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12:00 AM
@RyanRies When I grow our team big enough to support another senior guy, I'll hire you :)
 
@MDMarra I'll even talk about FSMOs and security groups just so you know I'm not lying ;)
 
@MDMarra If I have UCS + NetApp via FC
 
I'm really confused. First, I couldn't even ping anything on the VPN, then it worked. Then I get a "NXDOMAIN" response from the DNS with a local request. Then "SRVFAIL" now.
 
Security groups are a pretty rough concept!
 
do I want to use FC or NFS for VMware datastores
 
12:02 AM
@JoelESalas FC will perform better and give you more features, NFS is easier
 
@JoelESalas Opinions run both ways. I like FC for it.
 
@JoelESalas My gut says FC
 
Thanks guys, doing FC
Also who got the idea that FC is hard? It's really easy
 
@ShaneMadden Wait, are those the ones I send email to?
 
unless, of course, you have 10GbE for NFS and 4Gb FEX for FC or something silly
You don't get VMFS with NFS so you're limited with some advanced features
 
12:03 AM
@RyanRies They can be, if your predecessor was too lazy to make distribution groups and instead mail-enabled a whole crapload of security groups!
 
I don't think NFS adds any value, we have a "Flexpod" bullshit so it's all 10gig
 
yeah
FCoE?
or straight FC
 
@MDMarra Yessir
 
oh man, living the dream over there!
 
That's funny...I just now realized Kerio supports mail-enabling security groups
Just can't see it unless I'm managing AD from the DC itself
 
12:08 AM
I have this file called "Wesley David.png" in my Skydrive folder, and it makes me feel a little weird every time a file dialog box opens up and I see it, but it's actually just a screenshot of my VoIP phone the last time I talked to him because it displayed his phone number, so I wouldn't forget his number. :P
 
@RyanRies Did you consider adding a contact to your outlook/google apps/etc?
 
@MarkHenderson La dee da! Look at mister fancy over here!
 
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pfft, the firewall was dropping my web sessions.
kicks IE
 
@MDMarra Got a blank check!!
 
12:20 AM
Wow, IE keeps locking up on the config page of sonicwall...
 
Typical
 
@ewwhite so i see
 
Heh, I restarted it and had enough time to enable management over the VPN
 
which ... one ... to ... blame
 
bling bling
 
12:25 AM
now i can actually manage the firewall without having to VPN into one of the servers and launching a browser...
well, RDP ...over VPN. Yeah.
 
@ewwhite Let's build them a private cloud
 
@MDMarra Private butt? That costs extra.
 
anyone a spanning-tree guru?
 
no :(
@RyanRies did you see the auto-guest activation in 2012 R2 DC?
 
yeah, me either. I took on this project without realizing how problematic it was going to be
 
12:27 AM
Whaaaa? No?
 
@wfaulk How many vlans do you have?
 
So, here's an interesting little problem. I'm limited to 9 LPT ports on a given server, and I need ~20 ports total (remapping network share to an LPT port). What do? :(
 
@ShaneMadden 30-ish
 
@RyanRies if you have an activated 2012 DC hyper-v host, all compatible (8.1 VDI and 2012 R2) guests are automatically activated
 
@NathanC L... LTP... LTP ports? Those are like those big 32-pin printer ports right?
@MDMarra That sounds.... good?
 
12:28 AM
@wfaulk MST can interoperate with PVST if you have have that many MST topologies
 
@RyanRies Yes. We have a bunch of SATO printers for receipt printers that are parallel connected.
 
@RyanRies ya. If you're doing VDI with thin clients or just RDS with thin clients, and everything in on HV, you dont need to ever touch a product key again
 
@ShaneMadden I don't think I understand. What does the number of VLANs have to do with anything?
 
@MDMarra Bad ass... I've always wanted to do a VDI deployment but have yet had a need to
 
Same
I dont really get the benefit over RDS, except for more granular separation of resources.
 
12:30 AM
and, really, there only need to be 1-2 topologies
 
Unfortunately the software we use in the company apparently requires an LPT port ...and I'm trying to replace our old PCs in the factory with thin clients (raspberry Pis in particular). I can print just fine, but I don't have enough LPT ports to go around :/
 
interconnects on my switches will just be passing every vlan
 
brb, food
 
though I suppose I could have multiple topologies to more effectively use the multiple interconnects
 
@wfaulk If they're running PVST, they've got one spanning tree topology per-vlan. Your switches are compatible assuming they support MST, but you'll need to actually configure one instance of MST per vlan.
So the question really is whether your switches can run that many MST instances -- if they can, they can effectively interoperate with the PVST.
 
12:35 AM
@MDMarra THey just need RDS, file servers and Exchange...
plus networking and cabling...
I quoted a ballpark $60k to fix most of this
 
swwwweeeettt, got some time off in july
 
@ShaneMadden ah, but there's only one vlan that they're passing me
any reason I couldn't have that one vlan in one ist and all of the rest of my vlans in another?
 
@ewwhite Did they...did they flinch at the price? :P
 
@wfaulk Oh! Yeah then MST can absolutely handle that.
 
@NathanC no.
whatever it takes
 
12:38 AM
Damn.
 
@ShaneMadden okay, that's kinda what I was thinking
 
It's sad, but 60k would pay off all my debt lol. Some day I'll be able to nail contracts like that.
 
any way I can get you to expand on that in an answer a little?
 
@wfaulk Sure! I don't know the HPs as well so I can't be horribly specific on how the config will look but I can do the overview.
 
@MDMarra Are you game?
 
12:41 AM
@ewwhite And I thought our server room was bad.
 
@ShaneMadden that's cool. I'm not looking for a step-by-step guide, just a confirmation from someone with a better understanding of the interop how it should work
 
But I tried... really.
 
I suppose I could set it up in a PacketTracer environment and pretend that some of the switches are HPs
 
12:43 AM
@ewwhite I don't think UNITs 1 thru 4 have enough buttons
 
That's funny. Looking at jobs on DICE and I found one where they're hiring for a "client" ...one who also happens to have a job app out with the same wording.
 
@wfaulk y u say?
 
you think 22 buttons is enough?
 
@ewwhite Where??
 
Moar batteries!
 
12:46 AM
@JoelESalas Where I'm sitting right now.
 
@ewwhite Oh geez
 
In Santa Fe Springs.
 
@ewwhite Straight hood yo
 
@JoelESalas @MDMarra and I were going to use your services here.
 
@ewwhite I'd love to
 
12:47 AM
@JoelESalas although, you stood me up for lunch...
 
@ewwhite Text! I only come into this room to fuck around
 
@ewwhite that looks a hell of a lot like mine lol
 
Ugh, my resume looks like blegh
You'd think an online resume (or say, a website page?!) would be nice too in the realm of IT jobs
 
I find that some places like a LinkedIn profile
 
@wfaulk Every place in the last few years has looked at my linkedin
 
12:54 AM
@ewwhite DL360 G4 and G5, we still have a couple of those. Who's the beastman that stuck the APC 13U up?
 
@jscott SOme jackass.
 
@ewwhite Are those Unit 1-4s racked diagonally?
 
Dude must have some serious quads to hulk that up.
 
@JoelESalas naw, on a shelf
 
I have a linkedin and have been trying to keep it updated
the old school resumes are ugh
I never know how to format them...
 
1:03 AM
@ewwhite ya
60k seems low though
 
Upgrading may be the wrong word. I'm talking more like Windows to Linux (for servers I find this is a upgrade) or from one database type to a more efficient one (thinking Oracle to Microsoft but not sure if they'd play along). — Griffin 49 mins ago
......
Okay, that's enough SF for tonight.
 
Heh.
 
@MDMarra Storage, vSphere... Windows... 80 users.
 
oh only 80?
 
yeah, real office users...
another 300 warehouse guys
 
1:05 AM
I want to do failover clustering for connection brokers, because fuck it, why not?
 
@ewwhite As opposed to StarOffice users?
 
@MDMarra um, then that's on YOUR dime.
 
This place will be my masterpiece
 
@ScottPack as opposed to people on forklifts.
 
The guy wants to know how to "upgrade" platforms on a live application. I don't even know of a situation where'd you do that.
 
1:07 AM
Then you can handle cabling.
25 mins ago, by ewwhite
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@ewwhite It's how you make the connection brokers highly available though! Why have multiple RDS servers if your single connection broker can take everything down if it fails?
 
@ewwhite That's rather insensitive, Ed. Forklift drivers aren't necessarily illiterate.
 
@ScottPack No, but they use telnet.
 
@ewwhite That's pretty messy.
 
@ewwhite That's a paddlin'
 
1:07 AM
@MDMarra it'll be on a vSphere HA cluster.
 
And if a patch bombs the OS?
 
@ewwhite I got guys on staff that use telnet all the time. I can't get them to use netcat for connection testing.
 
or someone turns it into a print server??!?!?!
 
Don't let that happen. Windows updates never break things.
5
 
Because you dont install them!!!!!!!111one!!!!
Should we do an internal PKI for Exchange and RDS?
 
1:09 AM
Oh facebook, you silly.
 
@MDMarra if you know how
why for Exchange?
 
So you dont need to buy certs for it?
 
@MDMarra I need the digicert for the public side anyway
 
@ShaneMadden you rock. thanks, man. (I did ask a follow-up, though.)
 
Why do you need a public side if everyone can just RDS to a term server for mail!
 
1:10 AM
Pro tip: using a cert from your internal CA for an intranet site sucks when your users are mostly on firefox.
 
@MDMarra That's your first mistake!
 
@MDMarra iPhone, Outlook Anywhere, Outlook Mac, Apple Mail.
 
There's no such thing as a masterpiece
 
Because firefox is too good for the windows certificate store.
 
@ShaneMadden ya, gross
Mozilla also sometimes accidentally releases versions without crucial root certs and then releases a dot update the next day
 
1:11 AM
@ShaneMadden and the MacOS Keychain
 
@ewwhite psh
 
@MDMarra They accidentally the entire root CAs
 
Time to go get Korean BBQ!
@JoelESalas you know what's up
 
@ewwhite woo going to a restaurant and having to cook the meat yourself
 
1:14 AM
@ewwhite Thank you sir
 
Oh? You're supposed to cook it?!
 
@jscott KBBQ tartare
 
I thought it was sashimi style
 
@JoelESalas I'll be in ANaheim tomorrow...
but next time...
 
Kitfo (, ), sometimes spelled ketfo, is a traditional dish found in Ethiopian cuisine. Overview Kitfo consists of minced raw beef, marinated in mitmita (a chili powder based spice blend) and niter kibbeh (a clarified butter infused with herbs and spices). The word comes from the Ethio-Semitic root k-t-f, meaning "to chop finely; mince." Kitfo cooked lightly rare is known as kitfo leb leb. Kitfo is often served alongside—sometimes mixed with—a mild cheese called ayibe or cooked greens known as gomen. In many parts of Ethiopia, kitfo is served with injera, a flatbread made fr...
One of my favorite dishes
 
1:15 AM
indeed... we have a lot of ethiopian in Chicagoland...
much
 
@JoelESalas Must. Try. This.
I live in Southern Canadia Upstate NY, so I was surprised to find we even have an Ethiopian restaurant left in business. Guess I know what I'm doing this weekend. medaethiopianrestaurant.com
 
@jscott Hell yeah
 
I think I had some kitfo once in college. I seem to recall really liking the Ethiopian dishes the kids made for us.
 
@ewwhite Little Ethiopia! Meals By Genet
So I updated to vCenter 5.1
I don't understand the tears
 
@JoelESalas You must have had a smooth transition
My 5.1 upgrade made me want to call a government department and attempt to apply for a tax benefit, just to escape the pain
 
1:24 AM
@MarkHenderson Ours is a self-contained little instance, no external DB, all services on one server
@MarkHenderson lol'd
 
@JoelESalas So was ours :(
 
@MarkHenderson whaaaaa
 
We had so many problems with the SSO upgrade
This install started as a 3.5 install and has been progressively upgraded over the years, and somewhere along the line an "express" upgrade to SSO happened, and 5.1 explicitly cannot upgrade an "Express" SSO install
"Known issue; no resolution"
 
@MarkHenderson link??
 
SSO is the biggest piece of shit too
 
1:25 AM
@MarkHenderson!
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, seems like added complexity for no benefit
 
Perhaps the cat video I posted is really you!
3 hours ago, by voretaq7
 
@JoelESalas Can't find it right now
 
@MarkHenderson All my shit's back up! HA's auto-reconfiguring
i'm back in business
elapsed time: 1:30
 
@JoelESalas Lucky you
 
1:29 AM
I had SSO multi-site explode on one of the (manual) database replications.
 
@ShaneMadden Our VMware install is small and neutral. Everything else is KVM/Xen
 
@ShaneMadden Yeah fucking manual replications
"Delete the destination database and copy the source"
 
The first server's SSO wouldn't import the database dump from the second. Just sat there, never returned. Subsequent import or export attempts, sat there, never returned.
Had to start over from scratch.
 
Sounds about right for SSO
I hate it with so much passion, especially as the only thing I ever do with it is set up an AD source and add a single AD group
 
And the replication format! It's stored in an MSSQL database. What data format for replication?
Ah yes, serialized java objects.
SQL dump was too easy, I guess.
 
1:50 AM
Windows? SSO you say? must be Federation services
 
@JoelESalas You don't know.
SSO
 
@ewwhite The two most important words in DevOps are "good enough"
@ewwhite Why would I want multiple vSwitches?
 
@Olipro AD has Kerberos baked in too
 
@MDMarra Why would I want multiple vSwitches?
 
@JoelESalas Why would you want multiple physical switches?
 
1:55 AM
@MDMarra Ok thank you
 
welcome
 
sure, it's got LDAP too
y'know if kerberos tickets don't do it for you
 
@JoelESalas really though, for things like dedicating different physical uplinks to different functions like management, iscsi, vMotion, VM traffic
 
@MDMarra Yep, you're right. Just trying to reverse-engineer this vCenter install
 
I'd want multiple physical switches because I can only have a finite number of ports on a physical switch
 
1:58 AM
same with vswitches
 
they only go up to 48?
 
though, good luck getting to that density :)
 
:\
 
I think 96? But I might have just made that up
It could be substantially higher
either way, practically no one hits that actual limitation
 
@MDMarra So why would I want the same vSwitch on each host vs a dvSwitch
 
1:59 AM
you probably don't want iscsi or nfs relying on a dvswitch
 
@MDMarra Suppose it's a VM network?
 
no reason
 

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