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7:00 PM
@WesleyDavid No no, that's a different category (Wrath)
Wrath:
[ ] None
[ ] Regular
[ ] Righteous
[ ] Squirrely...
 
Quake in terror at my Squirrely Kitteh Wrath! marks silk plant
 
kitty???
2 days and he claimed his spot on the new computer desk
 
7:24 PM
Oh dear, I feel a rage coming on
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Q: RHEL 6.3 High Availabilty Add on with Resillient storage - db2 failover cluster

Scott HallenbeckHow do you setup and configure a DB2 resource and service within the cluster under RHEL6.3 / HA-Add on?

take a look at the guy's comment
 
@Chopper3 I'll get the popcorn, you guys want anything?
 
@ChrisS Good lad ;)
 
@Chopper3 Meh; I think you handled it very well. If he's got any complaints it's his own problem.
 
why do these have to be closed? the ensuing argument would be more comical
 
I didn't think I was anything other than clear
@lsiunsuex To be fair I need to cook and start packing for vacation so I didn't have time but yeah, you're right
 
7:28 PM
@Chopper3 Doesn't DB2 cost an arm and two legs?? I'd be calling support in a heartbeat for that price.
 
@ChrisS AND i don't think you can purchase anything from IBM and not pay for support - its in the price usually - even more reason to call for help
 
I literally don't know - I'd never consider it for anything, not even for say sorting a 26-row list of alphabetic characters
 
Everything I'm finding is comparing the price of DB2 to Oracle....
 
@Chopper3 DB2 is an O(1) database.
Scales great.
 
@lsiunsuex However much (pity? I don't know what other feeling it is) I feel about IBM I never forget that they're the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel - so I'm thankful for that
 
7:30 PM
DB2 Express - 1 concurrent user & 1 CPU = $600
 
@voretaq7 I know what it is, I've just got no use for it
 
Need to select a billion rows out of a trillion row table? It'll take 5 minutes.
Need to select one row out of a 2 row table? It'll take 5 minutes.
WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE?
@Chopper3 I live in fear someone will drop a mainframe on me...
 
@voretaq7 Need to select a billion rows out of a trillion row table I'll use Teradata thanks :)
 
Like literally drop the hardware on me.
@Chopper3 but... but... it's BLUE!
 
* psst, tell you secret * I started out on mainframes, I do not brag about that
 
7:32 PM
::holds up IBM Logo::
We put STRIPES in it! STRIPES! :-)
@Chopper3 :shows Z/OS support society chip:
 
I was more s/390 myself
 
@Chopper3 Somewhere in Manhattan is an AS/400 running in emulation mode...
I feel bad for those gerbils.
 
oh man, that guy doesn't seem to understand how little he gave us in that question
 
@Chopper3 that's because he wants a step by step tutorial which obviously doesn't require him to give us any info
 
:)
 
7:41 PM
at any reasonable (even subcontinental) $/Hr a month to get nowhere would be cheaper to hire somone who can do it
 
I've only just realised that that DB2 dude hasn't even mentioned what version he's running. Also RHEL 6.3's only been out 42 days, does he really expect DB2 of all fucking things to just run perfectly, in just about its most complex configuration - without a hitch and there be a bunch of us all trained up in this comparatively little used product sat waiting to answer his malformed brainfart?
 
All I heard was "IBM told us it's an unsupported configuration and we're going to try anyway"
 
There are only 60 questions
 
8:03 PM
@Iain there are only 60 db2 installations in the world :P
 
haha
 
@Chr
@ChrisS if you can, please point me to more basic documentation for better understanding.
 
@hari How much detail do you need -- i.e. Anything you ned that you don't get from Wikipedia‌​?
(I know their table format blows, but from a user/feature-seeker's perspective that covers them all pretty well
 
It never fails to amaze me how many supposedly technical people fail to understand the difference between a forum and a mailing list.
not understanding the Q&A site vs forum difference is only slightly more understandable. If you're a turnip.
 
How cloud mah computairs?
 
8:14 PM
@voretaq7 Thanks. I will go back and do my homework of reading more basics about virtualization in general.
 
@JeffFerland Boeing dreamliner
 
@Adrian eh, the distinction between Q&A site and Forum is pretty blurry
we discuss forum-style in comments even though we "shouldn't"
@Iain with exploding engine!
 
@Iain I did think about telling an asker that they answer to "clouding their GPUs so they would work together" would be to run a flight simulator...
 
(Just so Airbus doesn't feel bad)
 
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Q: How to make cloud computing with 2 PC

MironlineMy application ( written by .net ) use GPU to calculate some procedure. I would like to know, how can I make cloud computing using two PC to use both GPUs? Do I need special Motherboard and which OS should I use for this purpose.

The stupid, it burns me!
 
8:15 PM
I like the old title better. "How to cloud 2 PC to use both GPUs"
 
Heh - he just edited that Q. Not sure if that made it any better or worse.
 
That being his best effort, or attempt at improvement... definitely worse.
 
@voretaq7 One's meant for extended discussion, the former is not.
 
Although, I could make that question more on-topicy, if anyone wants.

I has small datacenter with many GPUs and processors. How do I cloud them to make my website faster?
 
@Adrian In the perfect world where every question has one and only one right answer that model works very well.
One day I will pack up my things and move to Theory. Everything works there, so they tell me.
 
8:22 PM
Well, everything except politics, I hear.
 
@HopelessN00b that's still nonsensical... and I'm not sure that's what they'er asking (the word website never entered their original question)
 
Right, right that would be my version of the question. As it would apply to my environment. And... urm, "clouding" stuff together.
 
And my faith in humanity's been crushed. Somebody actually upvoted the "cloud my computers" question.
 
@HopelessN00b I'll cloud *YOU you little.... ::brandishes lightning bolt::
 
I am too lazy to look myself, does the stackexchange data browser have a link to the production databases, or is that only updated when they do a dump?
 
8:27 PM
@Zoredache pretty sure it only runs on extracts
 
@Adrian I choose to believe that was a misclick. Or a really funny joke.
 
Well I am disappoint. I am slightly curious to know if the percentage of questions getting closed is higher this month.
 
@Zoredache 27th Jun is the latest dump
 
I am wondering if it is time to ask the them(stackex) to force everyone to click past the how to ask page like they do over on stackoverflow for low-rep users.
 
@Zoredache The SE framework should be deducting 25 rep from whoever voted to migrate a question that ends up getting closed as crap.
 
8:31 PM
@Zoredache there has been a bump this month
 
@Adrian I asked for that. I got downvoted to China on mSO.
 
shocking.
 
waves (first time for me reading this chat). Hopefully without being half asleep and missing tags despite explicitly looking for them.
 
Yup, definitely your first time. Only tags we got here are about effing orphans and chocking markdowns. Or something like that.
 
8:45 PM
@voretaq7 because that's where the crap comes from?
 
@Adrian The stack overflows and crap gets all over the floor.
 
@Hennes Nice. Fighting the good fight over at SU, I see.
 
@Iain If you don't chock your markdown it rolls downhill into the ravine...
 
@voretaq7 And crap definitely gathers more crap as it rolls downhill.
 
@Adrian ...mSO must be the bottom then?
well... mSO might drain into the chat-markdown-parser routines...
but that's more fine composted crap than raw sewage
 
8:47 PM
@voretaq7 Now THAT would explain a lot!
 
I try to. I just follow SU and SF. SU questions seem so much easier. Maybe because I answered a few to many of those before I got a lot more critical about what I posted.
Some of my old posts make me cringe. Usually made late at night, full of typos and lacking examples
 
@Hennes that's easily fixed
 
You know, I thought about trolling SU once, but I gave up when I couldn't come up with anything worse than the average content in those parts.
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Many of the typos are fixed by others. I do not mind that. I know English is not my native language and I will make error with "to" and "too" etc. But some post with a typo in each sentence make me cringe. Even after I reread the post twice before pressing the post button.
 
Happens to everyone. I always proofread my posts, and still end with cringe-inducing typos.
 
8:54 PM
@Hennes If we have to correct "too" versus "t[w]o" and "your" versus "you're" more than once we have the ELU people come and "talk" to you.
 
@HopelessN00b I was responsible for this gem, earlier. serverfault.com/questions/415156/…
 
(and by "talk" I mean "Beat with grammar textbooks" :-)
it's cruel, but you learn quickly (the best places to hide)
 
@voretaq7 I'd rather have ELO come talk to me. That would be Cool.
 
@voretaq7 "too" versus "to" shirley ?
 
Nods.
 
8:56 PM
@Iain yeah that too
 
Airplaine reference?
 
@Hennes aye
 
(waits for scream)
 
@voretaq7 Youtube is blocked at the office. I'll subject myself to that later
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I actually was hoping for the Electric Light Orchestra!
 
8:58 PM
@RoryAlsop Sorry, monkeys paw only grants fucked up variants of wishes that make you reach for the industrial strength brain-bleach.
 
LOL
my lead singer is at a zoo this week - he has promised to bring me a whole monkey. Wonder if that will work...
 
5 o'clock.... time to wake up and go home, I guess.
 
^ Warning, contains Foamy the Squirrel ^
Youtube really needs to thumbnail links to time codes.
 
Now I am a foamy addict - must getz moar
 
@RoryAlsop I kinda got tired of Foamy after 4-5 years. I do still follow The Oatmeal though.
 
9:04 PM
@Adrian I have now seen my first 5 foamy vids - am still at the pissing myself stage :-)
 
New Foamy is not as good as Old Foamy. You still get occasional gems though like "long-lasting multi-generational psychological trauma"
I should go play the Star-Shmucks ones at a starbucks one day and see how long before they kick me out (or start laughing)
 
9:17 PM
The Starbucks here are damn near at the Coffee Nazi phase, sending you to the back of the line if you don't order in the proper leet-speak.
I quit going to the one that's closest because the store manager kept correcting me when I order a breve'.
 
I order a medium sized coffee please
none of this nonsense
 
@RoryAlsop SPARE ME the UNDERTASTE!
 
@voretaq7 hahahaha - Caffe Nero are actually more relaxed about it here, so I tend to go to them for all my non-Irn Bru caffeine needs
 
@Adrian I order a large black coffee, light roast. You deliver me a large black coffee, light roast. You give me shit, I go elsewhere.
I'll admit it IS fun to see the look of irritation when you order "Large black coffee" and then when your friends ask what you got you repeat the order in starbucks lingo.
 
@voretaq7 now that is on my list of ways to cheer up my morning - thanks :-)
 
9:27 PM
@voretaq7 Irritates me that I have to order a Venti almond half & half breve latte instead of a "large almond breve"
 
when they ask if I want Venti or other nonsense, I just repeat" medium coffee to go" and smile
right time for my demijohn of sloe gin, with a slice of lemon, crushed in ice. Bye.
 
I mean really. WTF else is a breve' other than a latte with half & half?
 
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Q: Why aren't my SATA drives being detected by my LSI 1068E Dell SAS6/ir HBA card?

Zac BContext: I have a Dell SAS6/ir HBA card (pciex8), and several SATA drives. I have two SFF-8484 to 4x SATA cables, which fit correctly onto the HBA (but were purchased separately, new). The manual for the HBA is here. These are the exact cables I bought. Problem: I connect the HBA to my mother...

 
And I really hate having to train the newbies on what the codes are for my particular order.
 
@MichaelHampton and ...
 
9:30 PM
@Adrian why not just have a card printed up with the codes on it and hand it to them?
@MichaelHampton "Check your logs. Update your firmware. Call your vendor." <- in that order please :-)
@LucasKauffman COOKIE!
 
@voretaq7 hehehe.
 
mmmm I suggest had someone recommend Nginx to me for dynamic content...
against apache
 
@LucasKauffman no reason NOT to use it...
e.g. our current environment is all Passenger/Ruby - nginx would be just as good as Apache for that
 
I've also caught them writing my name as 'Adrienne' on the coffee cup. I reached over, took the cup out of their hand, and fixed it. They were slightly offended though.
 
@Adrian Somehow I think you have more of a right to be offended about that...
 
9:34 PM
I'm 6' tall, had a 4-day beard, and was wearing a grungy biker jacket. Definitely don't look like an 'Adrienne'.
 
@Adrian ya one o' dem lezz-beee-uhns?
@LucasKauffman What's the Nagios UI in these days?
 
@voretaq7 standard one is cgi (perl I think), but theres a lightweight alternative in php-apc
 
...and since when do we have a raspberry pi site?
 
since they were announced
 
9:37 PM
@voretaq7 Yeah no. I have been known to sit outside and compare notes with lesbian friends about some of the local fauna as it passes by though.
 
IDK that PHP would be "lighter" than CGI/nginx in this case
 
tough day
 
@Adrian bird watching? :)
 
did I miss anything?
 
@voretaq7 u recon cgi is faster with nginx?
 
9:38 PM
@voretaq7 Pretty much. Life was much more entertaining when the City's Administrative offices was still across the street from our building
 
@LucasKauffman It's a Raspberry Pi. How many concurrent users are you going to have logging into it again?
 
@MichaelHampton max like 2 maybe
 
BTW, do you really think the web interface is going to be the slow part, and not the checking?
 
Oh yes, good point. I can't wait to see what that thing does when Nagios actually goes out to run its checks. Keep a fire extinguisher handy.
 
9:48 PM
Oh, I know which one of those four is not like the others... :p
 
Hmmph
any of you guys ever move for a job?
 
I think the real question is can a Raspberry Pi host more websites than TomTom's phone.
 
I'd be interested in a per-capita breakdown of that same medals table.
 
@ewwhite no, but I'd consider it if a good job somewhere worth living came my way.
 
@ewwhite I have
 
9:49 PM
was it worth it?
 
@ewwhite My folks do about every 18 months. =( Makes it a right pain to buy airline tickets for the holidays
 
I've thought about it and decided not to.
 
@ewwhite Finally moving two years after starting the job. Good bye 1.5 hour commute... Helllloooo 25 minutes.
 
@ewwhite Only when the employer pays, but it's better than not working at all.
 
I'm at that point, apparently...
 
9:50 PM
Really? Anywhere good?
 
@Adrian 500 million in the EU
 
Yeah - it was worth it. Depends on where you're starting (in career and physical terms) and where you're ending up, obviously, but if I had to do it again I definitely would.
 
@LucasKauffman I'd say CGI is about the same
memory is going to be your deciding factor
 
@LucasKauffman That's what I was thinking. Y'all are packed in a little tight over there.
 
@rnxrx I'm mid-career... it's not about the money... but the job would require a move to NY.
 
9:51 PM
@Adrian well if we share the debts, we also share the profits :p
 
@ewwhite Is the job the point of interest or the possibility of living in NY?
 
@ewwhite I moved 150 miles
 
@ewwhite or something completely different
 
The job is interesting. I am established in Chicago. Own property, etc.
but I don't want to kick myself for turning down good opportunities, either.
 
@ewwhite I moved from Rochester NY to Seattle with my now-Ex about 15 years ago. It was definitely worth it though since the job market in Rochester was smaller and more saturated for both our fields.
 
9:55 PM
I suppose another part of the question is - is it just you? Or would you have to uproot family? And how easily do you make friends?
 
@DJPon3 Eh, I do okay... me + wife.
and puppy
 
Chicago is a very good market. NY is obviously bigger - it's a whole other universe, really (assuming you're talking the city) and if you established yourself there you could go in any number of directions you probably couldn't anywhere else (short of London, Tokyo, etc)
 
But we didn't own much, only had about 3000lbs of stuff including all our books and 3 bookshelves and my car.
 
@rnxrx I mean, I have offers in hand... and it's the reality of making it all happen now.
 
so it would mean uprooting her too but if that's not too much of an issue, then its not like you'd be sat at home by yourself in a place where you don't know people...
 
9:56 PM
I know people in NY as well, but it's such a big jump in $$$.
(to live there... not in salary)
 
That'd be what would kill any job offer I might get in NY, I think. Having to triple my current salary just to keep up with the cost of living out there.
 
@ewwhite I hear you.. a ton of moving parts (no pun intended). Even so it all comes down to a single decision at some point. A huge point here is just if you like NY... it's its own thing. I don't mind visiting it but have turned down jobs there, but others absolutely adore it.
 
Quickie: Want this or no?
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Q: Job Deferred even though nodes are available

amosEvery once in a while, I run into this frustrating scenario where jobs that I have submitted don't run, even though there are resources available. This time, I think the problem might be related to one of the nodes crashing while jobs were sitting in the queue. I'm not sure how it's supposed to r...

 
@rnxrx I could afford it, but what of my properties in Chicago?
 
@slhck not really, its not a great question
 
9:59 PM
@slhck I can't even tell what the hell OS or app he's talking about... seems like relevant information that should be included.
 
@ewwhite I'd hold them and rent them out, if possible.. if you're going to live in the city there's no way you should be buying for at -least- a year. If you don't like it, you go back to Chicago and your property is still waiting.
 
what hopelessnoob said. That's why I don't want to see it come over, people who have complex questions but don't want to give up the info are heartsinks
 
It's not like you're taking a steamship to Ellis Island, or something..
 
Probably true...
 
And NYC isn't -that- bad once you get outside of Manhattan... It's comparable to the really expensive parts of Chicago, SF, LA, etc
(in terms of $$$)
 
10:02 PM
Alright, thanks @HopelessN00b @DJPon3, I'll let them know to add some (whatever) details
 
Hmm... I'm a competitive cyclist. Few outlets in NY, it seems.
 
Really?! I'd think there would be a ton, but it might be a bit outside the city.
Look as far up as Albany or as far down as Philly or Delaware
and, of course, NJ - I have to believe there's a lot of that sort of thing
 
I'm sure of it. but eww...
:)
 
heh... yeah - NJ was explained to me once as having three parts - the paved part, the green part and the sandy part.
 
*shudder*

I hate driving across the city to get to work... and you're talking about driving up state or off to another state? *shudder*
 
10:04 PM
Another state is across a bridge... actually a couple of them
 
geez, and will I find parking?
:)
 
heh - the answer to that one is no..
but - you could also potentially not have a car at all
rent one when you want to take your bike somewhere, but otherwise do without
 
Just paid-off my BMW... can't let that go to waste!
I probably wouldn't need a car in NY
 
leave it in Chicago in a garage
once you love it NY and buy something with a garage (or a parking space) then bring it
but don't end up in a spot where you're dropping $1K+ per month for a short-term parking space, plus the insurance hit when you don't even know if you'd need it to commute to work
 
parking... wow
 
10:09 PM
Think of it this way. Do you really want to go live in a town where you can't buy a large soda?
 
@Zoredache I saw a sign at a pizzeria that read, "get your 40oz soda here! (before you can't buy them anymore)"
 
why is everybody beating up Dickless Workstation guy?
 
wha?
 
Am I the only person who worked on a machine that had to tftp-boot and rely on the kindness of NFS to work?
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Q: PXE boot Linux - what goes where?

JustJeffI have an IA64 machine that can boot via PXE, and want to boot a live Fedora 17. I do not want to install it, I just want to run as though booting the live CD. For a server I have (read: am stuck with) a windows XP SP 3 host with a DHCP and TFTP server on it. Googling has turned up too much in...

^ That dude
who asked a good question in an awful way
link the question stupid machine
also I really want to change the title to KERNEL GOES WHERE?!? and paste the Penis Goes WHERE?!? cat image...
 
I've done diskless workstation images with Mac clients and server before.
 
10:18 PM
 
He's not helping himself by saying his server is Windows XP. Not just with setting off people's "migrate to superuser" radar, but lets be honest here, with getting the fucking thing to work. Ever.
 
@DJPon3 yeah, SFU/SUA isn't supported AT ALL on XP last I checked
(though SUA's NFS server is great)
 
@voretaq7 No, that's how LTSP used to work. It uses NBD nowadays.
 
@Adrian wossa NBD?
 
Never tried it, not for serious business anyway. If I had to count on NFS for something, I'd just use one of the many Unixes out there to host it, for the same reason that if I had to have something on NTFS then I'd put it on a windows box, not Linux with a funky file system option.
 
10:21 PM
@DJPon3 Nothing funky about NFS - its quirks are well-documented
(and I'm serious @Adrian what's NBD -- something that sucks more, or something that sucks less? :-)
 
@voretaq7 Network Block Device protocol. It seems to suck less than NFS and it's pretty fast on our GX260s.
 
You misunderstand me. I'm saying that I'd host NFS on a Unix box, where it might reasonably said to be native, just as if I needed to store data on NTFS I'd use a Windows box.
 
To be honest, I've not had to fsck with it. The thing just works straight out of the box on Ubuntu.
 
all hardware sucks and all software sucks :-)
 
@DJPon3 Unless it doesn't. And some of the LTSP stuff is pretty damn smooth nowadays.
It used to take me days of futzing and fiddling to get the LTSP stuff to work right. Nowadays it comes out perfectly via the Ubuntu install process.
 
10:26 PM
I know what you're saying but for me, everything in IT sucks given the time and chances to do so. This isn't an attack on one technology choice or another, just an observation about the still relatively immature state of our profession.
And now having been far too serious for chat, I'll apologise for that and bid you all a goodnight as its damn late here and I can barely keep my eyes open
 
@DJPon3 No worries. Not my first rodeo either. We've been doing LTSP here at our agency since 2003.
 
@DJPon3 Immature? Yeah? Well... well.... YOU'RE IMMATURE!
^ I find it better to think of all the people who ask awful questions as if they were Gibson.
It's just so hard to drown a cute kitty-cat
 
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Q: Rare downtime period on web server

jawilson[snipped] not a good question!

I hate when people do that.
 
@MichaelHampton Agreed. Voted to delete.
 
@ErikA I can't do that yet.
 
10:41 PM
I need a good BALEETED static image
 
@voretaq7 Nothing good on Google Image Search?
 
@MichaelHampton there's one with a Llama or something
 
wonder whether I could ask on English SE if that should be an llama
:-)
 
It's an alpaca...
and they're similar...
proof by "I don't give a shit, mangle the language"!
 
11:00 PM
perfect - "there's one with an alpaca" - solves the problem beautifully.
Unless it's a guanaco
or a vicuna
or huarizo
 
A ruminant.
Solved.
Also kosher/halal depending on how we kill it (and what shape its foot is), and probably damn tasty!
 
What is "burst memory"?
 
@ewwhite Messy. Also the reason we have swap files.
 
oopsie
 
(I assume it's the VPS equivalent of "Burstable Bandwidth" ?)
 
11:13 PM
:( terrible
 
bbl - head shavins'
 

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