The Comms Room

ewwhite

00:00

servers in the US come with 208V/220V cables now, so yeah...

but I get everything up via DHCP on the ILOs.

easy...

then I ask for static IP addresses...

Scott Pack

8.8.8.1

ewwhite

"Oh, the Sonicwall handles those... let me make some reservations for you"

Magellan

I once had a boss who insisted that all spare cables be in a particular store room 2 city blocks from the server room. Made it a PITA to diagnose anything.

Scott Pack

So...not static

ewwhite

I asked for a range... I got three servers, ILO and a few other interfaces for vSphere.

"sorry, we can't give you a range..."

"DHCP is configured for the entire /24, except for the door security system"

Okay... sure. So then, I start building things... Install ESXi on one box. Another drops off... I think someone got the MAC address wrong for the reservation.

there are three stackable switches... but nobody knows the creds to one of them

"Oh, there shouldn't be any VLANs configured on it..."

freiheit

00:03

@ewwhite Time to switch that data center to C13/C14, like god intended. ;)

Ry Jones

holy crap @ewwhite that's nuts

Ethan

I sent emails to a broadly named address and each time I did so I received a response usually from a different person. How would this typically work, do the people who respond to my messages share all the email sent to them? Is it just forwarded from that address to different people?

ewwhite

but you KNOW there were... so I was only able to build two servers.

Ethan

Like say it was an address like "[email protected]" for questions

how would that typically work

ewwhite

the last wasn't reachable via static or dynamic IP...

I wasted all morn screwing with it.

and felt so... impotent.

Ethan

00:05

How would the email move from that address to the other people who communicate with me individually.

In a general scenario

Like how would someone typically do that

I imagine that it could be different things, but what would those be?

ewwhite

And I think I assume certain things are in place these days... DNS, DHCP and power ports.

freiheit

@Ethan Are you sure you're in the right room?

Ethan

no

well I clicked this chat room

the people here were knowledgeable last time I was here

Magellan

@freiheit I found it easier to just ignore him. He pops up every couple days pestering us for knowledge some bit of basic electronic technology.

Ry Jones

@Magellan I'm with you. I put him on ignore and life is better

Ethan

00:09

I'm sorry, where should I ask these questions

freiheit

@Ethan Yeah, you're definitely in the wrong room. Maybe you should try root access

Ethan

ok

thanks

Scott Pack

Way to go. Leave it to the ginger to run someone off.

ewwhite

so I failed at the day's tasks...

Scott Pack

@ewwhite "day's"?

ewwhite

00:11

week's.

month's.

Ry Jones

so, exciting times, got to revoke four people's ability to merge code. three of them had never used it - the fourth, well he beat that button like a bongo

at least it forced an audit

ewwhite

Nexenta let me down again today...

freiheit

@ScottPack I come from a long line of angry drunk misanthropes. Sometimes in kilts.

Scott Pack

@freiheit Kilted drunken misanthropes are the best.

Magellan

@RyJones was it 3 people who were in fact paid to produce code but did not/could not?

ewwhite

00:13

my data recovery guy is helping reconstruct a lady-friend's laptop hard drive... after she dropped it......... while watching Netflix................... with the computer perched on her nightstand................ SMH

Ry Jones

@Magellan they're all allowed to produce and submit code, they aren't allowed to merge it.

Scott Pack

@freiheit Fun Fact! The last time my brother and I were in kilts together we emptied a flask of bourbon.

Ry Jones

and, in fact, all four of them did plenty of production and submission, it's just the one mis-used his merge capability

ewwhite

the guy next to me on the plane is reading my screen...

Ry Jones

@ewwhite touch him

ewwhite

00:15

What's up, dude?!? Yes... you!!

freiheit

@ScottPack traditional wool tartan kilts, or modern pocketed kilt variations?

Scott Pack

@ewwhite TELL HIM HE'S A NOSY FUCKING BASTARD AND SHOULD GO BACK TO SKYMALL

Ry Jones

@ScottPack SKYMALL IS BEST MALL FOR PEOPLE WITH MANAGEMENT HAIR

freiheit

@ewwhite amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/…

ewwhite

He has some nutty gold jewelry on.... like overseas foreign gaudy shit...

Scott Pack

00:15

@ewwhite You should totally check on brazzers and make sure they're up and functional

ewwhite

Gogo Inflight wifi has a content filter.

Ry Jones

and make sure @ewwhite is up and functional, all over the seat in front of him

Scott Pack

@ewwhite That's what VPNs are for

ewwhite

so I used to VPN to my colo/work in order to do the pr0n work on the plane

Scott Pack

@freiheit They were proper wool, but not 9 yards of fabric that requires pleating.

@freiheit I'm not sure I know what the "pocketed" bit means.

freiheit

00:18

ewwhite

hey!! I'm on a plane!

Scott Pack

Oh, so you literally mean with pockets.

ewwhite

can't be showing that!

Ry Jones

I used to walk past the utili-kilt office 2x or 4x when I went to lunch. So glad I never bought in to the fad

Scott Pack

I like the idea of utilikilt, they just look so....ugh.

They're like the Carharts of kilts.

freiheit

00:21

@ScottPack I think that is the idea, yes. They've got some competitors with lower prices and still good quality stuff.

Magellan

@RyJones I almost bought one several times since I got divorced. They're might nice on really warm days. Not sure it's worth $200 though.

@RyJones We have distributed merge authority here. But that's because everybody knows that if they merge their own code, they're gonna be a pariah until they fix whatever they might have broke and properly submit it.

Scott Pack

@freiheit I just don't want to put on a kilt and look like I should be working a forklift.

Magellan

@ScottPack Dude. total Seattle authenticity cred right there.

Ry Jones

@Magellan we have three people that are allowed to merge in each project, and these four people weren't in that population

freiheit

@ScottPack Go for a desert war kilt instead, then?

Magellan

00:27

@RyJones d'oh!

Ry Jones

regardless, it's fixed now, it was just a tedious day unfucking things

Scott Pack

@Magellan Driving a forklift in a kilt? If you wore a Utilikilt that would be perfect. It would look terrible were I to do that anywhere in public.

Ry Jones

@Magellan I was more concerned of fitting the fat bastard in a kilt stereotype than anything

Magellan

@RyJones This is 'Merica. We're all fat.

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Scott Pack

Speak for yourselves tubbos

Journeyman Geek

00:30

Dhoti

The dhoti, also known as pancha, mardani or veshti, is a traditional men's garment worn in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is a rectangular piece of unstitched cloth, usually around long, wrapped around the waist and the legs and knotted at the waist, resembling a long skirt. In India, the garment is predominant in the states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Maharastra, Karnataka, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Assam, West Bengal, Odisha and Konkan and Goa. In the northern parts of Gujarat and southern parts of Rajasthan the Pancha is worn with a short kurta called kediya on top. In ...

I've had to wear one of these on formal occations.

We don't generally go commando. Its probably a lot airier than a kilt, but no room for pockets :/

Ry Jones

hey, India just woke up and picked up the ticket the US didn't get to for four hours

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek It will be much airer. Kilts are freaking heavy, thick wool.

Journeyman Geek

is there a command to reboot a dedicated server? — user294833 56 secs ago

fools and their servers!

@ScottPack: I suppose though, its a lot colder in scotland ;p

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek A bit.

kce

@Tanner - Looking for a new minion?

Journeyman Geek

00:38

I suppose. Can't be all that cold if they arn't wearing anything beneath.

Scott Pack

@kce I know of a few things. You looking for telecommute or relocate?

kce

@ScottPack - It'd entertain both options. I'm just kind of fishing at this point. Trying to get a feel what things are like back in the contiguous US.

Ry Jones

@kce a lot colder than Alaska, sir

ewwhite

What's your main skill @kce ?

Scott Pack

@RyJones Warming up quite a bit starting today.

Ry Jones

00:44

@ScottPack well, I wouldn't know, it's been reasonable here in Seattle - less the 12th man boosterism and rain

ewwhite

lots o' potential

I got a request for a Linux person this morn... entry...

 	 Hello Edmund,

I am reaching out to you because a Top Global Hedge Fund is looking for entry level/junior candidates for a Linux position which will transform their career and transition them from junior linux admins to full on Linux Engineers.


Comp is 55-75 k base.

The perks of this role include:
* Working for a financial firm that feels like a tech start-up
* Career growth in a HOT tech driven Hedge Fund
* Bonus eligibility
* Career internal mobility

The non-negotiable requirements are:

Ry Jones

iOS/OS X guys: is there a reasonable PGP-ish email solution that shares integration and configuration across platforms?

Scott Pack

@RyJones Yeah. It's been pretty miserably chilly up in here. Tuesday it got up to 2F, but had pretty consistent 20-30mph winds all day.

Ry Jones

@ScottPack my family lives in your AO and I've been hearing of the misery from them all along. That's one of the reason I left the middle West

kce

@RyJones - It's downright balmy up here right now.

Mark Henderson

00:47

@ewwhite Not bad for a jnr level position

Scott Pack

@RyJones AO?

Ry Jones

sorry. Area of operation en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_of_operations

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson always finance

Scott Pack

Oh yes, I remember you saying that now.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite So it actually costs you your soul

Scott Pack

00:48

It's been interesting adjusting to living someplace that's actually flat.

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson I sold it long ago

kce

@ewwhite - Uhhh. Generalist. A little bit of Windows, a little bit of Linux, small-scale networking (two or three dozen subnets or sites), bit of NetApp, and so on.

ewwhite

@kce how are your SAT scores? :)

(see ad above)

kce

@ewwhite - We don't have SATs in AK. Must qualify for dog mushing and seal clubbing prior to graduation.

Scott Pack

@kce How hot does Sharepoint make you? I hear it's a specialty of yours.

ewwhite

00:51

@kce D'oh

System Administrator / DevOps Engineer

Simulation Curriculum Corp.

devopsphpamazon-web-servicesmysql

This is a part time (20-30hrs/week), possibly leading up to a full time, position at a dynamic, education-focused…

Posted on Careers 2.0 on January 29, 2014

Magellan

@kce For that matter, my company in Seattle is hiring a Linux System Engineer also.

Ry Jones

@Magellan I hear 55 of them!

Magellan

@RyJones 53. I mis-counted.

Ry Jones

fuck I'm never splitting a tab with you again! I'll end up paying for two extra beers!

Magellan

@RyJones Long as I don't mis-count the inventory of children next time we go someplace and leave one behind.

Ry Jones

00:56

@Magellan that is way hard to do. Other people's children are annoying, your children are coated in brain-melting goo that makes you love them

Magellan

@RyJones I dunno. I don't have that gene. They mostly just annoy me until they're able to hold intelligent conversations.

Ry Jones

I explained that to a dad-to-be that doubted me severely. after a few months of it he said it's the only logical explanation for why they were still alive

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I agree

@Magellan I also agree with you

I enjoyed my son much more once he hit 2 and was able to actually do intelligent things

Also, now that he's nearly 4 I can actually begin to reason with him, which is even better

Ry Jones

I've had the conversation with my adult kids about the divorce. I say look, I really would regret marrying your mom, but I ended up with you three, so it's worth it

I think they think I'm bullshitting

Magellan

@RyJones Nice thing about my kids is that they take me pretty seriously unless I'm smiling. And then they know I'm messing with them. Daddy's their rock though. Mom's gone fucking bugnuts.

Scott Pack

01:00

@RyJones They're probably right.

Ry Jones

@ScottPack at this point, having driven everything else into the ground, they're all that remain

Scott Pack

@RyJones You've still got your dashing good l...maybe you're right. :(

kce

@ScottPack - Sorry. Sharepoint's not my thing.

@Magellan - Do tell? Have a link?

Scott Pack

@kce Loser.

Magellan

@kce About the Job or My Ex?

kce

01:07

@ScottPack :'(

@Magellan - Let's start with the job...

Magellan

@kce email me at [email protected]. I'd rather not link to work in here.

Scott Pack

@Magellan What's the worst that could happen?

Magellan

@ScottPack They could see the fscked up shit you guys post?

Scott Pack

@Magellan Pashaw.

@ewwhite Have you considered this to up your photography game?

theverge.com/2014/1/29/5356826/…

Magellan

@kce on its way. Thanks!

Magellan

01:41

@user3253445 Please see the room description at the top right. If you have technical questions, please ask them on the main ServerFault.com site.

ewwhite

What's the term for users who say, "well it used to work this way"?

jscott

@ewwhite Selective memory?

ewwhite

Before the upgrade/new software/updates/etc.

Magellan

@ewwhite Old age.

ewwhite

I have a client whose system I just upgraded and hotrodded...

TomOnTime

01:43

In their mental model, it probably did used to work that way.

jscott

I was once told we used to use Outlook before Google Apps. Before Google Apps, we had Domino/Notes for like a decade.

ewwhite

SSDs, special 3.5GHz E5-2643 CPUs... ZFS, compression, etc...

they're a 24x7 operation

jscott

@TomOnTime Peoples' perception is their reality.

ewwhite

and a consequence of my changes is that that the backup now runs a LOT faster than it used to...

1 hour versus 4 hours... but that means that at some point, users experience legginess for the duration of the biggest file being backed up

25.8GB.... it gets backed up in 6 minutes...

so now the client is like, "we haven’t had a problem with the backup affecting our operation since the very early days (14 years ago)"

I think this happens at 4:30am...

so what's the fix?

jscott

@ewwhite Run it at lunch.

ewwhite

01:47

I want to be like... "I made your system perform faster/better on ALL fronts". If a couple of warehouse guys are inconvenienced, I need exact times or a better backup window

Client can't understand why the tape backup impacts things more now than it did before.

maybe because it's being fed faster?

I dunno...

Scott Pack

When do the warehouse guys take their break? They're probably union so a 1 hour backup window would be perfect.

ewwhite

The backup was moved from 12:07am to 4am...

so now a different set of people are impacted... but probably only for 5-7 minutes.

which seems like an easy workaround... accept it and move on

jscott

Schedule it during a shift change?

ewwhite

I mean, the full backup takes an hour...

LTO-3 running at 5 Gigabytes/minute

I just told them to find me a better backup window

it's not my problem.

let's see what New Relic says...

Scott Pack

I like @jscott's idea. Move it to a shift change and let them know that any other time will impact somebody, even if minimally.

Or just have them shut down the factory floor every day for about 15 minutes while it runs.

Then nobody gets impacted.

ewwhite

02:02

It's all pretty consistent. I think it's just an application problem. Big file... locking issues...

I could modify the locking that the backup software attempts..

or implement a copy-on-write snapshot to feed the backup...

but the emails I was getting from customer were all frantic... "We need a NEW backup solution! HALP!! What will we do?!?!"

Maybe it's time for another break from ServerFault... every few months, I get mean, and I'm taking it out on my clients.

Michael Hampton

02:21

I think I now officially hate dracut.

jscott

@MichaelHampton I would have thought you had an RFC for explaining the reason for A vs AAAA. Best I can guess, IPv4, 32 bits, an 'A' record... So you get one 'A' for each 32 bit of address. IPv6, 128 bits, so 'AAAA'. :)

And now I am foot in mouth as you added a comment after closing.

Michael Hampton

@jscott The community doesn't seem to like to keep these sorts of questions open.

Mark Henderson

It would appear you are not fully conversant with the concept of backups. — John Gardeniers Apr 4 '12 at 22:21

I miss Johns comments sometimes

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I definitely recommend the occasional break from SF.

jscott

I have no issue with how you handled it. I had expected some arcane trivia explaining the subtle, but important, reason for the choice. That's all.

Michael Hampton

02:27

@jscott If I could have found any, I would have just written an answer, collected 400 reputation and then let the community close the question. :)

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A: Who picked 127.0.0.1 to be localhost and why? What meaning does it have?

Jon Postel picked 127. Before the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority took over (RFC 3232) around the time of his death (RFC 2468), he was the "czar" of Internet address and port assignments, having essentially nominated himself for the task. (RFC 349) Back in the early 1980s, when IPv4 as we k...

For example.

Oh wait, @Iain did that.

Magellan

I miss John Gardeniers

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Jon Postel should have been more forward thinking

Wasting a whole /8

jscott

@MarkHenderson They didn't have toasters running NetBSD back then did they?

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson It was the 70's! And they all thought this was the "beta" network they would throw away and build the "real" network later.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha I know; it was tongue-in-cheek

In the 70's my Dad had a beard and I wasn't even an unformed sperm in his nutsack

@jscott Or lightbulbs with IP addresses

Michael Hampton

02:33

No, they had monstrosities like the PDP-11 and the TOPS-20. You missed all the fun.

Mark Henderson

Apart from the horrible colour schemes I think I would have liked the 70's

Magellan

I was born in the last month of the Nixon administration.

Mark Henderson

Good cars, no global warming, unlimited oil supply

Magellan

@MarkHenderson No, that was the 60s.

Mark Henderson

@Magellan Not that many good cars came out of the 60's

Magellan

02:36

By the mid-70s the cars sucked and the oil embargo was causing chaos.

or at least by the late-70s the cars sucked.

Mark Henderson

STD's weren't nearly as deadly either

No AIDS

But... bush

Hmmmmm

Magellan

Lady talked about that, actually. Just what an impact AIDS had on her generation. Nobody knew what it was, but it was bad shit and didn't know exactly how easily it spread.

@MarkHenderson Actually, she says by 1973 that things were getting nasty with the gas prices jumping. Her dad's custom RV business folded due to the gas price spikes.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I think this has just been a bad week... for me, my family, friends, clients...

even the smelly guy next to me on the plane

Mark Henderson

@Magellan Fine, maybe I won't live in the 70s then

I'll go for the 60s

Magellan

02:53

60s were better. Especially if you were a baby boomer.

ewwhite

03:08

You guys do a lot of my evaluation work for me... anyone wanna give this ad copy a read? - dnuk.com/zetavault/intro

Ry Jones

03:34

@MarkHenderson I am, no shit, working on that right now

Also, to the person in here looking for scrum software to avoid, we used Kunagi at amazon and it sucks

@ewwhite what sets this apart from enterprise solutions?

you say it has enterprise class features, which means (to me) it isn't enterprise class

ewwhite

heh...

It's not me saying it... I'm trying to see if it's worth trying...

Ry Jones

oh sorry, I thought it was copy you were proposing for your ads :)

ewwhite

I've used NexentaStor as a ZFS platform for years, but it's just a wreck now.

Ry Jones

I don't like that the support number appears to be outside the US.

I do like the shape of the domain, though. the order of dnuk reminds me of a bridge

looks like it's goo you put on commodity hardware, which is nice: storagenewsletter.com/rubriques/software/…

but I wonder what secret sauce they have? what's the integration that's worth paying a premium on?

they have a pinterest page: pinterest.com/zetavault

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Looks like a UK number

That's not so bad

Ry Jones

03:45

@MarkHenderson yes, I was being snarky, they're in Manchester

DNUK was formed in 1996 in Greater Manchester, United Kingdom.

I can't find anyone on the web talking about the product, good or bad. everything on the webpage reads like PHB fodder

Mark Henderson

03:58

@RyJones The web interface is so familiar

I can't put my finger on it though

ewwhite

It's just ZFS Ubuntu and DRBD.

They dig at nexenta in their product description.

I'll test it. But as you all know, I like goo on commodity hardware.

Ry Jones

@ewwhite is the management app all you're buying?

ewwhite

Basically.

I need something that give clients warm fuzzies

Ry Jones

I suggest woolen mittens and ribbons on kittens. what the fuck do I know about Julie Andrews?

►

Mark Henderson

Well this is bad. I just logged onto my portfolio management page and it's showing me some completely random persons page

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Ry Jones

04:03

@MarkHenderson better take them out of all those risky positions

put them into Mexican Pesos

Mark Henderson

@RyJones They're doing OK. 7.5% return, but they only have $3,000

I got 8.5% and have.. substantially more

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson well, just don't install kunagi

Mark Henderson

04:18

I tried calling my fund manager to tell them about their problem, and got the message "All our service personnel are in a meeting and are unable to take your call. Please call again later"

Wankers

Ryan Ries

04:48

Just helped beta test Process Explorer v16.1 :)

Jacob

@RyanRies Nice

Mark Henderson

@RyanRies I want a new procmon

Jacob

I'm almost done with my talk submissions for LOPSA-EAST... which are due in 10 minutes.

Ryan Ries

@MarkHenderson A new procmon that does what?

Mark Henderson

@RyanRies Better DLL inspection

It doesn't give me enough info about what calls are being done inside DLLs

Makes reverse engineering functionality very difficult

Ryan Ries

04:55

@MarkHenderson Interesting... though I think ProcMon will always be for relatively basic inspection of Win32 API calls, and if you really need to go deeper than that, then you drop to something like Hex Rays

Though I dunno, there's no telling what Russinovich will come up with next... he said he doesn't actually get to own any code any more at work because he's too high up the totem pole, but he still codes in his spare time because it "keeps him sane."

Mark Henderson

Procmon is great for debugging shit like this though

3

A: HP P4000 LeftHand SRA for SRM will not install on vSphere 5.1

Yes. The problem is that the SRA installer is looking in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\VMware, Inc.\VMware vCenter Site Recovery Manager for its registry keys, but that's not where they are in 5.1 - they are just in HKLM\SOFTWARE\VMware, Inc.\VMware vCenter Site Recovery Manager: This is an easy f...

Ry Jones

@RyanRies you on campus? IE near redmond? we could beer each other if so

Ryan Ries

@RyJones Nah, I don't work for Microsoft, though I've interviewed with them before and toyed with the idea... still chillin' with Verizon for the time being though.

Ry Jones

I didn't ask if you worked there, I asked if you were on campus, perhaps for some event or another

Ryan Ries

Nope. I'll be at TechEd in Houston in a couple months, but I've never been to Redmond.

@MarkHenderson Upvoted that with a quickness. Tres bon.

Hennes

06:02

Morning.

Journeyman Geek

06:22

hm

Lots of jobs are asking for expected and current salaries.

I get paid 300 a month off the books. I have no idea what the going rate is

Hennes

What a weird question:

0

Q: CPU benchmarking tool for linux with certain options

I am looking for a CPU benchmarking tool. The benchmarking tool should have following properties: Total execution time (The total amount of time the tool executes) can be specified. CPU load percentage can be specified(It is the max amount of CPU which will be used by tool during the benchmark...

I almost read that as "I want to benchmark something, but it will be used on a server which is already in production, so the benchmark should not use too much CPU cycles".

Skyhawk

07:01

@DennisKaarsemaker You want a fresh graduate with a good brain?

@DennisKaarsemaker I can get you one of those. Experienced professionals are harder to come by.

@Tanner Wenatchee is beautiful. Surely someone would be interested. You want an entry-level kind of individual?

@JourneymanGeek Nothing is more insulting than a job posting that asks for a detailed response, doesn't indicate a salary range, and asks for the applicant's salary expectations.

@JourneymanGeek Only "professionals" could come up with BS like that.

Journeyman Geek

@Skyhawk: left it out.

;p

Skyhawk

@JourneymanGeek Good for you.

Journeyman Geek

I'm just chumming the waters first anyway

as things are I'm reasonable. I need a job - any job, as long as its tech, and pays roughtly janitor wage or better.

There's another one for a in house tech that needs a class 3 licence.

despite saying there's no travelling on the job

Skyhawk

Isn't that illegal discrimination?

Journeyman Geek

oh the other hand, I can walk there faster than someone can drive there in rush hour

its probably copy-pasta

Skyhawk

07:13

In the USA employers can require "reliable transportation" (i.e. ability to show up on time) but I'm pretty sure we can't legally require a personal vehicle unless it's actually required to perform the job... because what if an otherwise qualified individual who couldn't drive due to a disability was excluded from the job?

Journeyman Geek

yeah.

actually, the class 3 licence one and the one asking for expected wage is the same >_> sooooo

Skyhawk

Well, hopefully they'll just disregard your application and you'll end up working someplace awesome instead.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I wish. $search_engine_company hasn't replied yet

and I need to do another term in school, I failed one of my management major modules

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Skyhawk I prefer experienced, but "some experience and talented" is good too :)

Skyhawk

@DennisKaarsemaker What would this person be doing over in Lexus Land?

@DennisKaarsemaker "Some experience and talented" often comes at a discount.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:19

@Skyhawk lexus land?

Skyhawk

@DennisKaarsemaker You did say Bellevue, right?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

ah :)

linux sysadmin in all its aspects. From fixing problems, to writing puppet recipes, to building scalable systems.

Skyhawk

@DennisKaarsemaker Man, you could have hired @Magellan a while back.

Magellan

evenin' gents.

Skyhawk

Speak of the captain himself...

nchpmn

07:22

@Skyhawk I know in Australia you can be required to hold a certain type of licence (Heavy Rigid/Light Rigid, both being trucks), and you can also be required to have "own transportation". Whilst the truck licence restriction is certainly allowable, whether the second is legally binding/fair...

Magellan

@Skyhawk I probably wouldn't have been a good fit with the two guys that were there anyway.

They were pretty far up the Aspergers/Autism scale. =)

Skyhawk

Ah, got it.

Magellan

The job I did end up taking, I was one of the older people there. Lots of young Devs so the parties were frequent and went quite late.

And, sadly, now I'm winnowing through the list of those co-workers seeing who I want to refer to my HR recruiters to see if we can snag them.

Joel E Salas

Am I supposed to take better job offers as they come

or is there honor in this industry

Iain

@JoelESalas Yes,no

Joel E Salas

07:34

@Iain A certain company is offering a respectable bump...

Iain

@JoelESalas onwards and upwards to Ed's level then

Skyhawk

Someday we'll all be at Ed's level, even if we have to climb turbines to get there.

Iain

Miles how are you ?

System Administrator / DevOps Engineer

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