The Comms Room

12:12 AM

speedy migrate to security.se?

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Q: How to securely audit passwords using John the Ripper

When my clients create a password, they are shown a strength meter and I have set the requirements fairly high. However, the strength meter is essentially only useful if being attacked by a very dumb brute force cracker. I know for a fact that passwords can be created that are easier to crack wit...

Mark Henderson

So, I officially hate the Netgear switch web interface, and I'm not interested in learning command-line stuff just yet. Any suggestions on other switches with good web interfaces?

Adrian

@MarkHenderson heh. Netgear CLI. That was a mess I'd rather not be reminded of.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson what grade of switch/required features/price range?

Mark Henderson

@Andrew 802.1q vlans - that's about it

So pretty much bottom of the barrel

Budget, well I'd like to get an 8-port and a 24-port for < $500 inc. GST

Which I can also easily do with the netgear (GS108T and GS724T)

Got a church that wants to implement a guest WiFi network, but only have dumb switches, so I'm going to take this opportunity to upgrade them if I can afford to pay for the equipment myself

I'd be happy with eBay equipment too

(haven't searched there yet)

Andrew

12:28 AM

@MarkHenderson do you have wifi access points sorted out yet? I've heard good things about ruckus APs

Mark Henderson

@Andrew I do. I've got some surplus Ubiquiti gear from work that I'm donating to them

Andrew

some of the lower-end HP stuff (perhaps the ex-3Com) might be in order for basic vlanning

Mark Henderson

We ordered a bunch of them and got them a few weeks ago, but we only ended up needing one AP, so I have some spares

Andrew

the procurves are nice and full-featured but not exactly cheap. lifetime equipment warranty though, regardless of owner.

web interface is a bit crap though (java) but CLI is good

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Hmm. The new HP stuff isn't too badl;y priced

Oh wait, I'm looking at their 10/100 stuff

nvm

Andrew

12:34 AM

@MarkHenderson which series?

Mark Henderson

HP 1810-8

But it's 10/100

So not interested

Andrew

the 1810-8g doesn't look too expensive

$100 for a managed switch? bargain

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Sure, if it was gigabit

The Netgear 8-port "smart" switch is $114 ex-gst

Andrew

@MarkHenderson the 1810-8g is gigabit

Mark Henderson

Which is right up my alley budget-wise

Andrew

12:38 AM

ok, more like $120-$140, but still

Mark Henderson

Oh, I didn't see that

$101-ex

Andrew

otherwise a random gigabit router with dd-wrt or whatever

not a huge number of good results on staticice but ebay might be more fruitful

Mark Henderson

A 1810-8G and 1810-24G are totally within my budget

Might be time to give them a go

Chris S

12:54 AM

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ewwhite

2:37 AM

@MarkHenderson The 1800-series is OKAY.

Interesting New York Times article on recruiting developers!

Adrian

@ewwhite Ever had anything for the Goose Island Beer Company? Had one with dinner this evening and it's was pretty decent.

ewwhite

@Adrian Yeah, they sponsored my cycling team... nice pub/restaurant/brewery.

Adrian

@ewwhite Nice. They have their 312 pale ale on tap at the Local.

ewwhite

Good stuff.

Adrian

Indeed.

Jacob

2:41 AM

Hi all

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Well I only need them for an OK scenario - I'll be donating them to the church so it's not like they need to be brilliant

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson Yeah, they're solid. I have about 20 in production.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Sweet. I'll give them a go

Mark Henderson

3:00 AM

So, does anyone feel like gifting me something from the US on Steam?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson sure

what do you want

Mark Henderson

store.steampowered.com/sub/12072

Jacob

That was a solid game

What do they want you to pay for it?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Over 20 bucks

I've sent you an email

Jacob

HAHAHA

how the?

How'd you get my email

Mark Henderson

3:04 AM

@Jacob I'm a moderator

Technically against the rules, so shhhhhhhhhh

Plus you wrote it in your public profile

Jacob

Make that go away? ^^

:P

Mark Henderson

@Jacob It's in your profile ;)

Jacob

@MarkHenderson For the noobs @SF to see; not the veterans in chat to comment on :P

ok

Mark Henderson

@Jacob fwiw it wouldn't exactly be hard to guess - if I had to have guessed I probably would have got it in the first go

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I know, I wanted to see if you used your mod powers; and if you would admit it

Mark Henderson

3:09 AM

@Jacob Well, I did, and I did

Jacob

1 sec, someone can't figureout how to enable TUN on a OpenVZ VM

Mark Henderson

No worries

I'm at work and probably won't even fire the game up until I've finished Assassins Creed III

Andrew

"STOP! Look and Listen. This was an audit, designed to see if you were paying attention. You didn't pass. There are no major problems with this question. You should click Leave Open, or make minor corrections via Edit."

er...

whatevver

Mark Henderson

@Andrew FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!

Andrew

Thanks for not showing me any answers...

Ward

3:19 AM

@Andrew You failed a Close Vote Audit?

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Q: Close Vote Review Audits are too obvious

The other day, I got an obviously good question in a Close Vote Review. Even if I didn't read the question, +11 with 3 answers is a bit of a giveaway. Today I got one where the question was almost incomprehensible. Also, on sites other than SO (where I understand the queues are huge), the numb...

feature-request review vote-to-close review-audits

I would've thought that was impossible...

Andrew

it was a stupid question! "how do I keep a linux server on forever"

Ward

@Andrew You can always click through.

Andrew

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Q: Is it possible to never shutdown linux?

Assuming hardware failure is not a factor, and the requirement of being able to update periodically, is it possible to never shutdown Linux? I typically do a full reboot after updates, especially kernel updates, but is there a way to keep my machine on and still do these? People always hear abou...

linux

Mark Henderson

@Andrew I don't see that review in the history...

It was the Close queue?

Andrew

@MarkHenderson it was an audit test, apparently.

Ward

3:22 AM

You could see it had 5 votes and 2 answers..

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Yeah I should still be able to see what you saw though

Ward

@MarkHenderson It's in his history

serverfault.com/users/42461/…

Andrew

@Ward not in the review page I didn't

odd. well I definitely didn't see the answers

Mark Henderson

@Ward Ah found it. Audits used to show up in green or red for me, but they seem to not do that any more

@Andrew It doesn'ts how them in the review screen

But you get a summary

"Answers: 2, accepted: yes"

Ward

Andrew

3:25 AM

@MarkHenderson I must have glazed over it

Mark Henderson

fwiw I'm kind of surprised it wasn't closed given hwo much we love to slam questions these days

Ward

At first glance, it looks a bit NC, but it's more specific...

Andrew

@MarkHenderson should probably be protected as a "this is a stupid question with a sensible answer" question so it doesn't get "accidentally" closed

Ward

Nothing stopping you from voting to close it for real, then it'll end up in the queue.

And if it does get closed, you can go an bitch about it on meta.SO where absolutely nothing will happen...

Mark Henderson

@Andrew It doesn't ultimately matter; you have to fail more than just one audit before you get banned from the audit queue

Andrew

3:28 AM

anyway, here's a fun "is this off topic" question about rsync

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Q: How to make rsync copy symlinks to files, but leave symlinks to dirs as links?

I'm doing some system maintainence work that requires things like this. Putting simply, I want symlinks to files to be replaced with the files they point to, but symlinks to dirs left as links. How can I do this?

linux rsync

Jacob

@MarkHenderson PayPal=Email

Andrew

seems on-topic but will probably find an answer on U&L

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Thanks sir. Do you want me to pay you before or after?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Now please, so I can just forward the funds to Valve then pull it off my cc and add more more thing to track :)

Mark Henderson

3:40 AM

@Jacob Done

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Done

@MarkHenderson Remember, Trash Cans are your friend

Mark Henderson

@Jacob You are a gentleman and a scholar

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Also, when the game hands you a gun, you need to kill the person, there is almost no other way to complete the mission if you get your gun out. Or it's really FUCKING HARD and it'll just piss you off.

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Eh I don't mind just shooting someone in the face if that's what's required

Is anyone else seeing all this crap from The Bridge floating through the flag queue?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Yeah, but sometimes you think hey I can just arrest this guy.. NOPE, it won't work

@MarkHenderson Oh, and in the questioning mode. Be careful when using "lie". If you aren't sure and can't say "this evidence that I found before totally proves the lie" than dont press it. You have to prove it to the person. If you can't back it up then they'll shut down

Mark Henderson

3:53 AM

@Jacob I actaully hardly even know what the game is about, only that it's meant to be very good and it's old enough for me to afford it :p

Jacob

@MarkHenderson It's a crime game with an excellent over arc story

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson You suck. =(

@MarkHenderson I'm going to guess... jacob@jacobjernigan.com or jacob@jernigan.com

And I don't even know and didn't look at your profile @Jacob =P

Jacob

@WesleyDavid Jernigan.com got picked up by the Assholes at tucows

@WesleyDavid You have my email....

WesleyDavid

@Jacob Let's ring their doorbell and run.

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Hah tucows - back in the '90's they were the best place to get shareware and freeware

WesleyDavid

3:56 AM

I think so, but not committed to memory. I'm addicted to auto-complete. =(

@MarkHenderson download.com baby.

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Fuckers stole my domain. we'l sell you an email for 35$ annually

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Not a fan of those aggregation sites. The one I used the other day gave me a .EXE to run that then downloaded the program I was after, but only after asking me to install a million toolbars and then showed me gigantic ads the whole time

The only reason I used them was because the tools original site had been offline for years

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Oh yeah, those places are trash now, but in 1996, download.com / cnet was the shiznit.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid 1996 I didn't even have the internet :(

Got our first 14.4kbps modem in '97

Moved to 56k in late '97 but didn't get broadband until '03 when we got 256/64 ADSL

Jacob

I remember DSL

WesleyDavid

4:00 AM

@MarkHenderson Was Australia even colonized in 1997?

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid sigh

@Jacob Well for the vast majority of this country ADSL2 the vastly most popular broadband service as it's all most of us can get

Jacob

@MarkHenderson FOSTERS AUSTRALIAN FOR BEER

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Australia is a sorely neglected market for... everything.

Mark Henderson

I'm one of the very fortunate few who moved into an area serviced by HFC

@Jacob Come back to me when you've actually tried it

WesleyDavid

30 million people just waiting to throw their funny money at the first person to give them first world amenities like Adobe products that don't cost dry anal rape.

Mark Henderson

4:02 AM

(but yeah, it's shit, we know it's shit, we never said it wasn't shit, nobody here drinks it so much that they don't even sell ithere)

@WesleyDavid 26 million but close enough

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Pabst! American for hipsterpiss.

Stack Exchange

Don't forget the time you spend finding the chart to look up what you save. And the time spent reading this reminder about the time spent. And the time trying to figure out if either of those actually make sense. Remember, every second counts toward your life total, including these right now.

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Tastes like shit I know

WesleyDavid

What the absolute frick, Stackbot.

Can we get XKCD off the roll? It's not funny anymore and is rather annoying.

XKCD jumped the shark.

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Jacob

@WesleyDavid I'd join that syscrowd project thing

@MarkHenderson FTTP>HFC :P

Andrew

4:06 AM

@Jacob tell our probably-next-government that :(

they think the future is wireless! because magic! lalalalala

WesleyDavid

@Andrew Uh oh, what's going on?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Yeah no shit but beggars can't be choosers. My 100Mbps (which peaks at about 120-130Mbps) is 99.99% faster than most others in the country, so I will count my blessings and leave it at that

@Andrew Hah! I know, right

Andrew

@WesleyDavid they want to spend no dollars to get VDSL or HFC or whatever, instead of FTTP and dig up the corroded-to-hell copper

Mark Henderson

Everyone in IT knows that they key to a fast wireless network is to wire as many people as possible

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Microwave! Microwaves everywhere!

Andrew

4:08 AM

@WesleyDavid oh even better. There's this one guy on the radio who reckons we should use...

LASERS!

Mark Henderson

@Andrew And the only people who agree with them are people who want to watch porn on their iPads in the back yard whilst watching the neighbours teenage kids in the pool

WesleyDavid

@Andrew Laser backhauls? They do that in Seattle. Kinda neat, but it's just that: backhauls. I dunno what advantage that has to microwave backhauls.

Mark Henderson

@Andrew So, someone please refer the person who how multi-mode fibre works...

I'm fairly sure that fibre connections use lasers...

Andrew

@WesleyDavid well, they're kinda missing the point that fibre optic uses lasers...

@MarkHenderson yeah, it was Alan Jones and his "never mind fibre, let's use laser!" idiocy

WesleyDavid

@Andrew So something shielded is worse than something over the open air subject to atmosphere. scribbles notes

Mark Henderson

4:11 AM

@Andrew What a knobjockey. My Dad was once tricked into going onto his program (he was told he was going on for something else), and Alan Jones then harangued and harrassed him without warning and attempted to get him to admit to something that was flat out untrue

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Your dad an engineer?

WesleyDavid

Seattle has this thing going on downtown between the big skyscrapers. There was basically a laser stream of backhaul nodes in high windows on a few skyscrapers that was the backbone for some network in town. Seemed neat, but I dunno...

Mark Henderson

@Jacob No, this was about something different

Alan Jones is a talk-back radio host shock-jock who likes to argue with people who are smarter than him

Jacob

@WesleyDavid Kind of similar to how cPanel improves Linux servers

Andrew

@WesleyDavid free-space optics between buildings close to each other would make sense

Jacob

4:13 AM

@MarkHenderson STORY TIME

store.steampowered.com/app/223430

:(

Mark Henderson

@Jacob shrug not much story to it really. My Dad used to run an organisation that represented religions and churches on faith based issues (it had member churches from all the major christians, muslims, and a few other denominations). A part of his duties was doing a lot of media work. Alan Jones tricked him into going onto his radio show (which rates extremely well) to talk about how the churches handle sexual abuse claims

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Well, light is about 50% faster in air than in glass...

Jacob

@freiheit isn't like c/3 in fiber?

Mark Henderson

What he did though was once my Dad was on the phone, connected him to someone who had been sexually abused by a priest or something, without any prior knowledge or warning of what had happened, and expected my Dad to defend his churches and his position without knowing any facts, and tried to rail-road him into making false accusations and saying untrue things

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Fucking radio hosts

Mark Henderson

4:17 AM

After the call, my Dad got someone to track down the other guy on the phone, met up with him, and they sorted out his grievance over lunch. Problem solved.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson sounds like your average episode of Q&A then

Jacob

@MarkHenderson We've got an A-Hole like that en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Mark Henderson

@Jacob This is the same guy who said our prime ministers father died of shame over his daughter (the leader of our country) and that we should put her in a chaff bag and throw her overboard

I don't particularly like the woman, but nobody should have that said about their parents, deceased or not

@Jacob This guy is a hipocrite. In the 80's he was arrested in London for soliciting a male prostitute, but refuses to discuss it and tell what happened. He was fired from a presigious school because he wrote love letters to his male students.

Alan Jones (radio broadcaster)

Alan Belford Jones AO (born 13 April 1941, or possibly 1942 or 1943) is an Australian radio broadcaster. He is a former coach of the Australian National Rugby Union Team and rugby league coach and administrator. He has worked as a school teacher, a speech writer in the office of the Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser, and in musical theatre. He has a Bachelor of Arts from Queensland University, and completed a one-year teaching diploma at Worcester College, Oxford. He has received civil and industry awards. Jones hosts a popular Sydney breakfast radio program, on radio station 2GB. Jones a...

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Shuttup and buy a bike, Eric! #endif //preemptive

Mark Henderson

He's also been sued for "cash for comments" - i.e. being paid to present an editorial

Andrew

4:19 AM

@MarkHenderson how do they not actually know his year of birth? it's not like they're aren't records from that time, is it?

Mark Henderson

He incites racial hate and violence and was pretty much the sole cause for a disgraceful race riot here

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Talk about a diverse career.

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Hah not sure

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Can I just buy some bike clothes this week? I already have 2 bikes...

Jacob

@WesleyDavid I'M TIRED OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING GUY NOT HAVING A MOTHERFUCKING BIKE.

WesleyDavid

4:23 AM

@freiheit Okay, only if it's a onesie and you take picture of you doing muscle poses in it.

Jacob

That needs some starz, like the movie channels

WesleyDavid

@Jacob No, no it doesn't.

=P

Jacob

We need the stuff on the wall now unpinned

WesleyDavid

freiheit

@WesleyDavid But my best muscle poses are with my quads, which the onesie covers...

Mark Henderson

4:25 AM

@WesleyDavid I don't have a bike. I found one once but I put it on the hard rubbish after it wasn't worth repairing

Jacob

@freiheit I was talking about my Samuel Jackson impersonation

Mark Henderson

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Q: Are there any things to avoid when being given a free bike?

Someone has just given me a free mountain bike (No obvious branding on it, but its got a 21-speed Shimano gear system and a shock absorber between the front and back of the bike in the middle of the chassis). It's been sitting in a shed, un-touched for about 2-3 years. It's clearly in need of a ...

mountain-bike

WesleyDavid

So yes, the local riding club recommended a one piece riding get up, but they looked puzzled when I showed up:

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid I would so fuck you if you turned up on my doorstep wearining that

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WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson $1,300 well spent.

freiheit

4:28 AM

WesleyDavid

Maybe I should just walk into the swanky grocery stores wearing that and see if I get women easier.

freiheit

^^^ that's the one piece suit you want, @WesleyDavid

WesleyDavid

@freiheit I like the circle in the crotch. Very subtle.

@freiheit I would so wear that.

freiheit

@WesleyDavid the crotch circle is the chamois (pad) seam

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Hey, some of us don't need to pad.

freiheit

4:30 AM

@WesleyDavid Here are some more ridiculous bicycling outfits

@WesleyDavid The pad is mostly for chafing issues, but the front bit is also partially so we can't tell what religion you are.

(Seriously, the front part of bike shorts really need to be black, because those things really leave nothing to the imagination)

WesleyDavid

@freiheit So you're saying that cycling events can quickly turn into a dating frenzy?

scratches chin and ponders

Mark Henderson

@freiheit The Tron one is pretty cool

freiheit

@MarkHenderson I would almost consider the Tron one. :)

Andrew

@MarkHenderson does it have EL wire?

freiheit

At least the Tron suit is Rule #14 compliant.

Mark Henderson

4:37 AM

@Andrew I have no idea, I suspect not given it would add a few hundred grams to the weight of the suit, but it would be cool if it did

You could put the battery pack near your junk to pad it out a bit

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Would someone really wear a superman one?

freiheit

@WesleyDavid You should watch some cyclocross races... you'd be surprised what people will wear...

WesleyDavid

@freiheit D= The rules! They burn!

freiheit

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Wow, those guys seem like my kinda people.

I should buy a bike.

I'm keeping my eye on local eBay stuff.

And... what was that one place. Bike trader?

freiheit

4:43 AM

@WesleyDavid Yes. I believe I may have said before that you should buy a bike.

@WesleyDavid The Ukranian website from 1997? bikesdirect.com

WesleyDavid

@freiheit localbiketrader.com <-- No, this place is run by domestic terrorists. Very different.

@freiheit Oh, and there are some good biking trails I'm seeing around here in some of the small mountains (Look up "white tanks bike trails" and modify it with "Arizona" if necessary), so I'm back on a CX frame search.

Dunno if I want outright mountain bike frame though because most of my time would probably be on the road. But I'd like the ability to take it onto a dirt trail too.

freiheit

@WesleyDavid I do like my CX bike. Except when it breaks a spoke and is in the shop...

WesleyDavid

@freiheit Is that common? Is it the fault of a bad wheel or just the name of the CX game?

freiheit

@WesleyDavid It happens sometimes. Just the once (thursday on my way home) after about 4500 miles on that bike. Shop's handled it as a warranty repair and my really nice girlfriend is gonna pick it up from the shop for me tomorrow. If a second spoke goes, they'll warranty the whole wheel.

Never had a broken spoke on my surly LHT, but it has more spokes. Did manage to wear out the rear rim, though.

Chris S

FML - call calloc(), returns NULL, sets errno to ENOENT.

Looks up man page:
The malloc() and calloc() functions return a pointer to the allocated
memory if successful; otherwise a NULL pointer is returned and errno is
set to ENOMEM.

and malloc() is giving me the same sh*t

Michael Hampton

4:58 AM

@ChrisS ENOENT?!

Chris S

@MichaelHampton You think I accidentally mistyped ENOMEM and ended up with a different but valid error code?

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Are you using a third party allocator?

Chris S

This thing has been giving me fits all night. Especially since all the problems are my fault.

@MichaelHampton Nope, plain-Jane system call... Maybe the comiler's gone crazy. =]

I'm either staring at the wrong problem, or it's some crazy interaction that I'm not realizing is affecting it.

freiheit

@ChrisS Did you somehow manage to pick compiler options that don't give your program a heap?

Chris S

@freiheit calloc is being called from a library, but it's all simple stuff

Also, there are two previous calls to calloc that are successful.

WesleyDavid

5:18 AM

Those gentlemen observe me. I suspect they are festering in their displeasure at me.

Chris S

ok, apparently calloc isn't failing or something. It's not setting errno; if I set errno = EDOOFUS before the call the same code it returned.

Michael Hampton

EDOOFUS? That's not in my man page...Is it BSD-only?

Chris S

lol; probably

88 EDOOFUS Programming error. A function or API is being abused in a way which could only be detected at run-time.

Michael Hampton

$ grep EDOOFUS /usr/include/*/*.h
$

Chris S

It's in my /usr/include/errno.h

Linux people, no sense of humor

Michael Hampton

5:25 AM

@ChrisS I only use Linux because I never really got into drugs.

Chris S

I'm gonna need some drugs if this thing keep going the way it is...

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS I could dig up some peyote in the desert for a small fee.

Chris S

Damn it - there's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back

WesleyDavid

I hate it when naps make me more tired and disoriented than I was before.

Chris S

Found a typo in the code 30+ minutes ago, fixed recompiled, copied and overwrote symlink to correct location. All the subsequent tries have been copied to the correct location. Test program has been calling borked version copied to wrong location though.

It's always something like that - when it makes absolutely no sense - you're looking at the wrong place

Michael Hampton

5:32 AM

Developers.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton Developers! Developers! Developers!

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid Yes. That's it. Channel your inner Steve Ballmer.

Chris S

Well, it doesn't work, but it least it makes sense now =]

eeck, I think I made it worse

Hot Damn! I fixed it

save, commit, push - goto bed

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS Have a star. And after an exhausting nap, it's time for bed.

Michael Hampton

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Chris S

5:46 AM

eh, I'm dev and ops... =[

Iain

6:13 AM

G'day

Dennis Kaarsemaker

7:18 AM

Oi

Jenny D

7:31 AM

Morning.

I hate Mondays.

Dan

7:44 AM

Morning

Tom O'Connor

8:25 AM

Morning

Does anyone know about NIS?

Jenny D

I know to avoid it...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TomO'Connor Unfortunately I do. Though it's been a decade since I used it.

Dan

8:49 AM

@pauska Done! You almost certainly don't need the GPP stuff in there, I didn't have time to go through and experiment properly once I got everything working how they wanted

pauska

9:03 AM

@Iain can you delete the chatline above with my email addy? forgot :(

Iain

@pauska done :)

pauska

9:50 AM

thanks

syneticon-dj

Woooh. I just noticed typing DBA.SE in square brackets in comments expands to "Database Administrators" with an actual link to the site. Creepy feature creep.

Database Administrators

Seems to work in Chat too.

@Stephane It might have been not worth the effort.

But it is a nice writeup nonetheless

@Stephane oh, I've just seen that you are one of the "old" ones. So you probably know all that already.

Tom O'Connor

10:28 AM

Monday sucks. I wanna go home and code something useful.

tombull89

10:39 AM

Quiet today.

@Chopper3 mornin', saw Iron Man 3 yesterday evening, quite enjoyed it.

Iain

@syneticon-dj do you know about [so],[sf],[su],[about],[faq] ?

syneticon-dj

Nope. Are they documented somewhere?

Iain

probably

syneticon-dj

;-)

Iain

@syneticon-dj c'mon this is a devops shop [about] is documented in meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59445/…

syneticon-dj

10:50 AM

This is some kind of addiction schema, I am sure. "Let the users discover a new feature every day", Jeff thought, "so they would come back daily"

pauska

@Iain haha..

Yes, that smells devops documentation a long way

Iain

I think SE does devops correctly - the devs develop and deploy and they get to fix the things they break and rhe SAs look after the systems

syneticon-dj

Where does the community liaison staff fit in?

Iain

community liason

They work with the mods and the communities and keep the front end all pink and fluffy

Tom O'Connor

@Iain I think SE has the policy that On-call is manned primarily by developers.. Which is a good thing, generally.

syneticon-dj

11:03 AM

@Iain is this as official as it can get BTW regarding the changelog of the Things?

I wonder what would happen if they opened up their bugs database to the public

Iain

@TomO'Connor Yes, I asked G about it ages ago and he said they basically the devs fix their own deployment problems but call on them if required

@syneticon-dj As far as I know yes.

@syneticon-dj essentially they [have ](meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/bug)

Tom O'Connor

I'm in an ops job atm where the devs and the ops aren't on the same page.

so everything feels like it's been hacked about to make it work

Iain

:(

Tom O'Connor

rather than having the ops guys provide architectural insight.

syneticon-dj

I don't know what they are using (FogCreek's fogbugz?) but I had something like Bugzilla in mind.

Tom O'Connor

11:08 AM

This is the problem (i think).. With big companies that are old.

Like 20-30 years old, rather than 5 years old.

Also this websense proxy blocking shit is starting to get on my tits.

syneticon-dj

@TomO'Connor the good news: they tend to become bankrupt and fire all the employees, some of whom in turn are likely to found startups and do things differently.

tombull89

@TomO'Connor Where are you that uses websense?

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 UTC Aerospace Systems.

no chance of them going bust.. they're HUGE

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jscott

@TomO'Connor I wonder if that's what Kodak employees used to say.

syneticon-dj

Well, maybe there's a chance of a takeover by EADS then :)

Tom O'Connor

11:12 AM

@jscott Kodak weren't a defence contractor.

jscott

@TomO'Connor Is that so?

Tom O'Connor

@syneticon-dj hah.

@jscott not specifically, anyway.

jscott

:)

Tom O'Connor

Lunchtime! :D

jscott

It was my understanding that was all left at the bottom of the barrel they've been scraping.

tombull89

11:13 AM

my brother did work experience in a defense contractors place, they desingned and make suspension for tanks.

Cold T

afternoon all

Dan

One of my old school mates is an engineer for Goodrich Actuation Systems. Fascinating work, but having known him at school it's a scary thought

Cold T

does anyone know if its possible to deny logon to an local administrator account but allow 'run-as' rights?

RobM

@ColdT not sure. What happens if you deny interactive logins for a test account then try to use it for Run As?

Cold T

@RobM will give it a go

RobM

11:23 AM

good luck, that's the only idea I have anyway

Dan

That's what I'd do

Configuration / Windows Settings / Security Settings / Local Policy User Rights Assignment

`Deny Logon Locally`

RobM

it'll either work or tell you to do one nice and quickly, no time wasted

syneticon-dj

RunAs uses the "Log on as a service" privilege AFAIK

RobM

in that case it should work

interesting idea actually

ewwhite

11:37 AM

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Jenny D

@ewwhite "I edited the values myself... I mean I made them up" KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE

jscott

12:02 PM

Whoa, five months?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@jscott I want his name so I can put him on the hiring blacklist :)

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I know someone from my days at Birmingham who now works for them.

Dan

12:25 PM

@TomO'Connor Interesting trade, I imagine

ewwhite

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