The Comms Room

voretaq7

19:00

@MichaelHampton I've only ever seen BSD MAC configured once. It was fail-closed. If there wasn't a definition for what you wanted to do it wasn't allowed.

your answer says if there's no policy module the app runs "unconfined" (the exact opposite behavior)

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 SELinux does the same thing. But the targeted reference policy explicitly unconfines users. The strict policy fails closed in the way you're describing.

dawud

There are some very interesting use cases for MLS in the new namespaces provided by systemd (nspawn)

voretaq7

kinda busts the security model

TheCleaner

picky picky

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Q: What type of caching is involved in the displayed usernames of file owners/security on member servers

One of our domains has two Windows 2008 r2 servers: a domain controller which also holds all the FSMO roles and member server. If I rename a domain user, then use Windows explorer to look at a file located on the DC to which the renamed user has rights, I see the new username right away. If I l...

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner Calling @MDMarra! Calling @RyanRies! Who wants to open up a can on this guy?

MDMarra

19:01

yo

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 It's kind of meant to be an SELinux "easy mode". If you confine everything then you have to do a lot more work to give users access to whatever they actually need to get done.

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Got your can opener? =) Seems like a really silly, inane question that guy has.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton <rageface> THERE IS NO GODDAMN FUCKING EASY MODE FOR SECURITY </rageface>

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 You don't have to tell me that!

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Markdown is secure because it doesn't work!

voretaq7

19:02

@WesleyDavid Markdown is bad for security because the parser has bugs :P

WesleyDavid

Just *try to hack my leet markdowns!

Scott Pack

You kidding? There is too an easy mode for security. It involves the conduit that contains the fiber coming into the DC and a backhoe.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton no but apparently the rest of the Linux/SELinux world still doesn't get it

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 false statement! security easy mode is remove every cable from the server!

MDMarra

Why do you want this behavior changed? Access is granted based on the SID, which does not change during an account rename. Showing the name instead of the SID is just a convenience to the admin of the server. It shouldn't actually cause any problem. — MDMarra 20 secs ago

voretaq7

19:03

@ScottPack according to the army it involves 3-minute-epoxy and all the ports on the machine :-)

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra applause

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Yeah, not confining logged-in users is a potential risk. But it's generally acceptable on systems where the only users you expect to log in are the sysadmins.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Mine is faster.

TheCleaner

@MDMarra that works...I honestly don't know what mechanism is causing the "caching" he speaks of. I figured a sid to name lookup happened every single time...hence the slowass response if you are stupid and put 15 individual NTFS permissions on a network share.

dawud

All I give to my coworkers is an rbash and a bunch of sudo rules

voretaq7

19:05

<reads from Darwin's commentary on Fiber Cables>

Over the course of their history fiber cables have evolved several new defenses in an attempt to ward off their only natural predator (the backhoe). Fiber cables born today have a tough outer shell of plastic, or in some cases metal, to attempt to deflect the teeth of their voracious predator.
To date these adaptations have not proven wholly effective, though the infant mortality rate among fiber cables has dropped as the adaptation spreads through the population.

MDMarra

@TheCleaner It's cached but only for a short time, but I don't know what mechanism does it or how it works

voretaq7

@dawud All I give my co-workers is a dirty look...

@MichaelHampton ...and this is how Snowden got access to classified data.

(My government: the poster child for Doing Security Wrong.)

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Quite possibly. he was one of the sysadmins, after all...

voretaq7

Seriously, it would be less embarrassing if the US government hadn't funded large parts of the SELinux and Trusted BSD project so unix could HAVE mandatory access control.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Any time you have misuse of authorization you're going to have problems like that.

TheCleaner

19:07

ready to nuke this thing from orbit. Win7 on Parallels, appcrash anytime you try to install/uninstall a program, can't download files online from any browser that is installed, but can browse online. sfc /scannow says crap is corrupt but can't fix it...grrrrrr....

voretaq7

@ScottPack but if you have MAC you can PREVENT misuse of authorization

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 If someone is authorized to access material then they're authorized to access material. The solution is only to give someone access to material if they actually need it.

TheCleaner

@MDMarra - and @RyanRies shows his skills off...

Ryan Ries

It's a dumb thing to change, but I don't mind giving people the rope to hang themselves with.

voretaq7

@ScottPack two different levels of authorization - I'm talking about "The sysadmins can see shit they shouldn't be able to (by virtue of being the sysadmin)"

Michael Hampton

19:09

@voretaq7 And besides, it's effectively enterprise. When have you EVER seen an enterprise where everything was done the way it's supposed to be done?

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 That was the real problem. They weren't properly restricting data access.

voretaq7

the one you're talking about (legitimately authorized personnel doing Bad Things) can't be fixed except with a bullet

@ScottPack ...which pisses me off because they paid to develop the shit that lets them implement such restrictions. GRR

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 How do we know it wasn't a Windows network?

voretaq7

the problem here is the government pay scale sucks so badly they apparently don't have any competent people who know how to use the tools they paid to develop.

(and I'd love to fix that, except I'm not taking a 50% pay cut!)

@MichaelHampton There are MAC frameworks for Windows too

Ryan Ries

DsCrackNames is a cool name for an API function

Scott Pack

19:11

@RyanRies Sounds like that should be on a trampstamp.

voretaq7

@ScottPack sounds like it should be an attribute on user objects

"My DsCrackName is 'SugarMomma'" or some such :P

-4

A: New close reasons - Proposals (July 2013)

Pre-Filled Reason #2 Questions about software development are off-topic here, but can be asked on Stack Overflow.

Geez, you guys really don't like that "Belongs on SO" reason, huh? :-)

the "Belongs on Super User" one got love though

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 I upvoted it... I don't know what's wrong with everyone else.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton ... you're a hedgehog. no one cares what you do :P

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Michael Hampton

OK, then nobody will mind if I go ahead and ban everyone who owns a plane...

TheCleaner

So, I've messed around some in Ubuntu and CentOS and PCLinuxOS. But I suck at Linux. Anyone care to tell me which distro a Windows guy like me SHOULD get used to using? I don't mean which one is easiest...I mean which one would most likely be worth adding to a resume'

voretaq7

19:17

@MichaelHampton You know how many steps it takes to kick a mod? :P

we're sysadmins - we're laaaaaaaaazy

@MichaelHampton (also technically Mahopac National Bank owns the plane. Like Citibank owns my co-op :P)

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 More than one, so yeah, I'm lazy. Take advantage of it while I'm still feeling lazy...

@TheCleaner I'd start with Red Hat (CentOS). The docs are thorough, training and certs are available, etc.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton don't make me dequill you, blue one

@TheCleaner Grab a FreeBSD ISO and read/work through freebsd.org/doc/handbook :)

Michael Hampton

Run FreeBSD in a KVM virtual machine on your CentOS system :)

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton ... the stable OS goes on the bottom, not the top :-)

dawud

@TheCleaner RHEL and Debian

Michael Hampton

19:22

@voretaq7 Yeah, but FreeBSD has jack shit for good virtualization options.

voretaq7

@dawud @TheCleaner If you're seriously looking specifically at Linux (not general Unix) Red Hat.

(for no other reason than market share)

@MichaelHampton ...because it's not a hypervisor?

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Somebody should get to work on that.

voretaq7

(I object to the bhyve project personally)

@MichaelHampton no, they shouldn't.

Trying to be all things to all people is why Windows is a festering pile of shit.

Linux seems to be content to run down the same path, but I'd rather not see the BSDs do it

Michael Hampton

It's still all about world domination.

voretaq7

It's all about small tools doing well-defined things

the more crap you pile into the core OS the slower (and potentially less secure) it gets

Michael Hampton

19:27

@voretaq7 Isn't it always?

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Not when your OS tries to become a hypervisor AND an OS

the best available hypervisor (ESXi) jettisoned like 90% of its Unix/Linux heritage in order to become a really GOOD hypervisor

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 I"m not seeing a problem here. Unless you're referring to Hyper-V... Running a virtual machine as a Unix process seems fine to me.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Running a VM on an operating system designed to do other things seems wrong to me

Michael Hampton

That's what "general purpose" means.

voretaq7

kvm is grafting hypervisor capabilities onto a general purpose OS

bhyve is doing the same thing

the Right Solution for that problem is a system designed to be a hypervisor and nothing else - it can be very good at all the things a hypervisor needs to be good at, without worrying about the stuff a hypervisor shouldn't care about (sound cards & video drivers to name two)

<- not a fan of bloated software :-/

ewwhite

19:43

@voretaq7 I agree.

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Tell that to @JoelESalas

He was ready to auger VMware's eyeballs out last night.

TheCleaner

anyone know what happens if someone has dropbox and I do a rollback on that system to a previous date? Latest copy in Dropbox wins, right?

WesleyDavid

I was getting the kink rope dried out to help him tie VMware down.

dawud

@voretaq7 A minimal installation of almost any GNU/Linux system can give you pretty much that

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner Yeesh, that sounds scary.

ewwhite

19:44

@WesleyDavid VMware's hypervisor does its job well.

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner Don't worry, my butt takes care of everything!

@ewwhite VMware 3lame5me

ewwhite

I've have RHEL kernel bugs kill my KVM installations

voretaq7

@dawud Except it's not really designed to be a hypervisor -- it has baggage in the kernel for interactive performance, server performance, graphics, sound, etc.

Nathan C

Okay, so SELinux on permissive mode, I chmodded the entire folder to 777 ...and still I get

PHP Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '/var/www/html/includes/bootstrap.inc' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php') in /var/www/html/index.php on line 19

voretaq7

I can use OS X as a hypervisor, but it's the wrong tool

Nathan C

19:45

I feel like an apache noob right now

TheCleaner

@WesleyDavid - yeah...I'm concerned because it's the CEO's laptop. But he's running Parallels and the Win7 is completely screwed. TrustedInstaller is pissing on everything.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Linux is the savior. Just accept the hivemind's judgement. The Ministry of Truth will be here shortly.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Linux is approaching Windows' level of baggage. I'm kinda glad BSD lost the popularity war TBH

dawud

@NathanC you chmod-ed -R 777 ?!

Nathan C

for testing, yes

and it's still getting denied permission :[

voretaq7

19:46

@NathanC you're a terrible person :P

Nathan C

PHP Warning: require_once(/var/www/html/includes/bootstrap.inc): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/html/index.php on line 19

dawud

is /var mounted noexec?

or /var/www if it exists

Nathan C

no

it's all one partition

Olipro

sounds more like he simply doesn't have read permission

what are the perms on the file, who does PHP run as

dawud

off to summer fest. see you all.

Nathan C

19:48

hang on...*now* it's working

WesleyDavid

@dawud Don't take the brown acid.

@NathanC You rebooted didn't you

Nathan C

nope, I reapplied chown and chmod

TheCleaner

can't even use cli FTP...stupid machine

Nathan C

er...

dawud

@WesleyDavid ACK

TheCleaner

19:49

C:\Users\me>ftp ftp.microsoft.com
ftp> ls
Not connected.
ftp> user
Not connected.
ftp> open ftp.microsoft.com
ftp> ls
Not connected.
ftp>

Olipro

are you using xattrs?

Nathan C

if I use chmod -R 644 * on the /var/www folder it doesn't work

but if I use +x after it does

because i'm an idiot and 4 is read, not execute

>_>

Olipro

mmhmm

rx is 5

bitmasks, motherfucker, do you understand them?

Nathan C

apparently not

it's been too long i guess since I've touched the wonderful world of apache

but bouncing off here helped me conclude that I, indeed, don't know bitmasks :(

WesleyDavid

@NathanC chown -R root:root /* && chmod -R 4777 /*

DO IT! DO IT NOW!

TheCleaner

19:54

@WesleyDavid - I just ran system restore to a point last week...it's rebooting...fingers crossed

Nathan C

@WesleyDavid nuuu

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner I hope you have backup skills. How ar eyou at framing and carpentry?

TheCleaner

I suck at it...

Scott Pack

@WesleyDavid I've always heard @TheCleaner is really good with wood. Nice smooth even strokes.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner how about demolition? :-)

WesleyDavid

19:55

@ScottPack ...and piano wire.

TheCleaner

Now that I can do...the demolition part.

Scott Pack

@WesleyDavid How's this chloroform smell?

WesleyDavid

@ScottPack Like Friday night.

I'm rather annoyed that if you ignore someone, there's still that miniaturized icon in the room list.

That kinda defeats most of the purpose.

If you want to unblock someone, put that in your user profile area.

I should feature request that.

Anyone with me?

Scott Pack

I'd vote for that.

There are a couple of regulars in here that I ignore. It really throws off the active users display

Michael Hampton

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A: New close reasons - Proposals (July 2013)

For the worst of the cPanel questions... This question appears to be off-topic because it concerns the use of shared web hosting by end users or resellers, rather than the administration of web hosting.

WesleyDavid

20:02

Maybe ignore all chat that starts with an @ to an ignored user too.

Doesn't do me any good when people are @'ing someone that's ignored.

Scott Pack

@WesleyDavid Tell me about it. Stud.

WesleyDavid

@ScottPack LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!

Nathan C

@MichaelHampton I like, but it seems really localized to be a close topic. votes too localized

:p

Michael Hampton

Who the hell is Scott Pack?

@NathanC Perhaps. But these sorts of questions seem to be on the rise lately.

TheCleaner

@WesleyDavid - I'm a freaking hacker! hack the planet!

Michael Hampton

20:04

Oh dear GAWD.

serverfault.com/review/close/79498

Iain

@MichaelHampton 2009 wasn't a great year

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner Go assassinate someone. I hear there's a market for that.

TheCleaner

I mean I got it working with a system restore

voretaq7

18

A: Drunk test for cpanel or website?

On a serious note though: If you have precedent of admins login in to your CPanel (or other server management consoles) intoxicated/drunk, it might be wiser to look at this problem as a personnel/management issue instead of looking for a solution to a problem as trying to put a bandaid on a gapi...

TheCleaner

@MichaelHampton - I think Jenny and others are closing all cpanel questions.

voretaq7

20:06

You know what, your right, I have put up with this far too long. — James Simpson Jul 22 '09 at 18:58

Michael Hampton

@TheCleaner Yeah, I'm going through and shooting them in the head.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner well, not "all"

but certainly the bad ones

TheCleaner

Hey there might be a valid reason for a drunk test...

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton I'm actually going to historical lock that one

"Find me a plugin" isn't what we do, but the take away from that question is "Send your drunk admin to AA"

freiheit

@voretaq7 Remember: when drinking at work, don't use root!

WesleyDavid

20:09

@TheCleaner @FalconMomot is going postal on cPanel questions

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid as long as it's not "Close By Regex" /cc @FalconMomot :)

MDMarra

phew done with that domain migration plan with 38 minutes to spare

WesleyDavid

2

A: Drunk test for cpanel or website?

Display some lines of a randomly selected text and let the admin retype it from the screen before giving him the login screen. Measure the relative timing of the key strokes and plot them one against the other in an x-y diagram, namely points {..., (t(n+1), t(n)), (t(n), t(n-1)), ...} This gives ...

^ He thought about that a lot. Scares me.

Although, substance abuse and the hosting industry are closely tied.

Seriously, hosting sucks.

@MDMarra Is it a proposal? Think the client will spring for it?

MDMarra

It's the third week of a project that's been building towards it

Matt Bear

@WesleyDavid haha that whole thing is awesome

MDMarra

20:17

Week 1 I assessed their current environment. Week 2 was this week, which is install and config a new domain and make a migration plan, week three is next week where we do a test migration and knowledge transfer

Then, they take it and run with the migration themselves

TheCleaner

I want to see an admin get pissed, create a GPO that enables the messenger service on all domain computers, and then "net sends' a big tell off/tell all as he quits.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner been done I'm sure :)

WesleyDavid

@TheCleaner There was a story someone shared recently about a guy who would send net send messages to his wife that worked at the same company... until one day he told the entire domain that he wanted to take their underwear off with his teeth.

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TheCleaner

►

MDMarra

@WesleyDavid God, it's like a game of telephone around here!

WesleyDavid

20:21

@MDMarra Yeah... who said that?

I got it wrong didn't I. =)

Someone told that story!

Or... a series of someones over the course of my life and I've mixed them up.

MDMarra

They had just put a Win 2k domain in place and joined everything to the domain. He thought he could net send to just one person, but accidentally sent "Hey Baby, I looooove you" to everyone

And everyone means everyone across 9 cities in the USA

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra No, I like the underwear and teeth one better.

MDMarra

ok, we can go with it

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra And then there was this one time at bandcamp...

Matt Bear

Does anyone use DropBox?

MDMarra

20:23

ya

not in business though

Matt Bear

@MDMarra digitalquick.com

voretaq7

@MDMarra yeah, @WesleyDavid's version is more fun :)

Matt Bear

encrypts dropbox

im supposed to evaluate it

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid This one time - at band camp - I shoved a pussy up a flute. (they couldn't get the cat parts out of the blender - had to throw it away...)

WesleyDavid

@MattBear "It works! My butt is totally indecipherable after using this product."

MDMarra

20:24

@MattBear If you dont trust dropbox, dont use it

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra I don't trust the internet.

Lucas Kauffman

@MattBear I use dropbox

Scott Pack

@MattBear Symantec File Share (formerly PGP NetShare) also works fantastically with Dropbox so long as you edit the policy to exclude automagic decryption of files from Dropbox.exe

Matt Bear

@MDMarra I've never used it, just had this passed to me

WesleyDavid

It's only 1PM, I can't be done with this pot of coffee already. :'(

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Lucas Kauffman

20:25

@MattBear I just have a few small truecrypt containers on there for the stuff I don't like leaked out like a copy of my pasport

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid 1626

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 ...Cromwell beat his men with sticks?

Wait... is this fill-in-the-poetry?

I has confuse.

Cole

3 more minutes!

Matt Bear

lol no wonder!

was trying to figure out why my test server couldn't connect to my test database serer

the VM was powered off :p

WesleyDavid

^ Change your avatar.

DO IT.

MDMarra

20:29

Ya, @MattBear you've been around long enough to have a real avatar

Might as well be a shameful one

WesleyDavid

Yeah, even Womble eventually put a real Avatar up.

Miles Erickson

@Dan I talked to an artist friend of mine and she said she would love to do it. She says: "We can discuss what style he wants whether realism, impressionistic-realism, impressionistic-expressionistic like Van Gogh style, or he would let me be free to do what comes up. I can send him a photo of one of the paintings I did on commission that was from my imagination; a night beach scene with a few Maui landscapes combined into one." Drop me an e-mail ([email protected]) for her info.

Matt Bear

@WesleyDavid yes sir!

Lucas Kauffman

@WesleyDavid Does womble ever come into the chatroom ?

WesleyDavid

Now Massimo is the highest rated user with no real avatar.

@LucasKauffman Not anymore. He kinda left the community for the most part. I see him trudging through some questions in while.

Read his blog. It's good.

Ragey, but good.

Miles Erickson

20:30

@Dan (She has a pretty extensive gallery online as well.)

Matt Bear

changed it, its not propagating down... or do I have to set it seperate for chat?

WesleyDavid

@MattBear It takes a while.

freiheit

@WesleyDavid lilmisshotmess.com/2011/05/btwd

Matt Bear

@WesleyDavid ahh

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Sysadmin

WesleyDavid

20:33

@freiheit Uhmmm... can I click on that if I have people around me?

@freiheit Eh, what's the worst that could happen. Meanwhile, one sexual harassment lawsuit later...

freiheit

@WesleyDavid All the pics on that page have clothes covering everything. There aren't even any dirty words.

WesleyDavid

@freiheit First thing I thought "That is the tackiest drag queen I've ever seen. I'd totally rock that dress better."

Sheesh the wig.

Matt Bear

@freiheit is it just me or does that look like Stephen Colbert in a wig....

WesleyDavid

Drag queens have no taste these days.

Miles Erickson

@freiheit That's your blog? Nice bike, dude.

Aaron Copley

20:34

Any one here have an RHN account and can read view this document? Our guy with the login/password is gone for the weekend. access.redhat.com/site/solutions/171933

Michael Hampton

80-100 users? That's not that much. I could probably run a website for that on my phone... — Michael Hampton 6 secs ago

2

I think I've turned into TomTom...

5

freiheit

@MilesErickson I do NOT look anywhere near that good in a skirt

WesleyDavid

@jeffferland Where ya' been homie?

freiheit

@AaronCopley sure. just a sec.

Aaron Copley

Muchas gracias.

WesleyDavid

20:36

@freiheit Let's put it to the test.

Matt Bear

@freiheit and also... you're a bad man, and I hope bad things happen to you.... I really didn't want to see that.

Miles Erickson

@TheCleaner That's likely to happen when the wannabes of the neckbeard generation start turning 65.

freiheit

# grep -v -e ^# -e ^$ /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:01.1-scsi-1:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1", GROUP="", MODE="0600"

(it's kind of a long page, but that's the code of the "final solution")

Miles Erickson

@MattBear ^your^you're

Matt Bear

@MilesErickson who's a what now?

WesleyDavid

20:38

@MilesErickson Just say 'ur' - takes care of everything.

freiheit

@MattBear It's just a drag queen, man. Nothing that scary.

Olipro

I was thinking more along the lines of the bottom half of this image
http://4-akamai.tapcdn.com/images/thumbs/taps/2012/08/browser-wars-internet-explorer-eating-glue-e94336ba-sz460x871-animate.jpg

Aaron Copley

Any chance I could talk you into e-mailing? I think I need to see more context to figure out WTF I am tasked to do.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid ur-grue

Aaron Copley

Let me know if you grab that e-mail so I can edit.

WesleyDavid

20:38

@voretaq7 ur-uh-gway.

Uruguay

voretaq7

@AaronCopley too late. you're now signed up for transsexual rhombus porn.

WesleyDavid

Wow, just look at that fail.

@voretaq7 "Error: Username AaronCopley already exists."

freiheit

@AaronCopley grabbed

Matt Bear

@freiheit do you want to see a grossly every weight ugly man in a thong?

voretaq7

Here you go http://tweetphoto.com/7572214 RT @jephjacques: First person to send me transsexual rhombus porn gets a free bucket of vomit

Tweeted by jennifurret on December 30, 2009 at 5:07 AM

Miles Erickson

20:39

@MattBear Thanks. It's OK to cause permanent injury to the English language, but you must do so either cleverly or amusingly, lest we think less of you.

freiheit

@MattBear you mean the mirror in the morning?

Lucas Kauffman

@WesleyDavid USER ENUMERATION VULNERABILITY!

Aaron Copley

@voretaq7 The best kind.

voretaq7

awww the image is gone

sad unicode panda!

I'll-Be-Back

Ok my question got locked serverfault.com/questions/519456/…

WesleyDavid

20:40

@voretaq7 Free bucket of vomit as a prize? Wait, their giving out free cats?

I'll-Be-Back

but what do you think of the spec?

Matt Bear

@freiheit exactly! It's just visually disturbing

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid jeph has a dog. an adorable dog.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Well at least dogs eat their vomit when they're done.

Dog: "Oh sorry about that puke! Here, let me lick it up for you. So sorry man... nom nom nom"

Tanner

@I'll-Be-Back Is this DC + IIS?

voretaq7

20:41

@I'll-Be-Back I think you should load test it :)

WesleyDavid

Cats: "Yeah I puked on your shit. WHADDAYA GONNA DO ABOUT IT, SUCKAH?!"

voretaq7

(I also think you could probably run a server for that on your phone if you really wanted to :-)

Michael Hampton

I can't run Server 2012 on my phone. Only TomTom can do that.

voretaq7

Lucas Kauffman

@MichaelHampton doesn't server 2012 support ARM these days? :p

voretaq7

20:42

<Jesse Pinkman>That's what, *bitch*</Jesse Pinkman> :-)

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Cats can only be bathed without injury to all parties involved with the aid of ether and an epidural.

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 DANGER DANGER NEED WELDING GLOVES

I'll-Be-Back

@Tanner DC?

Falcon Momot

@voretaq7 It's not, and I'm not the only one doing that :)

voretaq7

@I'll-Be-Back In all seriousness, if all they're using it for is an IE bounce you can probably do it with a desktop. But we don't know (and can't invest the time to fully understand) your whole use case - that's why we have that canonical "You have to do your own capacity planning" family of questions.

Matt Bear

20:44

@MilesErickson :p

voretaq7

@ScottPack Judging by the second photo that cat has already had its spirit broken. Now it just takes its ~~waterboarding~~ bath like a good GTMO prisoner.

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Injury can probably be avoided with a combination of thick leather padding, chainmail, and having the water at just the right temp

Aaron Copley

@freiheit THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Now I won't need to spend all weekend on this mess. :)

voretaq7

@freiheit ...or you could just hold the kitty under until it stops wriggling.

Matt Bear

@AaronCopley just trow it in the shower, turn it on and close the door quickly

WesleyDavid

20:45

@voretaq7 And have nine ghost kitteh souls come back to haunt you?

Scott Pack

@voretaq7 Or the cat feels vindicated after dislodging an bather's arm.

voretaq7

@MattBear And make sure someone else opens the door later. (Cat will blame them)

Matt Bear

squirt a lot of soap over the top

freiheit

@voretaq7 Well, I like my cats, but that sounds like it be a good solution for @WesleyDavid. Much easier than a restraining order to get him to stop hitting on me...

WesleyDavid

voretaq7

20:46

@freiheit we just put @WesleyDavid in the washing machine.

Matt Bear

@WesleyDavid rofl!

WesleyDavid

I always laugh when I see that one.

Poor cat. But not really. =P

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid we're terrible people for laughing at that blatant animal cruelty

Aaron Copley

@WesleyDavid So mean... Holy shit.

voretaq7

this guy I knew in high school had a cat who would actively try to get into the washing machine.

freiheit

20:47

@voretaq7 We're terrible people for being sysadmins.

Matt Bear

For added scrubbing action, throw the dog in too.... Two birds, one stone!

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Wellll I'm going to remain a terrible person for at least another five minutes or until it scrolls off the screen. =D

voretaq7

killfrog.com/games/107-fluff-the-kitty-game.html

^ Interactive version.

Miles Erickson

@Ill-Be-Back That's an adequate server in terms of horsepower, but will it be adequate in terms of uptime? How much will your business care if/when it goes down?

WesleyDavid

@freiheit You can't file a restraining order against a cat! cackles

voretaq7

20:48

@WesleyDavid no, but we can have you "repaired" :-)

Aaron Copley

When we adopted our cat she was a stray. A bit of a mess from the outdoors, but so sick he put up no fight to being bathed. Now....... I think I'd be sliced open about the face and arms.

Fortunately she is well enough she does a good job of bathing herself.

Matt Bear

@AaronCopley just give her a water ballon to play with

WesleyDavid

@AaronCopley "I've eaten food that smells like rotting seashore. Let me put it on all of my fur."

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voretaq7

::reads washing machine settings:: Soak. Gentle. Normal. Heavy-Duty. Cat.

@WesleyDavid! GET IN THE WASHING MACHINE!

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Shuttup I'm supposed to smell like red tide!!

Matt Bear

20:50

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voretaq7

@WesleyDavid . . . <resists urge to make dirty joke>

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Teee heee.

voretaq7

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Resistance is Futile. Dirty joke made in video form.

Matt Bear

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Aaron Copley

@WesleyDavid Dogs are the ones that are like, "ANOTHER ANIMAL LEFT A POOP -- BETTER ROLL AROUND ON IT" (Dogs speak in all caps, but cats can't spell.)

Lucas Kauffman

20:54

Poor wesley

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Matt Bear

@LucasKauffman lol

thats whenever a girl visits

WesleyDavid

@AaronCopley Yeah, but then after the poop rolling what happens? "OH LOOK MASTER HAS THE HOSE AND WANTS TO PLAY!!"

Dogs are so low maintenance... within reason. Certain breeds not so much, sure.

I want to rescue a Greyhound or Doberman. Maybe both.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Kitteh!

WesleyDavid

And my dog never rolled in poop, so that was nice.

Lab / Cocker mix. Mutant thing.

Had the body of a lab and the legs of a cocker. Looked like a pickle barrel on straws.

Whereas cats can eat 4 ounces of food and produce 8 ounces of vomit, labs are similarly evil in that they can find 4 ounces of water and make a five gallon mess.

Laser guided water finders. OH LOOK A PUDDLE BETTER DRINK IT, ROLL IN IT, PEE IN IT, SPLASH IT ALL OVER MY MASTER!

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