The Comms Room

WesleyDavid

21:00

That's right, I say "master" - PETA can suck it.

D'aww. How could you not love that face:

Michael Hampton

Do you actually have /proc mounted? — Michael Hampton 21 secs ago

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton ...what's a /proc? :P

Falcon Momot

We must ship him this cat:

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Trust me, you don't want to know.

Falcon Momot

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WesleyDavid

21:06

@FalconMomot Bad cat.

Falcon Momot

@WesleyDavid murderous cat.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton BSD has procfs. I've never mounted it.

@FalconMomot You'd be pissed too if everyone called you "burger"

"I can has cheezburger?"
"NO! I've been 'has'ed enough! Leave me the fuck alone!"

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@MichaelHampton ...ugh seriously?

downvoted that for total lack of reading comprehension skills, and I'm tempted to slam close it.

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Where's the "You're a bloody idiot" close reason?

voretaq7

seriously

I'm generally tolerant of beginners, but "Didn't read the error message" is simply not acceptable.

Michael Hampton

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WesleyDavid

21:22

@voretaq7 Who doesn't read error messages? Idiots! That's who!

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A: RHEL 6.4: Mode 1 channel bonding not failing over

READ. YOUR. CONFIGS. And when that fails... READ. ALL. OUTPUTS. Do you see what's in ifcfg-bond0? No, do you understand what's in ifcfg-bond0? What in the world of slippery penguins is miimmon=100? Oh I'm sorry, did you mean miimon=100? Yeah, I think you meant miimon and not miimmon. Also,...

Fortunately, I systemically remove all self respect from my person long ago.

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid Systemically != systematically

freiheit

This question appears to be off-topic because obviously you can't read the very helpful instructions the log file gives you. — SvW 1 min ago

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Riiiight... so systemic meaning thorough and through an entire system.

freiheit

@JoelESalas This is because the english language is evil. ;)

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid just weird usage is all

WesleyDavid

21:25

@JoelESalas I'm a cat, you can't explain that!

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid!

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freiheit

@WesleyDavid Apparently I'm a Surly LHT carrying a beer

WesleyDavid

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 The cat cuddling the lizard is my favorite part of that movie.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton I like the panda lemon party/tubgirl moment

"What the FUCK? He's pissing on me? Meh - I'm a panda. I'm too lazy to move....oh oh now he's shitting. OK. time to go."

Dennis Kaarsemaker

21:34

Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb. Mary had a little lamb, until it got hit by a truck and died on impact.

Tweeted by AntiJokeCat on June 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Lambchop time.

Iain

WesleyDavid

@Iain This is the song that never ends! Yes it goes on and on my friendssss!!

Some people - started singing it not knowing what it was!

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Go away. Go FAR FAR AWAY!

WesleyDavid

And they'll continue singing it forever just because...

THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVAR ENDSSS! YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDSSSSS!!

voretaq7

Mary had a little lamb, she ate it with mint jelly.
And everywhere that Mary went that lamb was in her belly.

Tanner

21:39

@WesleyDavid Some people - started singing it not knowing what it was!

Damn you cat.

WesleyDavid

@Tanner AND THEY'LL CONTINUE SINGING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE!!!

Iain

@voretaq7 I really don't get mint sauce/jelly with Lamb

voretaq7

@Iain me either, I think it's vile

freiheit

@Iain I think if you have gamey mutton, it can cover up the gaminess...

voretaq7

If the lamb is rancid and you need to cover the taste I guess it makes sense, but this isn't the 17th century - we have refrigeration and proper cooking techniques.

@freiheit how "gamey" would it have to be for you to want to cover the taste?

freiheit

21:42

@voretaq7 Like if you don't like lamb at all? I dunno. It's kinda vaguely nasty, but it seems like the only way my grandmother will eat lamb...

WesleyDavid

Oh wow, I blocked ICMP. Someone want to beat me?

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid go home

Dennis Kaarsemaker

you're drunk

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas I ficked ith ash swoon us ah foun iht... hic

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid kick

WesleyDavid

21:44

I fixed it! See? Look! ping ping ping Ricochet Rabbit!

Iain

@freiheit I think here the mint sauce (mint+vinegar)was used for that and cutting through the fat

Aaron

excellent, this showed up today

BRING IT, PEPCO

Dan

@MilesErickson Hi miles, awesome. Do you have a link?

@Aaron Generator? I've got one but mine doesn't have wheels :(

Aaron

@Dan ship weight 200 lbs, it better have wheels

WesleyDavid

Okay, so story time!

I bought an SMTP / Email / Anti-spam appliance that shall remain nameless for the time being.

Not a bad product, and fits a niche that no one else does.

I'm setting it up, basic stuff, yadda yadda. I go to set the time zone.

Dan

21:54

@Aaron Jesus, no kidding - mine is probably less than 100

WesleyDavid

They have the standard time zones, even things like -3.5 Newfoundland, etc.

Dan

What's the output?

WesleyDavid

There is no -7 Arizona time zone though!

So I set it on -8 Pacific time and then write an email to support.

Dan

@WesleyDavid The presumption is that Arizona has no electricity

Aaron

7000W, a 30A@240V feed, then 4 120V feeds

WesleyDavid

21:54

I explain to them that -8 Pacific will only be accurate for six months out of the year and all the log files will be skewed one hour.

So, ready for this?

Aaron

I'll probably rig up the 120 feeds for the 2 fridges + freezer

WesleyDavid

Support writes back: "Mountain Standard time is an option and it is -7 offset. Would that work for you?"

Wh... what? I...

Dan

@Aaron nice

WesleyDavid

<_<

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid This is why we do evaluations prior to purchase.

WesleyDavid

21:55

Time Zones are HARRRRDD!

Dan

@WesleyDavid As someone who lives in the country that actually invented time, can I ask why it wouldn't? Different DST?

WesleyDavid

@Dan We don't observe daylight savings. Never change clocks at all.

Something about railroads.

Dan

@WesleyDavid So why won't MST work, because they do?

WesleyDavid

@Dan Yes.

Dan

Gotchya

WesleyDavid

21:57

So half the time I'm on the same time as LA, and the other half I'm on the same time as Denver.

Dan

Sorry, we don't have to worry about such things. Not many products don't do GMT ;)

WesleyDavid

Currently while every other heathen is on daylight savings time, I'm in Pacific time. Then, in November, when the heathens undo daylight savings, I'm on Denver time until May.

Dan

Twice a year we have a debate on DST, but nothing ever changes

Joel E Salas

DST is stupid

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Time zones are NOT hard. You store everything in UTC and load tzinfo to correct to local.

Zypher

21:59

@WesleyDavid set everything to UTC ... done

Iain

@WesleyDavid stick with UTC

voretaq7

@JoelESalas Congress is stupid. Match made in heaven.

WesleyDavid

I'm turning into one of those customers, constantly noticing little inconsistencies in the product and saying "Hey... lookie here! Suckroaches!"

Iain

@Zypher snap !

WesleyDavid

Yes, UTC is nice. All hail UTC. mumble mumble imperialists

freiheit

22:00

@WesleyDavid At least you have a consistent offset from Hawaiian time

voretaq7

@Zypher that only works if your applications don't suck and assume everything is local time (mumble*fuckingdevelopers*grumble)

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Something about the palm trees.

freiheit

@voretaq7 Tell that to fucking syslog. :)

Zypher

@voretaq7 oh you poor man

voretaq7

Our servers are EST5EDT right now because we have some grotty code that doesn't understand UTC

which means once a year I have two 2 AMs.

or 3 AMs

Zypher

22:01

the obvious answer is to stop using BSD

voretaq7

or whenever the fuck the clock changes

@Zypher Don't blame the OS for the shit software running under it.

That's like blaming Windows for Exchange. It's not the OS team's fault the Exchange team can't write a decent MTA :-P

Zypher

but that's so much more fun

Iain

@Zypher sacrilege

freiheit

@voretaq7 I think it does go 1:59:59,3:00:00 for one change, and 2:59:59,2:00:00 for the other.

voretaq7

@Zypher I could migrate the whole environment to Red Hat and then blame Linux for the sucky bits of code we have in production

Zypher

22:02

you could

freiheit

@voretaq7 Who do I get to blame for forefront (which is the worst part of our exchange environment)

voretaq7

@freiheit I think so too (but I'm not looking at the tz file to find out)

I don't care about skipping an hour, it's the double-hour that I dislike.

@freiheit idunno, I don't have any Windows servers :P

@Zypher That's almost worth the amount of suck I'd have to put up with in a Linux server environment.

Zypher

hahaha

voretaq7

but I'll settle for badmouthing Ubuntu on the field units instead.

one pile of suck is better than two :)

Zypher

uhg ubuntu

voretaq7

22:04

@Zypher srsly

but running BSD on the field units would be an exercise in masochism. Ubuntu hurts a little less.

(and Windows was never considered as an option)

Zypher

@voretaq7 you should TOTALLY be running windows CE5 on those

voretaq7

@Zypher I WinCE'd once. It was TERRIBLE.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 WinCE puts the wince in wince.

Zypher

@voretaq7 so you had an above average experience with it

voretaq7

@Zypher actually.... yes

(ipaq)

Zypher

22:07

oh those where fun little devices

voretaq7

it was awesome for its day

Zypher

we had one at the school i worked at with the barcode scanner module

voretaq7

WiFi, transreflective screen, IR data port...

mine even had a PCMCIA slot

@Zypher I didn't have that

Zypher

yep we had one of those too ... IT Hazing: try to get wifi card to work with iPAQ (wfi card given to new interns was known unsupported)

voretaq7

I eventually installed NetBSD on it and used it with that for about 2 more years before I got my blackberry.

Zypher

22:09

@voretaq7 it was for "inventory" but ... we really just ran around scanning random crap

voretaq7

@Zypher ....that would be why I switched to NetBSD on mine - to get better support for WiFi PCMCIA cards :)

Zypher

we also had about 50 of these laying around for no good reason

CueCat

The CueCat is a cat-shaped handheld barcode reader that was released in 1999 by the now defunct Digital Convergence Corporation. The CueCat enabled a user to open a link to an Internet URL by scanning a barcode — called a "cue" by Digital Convergence — appearing in an article or catalog or on some other printed matter. In this way, a user could be directed to a web page containing related information without having to enter a URL. The company asserted that the ability of the device to direct users to a specific URL, rather than a domain name, was valuable. In addition, TV broadcasters co...

voretaq7

I used mine for wardriving :P

Matt Bear

@Zypher I had one

voretaq7

@Zypher Oh the radio shack serial laser dildo!

I remember those!

Matt Bear

22:10

free from radio shack lol

voretaq7

those were actually pretty awesome little scanners considering they were FREE :)

Zypher

oh yea

voretaq7

@MattBear I had like... 5

(we have LOTS of radio shacks around here)

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 never could find a use for one

voretaq7

@MattBear ...scanning bar codes

(never out of the radio shack catalog)

Matt Bear

22:11

@voretaq7 why...

WesleyDavid

@MattBear What part of "laser dildo" was hard to understand?

voretaq7

@MattBear I used one in my AP CS class senior project (we implemented a cash register in C++. I finished the project requirements in a day, and then spent the rest of the month teaching it to talk to the serial port so it could scan bar codes).

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 ok, THATS usefull

voretaq7

@MattBear It was a "we cooked our shoes in the dryer and ate them - now we're BORED!" moment

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 lol

voretaq7

22:14

like the snarktastic soda machine program I wrote the year before - if you tried to do something you shouldn't - like say hit the "coin return" button without putting any money in - it would perform some random destructive act on the user (soda can to the crotch, sprayed in the face with sprite, etc.)

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Remember my earlier comments about riding in hot weather?

voretaq7

The "Push vend button with no money" LCD message was "Pay up first, deadbeat."
The "Insufficient Credit" message was "Can you count to 75?"

WesleyDavid

@freiheit And laser dildos totally reminded you of that?

freiheit

WesleyDavid

freiheit

22:15

@WesleyDavid But that's a dry 110, right?

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Yes. A lot more manageable than the crap they have to deal with in the South.

98F in Atlanta is murder.

Murder!

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Ours is a muggy 96...

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Well ew.

freiheit

perfect bike riding weather!

voretaq7

MURDER

WesleyDavid

22:17

8% humidity

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Vacuum.

WesleyDavid

BLUE MURDER

freiheit

I think it said 36% humidity here...

Matt Bear

Miles Erickson

@dan liluushka.com

@dan e.g. liluushka.com/… (this is a beach scene that I like)

@dan As mentioned before, she's quite versatile in terms of styles, but what I like about her paintings is that they really carry an emotional message. She's definitely not just mechanically painting from a picture like some people do.

Tanner

22:25

@WesleyDavid How often do you get woken up in the night because shit broke? This guy on /r/rsysadmin is getting badgered for having to wake up once a week for his hosting business; made me curious.

WesleyDavid

@Tanner Not often at all, but I don't really have a wildly successful hosting business. Just a couple of clients and people doing some odd things here and there. Hosting isn't easy, that's for sure. Keeping shared systems running smooth is neither simple nor cheap.

So unless the guy has a trust fund to get things started with or is currently at Master Wizard levels of automation and system integration, yeah, he's going to be up a few times a week probably if he has several dozen customers or more.

Can you linky me?

Tanner

reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1h9cdr/…

WesleyDavid

I've got a half cabinet with about a dozen servers / appliances in it. Most are my own playground things, but I've got a few dedicated servers, and one shared server that I'm migrating about a dozen sites from a Media Temple VPS to.

I haven't read thorough, but my initial impression is the people saying he's doing it wrong are just armchair sysadmins who think they're hot shit. Everyone's an expert.

Tanner

@WesleyDavid Kind of what I figured. I can't imagine being woken up once a week for running my own business would be out of line.

ewwhite

HATE SONICWALL!!

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Tanner

22:31

Hell, my kid, wife, dog, and cat each wake me up more often than that. (okay maybe not the cat, she's pretty quite. and the dog only barks at people looking to steal shit at 3am so good on her)

ewwhite

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Wow. That's just, wow.

ewwhite

I mean, how can you make any sense of this?

WesleyDavid

@Tanner I'd like to know how many clients he has. Also what SLA he's got with them. I mean, if he's using a VPS control panel like Solus, his clients should be able to reboot their own kernel panics. Yes, the goal is complete hands off, and automation, and client-self-support, but that takes a lot of time and money to get there unless you've been down that road many times before with other hosting jobs and already know the routine very thoroughly.

Falcon Momot

@ewwhite I like the implication of the second-last rule in that

Miles Erickson

22:33

@ewwhite Lots of pointless clicking.

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Makes sense to me, but I've been using SonicWall for a long time.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid The problem isn't that you can't configure it to do what you want, most of the time. The problem is that the configuration is inscrutable.

In this case, it doesn't help that someone named service groups after services instead of by function.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson ...I hear people say the same about JunOS or the Cisco IOS. It's just a matter of familiarity.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid No, it's different. I can log into any Cisco device and look at the running-config and it will make sense. I can't look at ONE thing on a Sonicwall and have it make sense.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson And yes, the naming conventions that people choose can royally screw things up from an aesthetic perspective..

Wee! I can spell!

Miles Erickson

22:36

@WesleyDavid Not just an aesthetic perspective, but a semantic perspective.

ewwhite

The Cisco approach...

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson I think the only part about SonicWall that is inherently different and can cause trouble is the service grouping and naming. Can't quite do that on Cisco devices.

ewwhite

@MilesErickson Luckily, I'm replacing this Sonicwall device with a Cisco ASA right now.

The Sonicwall keeps crashing and requires reboots often

WTF?

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite That's not normal.

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid It's extremely normal. I see it everywhere I've encountered Sonicwall

WesleyDavid

22:40

@ewwhite Not my experience.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Sonicwalls in high-traffic environments can be.... mysterious.

ewwhite

I have ~10 Produce sites on Sonicwall. It's always some consultant who recommends them.

and I get VPN drop-outs, reboots needed... logging and resource issues...

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Particularly if you have a lot of branch office VPN connections.

ewwhite

so yes, I'm replacing a $2k+ Sonicwall with a $500 Cisco ASA 5505 today, and I'm not ashamed.

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Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid And don't even think of setting up an IPsec VPN to another manufacturer's device.

@WesleyDavid It will work, probably, but it won't keep working on Saturday when you're out climbing or whatever.

ewwhite

22:42

@MilesErickson I do have Cisco -> Sonicwall tunnels going... they're not reliable. Usually they go down around the same time the Sonicwall needs a reboot.

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Yup.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson shrug My experiences must be out of the norm. My own little bubble of kittens and rainbows!

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Or small offices.

@WesleyDavid They don't misbehave often if all you're trying to do is provide a glorified Linksys router with some additional security features.

ewwhite

NAT policies...

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite One consultant after the other, huh?

WesleyDavid

22:45

The SonicWall implementations I've got familiarity with are usually GMS managed, and do have multiple point to point VPNs with remote offices. So MSP style head nodes with dozens of VPN links out to remote offices. Couple hundred Mbps of sustained traffic through the whole system - which isn't exactly groundbreaking or intense, sure. Seems to be solid on the whole.

freiheit

#BREAKING AP: US appeals court in Calif. lifts hold on same-sex marriages, saying they can start immediately

Tweeted by KTVU on June 28, 2013 at 10:40 PM

ewwhite

@MilesErickson is that totally obvious?

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid You, me, San Francisco, whatcha think?

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson I'm there already.

Cole

Yay gay marriage

Miles Erickson

22:48

@ewwhite Well, you don't get the sense that there's a single point of sanity.

freiheit

SF City Hall is wasting no time. First gay marriage in about half an hour. I think most of the rest of the state might have to wait until Monday...

First same sex marriage in about 30 minutes @SFCityHall. http://t.co/74QE0ZCCUa

Tweeted by ctylerabc7 on June 28, 2013 at 10:43 PM

ewwhite

@MilesErickson truth

WesleyDavid

One guy I know here in town works for an... err... adult media company. Uses NSA appliance for traffic management, etc. Several hundred Mbps sustained... no issues. I'm no brand apologist for SonicWall, but I'm hearing things that don't match with my experience. I personally prefer what I know of Juniper to everything else, but can't yet brush SonicWall off the table based on my observations.

Although, Dell's acquisition of the brand makes me not want to use them any more that's for sure.

They've dicked over their channel partners big time.

Cole

We use SonicWalls at most of our remote offices.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Of course an adult media company would use an NSA appliance.

WesleyDavid

22:55

@MilesErickson MORE PRAWNS!

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid SonicWalls work great for most small-biz applications, most of the time. The company has great technical support when you need it, which in my experience is more often than with other products. Sonicwall-to-Sonicwall VPNs are quite solid, whereas Sonicwall-to-<anyothervendor> VPNs are not. NetExtender is a piece of crap.

@WesleyDavid Also, did I mention that NetExtender is a piece of... oh, yep, looks like I did.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson Never used it. Looks like that's a good thing.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid So far as I know, there is no efficient way to audit the configuration of a Sonicwall. It takes lots of clicking.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson What would be the tipping point to move outside of the small business real? A certain type of advanced network application? Raw throughput? Concurrent sessions of some kind?

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid You reach the tipping point when you hire a guru like @ewwhite.

WesleyDavid

22:58

@MilesErickson Have you used GMS? That's pretty nice.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Is that the one that uses an MSSQL backend but won't let you configure the database on your existing SQL server?

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson No, GMS Support MS SQL Server. So does SonicWall ViewPoint. Dunno what would restrict you like that.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Gotcha. I'm probably not fully indoctrinated.

@WesleyDavid (Nor do I want to be.)

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson ;)

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Anyway, I'm sure I'll learn a lot about SonicWall during our decades of marital bliss.

WesleyDavid

23:03

@MilesErickson I'm moving to Vyatta and software defined networking. puts on hipster scarf

Put the network in my butt!

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Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Oh yeah? When I need an Ethernet cable, I just fire up my Makerbot...

[disclaimer: I do not own a 3-D printer.]

84104

@WesleyDavid This evening on @WesleyDavid says the gayest things...

ewwhite

There's no excuse not to use a $500 Cisco ASA

WesleyDavid

Well Friday has been a complete waste of waking hours.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid ^aki^anki

ewwhite

23:12

so even my lowest of the low produce sites have a Cisco firewall

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson I know right? I'm not 6'2 and don't have a PhD. No one is going to buy all of this stuff.

WesleyDavid

23:25

Awww, looks like it won't hit the forecasted 115F today.

Parking lot temp on the car says 123F though.

A'ight, heading out. Toodles, sweethearts.

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