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RobM
RobM
8:07 AM
I quite like blade servers for some scenarios but they certainly aren't always appropriate.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@RobM I do like how you can scale back power consumption easily..
 
tombull89
tombull89
A student just came up with a Chromebook that he wanted to use. We don't provide internet access for students currently. Does't that make the Chromebook useless?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@tombull89 has he got an Android with wifi hotspot?
 
tombull89
tombull89
@TomO'Connor Nope, iPhone
IMHO we should provide wireless for students. THe school is looking at BYOD at the moment as well.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@tombull89 It's probably not worth a full BYOD policy implementation, just give them a vlan, rate limit it down to 128k and proxyfilter it all to fuck.
also, a campus-wide wireless rollout is .. expensive.
or can be, at least.
if you want full coverage, and so on.
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
8:20 AM
moin
 
RobM
RobM
Morning
@TomO'Connor I quite like the idea of providing a full virtual farm in a box, or for services that expand "outwards" over lots of boxes rather than "upwards" within just one box
 
tombull89
tombull89
Ah we've already got Meru site-wide. 72 APs capable of handling around 50 machine/point max.
 
RobM
RobM
@tombull89 we have student wireless here. We couldn't do without it, but its a pain
 
tombull89
tombull89
Trust me, Tom, you really don't want to go there :P the IT teams opnion doesn't count for much here.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@tombull89 Hmm?
 
tombull89
tombull89
8:31 AM
Since the move to the new school we've been blatantly ignored and over-ruled since day 1. As it's just a team and 2, me and my boss, we've just been unable to cope with the workload - things not right from day one. Instead of developing my skills I've been fixing vandalised laptops for the past three years.
We've got some top-notch kit here but because my manager is doing the stuff I can't there's no preventative maintance being done - a lot of stuff is out of date.
 
RobM
RobM
@TomO'Connor - education. In schools, a degree in teaching woodwork and a copy of the GCSE IT answer book outranks 15 years high level IT experience. Not merely in teaching, where that might arguably be fair enough, but in everything.
We luckily don't have that problem here in a college environment but we do have to correct the attitude of some new lecturers who used to teach in schools...
 
tombull89
tombull89
Anything that needs to get does gets dropped when some of the higher-ups have issues with their iPads. I know bugger all about iPads.
I used to enjoy it here...now not as much.
 
RobM
RobM
iPads have turned into the new toys. We're trying to put together a program to get tablets used properly here but people still get that googly eyed "ooh shiny!" look when they get a sniff of an ipad or nexus here.
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
So, after 123 years we have a king again.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
Has anyone got a SSH server I can connect to with the port on 443 or 80?
I'm trapped behind a corporate firewall from hell.
although i'm not sure it'd help.
this is ridiculous.
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
8:47 AM
@TomO'Connor Talk to your sysadmin, we're not going to help you break your company's firewall policy. :P
3
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@SmallClanger Go fuck yourself. That's the line for peons.
;)
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Tom, I'd rather not give you access to my server, but I could forward port 443 to port 22 on an IP of your choice. Got a spare /24 to use for that :)
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
I need that as a sign on my door. That'll help me stick to my "90% of queries dealt with inside 5 minutes" SLA.
 
tombull89
tombull89
Tom, what are you doing at this place? Apart from getting frustrated with Websense?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@DennisKaarsemaker Can you forward to port 222 on 217.146.95.120
I'll know in 5 minutes if it's worked.
@tombull89 Sysadmin stuff.
currently playing with samba and AD
and i want some scripts I've got on my server.
and I hate being restricted by any corporate policy.
Do you have any idea how much internet you can break by blocking URL shorteners?
 
Dan
Dan
8:56 AM
Hello everyone!
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@TomO'Connor done. IP 213.239.169.42 port 443
 
Joel E Salas
Joel E Salas
I opened my laptop and it started syncing automatically
Owncloud is lots of value
 
Dan
Dan
I know most people won't 'get' this, but after 8 years I've sold my campervan :(
 
tombull89
tombull89
Whaaat. Also that went quick...?
 
Dan
Dan
@tombull89 Less than 24 hours because it was cheap as fuck
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:08 AM
@Dan :( Why?
@DennisKaarsemaker Thanks, but it doesn't work. Connection just times out. I suspect that they're blocking anything outbound unless it's gone through the authenticated proxy.
What a ballache.
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Must be a block on their end as it works for me
$ nc 213.239.169.42 443
SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5ubuntu1
you can make ssh use the proxy: ssh -o ProxyCommand='nc -x host:port' -p 443 213.239.169.42
authenticated proxy may need nc -P ...
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
Hurrah!
 
Dan
Dan
@TomO'Connor Well, see, as it stood yesterday the Mrs and I owned 4 cars and a motorbike....
 
RobM
RobM
@dan oh no, I know it meant a lot to you
 
Iain
Iain
@Dan there's a film in there I'm sure
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:14 AM
@Dan What are the other 3?
 
Dan
Dan
@TomO'Connor Daily Driver Mondeo, Daily Driver Astra, 1968 Beetle :)
@RobM I sent a message to a mate and he phoned me up to say he felt strangely sad :D I think the problem is, there were a lot of people (and myself of course) who associate the van with some amazing times. But,we've all grown up and it started to become apparent that even if I restored it it still wouldn't get used how it deserves to be
But I'd recommend every 19 year old buy something stupid like that, because, damn, the stories...
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
   top - 10:16:53 up 10 min,  1 user,  load average: 86.53, 74.26, 40.91
Tasks: 171 total,   1 running, 170 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  1.0%us,  1.3%sy,  4.7%ni,  0.0%id, 92.9%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.1%st
Mem:   4039868k total,  4015440k used,    24428k free,    10488k buffers
Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,    76500k cached
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@TomO'Connor forkbomb or I/O hanging?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@DennisKaarsemaker reddit.
A server I manage, from a friend's site, is currently on the frontpage.
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
heh
someone needs to add caching
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:36 AM
@DennisKaarsemaker Someone needs to allocate a budget.
 
RobM
RobM
@dan I see that. Not something I've been into myself but I've got you and one other mate who are and yeah... End of an era eh?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@Dan I always wanted an old landrover.
 
Dan
Dan
@RobM Big style, but at least it'll rapidly replaced with the bike
@TomO'Connor Ooh, good choice. I love Defenders, so utilitarian
 
RobM
RobM
Well we all need our big boys toys after all.
 
Dan
Dan
We do, and fortunately, I'm lucky enough to have a wife-to-be who understands!
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:57 AM
Total DISK READ: 3.70 M/s | Total DISK WRITE: 37.28 K/s
Blimey.
 
Iain
Iain
I really must stop looking at the front page
 
Cold T
Cold T
0
Q: Outlook vs. Exchange

ArnoldDoes Microsoft Exchange and Outlook use the same PST file? I tried searching in google but could not find an exact answer. Need your idea guys. Thanks

outlook
seriously?
Morning all
@TomO'Connor that i blimey! where did you see that?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
10:15 AM
@ColdT A webserver that's on the frontpage of reddit.
 
 
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ewwhite
ewwhite
12:28 PM
I'm using explainxkcd.com a LOT more often. Does it mean I'm getting dumber?
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
Since when?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@MathiasR.Jessen Yesterday's chart wasn't super clear to me... and the time machine...
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@ewwhite Yeah, I wouldn't have grasped the resolution scale from regular xkcd either...
xkcd was funnier when I felt smart :(
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
Yeah, that's how I feel... I went back to visit my university for the first time in 10 years this weekend. And seeing all of those young and hopeful people... learning everything I forgot...
I don't know how people stay sharp.
 
Iain
Iain
@ewwhite doThings()
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
12:35 PM
@Iain Like what?
I'm not challenged right now.
 
Iain
Iain
@ewwhite anything in your $field
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I'm watching a devops client suffer because we don't have the right type of resources to help them.
 
RobM
RobM
I'm reading 30-odd resumes.
 
Iain
Iain
@ewwhite what resources do they need ?
@RobM giggling ?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Iain EMC VNX storage expertise.
To help find out why their application is hammering it.
 
Iain
Iain
12:37 PM
@ewwhite and you can't find them a consultant ?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I think we designed the storage wrong... and they are misusing the resources. Really bad combination in an IaaS/private Cloud setup.
@Iain I don't think we do that.
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@ewwhite that doesn't sound challenging... horrible, sure, but not challenging
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I have my own projects and such... I mean, I know some things.
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
I've contemplated taking an evening class of some kind to address the "stay sharp" paradox... Just something I haven't dug into since I left school
Like, taking all the math classes I loved but I no longer remember anything from
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
But much like the XKCD: Is it worth the time?, I prefer to defer to experts when dealing with tough production issues.
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
12:41 PM
Challenging yourself is always worth the time ;)
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
Sometimes I'm the expert... but with stuff like SAN storage, nope.
@MathiasR.Jessen If you saw what was happening, and how much we're paid to maintain this, you wouldn't want to be learning on the fly.
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@ewwhite Oh, no, I wasn't talking about your current EMC situation, I wouldn't put to much time into that :-D It was more generally speaking... For potential challenges that you have identified as being beneficial to you
 
RobM
RobM
@iain at some of them, yes
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@RobM I assume they all lie on their resumes... how much fiction have you encountered so far?
 
Cold T
Cold T
1:07 PM
had a resume once, had so many certs on the resume, we thought great! When we interviewed him, it turned out the guy wanted to gain these certs he placed on his resume rather then already attained!!!
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@ColdT lol
 
RobM
RobM
Not too bad so far, the usual exaggeration than outright lies I think
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
I'd recently interviewed a guy with a recently-completed CS degree who couldn't do FizzBuzz even in pseudocode, and he had been working as a developer for several years (he claimed)
FizzBuzz is my favorite interview question.
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
fizzbuzz?
ah trivial game
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
"For 1 through 100, if the number is divisible by 3, print 'Fizz', if the number is divisible by 5, print 'Buzz'. If the number is divisible by both, print 'FizzBuzz'. Otherwise, print the number."
It's a trivial programming problem, but it illustrates a lot of concepts
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
1:12 PM
really?
it's just a loop with an if/elsif/elsif/else...
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
0
Q: Cisco SFP for single-strand single mode connection over 10km

SimonIs it possible using only Cisco equipment to link two sites approximately 15km apart using only one single mode fiber strand.

cisco fiber sfp
homework question?
 
jscott
jscott
10 PRINT 1
20 PRINT 2
30 PRINT FIZZ
40 PRINT 4
50 PRINT BUZZ
...
 
RobM
RobM
I've done fizzbuzz as a test before when interviewing candidates for developer jobs

hint: If you're a dev going for a dev position and I can code rings around you when I'm a sysadmin, then you're either here for a trainee post or you're wasting my time.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
It illustrates looping (and shows that they know the difference between the different looping constructs), modulus math, logic structures, etc
 
jscott
jscott
@gWaldo I'm still not seeing the requirement for any looping, or even logic, in the FizzBuzz test. :)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:15 PM
@RobM Agreed on both counts; he was a developer candidate, and had done reasonably well up to there.
@jscott Then you fail...
;-)
 
RobM
RobM
It's surprising how often they do
 
Iain
Iain
@jscott then you get asked to optimize it
 
jscott
jscott
@Iain Ah-ha! Now that would be interesting to see in an interview!
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
Actually, I do ask about different optimizations / alternatives and their relative tradeoffs.
 
RobM
RobM
@jscott you can certainly write it without. We let people code it in any language they like in any way they like. They simply have to defend their design to me afterwards... and the ones that get sniffy about having to defend their code to "just a sysadmin" (it has happened) get told on the way out of the door that I was offered and turned down the head developer role because I'd rather be head sysadmin
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:17 PM
My boss asked me if I wanted a job as a programmer. I told him that if we weren't a .NET shop, I might
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo most people go for %3 && %5 when %15 is 'better'
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
See, I would fail the FizzBuzz...
With my computer science degree...
 
RobM
RobM
I can... well "used to" might be a better phrase these days, program. I'd just rather do sysadmin/network engineer stuffs
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
scary, right?
 
Cold T
Cold T
haven't even heard FizzBuzz before but then again didn't do CS
 
RobM
RobM
1:18 PM
@ewwhite not so much because you're not claiming to be a dev, right?
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain So what happens if I change fizz and buzz to 4 and 6? What do you test for then?
 
Cold T
Cold T
i probably could work out a pseudo program though, so long someone explained how the game worked
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
My favorite FizzBuzz example is this:
LOLCode
HAI
CAN HAS STDIO?
I HAS A VAR IZ 0
IM IN YR LOOP
UPZ VAR!!1
IZ VAR BIGR THAN 100?
GTFO.
KTHX
IZ VAR LEFTOVAR 15 LIEK 0?
VISIBLE "FIZZBUZZ"
KTHX
ORLY?
IZ VAR LEFTOVAR 5 LIEK 0?
VISIBLE "BUZZ"
KTHX
ORLY?
IZ VAR LEFTOVAR 3 LIEK 0?
VISIBLE "FIZZ"
KTHX
NOWAI
VISIBLE VAR
KTHX
KTHX
KTHXBYE
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo 24
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain Nope. Think it through
 
tombull89
tombull89
1:19 PM
@gWaldo NAO. That's LOLCode. LOLCode can die in a fire.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I encountered it once in a sysadmin interview...
 
jscott
jscott
@RobM I think the defense, or optimization, answers would be more interesting than catching any syntax/logic errors in their initial code. Getting to see people "catch" their own mistakes shows them in a rare light.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I didn't walk out, but I made some excuses and tried to play to my perceived strengths at the time.
but again, I don't think everyone has the ability to be a developer.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@tombull89 Has anyone tried to seriously use it to accomplish anything?
 
tombull89
tombull89
Yayyy! A department just bought two kindles and want them on the wireless! Yay...wait, Kindles don't have proxy support? sad trombone.
 
RobM
RobM
1:20 PM
@jscott yeah, we asked people to do it on paper and made it quite clear that we were after design/structure rather than the right number of brackets on the page.
@tombull89 gotta laugh eh
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
Yea, ours was Whiteboard
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo :( it should be LCM(a,b) so 12
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
@gWaldo I used it as an introduction to programming for my 14yo sister ... it worked, she's coding away
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain Yup! Don't feel bad; that gets almost everyone. (Which is why I ask!)
 
Cold T
Cold T
there is a Fizz Buzz Woof version?!!
 
Iain
Iain
1:22 PM
@gWaldo I don't :)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@MathiasR.Jessen Nice!
@Iain yaaay!
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo do you go on to ask them to code LCM(...) ? or is that getting too nasty ?
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain No, I don't ask for that. After they complete the FizzBuzz, I just ask them what they would change if the parameters were different (4 and 6)
but if they did lcm() I'd be super-impressed
 
Iain
Iain
I know SE asked zypher fizzbuzz and then how to determine if a point is inside a shape (the shape being a rectangle)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
That's interesting! I'll have to use that
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
1:25 PM
@ColdT We had a guy who applied for a sysadmin job who took it even further and invented new Microsoft certifications. As if we wouldn't check up on a title or Cert ID that we didn't recognize... Needless to say he didn't make it very far in the recruitment process
 
Iain
Iain
He didn't initially say the shape was a rectangle and when I looked up how to do it with an arbitrary shape I was super impressed till he said only a rectangle
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
a thorough understanding of ranges and multi-dimensional arrays!
 
mossy
mossy
So... we've come to this.
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo seems complicated
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain That would be pretty hard if it wasn't a rectangle. A rectangle is probably enough for an interview test.
 
Iain
Iain
1:29 PM
@gWaldo it's insanely hard for an arbitrary shape
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
And, assuming that the rectangle is parallel to the X and Y axes!
I'm actually loving this as an interview question
(for developers)
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo if it's not then it's a rhomboid and all bets are off
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
well, the object could still be a rectangle (90-deg angles), but not necessarily parallel/perpendicular to the graph
If an arbitrary shape, or an off-kilter rectangle, you would have to do real math to determine where exactly the line passes through the next axis. Possible, but tricky
 
Iain
Iain
just checking a rectangle is a rhomboid too (parallel side unequal length) so go back to your original
@gWaldo have you looked it up or are you just thinking about it ?
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
But in a rhomboid, the angles are oblique and the adjacent sides are unequal.
@Iain I was just thinking about it
That's more work than I'm willing to do on a lark, and I think it's further than I'm willing to put an interview candidate through.
 
Iain
Iain
1:36 PM
Point in polygon
In computational geometry, the point-in-polygon (PIP) problem asks whether a given point in the plane lies inside, outside, or on the boundary of a polygon. It is a special case of point location problems and finds applications in areas that deal with processing geometrical data, such as computer graphics, computer vision, geographical information systems (GIS), motion planning, and CAD. An early description of the problem in computer graphics shows two common approaches (ray casting and angle summation) in use as early as 1974. An attempt of computer graphics veterans to trace the histo...
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
But I will do a rectangle that is aligned with the grid
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo that's fairly straightforward
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Iain well, no shit!
In that case, there are probably python/perl/ruby modules to make it easier
er... solve it more efficiently
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo there are questions on SO about it, the answers to which make my brain leak from my ears
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
Brain leakage due to ugliness of answers, or complexity?
 
Iain
Iain
1:41 PM
@gWaldo the latter - I don't think people who can answer that question would have ugly answers :)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
lol
yea, it gets complex easily
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo take a look at projecteuler.net
some of the puzzles there would be good programmer questions
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
Anyone know if there's a way to LEGALLY get a full retail ISO image or DVD of OSX Mountain Lion? I want to run it in VMware Wks and find many torrents, etc. of it but want a legal copy since this is for work. I looked on Apple's site and it looks like it is only "upgrades" through the mac store....le sigh, it's like they don't want me to be legal...anyone?
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
That's pretty awesome! 425 math/programming problems!
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo I've done a bunch (winter project couple of years ago) I don't have the math skills for many of them
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:44 PM
@TheCleaner You can extract the .iso from the Apple Store download, but IIRC, the license requires that you run on Mac Hardware
@Iain Very cool. I'm going to take note (knowing full-well that I'll probably never get to it...)
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
@gWaldo - I don't see anywhere on the Apple store to buy it though
 
Iain
Iain
@gWaldo I found it (temporarily) more interesting than gaming
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@TheCleaner The Mac App Store
 
tombull89
tombull89
@TheCleaner Oh man yes it's a pain in the ass. If I want to learn something I want to download an ISO, be it a trial or full version, and install it on a VM or some spare hardware. I don't want to be bitched at.
 
Cold T
Cold T
@TheCleaner i could sworn they have gone 'online only' approach?
Even with the new iMacs you don't get the media
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:46 PM
@Iain My friend, we need to get you some better games...
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
So basically I have to already have a Mac running OSX in order to download OSX through their "Mac App Store"app running on a Mac? apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade
 
tombull89
tombull89
@TheCleaner Yup.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
What kind of BS is this...I might as well download the torrent iso and clip a $20 check written out to Apple to the burned DVD in case they ever come and try to claim I pirated it.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@TheCleaner I know at one point the only legal way to run the Mac OS was if the underlying hardware was finally a Mac.
 
Cold T
Cold T
@TheCleaner you have to go through the process, and then there are ways to burn to a DVD
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:48 PM
@TheCleaner I googled for "extract mountin lion iso" and got plenty of hits
 
Cold T
Cold T
but you can't buy the media, just a digital download only form
just as @gWaldo mentioned - lifehacker.com/5928780/…
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
actually, you can do the same with a .dmg, too. (It doesn't need to be an .iso)
 
tombull89
tombull89
You'll have issues burning a .dmg on a windows machine though.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
yeah @gWaldo - I know there are tons of "pirated" links...I wanted to stay 100% legal...without having to buy a Mac. But if the only legal way to run it is on mac hardware...well then...grrr....I needed it to be able to help support a few mac users but it would be rare and I didn't feel like buying a mac just for that purpose.
 
tombull89
tombull89
@TheCleaner That was my issue as well, I wanted to run OSX Server as part of my lab at home, but forking out cash for hardware because it's "not compatible" with my other hardware is not really fair.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
1:52 PM
@ColdT - yeah, but I need a Mac first in order to even buy it. I could hit up one of the mac users but they are in a different part of the country.
 
tombull89
tombull89
In the end I borrowed a mac from work, dual-booted it with Windows and installed OSX Server in a VM.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@TheCleaner You can extract the Mountain Lion Installer legally, but the license restricts you to running it on Mac hardware (last I knew)
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
So it looks like my only legal recourse is to 1) get mac user to log into Mac store and buy it 2) use @ColdT 's link to burn to physical media 3) use one of the other links to extract the ISO and load it up in vmware. (course if it is illegal to run it in vmware under PC hardware I guess I'm screwed regardless)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@TheCleaner Is it more trouble than it's worth to buy a Mac Mini for like $500?
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
@gWaldo - there's always this: macincloud.com :)
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
1:57 PM
Da, that works
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
looks like my only option if they aren't willing to spring for a separate mac mini...thanks all.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
okay, so I have a storage server being shipped...
and the vendor ignored my shipping instructions to go to my data center...
but rather sent a rather large package on a pallet to MY HOUSE
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
good afternoon tagnuts
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Chopper3 has my SAAP license!
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
ah - forgot about that, let me look now - edit - *sound of lenovo that's not been on for 6 months starting up *
 
Cold T
Cold T
2:04 PM
@ewwhite get them to reimburse you for wasting time!
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ColdT I just paid $11k for this thing
so it's a waste of my time... client's time...
FedEx has to move this to a new facility...
it's unprofessional, etc, etc.
 
tombull89
tombull89
Hey @Chopper3.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
how'd they get your home address?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@TheCleaner billing
(credit card)
 
tombull89
tombull89
Although @TheCleaner this narked me off a bit, talk about hypocritical much...
Jun 28 '12 at 19:05, by Chopper3
@Zoredache It'd be terrible if it became public knowledge that Apple run OSX Server on top of ESXi 5.1 on HP and IBM blades wouldn't it...
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
2:08 PM
:) nice of you to front the client like that...
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@TheCleaner hmm?
Oh, client prepaid.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
@tombull89 - yeah...it wouldn't surprise me though
@ewwhite - shipping address clearly spelled out to vendor? make them pay Fedex to ship from your house to DC
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@tombull89 hi
 
tombull89
tombull89
@Chopper3 Saw Iron Man 3 on sunday, quite enjoyed it. Thought it was better than 2.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@tombull89 it was alright, even though as an actor she's a beanburger-munching hippy as Pepper Potts I'd RUIN GwynnieP - she's never walk right
3
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
2:13 PM
@TheCleaner I couldn't accept the shipment.
No loading dock.
 
tombull89
tombull89
I almost drowned on my swig of water. Thanks for that.
 
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 You'd go in a like a dawn police raid?
2
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
I'm going to see it Friday courtesy of Dell.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
strugging to find that SAAP licence, give me a second
 
Cole
Cole
2:30 PM
Morning
 
Adrian
Adrian
mornin' Gents.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ewwhite really struggling to find it sorry, bit out of practice, particularly in searching in Outlook - asked one of my guys to dig it out so will let you have it later ok
 
Cole
Cole
sup @Adrian
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Chopper3 Oh, I'd definitely appreciate!
 
Dan
Dan
The day someone really does work out how to see "Who has viewed your Facebook" profile I'm in soo much trouble!
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
2:41 PM
LinkedIn practically turned that into their business model!
 
tombull89
tombull89
@Dan haha - luckily FB won't allow it. It's an easy facebook spam/scam trap.
Also last night someones compramised account posted on my status. This morning someone else posted the same link to my status and a picture as well...guess they got caught by wanting to see the spammy link (which promised a Nicki Minaj sex tape of all things...)
 
Dan
Dan
@gWaldo Yeah, but stalking people on LinkedIn is dull as fuck and you can have good reason for doing so. I've got no good excuse to be perusing the pictures of previous, well, you can work out the rest
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole Me, oddly. I think I've finally slept enough to make up for the past 3 months of sleep deprivation.
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian awesome :)
I had to bring my cat to the vet today, so I slept till 8AM - it was awesome.
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole Going to adopt a kitten in a few weeks here to keep the Crotchety Old Man company. He's 16 but still plays like he's less than half that , and could use the company.
 
Cole
Cole
2:51 PM
aw :)
I love my cat
the cutest.
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
3:04 PM
I know this isn't slickdeals, but I had to share...getting a Sears 100ft all rubber hose for $20 is a steal. If you are interested, here's the link: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-5-8-in-x-100-ft-all-rubber/p-07169605000P?sid=IAx20050830x000545&PID=1225267&AID=11042411&aff=Y&PDP_REDIRECT=false&s_tnt=39869:4:0 (you'll need to sign up for Craftsman Club and wait about an hour to get your $10 off $25 coupon in your email)
Picking mine up at lunch.
 
Dan
Dan
@TheCleaner I don't need a rubber hose.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
0
A: PuTTY Fatal Error dialog - Can it be suppressed?

Michael HamptonI would log out before going home in the evening, rather than the next morning.

 
Dan
Dan
@MichaelHampton I'd write an app which sits in the system tray and automatically closes the windows
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
@Dan - those are also referred to as "first world" problems on other sites...good stuff though.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
Developers.
 
Dan
Dan
3:06 PM
@TheCleaner Yeah, the "First Wold Problems" is somewhat of a meme on the Internet, though not a bad one really
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ewwhite being dim but I can't find a SAAP licence key but I do have various iLO ones - does it get included in that?
@ewwhite - got it! I'd put a space inbetween SA and AP - doh - you ready for it?
 
TheCleaner
TheCleaner
7 9er
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Chopper3 yep
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ewwhite ok, cut'n'paste ready? it'll be up for 20 secs max ok
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
yep
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
3:14 PM
* and it's gone *
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
got it
 
tombull89
tombull89
@Chopper3 You'll need to delete the message, because we can still see the history.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ewwhite You owe me a good rimming for that ok? :)
3
@tombull89 I'll live
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Chopper3 Thank you... it's my specialty.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
:)
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:18 PM
Who here always says everything is terrible?
Is it @voretaq7 ?
 
tombull89
tombull89
HopelessNoob? Although he's not been seen for quite some time...
 
Tanner
Tanner
 
Chris S
Chris S
Ugh... So frustrating:
Me: I see you're not doing $BEST_PRACTICES, you should reconsider.
B: I have a Select_Excuse_From(Budget, Entitlement, Crappy Boss) and don't have that luxury.
Me: This is why you have problems... To get rid of problems, get rid of excuse.
 
Iain
Iain
@ChrisS where ?
 
Adrian
Adrian
@ChrisS Pretty much. Not much fun being Mr. B either though.
 
Dan
Dan
3:25 PM
So what did happen to Mr N00b?
I know he got into some bother on the main site (?)
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Iain Everyday... CPanel question today.
 
Adrian
Adrian
@ChrisS Yeah, I've had bosses who've insisted on things like that. That any management interface be simple enough that the boss can understand it. Boss took the better part of 3 years to figure out that it was best left to the technical people. Especially since the boss wouldn't use the change management protocol when he put changes in.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Adrian Very true, I've been there, working with a budget too small for the expected results, or whatever. I guess it's something you learn to communicate to the stakeholder; that or you whine about it on SF.
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@ewwhite terribull
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ewwhite let me know if that works or doesn't ok
 
Adrian
Adrian
3:29 PM
@ChrisS I try to avoid doing the latter until I've exhausted efforts on the former. $job[-2] had a 1.9% IT budget, of which 94% was salaries. Wouldn't spend money on anything if hiring another warm body could conceivably get the same result in some possible universe. Very annoying.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Dan Funny; I asked this same thing yesterday!
 
Dan
Dan
@gWaldo Conspiracy
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Dan Looks like he hasn't been around for over a week.
 
Adrian
Adrian
And management that believed that "sunk costs" was justification for astonishing amounts of time wasting. My staff had to hand-track power strips and network cables because they were worried about mis-application of that $3 cable and justified the stupidity by claiming our salaries were already paid and therefore there was no reason to find a better way. As if the 130 tickets in the queue weren't a solid reminder that we were already over-tasked.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
HOORAY FOR LOUD PEOPLE ON THE PHONE AND I CAN'T CLOSE MY DOOR!
 
Adrian
Adrian
3:32 PM
But I don't work there anymore. And they hired someone to manage it who's going to keep on doing it the same way it's always done instead of hiring me, so I wash my hands of them
 
Chris S
Chris S
Some people are destined to sink the ship; might as well bail so you've got a good viewpoint to watch from.
 
Cole
Cole
haha wow, Unix guy just didn't show up for work. No email, call or scheduled time off.
 
Adrian
Adrian
@ChrisS Nah, just a lot of Dunning-Kruger there. They pay is so low that they end up with a lot of those folks.
 
Chris S
Chris S
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Cole
Cole
This is what happens when you allow a single person to know how to do a large chunk of your environment. They do shit like this, and you can't fire them because nothing is documented and your whole SAP environment will fall to pieces crippling your business.
 
Adrian
Adrian
3:35 PM
@Cole Bad management. Which you already knew from other interactions, eh?
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian oh yeah, of course.
I'm supposed to be the back up Unix/Linux guy - but that's kind of hard when you're the Lead Windows/Active Directory guy
and your VMware guy needs you to fix his vSphere 5.1 upgrade that he botched -_-
and the only one who can script.
At least I have a job, but things like this I just have to laugh at.....otherwise I'll cry.
 
Dan
Dan
I wish I could permadelete my own answers when I realise I've completely misinterpreted the question :(
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole And you can only do so much at once. And it's your boss' job to communicate what the overall priorities are so that you can manage & prioritize the daily tasks in an appropriate manner.
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian funny you say that. A coworker who is buried in Lotus Domino/Connections/Sametime shit was like "<Manager>, well which one is a priority? I have all these things you want now." my manager responded with "They're all a priority"
-_-
 
Cold T
Cold T
@Dan lol, i did that earlier!
 
Adrian
Adrian
3:43 PM
@Cole Sometimes you have to work around the boss' inabilities and make it more explicit and literal, like a 3 year old. Tell him flat out which one he wants first if he's unwilling/unable to handle it in a more sophisticated fashion.
 
Dan
Dan
@ColdT I fear all the 10kers are laughing at us
 
Adrian
Adrian
Ooh. Fun. Jane's Addiction covering Sympathy.
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian I think the problem is, this is the only job he's ever had. Well, he started in help desk here but has only worked for this company.
 
Dan
Dan
Home time
 
Cole
Cole
I have to say, at least with me - he does respect my opinion and I generally receive no push back/questioning of what I decide is the right course of action.
The other guys? Super micro-managed.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
3:46 PM
Wow. How backward. I have to complete weekly timesheets. Despite being a full-time salaried employee.
>.>
Hey Cole <3
 
Adrian
Adrian
@TomO'Connor Budget tracking or Billing?
 
Cole
Cole
Whenever a problem happens, he goes to his computer and immediately starts Googling and spamming everyone with links to fix the problem.
Hey Tom <3
 
Adrian
Adrian
job[-1] required that for billing customers.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@Adrian Ass-to-face compatibility, i assume.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
@Cole That sounds like my manager from the old $SHITJOB
 
Cole
Cole
3:50 PM
What sucks is, I really want this job to work. I want longevity somewhere, and it's a 15 minute commute from home. It's very convenient.
 
Adrian
Adrian
@TomO'Connor $job[-2] had no such excuses. And the timesheet was ON PAPER for all 540 staff and required the payroll person to transcribe the contents into various and sundry spreadsheets and payroll entry apps.
 
Cole
Cole
But I've been first on call for a month straight, and have another 2 months of first on call to complete the "training period"
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole I do think you need to keep looking for another job though. Any company that tolerates that kind of policy in one of their departments has rot behind the walls and under the floors regardless of how great the rest of the company might be.
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian I have been, but striking out. I'm just getting frustrated.
I would need to take a $10-$15K pay cut
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole Keep working at it. It's a marathon, not a sprint. I've taken pay cuts before and come out better in the end.
 
Cole
Cole
3:53 PM
@Adrian I took a pay cut to come here.
Well, I was doing W2 contracting but still I went from making a week almost what I make in two weeks here.
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
I took a pay cut at my last gig, but it was a better job than what I'd had before. This job pays more than what I'd walked away from at $job[-2]
 
Cole
Cole
Issue is, taking a pay cut + having to commute would equal a $20k+ pay cut
 
Kevin Soviero
Kevin Soviero
I just drank a double mocha for the first time... I feel like I might die... I have a job interview in a few hours. This sucks.
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole I try not to equate the two. And I also try not to consider any more than 60% of contracting income as my pay. Contracting is too sketchy in this town with Washington's 12-month perma-temp rules requiring most places to offer you a permanent slot or cut you loose.
 
Cole
Cole
I spend ~$150 in gas a month
Commuting to Boston or north of Boston would be $300 - $400/month
plus wear and tear on my car
 
Adrian
Adrian
3:56 PM
@Cole No trains in that area, eh?
 
Cole
Cole
I could move closer to Boston, but then I'm looking at doubling my rent
@Adrian Commuter rail, but that's also $300 a month
What I'm trying to do is stick it out till I pay off my CC debt
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole Ah. But wear & tear really racks up fast when you figure you're paying that much again for car payments.
 
Cole
Cole
Yeah and I just bought my car last year
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Cole There's that. That's part of why I took the contracting gig.
 
Cole
Cole
@Adrian Which is what I'm trying to do, find a 6 -12 month contracting gig with a high rate
blow through all the debt stuff quickly
and then find something I really want to do
My surgery cost total with airfare, hotel, surgery, medications, food, etc was about $8500ish
 
gWaldo
gWaldo
3:59 PM
I <3 when the "biz folks" discuss technical strategy and configuration amongst themselves (loudly), without bringing anyone with a clue in... Le sigh
 
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