The Comms Room

84104

18:01

@ChrisS Someone want to tell him about the gravitar problem?

MDMarra

@ewwhite Policy NAT on each side

ewwhite

@MDMarra Cisco world.

MDMarra

Then you have the fun job of making DNS work right

@ewwhite That is cisco

Chris S

Nope =]
Also, good luck reversing an e-mail from an MD5 without any other information. The "attacks" on Gravatar have enjoyed unrealistically high success rates largely due to gleaning other information from the site providing the MD5 and some assumptions on human behavior.

ewwhite

@MDMarra I'll just call the logicworks network engineers. We had a few thousand Cisco VPN tunnels running at once.

0044 Caution        22:36  12/19/2013 22:36  12/19/2013 0001
LOG: POST Error: 1716-Slot X Drive Array - Unregenerable Media Errors Detected on Drives during previous Rebuild or Auto-Reliability Monitoring (ARM) scan. Problem will be fixed automatically when the sector(s) are overwritten.

That's a new one @DennisKaarsemaker @Chopper3

Chopper3

18:11

@ewwhite yes, not seen that myself for a while

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite hmm, time to swap disk

ewwhite

The disk was swapped.

To be honest, I've had issues with a batch of servers of this vintage all purchased through CDW

G6 DL380's.

And the motherboards are failing

Why is it dead in here today? Did everyone give up and go to Spiceworks?

2

cole

Yes

Anonymous

the eternal weekend has begun

MikeyB

@ewwhite Never used it.

@PatoSáinz Maybe we should go back to the NNTP forums.

Anonymous

18:20

@MikeyB IRC is better

MikeyB

TINC.

Anonymous

@MikeyB same with most IRC nets bro #oldschooltoo

cole

I need a coffee - sigh

Getting old

mossy

A girl quit today and the last thing she did was dump glitter all over my work space.

4

I'm a little upset.

cole

GLITTER BOMBED!!

voretaq7

18:23

@cole Coffee is what separates us from the lower beasts. Without coffee I would revert to my lizardlike instincts and maul everyone

cole

You now have herpes of the art world @mossy

voretaq7

@mossy ...what did you do to this girl?

cole

@voretaq7 Indeed.

Scott Pack

@mossy That's just downright mean.

mossy

@voretaq7 Told her to stop downloading movies at work.

voretaq7

18:24

@JeffFerland yes, I can get behind this. Don't just leak pictures of Miley Cyrus looking slutty. She always looks slutty :P

Anonymous

@mossy you are an awful human being and you should feel bad

cole

Also, my tongue hurts.

mossy

@ScottPack I get the joke. Harhar. But, it's everywhere.

Scott Pack

@cole You should be more careful where you put it.

cole

@ScottPack I can't help it :(

Scott Pack

18:25

@mossy BECAUSE GLITTER IS AN UNHOLY ABOMINATION AND SHOULD BE PURGED FROM THE EARTH AT ALL COSTS.

I think I would honestly consider planetary detonation a reasonable step in glitter removal.

kce

Windows Friends - Am I close or just guessing?
http://serverfault.com/questions/566046/unable-to-ping-127-0-0-1-except-as-local-administrator/566202#566202

Chris S

Selling a ATI 7870 card, use eBay's stock template... Their stock title includes "HD7970" <-- A 7870 and a 7970 are very different chips. Didn't notice, buyer not happy, seller not happy. >=[

Anonymous

Red Hat and CentOS become Voltron, build free operating system together

Anonymous

> With today's announcement, CentOS is part of the Red Hat family. Fedora, another Red Hat-sponsored community project and operating system, will continue to provide the code future RHEL and CentOS releases are based upon.

Anonymous

phew i was worried about fedora

84104

18:36

@kce blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2009/11/03/…

Tanner

@mossy Sure, sure... I think we're getting closer to the truth about that Diamond Award.

mossy

¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Tanner

Seriously though, glitter. That's pretty heinous.

cole

Fucking Lotus Notes Traveler.

Anonymous

NTP-amplificated DDoS attacks

Anonymous

18:41

watch out for this now, if last year was DNS, now it's NTP

Joel E Salas

@PatoSáinz No one gets those attacks.

Anonymous

@JoelESalas unless you are valve/ea/whatever the comapny that makes lol is called

Joel E Salas

@PatoSáinz Statistically no one

Anonymous

@JoelESalas you are jinxing it

TheCleaner

18:56

@Tanner - so I think my a/v project is getting down to final PO

Looks like we are going with this guy for the production switching

Tanner

@TheCleaner Ohhh that's purrty. Looks like fun.

TheCleaner

Putting everything in a "portable" a/v rack with some Behringer audio gear, power/line conditioning, small little rack mount "preview/live" lcd monitors, etc.

Anonymous

"portable"

Anonymous

@TheCleaner that means wheels right?

MDMarra

TheCleaner

19:00

I feel like I actually somewhat know more than 1% of the lingo now. Lower thirds, DVE, upper/lower keys, etc. etc. etc.

Anonymous

but it still weights a ton

MDMarra

thats fun

Tanner

@TheCleaner do you have the Behringer gear already?

Anonymous

@MDMarra mass downvoting? also, stop getting rep, man

TheCleaner

@PatoSáinz yeah...it ain't gonna be light. But they want the ability to ship it.

MDMarra

19:01

all on questions too

TheCleaner

@Tanner no, it'll be a package deal from this VAR I found online. Power of the web...he was the one guy that was willing to work through the lingo with me, teach me crap, and put it all together in a single package and still be affordable.

Tanner

@TheCleaner nice

cole

@MDMarra who'd you piss off? lol

TheCleaner

The Behringer is the "Ultramatch Pro"

Tanner

I'm 50/50 on Behringer. Had some issues with some of their rack gear, but for the price it does the job.

MDMarra

19:03

@cole Thats the thing, I don't even know haha

Marcel maybe?

@Marcel The OP asked strictly about bandwidth calculations, not anything else. — MDMarra 1 hour ago

cole

@MDMarra I thought there were things in place to stop that from happening - pretty fucking lame.

Dammit Marcel.

MDMarra

It'll roll back at midnight UTC I think

TheCleaner

Well truth be told I thought your knowledge of how Active Directory works was a little thin @MDMarra ...so maybe the downvote was warranted. ;) (kidding)

MDMarra

true

Chris S

@Wesley i.imgur.com/PVBw8vp.jpg

TheCleaner

19:06

It doesn't show in their profile the -1 for a downvote they make? Or does it show it only on your own profile when you downvote?

cole

@TheCleaner I was just going to ask that lol

Anonymous

@wesley these cats have bikes and you don't

Anonymous

cole

Today is dragging.

Tanner

19:08

@TheCleaner Don't think it does.

TheCleaner

Anybody have recommendations for one of those "all the training you want for one low yearly price" online CBT sites? I'm looking for something that would cover Cisco/MS/Oracle/SQL/CISSP/etc.

Tanner

huh? only @ , . - _

MikeyB

@Tanner "We're storing your password in plain text."

Joel E Salas

@Tanner Geez, don't you know anything about security??

Chris S

@Tanner No quote marks, cause they don't sanitize their inputs or use prepared statements to prevent SQL Injection

Tanner

19:14

hnnnngggg these fuckers have my SSN...

Chris S

lol

MikeyB

Does anyone know what to frob to not get an ridiculously big (# of cols and rows) text console on a Linux KVM guest?

Scott Pack

@Tanner Who doesn't?

MDMarra

@RyanRies @MathiasR.Jessen ended up having the client clear the "prevent duplicates if a certificate exists in AD"

ewwhite

Oh vSphere...you are so much nicer to work with than SCVMM.

Tweeted by cakeis_not_alie on January 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM

MDMarra

19:19

They have users that shift around a lot and re-image computers with the same name as they had before, so they need dupes but didn't tell us that during the discovery phase :(

@ewwhite It's true. VMM has some warts but 2012 R2 is improved

ewwhite

@MDMarra Sorry about that.

So is everyone in the #VMware world just waiting for #VSAN to materialize? What do I tell clients TODAY? @josh_odgers @ChrisWahl @DuncanYB

Tweeted by ewwhite910 on January 9, 2014 at 7:07 PM

pauska

VSAN SDN BLAH BUZZWORD BLEH

I'm getting a bit tired of all those

Chris S

@cole @MDMarra You can downvote until you're out of your own rep to spend, but it'll get reversed at midnight UTC. It doesn't take more than a few downvotes on the same person to trigger

cole

@ChrisS pretty lame to do it to begin with.

voretaq7

@ewwhite "VMWare hates you."

Joel E Salas

19:31

Yeah @ewwhite has Stockholm Syndrome

2

Chris S

@cole Meh, don't pay attention to your rep and it's no biggy

MDMarra

I'm (rep) rich as fuck, I don't actually care.

It's just that for once, I didn't actually deserve it for being a dick

5

voretaq7

@ChrisS the serial downvote reversal algorithm shouldn't give the downvoter back the rep :P feature-request mean-mister-mod :)

ewwhite

@pauska VSAN has a place... but fuck, everyone is waiting for it. It's like buying the Apple iPhone xx on the cusp of a big media event. You don't want to be the one who makes a bad purchase timing decision.

@JoelESalas why do you say that?

@JoelESalas Oh wait... you haven't invested 6 years into VMware vSphere deployments. I have clients who are on the hook for $10k in annual maintenance alone and want to understand what and how things are changing.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Thaaaat's a lot of money

ewwhite

19:42

Not really ;) But for a produce company to have bought in 3 years ago, they want to make sure they know what's up.

Joel E Salas

Honestly VMware scares the shit out of me and I avoid like the plague

Red Hat scares me too tbh

ewwhite

5

Joel E Salas

loling at work

ewwhite

Someone used that to respond to me on a bike forum... saying I had too much money.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite I can't imagine there's any such thing as too much money

ewwhite

19:45

@JoelESalas You're in LA... I'm sure you see craziness.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite I love watching some douchebag in a Maserati tear down the street... then stop 10 seconds later in traffic.

ewwhite

VMware Virtual SAN reading

@JoelESalas #LAlife

voretaq7

@JoelESalas VMWare isn't bad

RedHat.... that's bad.

ewwhite

@voretaq7 They were hatching some evil plans when i talked to them

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite go on...

ewwhite

19:51

@JoelESalas JBOSS!

@JoelESalas And OpenStack and Swift

They want to unseat VMware in the government and BIG corporate environments (e.g. Walmart)

cole

TheCleaner

@JoelESalas I would SO be that douchebag. I'd even be willing to get a vanity plate that said "dbag" if I were that rich. I'd have full time staff to give a f for me about what the common folk thought of me. :)

cole

That's how I feel about that

TheCleaner

If I were crazy billionaire rich I would have Brewster's millions style contests or just randomly give a waitress $100k tip or buy a 30 story building and convert it into the world's largest laser tag arena. Heck, I'd create my own Youtube channel where I buy expensive cars...drive up to random homeless people and toss them the keys.

Joel E Salas

Terrifying

@TheCleaner You remind me of that terrible kids movie Blank Check

kce

20:23

@84104 - Hmm. Maybe I don't have it.

TheCleaner

heh, haven't seen it. I just think it'd be cool to be able to do things that only the ultra-rich can afford but most don't do. I don't care about a $3MM yacht. I'd rather take the $3MM and give it to some local non-profit charity that cares for kids and say "use this money to build new state of the art dorms for the kids here." or something cool like that. I'd like to start with $2B set aside on Jan 1 and spend it all on various philanthropic type stuff by Dec 31 and have fun doing it.

ewwhite

Income inequality. So fucked.

cole

Weird shit happening with Google for us.

ewwhite

When I was vacationing in Maui, I saw what Oprah did to the island. Shameful that her money allows her to do things like that.

cole

Dennis Kaarsemaker

20:30

I found my next house

funda.nl/koop/blokker/huis-48810205-koewijzend-22/fotos

if it's still for sale in 6 months time I might actually try to buy it

ewwhite

Seems large.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

that's what your mom said

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Don't sit up quickly in the night; you'll brain yourself on that sloping roof

ewwhite

Are you trying to take advantage of my low self-esteem?

Scott Pack

Dennis Kaarsemaker

20:36

@MarkHenderson that's ok, I'll sleep in the bar in the second building

cole

DBA just told me they missed me lol

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker How does 549k euro's stack up in terms of property prices in your area? Is that a lot or cheap?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

surprisingly affordable for a house that big

Mark Henderson

Just keep the kids away from the canal at the back of the house :P

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson they need to learn to swim :)

cole

20:38

Wow that's a really nice house

TheCleaner

@DennisKaarsemaker - very nice landscaping. But do new houses like that all use room pipe heaters like that there? Do they not have central HVAC or is it more economical this way to control heat per room?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

there's no such thing as 'central HVAC' in .nl

TheCleaner

gotcha

Mark Henderson

@TheCleaner They love those things in Europe

But they also usually insulate their houses like nobody else either, so the heat stays in

MDMarra

I appear to have upset Marcel. Poor Marcel

@MDMarra you're right but then you'll be stalking OP looking for 'i cannot reach max number of users' question just to answer it and win some more reputation points and some copper coins... — Marcel 2 mins ago

TheCleaner

20:44

One of these days I plan on visiting Sweden and seeing where my grandfather came from...but it''ll probably be 10 years from now or more

mossy

@MDMarra is that who set up the downvote bot?

Mark Henderson

I'm guessing that every square centimeter of that roof space is insulated with glass wool or mushed paper or something similar

MDMarra

@mossy Heh, I'm sure there's no bot downvoting me

But I have no idea if it was him or not, but it happened right after he made his first comment on that answer

mossy

haha

MDMarra

Doesn't matter, the Server Fault serial downvote protection will kick in in a few hours

Ry Jones

20:46

@MarkHenderson yes, yes

I killed microsoft.com and lived to tell the tale, no connection with the other site though

3

TheCleaner

@MDMarra Look at it this way...he's at 606 rep. If he downvotes you 606 times until he's out of rep, you'll lose 1212 rep. I think you'll be alright in that battle.

MDMarra

Ah but I had all questions downvoted

It doesnt cost any rep to downvote questions

'sokay though. I have more rep than god

Anonymous

@MDMarra give me rep

Anonymous

you can collude with me via bounties

MDMarra

nope

earn it, brotato

TheCleaner

20:49

@MDMarra well yeah...but don't we all...

GOD, Good Luck, I'm Behind 7 Proxies

101 1

Chris S

brotato?

MDMarra

potato + bro

Anonymous

@TheCleaner i don't ;_;

Anonymous

@MDMarra meeehh

MDMarra

It'd be more appropriate for an Irishman, I suppose

cole

20:51

Weird

Added user to administrators group on XP machine > user cannot create local user on box. wat.

MDMarra

Have you tried upgrading to a modern operating system?

:D

TheCleaner

MDMarra

BRO MONTANA

I'm going to use that

Chris S

I don't think the "younger" generation will get that reference.

cole

I say Bro Montana all the time

TheCleaner

20:55

@MDMarra I like Bro Namath better

MDMarra

YES

except fuck the Jets

cole

@MDMarra lulz

TheCleaner

I'm a Jets fan and they continue to screw me over every year.

MDMarra

YOU'RE A JETS FAN?

DUDE

WHAT THE HELL

cole

WAT

BOOOOOOOOOOOO

MDMarra

20:56

How can you be a fan of a team coached by Jabba the Hutt?

Chris S

@TheCleaner Not as bad as being a Lions fan... Or Texans. =]

MDMarra

Rex Ryan might be 7000lbs

Texans got boned this year haha

I know, I had to start Case Keenum in my fantasy playoffs this year

Ry Jones

MDMarra

<--------Patriots

cole

+1

Ry Jones

20:58

@MDMarra pay.reddit.com/r/nfl

MDMarra

wwhat about it

Ry Jones

gget in there and troll

MDMarra

haha

Ry Jones

flair up and get your troll on

TheCleaner

I became a Jets fan when it was Vinny, Chrebet, Martin, etc. I don't really even know why...probably because there isn't a pro team here and I wanted to be able to root for a team that nobody liked (and everyone here likes Dallas).

Chris S

20:59

Packers get the proud title of being the only division champ this year to do so with only single-digit wins.

Ry Jones

@ChrisS hey, Seattle did that with a losing season

MDMarra

I still can't believe Matt Flynn and Scott "Hey opposing defense, here's the football" Tolzien got them even that far

Ry Jones

7-9 NFC West champs!

Chris S

@RyJones Not this year... =P

Ry Jones

@ChrisS Oh, I know. Nobody in town will shut up about it

Chris S

21:01

Oh... That's an odd thing to keep bringing up

Ry Jones

Seattle Coach Pete Carroll: Seahawks Only Need 3 Losses To Reach Super Bowl theonion.com/articles/…

Chris S

Even Lions fans are trying to forget the 0-16 season.

MDMarra

The reverse perfecto!

Ry Jones

@ChrisS no, I mean I know the record is better this year as they won't shut up about it. Nobody discusses the 7-9 season

cole

XP U MAKE NO SENSE

Chris S

21:03

OIC

Ry Jones

You guys see my new testbed? instagram.com/p/i7l7VlzDEp

cole

@RyJones ooo

Ry Jones

I got another 56 of them waiting to be assembled onto boards

MDMarra

what are they

Ry Jones

arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun?from=Main.ArduinoYUN

basically, an openwrt box with a side of atmega.

MDMarra

21:05

What are you doing with them

Ry Jones

I needed lots of real network nodes to run stress on.

we found virtual nodes were not turning up multi-device bugs that actual hardware was turning up

MDMarra

youre using them to do what though? generate traffic to saturate a switch?

ah

fun

Ry Jones

no, these all run discovery programs, so each node advertises services and responds to advertisements and the like. the device under test (not shown) checks advertisements, orders services, etc

Nathan C

Ah, I love these 2808 switches. No internal fans so it's nice and quiet >.>

been configuring switches and equipment all day today

Ry Jones

@MDMarra imagine a house full of stuff from the list of manufacturers here: allseenalliance.org/announcement/…

MDMarra

21:13

ooh my

Ry Jones

so we're emulating light bulbs talking to tvs talking to dishwashers or whatever.

cole

@RyJones whoa

Ry Jones

those Yuns are wireless, too, so we can have them talking on different wireless networks or whatever.

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I'm thinking of using something like that for home automation to replace traditional light switches

Only needs a small amount of IO, but built in networking

Ry Jones

the Yun is really nice, since it has all of the Arduino features with the microcontroller but a full openwrt implementation on the other side for networking

Mark Henderson

21:22

Hmm; it looks like the same size as a normal Uno. Your photo made them look smaller

Ry Jones

it uses all the normal sheilds, etc

Mark Henderson

Ah

I want it because PoE

Ry Jones

ah, yes, it does PoE but we're not using that

here one is with items for scale: instagram.com/p/i9osTvzDFB

Stack Exchange

myotherpcisacloud.com: Website Upgrade, Coding, and Dealing with NTFS ACLs on Server Core

posted on January 09, 2014 by ryan

I apologize in advance - this blog post is going to be all over the place. I haven't posted in a while, mainly because I've been engrossed in a personal programming project. Part of which includes a multithreaded web server I wrote over the weekend that I'm kind of proud of. My ShareDiscreetlyWebServer is single-threaded, because when I wrote it, I had not yet grasped the awesome power of…

mossy

Has anyone heard about this?

http://cuckoosandbox.org/about.html

Bad, good, meh?

cole

21:29

I have not heard of that @mossy

I want to play with it

mossy

same

cole

Bookmarked.

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Typical American scale. Can't use a ruler, got to use other "things" that I have no idea how big each one independantly :p

All good though, looks the same as a regular uno

cole

Time to head home, bbiab

mossy

@cole See ya

Series8217

21:31

@RyJones Haha, I am amused by the LaRue Tactical Beverage Entry Tool

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson bog standard bottle opener and cell phone

@Series8217 if you want one, I'll send you a brand new one in wrap. I have dozens

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Fairly sure there's no SI for "bottle opener" and "cell phone"

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson the bottle opener opening is as big as a bottle cap!

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Right, its tail

What about the rest of it?

Series8217

@RyJones I have one :-) Thanks though! You must have a lot of evil black toys to have collected so many openers...

Ry Jones

21:34

@Series8217 come out sometime we'll have fun

MDMarra

0

Q: Severe performance issues sharing openvpn client connection to LAN clients virtualbox

I am trying to set up an internal network in Virtualbox in order to share an openvpn client tunnel with multiple VMs acting as clients that should be completely isolated from everything except for the VPN tunnel interface, so as to prevent all possibilities of the client VMs from revealing my rea...

wat

Mark Henderson

LEARN HOW TO PARAGRAPH

MDMarra

This is how my brain interpreted that question:

I am trying to set up an internal network in Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox Virtualbox

5

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Hey man vbox is good if you're using vagrant

Mark Henderson

He had two incorrectly-formatted paragraphs in the source; so I turnd them into real paras

MDMarra

21:43

loldevelopers

Mark Henderson

But I cbf doing the rest

MDMarra

Hey @JoelESalas remember that time HN and github went down in the same week?

Mark Henderson

0

Q: Is there any linux server with public ip on the internet?

Im learning Linux but not always in home. Is there any Linux server on the internet with ssh and remote terminal enabled for testing and training?

linux ssh terminal internet

MDMarra

hahahaha

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Yeah?

MDMarra

21:46

I'm so tempted to say "No, there are no Linux servers on the Internet"

Mark Henderson

I am surprised to find that there is actually a better answer that actually answers the guys question

0

A: Is there any linux server with public ip on the internet?

There's the SDF Public Access Server (http://sdf.org/?signup) and it is free forever (but they accept and appreciate donations).. Really easy to sign up (connect, and your account is created within the SSH session). Has some file storage, SSH, screen, etc. Even more options are available after a ...

MDMarra

@JoelESalas Just poking fun at you!

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra What does it have to do with Vagrant ;_;

MDMarra

oh, nothing

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson SHOPPING QUESTION KILL IT NOW

Ry Jones

21:48

@MarkHenderson instagram.com/p/i9qP3VTDHV

Mathias R. Jessen

So... Instead of breaking the standards (by using ANAME/ALIAS) you want to break the standards (by using an apex CNAME)? — Mathias R. Jessen 22 secs ago

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Superuser

MDMarra

wtf is an ANAME

Tanner

@RyJones beer for scale?

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I.. have never seen a bottle opener that works that way

Michael Hampton

21:48

@MarkHenderson SU was the reason shopping questions got banned in the first place

Ry Jones

@Tanner well, sure

Mark Henderson

For opening twist tops I use this crazy fucking thing called "my hands"

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson sorry, I'm not that strong

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra A non-standard RR type that DNSMadeEasy introduced while everybody else settled on non-standard ALIAS types

Mark Henderson

@MathiasR.Jessen Yep

Mathias R. Jessen

21:54

I believe the DNS extentions working group at IETF actually proposed a change to the CNAME exception along with a solution to the resolver cache issues that arise when you use it at the zone apex

But nothing really happened :(

Danila Ladner

forgot in ssl cert first goes server cert, then intermidiate, then ca?

Mathias R. Jessen

Not CA, server should only send:
1. Public key/cert
2. Intermediate

mossy

Lol @MarkHenderson. Your comment made me laugh. Thanks

Danila Ladner

@MathiasR.Jessen hmm i have 3 squashed together

cole

And back

Danila Ladner

21:57

i can only see 2 though in s_client -connect chain

but the actual cert with 3.

Mathias R. Jessen

Maybe the server is clever and excludes the self-signed root CA cert from being presented

use -showcerts to have it output all certs sent

Danila Ladner

i did use -showcerts

shows only 1 and 2d from the cert, 3d is not there.

Mathias R. Jessen

3d is another intermediate?

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