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07:00
I mean, do you want to lease a server, colocate a few U or a few racks, get some "cloud" VMs, something else?
If I'm going to do colo, I'm doing it within driving distance. So that limits my options to half a dozen DCs. So lease is probably the way to go. Lease or Cloud, which are mostly two ways of selling the same thing.
Well, there is Phoenix NAP which has been good to me so far. Though I've only used their vSphere based cloud offering to date.
@MichaelHampton Phoenix NAP is my local colo of choice. Interesting to talk to someone who uses their stuff remotely, though. They do great pricing on small cabinets.
My only complaint is no IPv6. So I've personally moved out of there, but I have clients who are moving in or are still there.
@MichaelHampton Really, they don't do IPv6?
07:04
Not on their cloud offering. I dunno about anything else.
@MichaelHampton They're the original NAP for the phoenix area (hence the name), so they've got bandwidth from literally everyone. I'm pretty sure their blended bandwidth has IPv6. HE is one of the providers, and HE is pretty gung-ho about IPv6.
Yeah, I can tunnel to both SixXS and HE right in the building, but that's still... uh...
But you're talking about their shared cloud, right?
I was told earlier this year the PhoenixNAP will have IPv6 by the end of 2013
07:13
A sales rep from one of the other DCs in town (IO) was pretty grumpy about PhoenixNAP. They thought it was a "low-rent" sort of place filled with porn sites.
@tylerl Now that's another company who's been around for freaking ever.
They were like, "you never know when the FBI is going to come busting in and take out a whole cage."
@MichaelHampton Yeah, their operations here are huge.
huh, I know a hosting provider like that
morning all
Most of their customers pay in the millions.
07:14
hey
ho humm more coffee required
@tylerl so that salesdude being snotty is prepared to give you a written guarantee that none of their customers have hacked servers in their racks that might, you know, cause the FBI to come busting in and take out a whole cage? I'd actually ask them to guarantee that in writing and see how many backpedals per second they can manage
'cuz we all know that shit happens despite your best intentions even if they don't...
man, I'd love to see the look on the lawyer's face in that scenario
@RobM No kidding. Still, like I said, most of their customers own an entire wing, not just a cage.
oh yeah. Still, I just love messing with with stupid salesdroids.
To be fair, good sales people, who understand their own products and have at least some idea of the needs of the customers, are worth their weight in gold however.
Still, I've toured a lot of DCs, and PhoenixNAP is on the top 5 list for crazy-cool security tech.
way cooler than IO
@MichaelHampton Ah, they own CCBill. That's the association
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07:55
'sup
@Dan I lost your GPO template link.. gimme?
thanks
08:16
good morning chums
mornin'
give me teh scriptz!
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Aw, it had gone by the time I clicked Submit on No, sorry. If I did, I'd have to kill you.
Just realised I've been spelling someones name wrong for weeks, though in my defence his company have spelt it wrong in the Display Name portion of his e-mail config
@Dan For some reason people always want to put an extra "r" into my last name.
As part of my Z1 pre-order I'm getting a free SmartWatch 2 into the deal. Should be delivered today, three weeks after the claim date D:
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@JennyD My old job was much more customer relationship focussed and I always stressed over names - some of my customers would change their e-mail sign off on a daily basis (Cath / Catherine / Cathy for example) and I'd always use whatever they used last!
08:24
@Dan Yeah, I'm a great fan of calling people whatever they themselves prefer to be called. And I do get irritated that some people can't even copy my name correctly off of a list.
Last name is Dybedahl. Swedes generally want it to be Dyberdahl instead. My actual name is quite uncommon in Sweden, and the misspelled version doesn't exist here at all.
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@JennyD, that may be the best second name I've seen. I love it
@JennyD Dybedahl is what Norwegians would call someone if their name is Dyberdahl :)
@Dan It's Norwegian and means "deep valley". My husband's grandfather came from a family that had the farm furthest down in the valley, thence the name. He was in the resistance in WW2 and ended up having to flee across the border because apparently the Germans got really fed up with him.
So he married a Swedish woman and everyone by the name Dybedahl in Sweden is related to my husband's family.
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@JennyD That's a cool story. My grandad was in the Polish army and was caught trying to smuggle a girl out of Italy :D
apart from my family, there's only three other people I know have my surname. Darryl Bullock, the first gay guy to have a civil partnership in Bristol, Sandra Bullock, the Actress, and Anna-Mae Bullock, better known as Tina Turner.
08:33
I've a friend whose last name is Allbery. He gets misspelled a lot.
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My last name is very simply (Herman) but a) Everyone thinks it's German* b) M & N's are confusing over the phone c) Everyone wants to add an extra N to the end
*Apart from the obvious rhyme, I guess it could have been German in history, but my grandfather wouldn't be too happy about it being considered German
@Dan Herman is the same name as Armand, both originating from "arminius" meaning a solder/"war man"
So you might have gotten it from German, French, or British (originally Normandic) ancestors
I like etymology
08:58
The ServerFault twitter bot just tweeted a shit question.
Continuous hits to the server with Jmeter http://serverfault.com/q/546027?atw=1 #loadtesting
Doesn't it always?
Sometimes it gets some gems.
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It's certainly interesting (That was in response to @JennyD)
@TomO'Connor Ooh, you may be able to help me before I start googling
We have a bog stock stainless steel sink in the kitchen. The the cap where the tap would go if the sink were the other way round has lost its seal. What should I use to seal it up? Will silicone work? I'm not convinced - but I guess it may
Actually, would plumbers putty work?
yes, I was just typing that.
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Sold
09:06
@JennyD just about everyone who isn't scottish mis-spells my surname the first time. Quite often even when being told exactly how to spell it.
gah. what does one do with a coworker who takes delight in making people stressed?
tell them to cut the bullshit out. Or get their manager to tell them that
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@FalconMomot Take them aside and explain to them that being a prick does you no favours
I think I'm going to get him an ice cream cake for tomorrow with "crunch time" and "code freeze" on it
Set them on fire.
09:07
@TomO'Connor the twatter feed should be routed straight to the close queue
and the best part? the project is actually on time - he just enjoys making a big deal about it.
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@FalconMomot To be fair (Kind of) there are a lot of people who think making a big drama is the only way to motivate people to get things in on time. It's stupid and it needs correcting, but he may not be upsetting people deliberately as such
yeah, it crossed my mind that he notices I'm not stressing and sees this as a problem
I think I'll chat with him about that after the project is over.
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Personally, I actually work well under pressure, but I hate being stressed - the two aren't the same IMHO
I hear you.
I make a very strong point of never stressing over anything.
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09:11
That was meant to be agreement with you, by the way :D And same - I commented to a girl here that I'd annoyed myself by getting stressed out last week. She said that I always appeared calm and under control, which I did take as a compliment
either a problem has a solution, so you solve it (hard as it may be), or it doesn't and you're going to fail, but either way, there isn't any need to get worked up about it.
@Dan I know.
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@FalconMomot Exactly - you can only do what's within your power. The rest will have to sort itself out
@DennisKaarsemaker aah, yes, that would do well, if only the office wasn't full of hackers.
@FalconMomot besides, when you're stressed you don't do as good a job as when you're calm. Our brain on adrenaline is not exactly rational.
09:12
oh dear I think I really pissed the guy who wants to eff about with DHCP off yesterday
@FalconMomot so you hide it in his house :)
@DennisKaarsemaker I was just thinking of that.
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It doesn't help that our society pushes manager and people in control of projects to consistently "excel". Simply delivering what has been asked for, at an agreed price somehow isn't good enough
If you have lots of hackers, you must have a few lockpickers too
@Dan yup. and because I worked really hard before (and also this work isn't the kind of work that adrenaline even helps in the slightest), I don't actually have much left to complete. This concept seems lost on a lot of people - I don't tend to have a "crunch" because I did the crunch workload earlier, when it was convenient.
09:13
@Iain but DHCP is so much fun to eff about with
@Dan That is true too.
@DennisKaarsemaker did you see what he wanted to try and do ?
You should see my dhcp setup and the magic I attached to it with pcap. It's glorious!
@Iain no, but I bet it's not as bad as what I did :)
linky?
I will really like the day DHCP is not part of every network.
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@DennisKaarsemaker Careful - @Iain can still room ban you!
09:15
RA is beautiful, and it has support for advertising DNS info now (but I don't see any OS actually able to use it)
@DennisKaarsemaker serverfault.com/questions/545781/… as @FalconMomot points out the protocol doesn't even support what he wants to do
@Iain oh. yeah, that.
there are solutions, but all of them are kludges.
and none of them are as good as DHCPD reservations.
he is an end user when all is said and done
@FalconMomot what @Dan said about the people who think we need drama to solve stuff. My boss is like that, he accepts on an intellectual level that when we have a big deadline or problem the fact that me and my PFY just get on with working on it without screaming and shouting but once someone or something puts him under pressure he forgets all that and gets agitated that the rest of us are not running around screaming like he is.
Oh, I retract all comments. The guy is OT, and possibly insane.
09:17
He can't help being that way but its still bloody annoying and stressful.
however, he mentions /etc/resolv.conf, so he's on a system that isc-dhcp-client supports
and what he wants is possible with that
Doesn't make it any less stupid, so no way I'm answering/commenting :)
@RobM I hear you. On the converse, other people complain that I trivialize everything. What to do.
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@RobM There's a PM I work with - he's actually very good at it, but after the first week (of 8) I didn't think I'd make it through. It's not so bad now that I know how to deal with him and what he's like - but man, those first few days / weeks
@FalconMomot that's the complaint I get. Because I work hard at not getting stressed out about stuff and try not to panic about anything, the perception from the boss who does like to panic and those who listen to him is that I don't take things seriously.
@RobM They should look at what kind of work you put out rather than what kind of vibes
09:21
All you can do is keep plugging away, and point out that you've got the problem sorted quickly or met the deadline easily and you get through to the smart people in the end.
@JennyD exactly. I don't care how the people who work for me organise their day as long as they meet their goals.
@dan yeah, I know what you mean. Sadly people like that might be good in some ways but they can cause a lot of organisational damage by burning out other people.
@Dan Sanitary grade silicone would be a pretty good contender.
@JennyD see, yes, since I wrote a gargantuan amount of very solid output, and justified it all on short notice when some of it was questioned, and then invented 2 novel techniques we are going to patent, I started hearing that one less often :)
@Dan you know there's diy.stackexchange.com, right?
but now that some people are stressing I hear it again.
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@TomO'Connor I did, but I thought it was too trivial
09:23
@Dan Make sure you clean both surfaces really well, wirewool or a green scotchbrite pad
then get them both dry and apply a bead of sanitary silicone to the plug
@FalconMomot that's the thing. You can explain something to people and they understand on an intellectual basis, but when they get stressed themselves their lizard brain takes over and they revert to type.
leave it to dry for 24 hours and it should be fine.
@DennisKaarsemaker isn't his main problem that the machine he wants to run dnsmasq on is also a dhcp client so when it's IP address changes he has no easy way of detecting this and updating all the rest of the clients - whichever way you look at it, it is a crock though
Sanitary silicone is a lot more water-tolerant, and sticky.
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@TomO'Connor Cool, cheers dude
09:24
@RobM I need to get those people into taoism.
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It was either that or weld the fucker :D
I've never actually welded anything
And if you don't have a cartridge gun yet, get one. It'll be the most useful and versatile thing you ever get.. Especially if you get the larger size one, so it'll take "industrial size" 310 ml carts.
Welding stainless steel. No thanks.
not without a tig kit.
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@DennisKaarsemaker It's not a skill I've spent nearly enough time on - I can weld easy stuff like chassis rails, but I've never had the guts to try body work or anything
I didn't realise you were a DIY guru @TomO'Connor
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09:26
@TomO'Connor I believe it's possible to MIG it, but no, it wouldn't be the easiest thing
@TomO'Connor Hey, I'm not that hopeless - I resealed the whole bath the other year
@Dan Ah yes, but some cartridges won't fit in smaller DIY-grade guns ;)
@Dan Possible. but incredibly tricky. Everything has to be clean. New torch liner, new tip, different shield gas.
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@TomO'Connor Everything has to be ultra clean anyway - especially when you're stuck with a 13A hobby MIG
Sinks are also thin.
Really thin.
and you'd probably find that it'd distort with heat
or burn through
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Possibly - it'd be similar to body work in that sense. Lots of small bursts with plenty of cooling time inbetween
one other option, would be to drill a hole through the plug, make a washer for it (old bike innertube etc), then put a block of wood with a hole in on the other side, and tighten it up onto the sink
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09:29
I wasn't really serious though
I think you need Helium/Argon/CO2 mix gas for mig welding stainless
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@TomO'Connor I did consider that because I had the stuff to do it, but I thought it was a bit....meh
@Dan yeah, you'd have to fashion a seal around the bolt hole too.
@FalconMomot Good :-)
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@TomO'Connor I really need to use my Mig more and learn properly
09:32
I need to fix mine
Or replace it with a better one.
@JennyD indeed.
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@TomO'Connor What do you have?
@RobM At the previous job there was one guy that would keep telling me to calm down and not stress - when I was perfectly calm and non-stressed. He did manage to make me non-calm by that, though...
CALM DOWN, WILL YOU!
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09:34
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/135te-turbo-mig-welder

This is mine - can't complain for the price. It was great for some of the bigger VW work I've done (Welding suspension beams and the like), I just need to do some more gentle stuff :D
that's mine, and I hate it.
I bought it 2nd hand on ebay for 40 quid.
@DennisKaarsemaker Worst thing if you say that you are calm, they won't accept it, and then you get upset and then they say "see? You're not calm!"
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meh, you people and your space for welders ;p
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@TomO'Connor :D I need to invest in a proper auto darkening mask, too
@DennisKaarsemaker "Now, one of us needs to calm down. Fortunately, I know a good place to hide bodies, so I'm afraid it has to be you. On the bright side this means less cleanup for me, blood is a pain in the ass to get off my shirt"
;p
09:37
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My horse wants to be a unicorn
@Dan Same here.
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@JourneymanGeek I don't think I could live without a garage now
Mind you, I'm willing to admit I have a tool fetish.
@JennyD if I didn't know better I'd swear you used to work for my boss. He winds us all up with his panicking, then complains that we're all stressed out, then gets offended when people point out that its down to him.
@JennyD Exactly. I find the expectation that I be stressed, stressed people, and people who smirk while explaining actual problems with no solutions all very stressful things. The things themselves though are just fine.
09:41
@RobM Fortunately that wasn't my boss
ah.
in that case, wanna trade bosses?
the latter, I find stressful because that's a combative behaviour.
@RobM Heh. I don't even work at that place any longer, and the boss I did have had some other faults. Like not being good at handling conflicts and wanting everyone to like him all the time.
@FalconMomot like the film said, some people just want to watch the world burn.
@RobM Oh, I sympathize with that, believe me
09:43
@JennyD almost like they're real people too, with all the faults we all have, eh?
it's the "I want to stress you out, so I'm going to argue with you until you believe that this is a serious problem and we're all doomed, and then smirk at you" behaviour I don't get.
@RobM Almost. Though my current boss is quite good, except he still hasn't approved my new computer that I want to buy
it's been a whole day since I submitted it! Almost two!
the devil!
my boss is off right now on vacation so i'm running the team. Elsewhere people are complaining about my faults, no doubt ;-)
@RobM They are probably complaining that you are so perfect that they will feel bad when the real boss comes back ;-)
@JennyD a nice thought at least ;-)
I might book in a few days vacation myself just to put my feet up. I'm still supposed to be avoiding stress after the summer I had, with a close aunt dying on top of everything else, and my stomach is still messed up from it.
09:46
@RobM I'm sorry for your loss
Now its starting to turn colder around here a week or so in bed under the covers until later on in the morning sounds very tempting
thanks @JennyD - mostly I'm worried about my cousins, her children, and their kids. It was a stroke and they all have taken it pretty badly as well you might.
@RobM My grandmother went from a stroke, too. Very sudden. But at least she was very old, and it did help to know that she had no time to suffer. I see how it's a lot harder with a younger person
Yeah :-( . Some ways of going are harder than others but there aren't any easy or good ways to lose people you love. I guess its part of getting older, losing people I mean, but still.
@RobM Losing someone is always painful, no matter their or your age.
OK. Today's episode of "that's just wrong".

Today I have **solved** a problem by installing a new copy of Microsoft's Forefront TMG.

That thing actually solving a problem is not something you see every day...
09:52
and I feel that I'm talking in cliches, but the reason that they have become cliches is that people repeat them because they are true
@RobM wut
Yes, absolutely.
@JennyD Our Squid based proxy/filter has poorer throughput, noticeably so, than the forefront box I just installed.
that's just wrong, I know, but the squid box is properly set up and everything. It's just not handling our connection too well.
@RobM Ack. Vacation is good for things like that.
@FalconMomot are you talking about the stress or about the bizarre experience of microsoft forefront tmg actually being useful?
@RobM I should think that would require a brain scrub with bleach.
Ha. yeah, talking about the stress.
Forefront anything... ok... people have done worse, but I'm convinced you'll live to regret it.
10:00
@JennyD yes. But it may persuade my director here that we should buy a "real" firewall and setup a decent web filter too.
@FalconMomot I already do, whatever else you can say about it, its a dead product. Installing it is a step backwards however you look at it.
never understood that web filtering thing.
if your people are watching porn at their desk and it's inappropriate, you need to sanction them for it. preventing it doesn't address that you are staffed with the kinds of people who would, if left to their own devices, do that.
@FalconMomot I'd agree for a business. But I work in a college. We're legally required to filter the web for students.
@RobM In a college? Who the fuck passed that law?
that's just sad.
the british govt. of course
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@FalconMomot Remember that over here colleges still have a large proportion of under 18's
10:04
H. M. Nanny Service, no doubt.
anyone here not seen something unseemly before 17?
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@FalconMomot 16 - 18, actually, but there's still a duty of care from the establishment - I don't think it's nannying particularly
anyway, I should like... relax with a book or something
There's also a classroom control issue - if we don't block stuff the whole class would be on games/facebook/non-work stuff.
Although we've just ublocked YouTube (and soon to be) Twitter for all studets, so that's a moot point.
10:06
we have the same thing happen here, and then the people who don't learn to pay attention without coercion fail out, as they should.
they usually take a year off to grow the fuck up, and then return.
but yes, books and rest.
@FalconMomot: me ;p
I guess I still haven't really. But I was a total innocent until I was 20 ;p
@FalconMomot heh, workplace/school level content filters arn't too bad
its the whole nationwide content filters designed by some do-gooder NGO thats silly
(oh, we have a content filter. Its only 200 websites, and it occationally fucks up some stuff)
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Has anyone seen the film "Rush" yet?
yes but it was a terrible cam rip and didn't make me happy
seemed ok though
I would watch it again at some point
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Has to be >720p for me to watch anything nowadays (Unless the original was SD, of course)
I'm usually the same
the trailers made the movie look interesting enough for me to ignore that requirement though
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10:19
I'll probably wait until it appears on the Apple TV or XBox
@Dan I saw it the day it came out - loved it, really works as a film, the actual details are a bit more complex than they portray but it's a good film
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@Chopper3 Excellent - I love the story. The BBC have done some great bits and pieces over the last few years of that era of F1
And this is very sad news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/24532901
Been a bad week for motorsport
@Dan it really is very good indeed, and quite short too - there's a real tendency for 'serious' films to overrun these days
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@Chopper3 I still haven't got round to watching Senna, either. It's one of those films I want to watch at the "rigth" time, rather than making do in a hotel
10:51
fecking HP
@Dan 'Senna' was too one-sided for me
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Christ, since last nights Crimewatch my whole facebook is full of Forensic Experts who have apparently had access to more evidence than the Met.
@tombull89 ludicrous speed, now!
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11:09
Any one here aware of dmidecode ? I have question related on dmidecode
FUCK. ME.
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@Chopper3 dafuck?
Red Bull released a multi-camera video with stats (heart rate, velocity) of Felix Baumgater's jump.
@Dan I have a filing cabinet full of tools. And I BADLY want a small lathe, but I fon't have the space.
@JourneymanGeek I'm building a 4D milling machine. (3D plus axial rotation)
@TomO'Connor: as I said, I lack the space :/
but then again, there always seems to be some excuse for not having hobbies from my parent's generation
(I mean, the dog has more things than me ;p)
@JourneymanGeek And the dog can lick it's own genitals.
true
I think its a south asian thing
hobbies are apparently wasteful
11:44
@tombull89 took them long enough to release, but damn, it's awesome!
@Chopper3 there are no words for how bad that song is.
no, no there isn't
it makes rebecca black look like david bowie.
thats pretty impressive
musically i mean. There's still little physical resemblance.
its like the musical equivalent of goatse.
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Witchcraft

Proposed Q&A site for practitioners of Witchcraft and people interested in learning more about it.

Currently in definition.

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I....I...
@tombull89 Um. Either they are serious, in which case it's a bad thing, or they're not, in which case it's a stupid thing
12:18
@Chopper3 Those noodles make me hungry.
Also. Fuck you @Chopper3 for posting that.
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Hello friends.
hey Cole
how goes it @JennyD
@Cole it's mostly good, how're you?
CH-CH-CH-CH-CH-CHOW MEIN
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12:28
@MDMarra Friday, Friday, gotta get down on CH-CH-CH-CH-CH-CHOW MEIN
@tombull89 it's not Friday
just thought you should know
@kalina shhh
@tombull89 shhh you
we've found another Friday anyway
@tombull89 is it on Tuesday?
12:36
@JennyD counting down the days.
@Cole count down to what?
@LucasKauffman my last day
@Cole at work?
I'm counting down the hours until I get to tell @ewwhite to meet me for dinner in a nice Rittenhouse restaurant and then don't show up while telling him "10 more minutes" every time he asks where I am.
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@LucasKauffman yes
@MDMarra LOL
12:38
@MDMarra Bastard.
@Cole got a new job/project in the pipeline?
Finally the appraiser has come to look at my car (from the guy who hit me) - almost 2 weeks later -_-
@LucasKauffman yeah new contract to perm job
More money, better company, and better technology - and I can focus on 2-3 technologies instead of all of them like here.
@Cole cool what are you getting to play with?
@Chopper3 got myself some Splunk t-shirts at Brucon and probably a developer license :D
@LucasKauffman Windows/VMware mostly. But I believe they use SCCM/SCOM/etc.
@Cole sweet
@LucasKauffman I'm excited.
12:42
@Cole SCOM?
@Cole new jobs are nice I guess (I never had a new job though)
Had an ex-gf who was a developer their for 2 years. She loved it, just wanted to move, so that's why she left.
@tombull89 System Center Operations Manager
Maybe it wasn't SCOM
I can't remember
@Cole and now you can back together?
@LucasKauffman lol no
in a romantic setting between two server racks
12:44
Although she is smoking hot
@Cole pics
on the left
@Cole not bad
@LucasKauffman yeah she's actually very smart and cool. We're still pretty good friends.
dammit cole.
12:47
@Cole she's gay?
@LucasKauffman no
She's straight
@Cole awesome
Because..you know, I'm a dude not a lesbian.
@Cole I know, but you used to be a girl, this is confusing!
@LucasKauffman legally, even now on my birth certificate - I'm male.
12:49
alright
Most women are kinda ok with my downstairs mix up
I'M OLD GREG!
Just got a free copy of SCORCH cookbook 2012
Having a blog is finally paying off!
@Cole you don't have a penis?
@MDMarra nice
@LucasKauffman well that's subjective, but technically, no.
@MDMarra hooray! I need to blog MOAR
@Cole well you've got balls though ^^
@Cole just attend cons, half of my O'reilly books comes from there
12:50
I was born with a birth defect - my penis is inside out. :P haha
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However, I am strongly considering bottom surgery at this time.
@Cole is that even possible?
So if anyone would like to loan me about $50K
@LucasKauffman yes
DAT ASS.
There's two options meta and phallo.
50k for a penis o.O
@Cole what's the difference?
12:53
Meta uses what you have, since the clitoris grows to 2-3" on testosterone. (Sometimes larger) they will shape the penis with that, and route all the required plumbing so you can stand to pee - and you get silicone implants for testicles. The phallo takes a huge skin graph from your thigh or forearm, and creates a larger (5-7") penis. However, you have to use a pump to get erect and not much feeling.
@Cole I'd go with number one then
Obviously, a 2-3" penis isn't ideal - but the way I look at it, I have that already - so I'd rather be able to stand to pee/feel comfortable with my body.
@Cole trust me, peeing while standing is the best thing you will experience
@LucasKauffman that's probably what I'm going to do. I didn't want bottom surgery for awhile - but after almost 3 years on testosterone, and post-op chest....it's starting to be something I need more than want.
you can always get a phallo after a meta, but not vice versa.
@Cole now all you need is 50k
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@LucasKauffman or a company whose insurance covers SRS.
Some larger companies usually do, about $75K worth
Like Target, Walmart, Coca Cola, Microsoft

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