
$rejoice = $true
}
else {$getnewwife = $true}

Tom O'Connor

Stupid formatting.

cole

14:31

Gf was watching "Say Yes To The Dress" the other day. She looked at me and said "$3,000 FOR A DRESS!? That's like half of what I'd want to spend on my entire wedding!"

Scott Pack

@ewwhite A local judge did ours, but we wanted to have an event of it.

Dan

@ewwhite Bail hearing?

ewwhite

@Dan that's racist.

MDMarra

hhahahahaha aka, you're not having a real wedding ever anywhere

Dan

@cole She says that now

Tom O'Connor

14:32

@cole I'm quite happy to do it for under a grand.

Dan

@ewwhite Damn

MDMarra

@cole wife got her dress at one of those "bridal shows" it was the display dress. No one had ever even tried it on, it just was on a mannequin for a bit

cole

@Dan my girlfriend is pretty simple. She's a t-shirt and jeans kinda girl anyways. She's already been engaged, and started to plan a wedding.

Dan

@MDMarra I still like mine better - it has more action, yours is just variable setting :D

@cole She says that now

cole

@MDMarra yeah - gf is totally cool with that kind of stuff. She grew up really poor. Like, lived in a homeless shelter for 3 years of her life.

Scott Pack

14:33

@cole Don't believe @MDMarra, our wedding was right about 5.

ewwhite

Points!!

0

Q: Create Hyper-V Virtual Machine Via Web Request

How can I create a Hyper-V virtual machine from a web request. What I mean is, I would like to give my users the ability to create a Hyper-v Virtual Machine from their browser after they are logged into their online account manager. I'd like to give them the option to choose between a few types o...

webserver hyper-v windows-server-2012 request

cole

I mean, not looking to get married any time soon - but I'm getting older.

I may wife her if she gets me a burrito tonight though, before she comes over.

Dan

I loved my wedding, but the prep is a ballache

Scott Pack

@cole Phaw. My folks were in the mid-30s before they even met.

cole

@ScottPack my parents were 27 (my age)

MDMarra

14:34

@ScottPack Our actual meal + venue was around there

but all the other shit...

cole

but had both been married before.

My sister got married at 21 D:

MDMarra

$2k for a photographer, $500 for a DJ, $150 for an officiate, etc

cole

My photographer will mostly be my sister for formals and what not - helloooo free!

Dan

I thuink our photographer was the best part of £3k all in all

cole

May hire someone for the ceremony - but she knows other photographers she trusts that would do a good job at a good price.

WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THIS? IS THIS HOW IT STARTS?

MDMarra

14:36

Hell, since the reception was at an inn that people regularly park at to go running (its in a park in the middle of the city) we had to pay $75 for a parking attendant to turn people away so our guests could park

Scott Pack

@MDMarra That's craziness. Our venue was only a couple hundred, the officiate was free, the biggest expense was probably the 4 kilts. Those things are expensive.

MDMarra

@ScottPack we got married at an inn. The venue + food + bar + decorations were included in that price

tombull89

@cole heh, it's downhill from here

ewwhite

cole

HNNGGG

Dan

14:37

@cole Kinda - ours started by finding out a nice venue did weddings and then we went to see it for a giggle. Long story short, we booked the wedding a week later

cole

@ewwhite lol at your supermicro comment

Scott Pack

@MDMarra We did ours at a country club, or at least what was at one time a country club. They closed down the course but maintained the clubhouse for event rentals.

cole

@Dan I'd want to live with her first - and I told her that a discussion to have in another 6-12 months.

Dan

@cole Yeah, I could never marry without cohabiting first - that's lethal

MDMarra

@ScottPack scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/… scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/…

cole

14:38

@Dan yeah - and I'm such an asshole to live with.

MDMarra

the ceremony took place 10 steps from the reception venue

cole

I really like your suit @MDMarra

MDMarra

the inn is right on the wissahickon creek

Thanks bro, vera wang

tombull89

@FrostbiteEngine Is it true that the Frostbite office is heated solely by GPUs?

Tweeted by richardmatthias on January 30, 2014 at 1:48 PM

.@richardmatthias Confirmed! The AC was off yesterday so we had to get portable AC units. During winter. In Sweden.

Tweeted by FrostbiteEngine on January 30, 2014 at 1:50 PM in reply to richardmatthias

snerk

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Yeah, I remember. It was real nice.

cole

14:40

man - I have so many books I want to read but not enough time.

MDMarra

Open bar, though!

WORTH IT

cole

TURNTUP

MDMarra

@cole Soupy actually took that panorama that I linked too

cole

@MDMarra haha that's awesome

MDMarra

his gf is in the bottom right stuffing breakfast sausage into her face

Scott Pack

14:41

@MDMarra My parents kept adding people that I didn't know to the list so we opted to have separate invitations for wedding and reception. Originally the ceremony was going to be under a pavilion in the woods overlooking the lake.

MDMarra

@ScottPack OH dude, I killed that super quick. My parents were fine with it, but hers kept trying to sneak uncles and shit in

I was like "look, I dont want to be disrespectful but we're paying for this, not you. And we're not sending these people invites, so don't tell them they're getting one"

ewwhite

I only had my wedding reception at a Michelin Starred restaurant... for 20 people.

MDMarra

mmmmmmmmmm

which one

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Then we received our mid May monsoon rains so we moved it to the reception site. I don't have any of these pictures posted, but the wedding guests were all sitting at the reception tables. Turned out kind of nice.

cole

@MDMarra that's my biggest fear. My parents would be totally cool but trying to help pay - but gf's mom is a nutcase.

Her mom is so legit crazy - she called me "Colon" the other day, to my gf.

ewwhite

14:43

@MDMarra something fancy or another.

cole

COLON and she really thought that was my name!

Scott Pack

@MDMarra That's pretty much where we are. They they got all offended, "We've been going to all of these people's weddings and buying their kids wedding gifts. We want to share this with them." "Fine. Separate party. Done."

MDMarra

just gotta make it fair. Her parents were like "we'll pay for the extra guests we want" I said "ok so you'll have twice as much family as me. Are you going to pay for my mom's brothers? All 5 of them and their wives? Or are you expecting her to pay for them? Or do you just want 3/4 of the guests there from your side?"

After that, they dropped it

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Just my dad's side of the family is damn near 45 people Not to mention my mom's side and Katie's.

ewwhite

quick question... do you guys have environments where users are affected during the backup run?

MDMarra

14:44

Our original guestlist was 150 I think. After about 2 hours with it, I had it down to 40. We ended up with 35 including DJ and photog

@ewwhite I used to

cole

@ewwhite yes

Our backups run almost 24/7

because - tape.

LTOFAIL

Scott Pack

@MDMarra That would have been awesome, but I couldn't' had done that without telling close family they couldn't come. I wouldn't have liked doing that.

MDMarra

@ewwhite they used to do quarterly fulls of the oracle ERP system at $university. They'd stop oracle, dump the databases, tar them, write them to tape, bring oracle up

ewwhite

So I got this complaint from a client...

MDMarra

because fuck backup software that can do a hot backup, right?

ewwhite

14:46

I brought their backups from 4 hours to 1 hour...

and now they're complaining....

Scott Pack

@MDMarra On the plus side, we didn't need a DJ because a couple of my friends together provided sound equipment and music services. So we were able to hire a bagpiper.

ewwhite

They would be in the middle of entering a sales order and the system would just hang for 10-20 seconds

MDMarra

@ScottPack In our case, it was "empty all savings into this thing, or cut a bunch of people and have a house in 2 years and have no student debt"

ewwhite

so we moved the backup time... and it now affects a different set of users.

it is just a "suck it up" situation?

Chris S

unloading a MFP, somehow cut myself. Only noticed when I left a blood stain on the pallet. I cut my other hand last weekend on a Mandolin slicer. This stuff seems to happen in spurts.

MDMarra

14:48

I bleed everywhere all the time and never notice it

3

ewwhite

@ChrisS oh, I thought you said the blood was spurting out...

MDMarra

How I haven't wrecked any nice dress clothes, I'll never know

Dan

I tore a nearly new pair of trousers moving a UPS

2

cole

go go dcpromo.

Dan

And I broke a mobile phone monitor balancing a CRT while grabbing a key card

cole

14:51

I almost just indexed the objectClass attribute to stop the issues we're having here w/ Sametime/Traveler - but then I know if I do - we'll never upgrade stay at NT4/2003 DFL

also - not sure what that'll do to the servers if I index it - would it be an additional load if I decided to index it?

@Dan ripped the crotch of my pants at work on Tuesday. Coworker said to me "Well, it's better to split your pants than to shit your pants!"

TheCleaner

Nice job XKCD. You've summed up my morning so far exquisitely

qroberts

Mornin'

Danila Ladner

Morning folks.

Dan

@TheCleaner Yep, been there

Danila Ladner

shit i need to take christmas hat off

MikeyB

14:58

@ChrisS If it happens in spurts, you hit an artery. Oh, and ouch. My wife did that with a mandolin as well. The nail stopped it: t.co/TFrgRYm224

Tom O'Connor

@MDMarra I used to work in a drycleaners. Someone brought in a white tuxedo that was stiff with dried blood.

qroberts

Just ran out of room on the only 16-port switch in one of our offices. Should I buy another 16-port and use both at once or buy a 24-port switch to replace the current one? I cannot imagine needing more than 24 ports.

Tom O'Connor

@qroberts Buy a 48.

Because one day, you'll come back with the same question.

Michael Hampton

@qroberts You couldn't imagine needing more than 16 ports, at some time in the past.

qroberts

I was going to but the model line we buy doesn't have 48

Tom O'Connor

14:59

@qroberts Ick. what switch is this?

qroberts

I didn't originally buy the switch :P

products.ncix.com/detail/…

Tom O'Connor

vom

Danila Ladner

or 10G stacked juniper with 192

Tom O'Connor

^^

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