The Comms Room

MIfe

9:01 PM

@cole Whats the old job doing? Anti-perspirant effectiveness engineer?

cole

lulz

ewwhite

@JoelESalas I need your cloud skills.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Hit me

ewwhite

and I need to know what's up with storage...

Matt Bear

ewwhite

9:03 PM

and I need some LA help

Nathan C

I think this server's fscked

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Storage is still me testing stuff, worked through the weekend on it. Still not ready

Michael Hampton

kuulapaa.com/home/highspeed.html

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Ready when you are for it

ewwhite

@JoelESalas should I call?

Joel E Salas

9:04 PM

@ewwhite Sure, I've got a few minutes

cole

Anyone running WMF 4.0 on Windows 8? @mdmarra @jscott @RyanRies ?

Ryan Ries

I don't have any 8 left, it's all 8.1

cole

fff

I don't think we have keys for 8.1

Or will my VLK work with 8.1?

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton he does some great work

cole

Keep getting this error trying to install WMF 4.0:

Ry Jones

9:12 PM

@cole our 8.0 VMs upgraded to 8.1 easily, I haven't done new installs but I assume since our VLKs worked for an upgrade they'd work for an install

cole

@RyJones hmmm interesting - thanks.

I may try it

Just a bitch to reinstall Notes and config it if not

Ry Jones

why not upgrade instead of a fresh install?

cole

Well I'm saying if my key doesnt work for it

then I'm SOL

I'll probably just do it

FUCK IT

Ry Jones

I wasn't asked for a key. I upgraded two retail installs and a bunch of VLK VMs and never got asked for it

Nathan C

gah...now my RADIUS auth for wifi's not working :(

cole

9:14 PM

@RyJones ok cool thanks

MDMarra

@cole Sorry brosive

all 8.1 in my world

Nathan C

and it was the other day...freeRADIUS reports it fine, my phone hangs for a while then spits out an invalid password. :/

cole

I'll just upgrade to 8.1 #yolo #twerkingdatwindows

MDMarra

@RyJones @cole Enterprise is a new key, Pro is the same key

cole

@MDMarra sweet, pretty sure mine is Protato

MDMarra

9:15 PM

(90% sure of that statement, anyway)

cole

Yep mine's pro

sweet jesus

I'll update it when I get home

Ryan Ries

The crashiness of IE11 on Win7 is starting to get on my nerves... It's better on 8.1 but still not as stable as I think it should be.

MDMarra

I haven't had any issues

You using super 1337 plugins?

Ryan Ries

I'll disable all my plugins, that will probably help

"add ons"

Just the Office ones mainly, but that doesn't mean they don't still suck

Oh and god damn Symantec

Bet you a jillion dollars that is the culprit

Matt Bear

cole

9:20 PM

Symantec fucks everything up.

DC not replicating? Fucking Symantec.

such heartburn. much pain. wow.

Ryan Ries

Yes... yes it does... Symantec was also causing my laptop to go into a crash and race condition frenzy whenever I had Outlook open, I had to crack open WinDbg to finally figure out that it was the Symantec E-Vault plugin in Outlook causing it all.

cole

I think my laptop needs 16GB of memory

Nathan C

I'm confused why this isn't working :( it was just working fine the other day

Matt Bear

@NathanC is it powered on?

Nathan C

@MattBear BLARG! >.> of course...

but, will deal with it tomorrow..

Matt Bear

9:30 PM

@NathanC I'm from the gummnit, I'm here to help.

Nathan C

heh

Joel E Salas

10:14 PM

@ewwhite Why no 15K disks?

Falcon Momot

hmm, now I am looking for even more sysadmins.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@FalconMomot there are no sysadmins in here

Falcon Momot

@DennisKaarsemaker I know. it was a long shot.

come work with meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@FalconMomot can I work remotely and will you pay me in real money?

Ryan Ries

Payment in dogecoins

Joel E Salas

10:17 PM

@DennisKaarsemaker Yes, you'll receive one pittance to be paid out in 20 monthly installments of 1/20th of a pittance

Falcon Momot

I'd have to ask; I think mostly we're trying to find someone who is able to occasionally hang at our datacentre in washington state

but like

we do have infinite work from home, completely flexible hours, and stuff

Dennis Kaarsemaker

neh, washington state is boring

Joel E Salas

@DennisKaarsemaker I love seattle :3

Falcon Momot

witness: I got up at 1330h today and am currently sitting at my computer not even fully dressed, slacking.

MIfe

@FalconMomot Do I get to pick a superhero name like you too?

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Falcon Momot

10:18 PM

@MIfe if you want! this is my actual name though.

MIfe

I know. You lucky bastard.

Falcon Momot

:D

Dennis Kaarsemaker

yeah, not all of us have parents who were smoking something that strong when deciding on a name :)

Falcon Momot

I think it should be the law.

freiheit

@FalconMomot So, you're looking to hire sysadmins, and you don't mention first thing that it's a pants-optional job?

Falcon Momot

10:19 PM

@freiheit it's totally pants-optional.

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MIfe

@FalconMomot The commute would be a bit tough for me ;)

Falcon Momot

and, if I happen to be going to a rave after work, it's fine to dress the same way for both, if I happen to come into the office.

and whoever it is gets to be sysadmin for a bunch of hackers and some ex-government men. nobody needs basic IT support.

freiheit

I wonder how my work would react if I showed up in a kilt...

Ry Jones

@FalconMomot how many data center visits are we talking?

MIfe

But, if you wake up to find yourself dead, dont go running to falcon.

Falcon Momot

10:22 PM

@RyJones no idea; I'm not the person to ask. I believe it's basically the "if you're good, annually"

the DC is only in everett

so not that far

Ry Jones

@FalconMomot I will ping someone I know that's looking

Falcon Momot

and you can go to that awesome gamer bar in the same trip... what was that place called?

@RyJones I'd be eternally in your debt.

Ry Jones

@FalconMomot I've heard of it but never gone.

Falcon Momot

remembering the names of bars is hard

Ry Jones

they used to spam /r/seattle so I used to know the name easily

Falcon Momot

10:24 PM

it's on my list of places to visit

not even 2 weeks until I come back!

well, ok, 2 weeks less a day

Ry Jones

afktavern.com

Falcon Momot

right, AFK.

I also have to come back to metrix and solder up my jtagulator (we got special edition jtagulators as the badge at hushcon)

and my half-finished entropy generator

Ry Jones

@FalconMomot Peter Biddle and I were tweeting about that

(entropy)

Falcon Momot

who's peter again?

Ry Jones

Peter Biddle

Peter Nicholas Biddle (born December 22, 1966) is a computer software promoter from the United States. Career Biddle joined Microsoft in 1990. Biddle was one of the first authors to describe the concept of darknet, a founder of the Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI), Copy Protection Technical Working Group, and Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, an early technical evangelist for DVD and digital video recorder technology, the founding leader of Microsoft’s Next-Generation Secure Computing Base (code named Palladium) initiative, and was responsible for starting Microsoft's Hyper...

Falcon Momot

10:28 PM

oh dear, he seems very pro-DRM

Ry Jones

I wouldn't quite say that

Falcon Momot

I might be tempted to set him on fire if I ever met him

!

to be behind palladium

I mean

he gave a big boost to the EFF I guess

unless he had something else in mind?

I mean, I'm happy to give people the benefit of the doubt

MIfe

Trusted computing isn't all about DRM you know.

Falcon Momot

well, no, of course not

SDMI is though

and trusted computing is not so trustworthy because of the trust it requires you to place in certain things

and then there is the bootloader signing thing

these things are usually things that make people I like yowl in pain

MIfe

@FalconMomot SDMI doesn't seem to have anything to do really with trusted computing.

Falcon Momot

10:33 PM

no, it's different.

DRM is but one use of trusted computing

MIfe

Personally I'd love a TPM chip in some of my servers.

Falcon Momot

and really, a strong focus for palladium

MIfe

Some laptops come with them.

Falcon Momot

you probably do have a TPM chip in there! I have one in two of my laptops.

MIfe

@FalconMomot thats true if you cant take ownership of the device, then its a problem.

Falcon Momot

10:34 PM

I like them for FDE use and also for the hwrng

MIfe

But you can according to the spec, if you cant then its not really a tpm chip.

Falcon Momot

lol, no, not thinking about that

MIfe

My servers dont have them, i've already checked :(.

It would make for a (reasonably secure) CA box.

Falcon Momot

no!

you should avoid trusting the TPM manufacturer.

MIfe

How would you acheive it then?

Falcon Momot

10:36 PM

if you are a CA

you probably have enough capital to design yourself an HSM you can trust

MIfe

Um, no I'm not talking about a public CA, an internal CA.

Sorry -- should have mentioned that ;)

For a public CA you'd need something much stronger.

Falcon Momot

for that, you could probably use it, but really a java smartcard might be as safe

if not safer

MIfe

Perhaps, that could work too. If its supports pkcs#11 well enough.

Some claim to but dont..

Falcon Momot

mm

MIfe

Do smart tokens permit you to generate certificates with the CA flag set?

Falcon Momot

10:42 PM

I don't see why not

ewwhite

@JoelESalas hello... 15k disks?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite According to David they're hard to get? What's the story

ewwhite

@JoelESalas 15k disks don't make much of a difference once you factor in the entire stack.

they're not worth the money...

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Pretty much everyone we've spoken to says "You gotta get 15K disks man"

ewwhite

So you have two server disk form factors today... 2.5" and 3.5"

Michael Hampton

10:45 PM

I liked my 15K SAS disks... five years ago!

ewwhite

2.5" come in 72, 146, 300, 450, 600, 900, 1200GB varieties...

3.5" come in 300, 450, 600GB varieties.

all 3.5" disks enterprise disks sold in today's market are 15k RPM

for 2.5" disks, only 72, 146, 300 and 600GB are available at 15k RPM.

10k RPM is far more common in the 2.5" form-factor

Michael Hampton

And the downside is...

ewwhite

Cost.

but if you're IOPS bound, SSD makes more sense.

10k versus 15k, abstracted over your RAID controller, cache, tiering, network, filesystem, etc...

Ryan Ries

RamSan to the rescue

ewwhite

@JoelESalas easy to measure disk-busy figures to see what's really up

@MichaelHampton it doesn't matter much anymore, right?

Joel E Salas

10:52 PM

@ewwhite Ahhh gotcha. Ok, thank you for clarifying

ewwhite

@JoelESalas I mean, it matters a little... but I don't ever advocate anyone buying 15k disks today

but I'll sell them if people ask

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite because the caching layer is what's supposed to smooth things out

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I am a firm believer in SSDs... or will be when the cost comes down a little more.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas So someone help me here... what's storage all about?

People ask me all-day, every day about how fast their SSDs are...

600 Megabytes/second, YARRRR!!!

but that doesn't matter unless the workload is sequential.

the IOPS really matter in most situations...

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite The application matters :)

Michael Hampton

10:56 PM

seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/solid-state-hybrid/1200-ssd

ewwhite

and 15k disks can perform more operations than 10k disks... but that's a function of many other things.

Michael Hampton

12Gb/sec SAS, eh? Where can you even find a controller for that?

MIfe

Dont forget for small datasets, more ram is probably better ;)

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton they're out there now.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Ha. I should probably shop more.

ewwhite

10:57 PM

New HPs... New LSI controllers. There's even a new connector

Those things look like they're out for blood!

Michael Hampton

So all my old cables are worthless now?

Ryan Ries

The Eve Online server cluster in London, runs MS SQL and 4 RamSans

ewwhite

@MIfe right, so there's a lot that goes into it. My general recommendation is to assess your working set of data @JoelESalas... and profile existing operations

I think I forgot my Facebook password.