The Comms Room

12:08 AM

swear to god, i've worked with some fucked up systems in my life, but none of them, NONE OF THEM, are as difficult as Apples iOS provisioning portal for developers

how can a company thats so good at making shit easy be so bad at such an important process

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Only in nginx

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I agree. The first thing I think of when I see apache is the fastest way to replace it.

Joel E Salas

Am I mildly retarded or are cable management arms kind of useless? Or both?

Aaron Copley

This is turning into a nightmare. Any one remember me talking about a dev team making me migrate their environment from VMware to KVM? Surprise... They want to go back to VMware. And qemu-convert is a P.O.S. Out of 8 VMs converted, 2 won't start in VMware now.

I'm going to be here all night.

Zoredache

@JoelESalas IMO, the are completely worthless most of the time on 1Us, and sometimes on 2Us. But our big 6U SAN, you really want to be able to get that out easily without disconnecting anything.

Michael Hampton

12:18 AM

@JoelESalas How long have you been using Windows?

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton Many years :(

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas How does that make you feel?

Joel E Salas

@Zoredache So as far as you're concerned, it's context-sensitive then

Zoredache

Yeah, I suppose. But since almost all of my servers are 1Us, I am mostly think they are annoying.

The huge SAN is a small exception I carve out.

Aaron Copley

@HopelessN00b Hey man, I might be completely off base here, but you really probably don't need to bump questions from 2009 for minor formatting edits. (Maybe I'm wrong and there's a reason for it.)

Michael Hampton

12:26 AM

Community strikes again!

HopelessN00b

Yeah, I wasn't paying attention to the date. Am now, though.

Sheer boredom, updating dozens of self-signed SSL certs to certs signed by our Enterprsie root CA... gotta do something while I'm waitin' on service restarts. Thought getting another badge might help pass the time, but so far, not so much.

Aaron Copley

No worries. I thought it might be something like that. Just thought I'd catch it before dozens of 2009-2010 questions flooded the front page. ;)

HopelessN00b

2

Q: Win98/DOS losing connections to Server 2003

We recently upgraded from an old Linux server running Samba to Server 2003. All of our clients are Windows 98 virtual machines, and heavily access the server for file services. ~95% of the time, there are no problems and all runs smoothly ... but at least once per day per machine, and sometimes...

Lol. I did resist the urge to correctly answer that question, though.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas no cable management

Aaron Copley

Might as well now that it's already bumped by the edit. :D

HopelessN00b

12:32 AM

No, that one didn't get bumped... just showed up in the review thing for low quality answers.

Aaron Copley

I was still talking about the other, sorry.

WTF-of-the-Day: "All of our clients are Windows 98 virtual machines"

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton who is this trying to take over the week's points....

jscott

@AaronCopley Wat?

Michael Hampton

Really? I never knew there was a leaderboard...

Aaron Copley

@jscott See @HopelessN00b's linked question: serverfault.com/questions/98362/…

Michael Hampton

12:35 AM

@HopelessN00b That question makes me sad.

jscott

@AaronCopley omg. Well, good to know that legacy DOS-based apps using printer interrupts work just swell under ESX. I'll file that nugget away, hoping to never need it.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Yeah, that blue porcupine guy is really burning up the leaderboards. Damn wildlife.
@MichaelHampton Makes me sad too, given that I've actually been in that spot.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Congrats on being the first to recognize it as a porcupine.

Aaron Copley

If you ever do need it. That's what I would consider to be an RGE. Resume generating event. Because you should probably be looking elsewhere for employment for your own sanity's sake.

jscott

In fairness, we've a FreeDOS PXE image we boot to for certain Dell/Lenovo utilities that write the asset tag... Yeah, yeah linux smbios, but...

ewwhite

12:38 AM

@HopelessN00b Both of you's... causing me leaderboard trouble.

HopelessN00b

@AaronCopley Maybe... maybe not. I had to run a Win95 box for several years, because the industrial monitoring system for some A/C unit cost $50,000 to upgrade.

Bosses were at least smart about it, and we had 3 (?) identically ancient machines on the shelf with cloned disks ready to take over.

Ugh. We need a new deletion category too. Reason: Rajat

jscott

Oh, the AC unit is down? Just grab another Win95 disk... Please don't install the Plus Pack this time....

Aaron Copley

But but but... Pinball.

jscott

@HopelessN00b He's suffered at the hands of /review, in particular Low Quality. I do still think the guy means well.

HopelessN00b

@jscott Yeah, he's clearly trying to help. It would just be nice if he had a higher success rate.

jscott

12:42 AM

@HopelessN00b And less copy/paste/no-attribute, and less just-a-link, and less "works for mE!"

@AaronCopley Plus was also the intro of IE v1. Yup.

Aaron Copley

@jscott Wow... Hard to believe.

HopelessN00b

@jscott Lol, I just came across one of your gems in the low quality review too.

31

A: How to know what user belongs to what ip on debian

w

jscott

@HopelessN00b Plz to down vote! I'm not sure why that took off so. At least the html comment could have been useful. :)

Michael Hampton

I missed getting 200 rep again :(

Aaron Copley

Actually, yesterday I had my first eye exam since the mid-1990's so while I was waiting for my eye drops to dilate my eyes I was posting to Facebook about what it was like. -- "We still used phone lines to connect to the Internet. And sometimes it was too busy to let you on. The man responsible for Facebook was just 12 years old. And Apple was uncool."

ewwhite

12:45 AM

@MichaelHampton downvote

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You're just jealous.

ewwhite

Naw, I'll take you out.

Michael Hampton

Bring it.

I have tools I keep for "special" situations...

ewwhite

@mdmarra tried...

jscott

@AaronCopley The first computer I ever touched was an Apple ][, in grade school no less.

@MichaelHampton Does dual wielding ever get in the way of, you know, doing everything else?

HopelessN00b

12:48 AM

@jscott Not with the right character build and a small offhand weapon.

Michael Hampton

My first computer was...

Aaron Copley

@jscott Oregon Trail \m/

jscott

@MichaelHampton Sweet! We didn't get one in the house for years later. It was an Apple IIc though.

Michael Hampton

@jscott That's what holsters are for. Like any other tool, you take them out when needed.

jscott

@AaronCopley Drowned, or starved too many times.

HopelessN00b

12:51 AM

I feel young and ungeeky now. My first computer was a bonafide x86. A 186! Well, XT, technically.

jscott

It may be of interest that there is a recent release of Oregon Trail, I think v12?, that we still install in the elementary computer labs.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b You missed the 80's, when computers were actually fun.

HopelessN00b

Yeah, yeah. Seems I did, at that. Still, only reason I figured the thing out was so I could play games. :)

ewwhite

no longer fun... kids these days don't know what's up.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I dunno about that. I think they do a better job of having fun with computers than I did.

I never got sexted images of nekkid girls when I was a young'un. :(

jscott

12:54 AM

@HopelessN00b Was that before or after you had to figure out the correct incantation for config.sys to load your cdrom driver?

Aaron Copley

@jscott I just got heart palpitations thinking about that.

jscott

@AaronCopley That sound of the disc finally spinning up and you can do a D:, dir...

Aaron Copley

SUCCESS!!!

ewwhite

I remember getting grayscale images of Claudia Schiffer on my HP48 calculator.

HopelessN00b

CDwhatnow?

I got started on the 5.25" floppies. I'm not *that* young.

jscott

12:56 AM

@HopelessN00b Oh, so Might and Magic then. Got it.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Playing Drug Wars in math class and all that? hehe.

Aaron Copley

@jscott First time I formatted my computer to "fix" Windows I didn't have a clue about all that. It took about 2 weeks to get it reinstalled. Parents were pissed.

rnxrx

@AaronCopley I did the same thing - figured format was the command to figure out the disk's format

Michael Hampton

All I have to say is: Leisure Suit Larry.

rnxrx

MGA display and Zork!

ewwhite

12:58 AM

@HopelessN00b I got my start on HP calculators

jscott

@AaronCopley Oh? You didn't get the 27 floppy disk install for Windows 95? Shame, that. :) Win 3 was only like 4,5 floppies though.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite 58008618

ewwhite

?

jscott

Turn it upside down on your LCD calc

MS just got in trouble for putting that in the Linux source.

ewwhite

yeah, weak..

Aaron Copley

1:00 AM

@jscott It was a Packard Bell -- the "restore media" didn't work. One floppy disk + CD-ROM.

Joel E Salas

@jscott People were using it as leverage on the "tech is sexist" bandwagon

jscott

@JoelESalas That's too bad, they really could have gone further. Idle a week or so here and they could report on how bad it really is. :)

Joel E Salas

aaaand deleted

Aaron Copley

What was she doing out of the kitchen long enough to read source code???

Michael Hampton

HopelessN00b

1:03 AM

@JoelESalas If anything, I think it's proof that women are sexist. Techist? Something. Point being, if that guy had seen a real 800813 in the past 5 years, he wouldn't be so captivated by a hexadecimal one.

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b: Or just realise that people have bad social skills, made bad jokes, and learn to dish it out.

Michael Hampton

tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO

HopelessN00b

Linux? That's the thing that people used to use before Microsoft, right? :D

Aaron Copley

./configure sandwich && make

Yea, I know that's not syntactically correct. It's just a joke.

HopelessN00b

Journeyman Geek

1:08 AM

Proper User Policy apparently means Simon Says.

Aaron Copley

True sexism is bad. Harmless jokes, like hexadecimal values in source code? Gimme a break.

Journeyman Geek

...

we're horrible ;p

Aaron Copley

HAH

HopelessN00b

Deranged minds think alike, or something.

Aaron Copley

BAAHAHAHA

Good timing, guys.

Journeyman Geek

1:09 AM

@AaronCopley: Personally, I don't care about orientation or gender as long as they're good at what they do ;p

(that said, I also probably would be too shy to actually crack sexist jokes... so harassment would be a non issue. I'd just be talking shop and computers all the time)

Aaron Copley

Oh we joke with the girls on our team all the time. But they dish the jokes right back.... Not get pissed and file HR complaints.

Journeyman Geek

Well, some people just need to make a fuss over everything ;p

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek Well, you gotta have a brain about it.

Step 1, observe surroundings.
If exists >0 woman, then shut up.
Else, tell joke.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@HopelessN00b: Or make sure the people you're joking to can handle it

HopelessN00b

Yeah. some of the coolest chicks I've ever met overheard me telling a sexist joke and didn't flip out.

Journeyman Geek

1:12 AM

not get their $LowerBodyUnderwear in a wad

HopelessN00b

Well depend on where it gets wadded up.

While wearing it, bad. On the floor... maybe not.

0

Q: Procedure for changing system time?

When we conduct our DR exercises, we have to rerun production batches from the previous day. In order to accommodate the rerunning of these batches, the system clocks on all our servers are moved back (9 hours for an internal exercise, or 24 hours if we involve our end users). The Domain Contro...

unix ntp

I think I could be a Unix admin. I wonder if anyone's hiring for those around here.

Aaron Copley

@HopelessN00b WTF is he on about? The way it's asked it screams homework, but that's too WTF of a scenario for homework.

Michael Hampton

See also his other question.

HopelessN00b

I dunno. I edited it into English, but I'm still trying to parse the question. I think it might be as basic as "how do I write up a plan to change all the system clocks on everything" [for a DR test]. I'm trying to avoid the DR test part, since that seems like an all-kinds-of-stupid way to do that.

Michael Hampton

I went for the "exact duplicate" punt.

HopelessN00b

1:23 AM

@MichaelHampton Oh good, he's going to keep asking until someone does it for him.

Even so, I guess I should be nice... :(

jscott

Summer of Love bros

HopelessN00b

But I don't love bros, I love women. :(

jscott

Sorry for the ambiguous parsing....

Bros, Summer of Love™

Michael Hampton

1:36 AM

I will just say that it's my opinion that more women in Linux can only be a good thing.

HopelessN00b

More computer-literate women in general could only b a good thing. Be nice to geek out with and get sex from the same person, without that involving a major lifestyle change on my part.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Yes, it's nice.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Oh, so you're one of those guys I hate? Can't say I'm exactly surprised. :p

Michael Hampton

Hahahaha :)

Now if only she were running something other than Mandriva...

HopelessN00b

Careful what you wish for. I'll get her up to guru status on Windows-8. :p

Michael Hampton

1:50 AM

@HopelessN00b She's holding a butcher knife. Come on over.

HopelessN00b

Meh, I'd have to put pants on for that anyway. And put down my beer.

Michael Hampton

Did I mention I met her at a bar, of all places?

@dan Further, it appears BT at least has plans... ipv6.bt.com

HopelessN00b

Hmm... is it actually possible to implement 802.1x authentication without a certificate? That question has me thinking... technically the RFC only specifies "server authentication" and doesn't stipulate certificate-based auth. Time to consult the Google, perhap.

Joel E Salas

@HopelessN00b Do you want to implement 802.1x without the use of certificates? or is it more of a science-fair idea

HopelessN00b

It's related to a question. I said WPA2 Enterprise requires a certificate, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure it does. Though I'm not sure how you'd implement it without a cert either.

1

Q: WPA2 Enterprise without a Certificate

This question is practically identical to this question, but the difference being that the authentication server is freeRADIUS on Ubuntu and the access-points are DD-WRT. Additionally, I would like to know if there is any risk to disabling TTLS (which from what I understand the part of the authe...

authentication wireless radius enterprise wpa2-aes

Made me think, so I guess I should upvote it... instead of downboating it for giving me a "headache with pictures." :)

Aaron Copley

2:15 AM

1/2 way through converting these VMs and based on that, I have 5 hours to go.

Should be about a 18.5 hour day when I finish.

HopelessN00b

@AaronCopley At least tell me you're hourly.

Aaron Copley

Fixed the ones that were failing earlier. ...That's a good thing.

Not hourly, but I paid for hours exceeding 80 in a 2-week period.

So no OT / time-and-a-half. But I'll get paid for it.

HopelessN00b

Well, should take the sting off a bit.

Aaron Copley

I am buying a new house so I say bring on the extra hours!

HopelessN00b

Only thing that got me through my last 20 hour day was 20*rate*1.5

Aaron Copley

2:18 AM

See, math can be fun.

jscott

Where's the VMS peeps at on Friday night!

1

Q: Alpha VMS VAX - printer queue changes

I have an old legacy VMS VAX (Alpha) server that's still used for a program called Vango. The VAX is located at 192.168.1.2 We have an existing server that's being replaced, which is currently running SBS 2003, and it's at 192.168.1.148. It's DNS name is, "Server" Basically, we'd like to insta...

vms

Michael Hampton

Reading their VMS manuals?

jscott

@MichaelHampton I would have presumed they were memorized by now.

Michael Hampton

@jscott Have you ever SEEN the VMS manauls? If you started reading them in 1985, you might almost be done.

jscott

Exactly. :)

HopelessN00b

2:22 AM

Whoa. This is exactly why those legacy systems are such a bad idea. No one touches them for long, as soon as anything changes, it's a clusterfuck.

Damn accountants.

Scott Pack

@MichaelHampton With the forward.

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Nobody reads that.

Scott Pack

You shave your neck don't you?

Michael Hampton

Of course.

Scott Pack

Figures

Michael Hampton

2:29 AM

What are you trying to say?

jscott

woosh

Scott Pack

I'm fair positive that I succeeded in speaking.

jscott

Or, at least, chatting.

Scott Pack

Fair enough.

Michael Hampton

2:57 AM

Joel E Salas

"You have unused icons on your desktop" NOSTALGIA'D HARD

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas What was that form, 98?

jscott

@JoelESalas Bug 3829832: Fixed in Windows 8. Tiles only on desktop. Deal with it.

Michael Hampton

Ah, tonight's project: Install Visual Stupido 2012.

jscott

@MichaelHampton LOVE THE CAPS MENU BRO

FILE EDIT VIEW SHOUTOUTLOUD

blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/05/…

Joel E Salas

3:08 AM

@jscott DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

3

jscott

^^ +10000000

Chris S

@jscott WTF?

jscott

Honestly though, there's something visually offensive about looking at the all caps menu bar. I just can't get over it.

Michael Hampton

Got any more spoilers?

HopelessN00b

WUTS RONG WIF ALL CAPS????? U A SNOB OR SUMTHIN?

jscott

3:12 AM

@HopelessN00b No cheating, you held down shift.

HopelessN00b

Nah, I just hit the shout button my typing-majig.

jscott

@ChrisS It's MS, they know things. ALL CAPS was the best choice for everyone. Please build your apps with Win8 as a target kthanks.

You do know my help desk will get calls about how to revert the menus when Office 15 goes all caps.

HopelessN00b

Oh God. I think I found the craziest [non-deleted] question on ServerFault.

www.serverfault.com/questions/140187/wordpress-on-as-400/

Scott Pack

dafuq

WesleyDavid

@jscott Man, I can't use Office now because of that. I'll be doing spreadsheets in Brian Blessed voice.

I'll be thinking of this all the time:

jscott

3:17 AM

@HopelessN00b We can do anything!

Yep, we're boned

WesleyDavid

@jscott Wordpress on an AS/400?

Scott Pack

You know what they say. LAY PAGES OR GO HOME!

HopelessN00b

Yeah, I'm so bringing that to the AS400 operators on Monday.

"Uh, we want a highly available IT blog. Do this until the iSeries catches fire."

jscott

@WesleyDavid Sure that and the new all caps way-of-life.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Bring a wall clock and measure how long the laughter lasts.

jscott

3:19 AM

Love Kyle's answer on that question though.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Forget the wall clock, I'm gonna bring a video camera.

Chris S

Has anybody looked at the Office 2013 preview yet? Does it require Win8?

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I thought YouTube videos were limited to 15 minutes?

WesleyDavid

Yes! Wordpress on an AS/400!
Gentlemen we can rebuild it
We have the technology
We have the capability to make the worlds worst CMS on the worlds most assinine platform.
WordPrAS will be that CMS.
Worse than it ever was before
Dumber, Hackier, Slower

The Six Million Dollar CMS Project
(Sponsored by Oracle, some restrictions may apply)

jscott

@ChrisS I haven't yet, but I can't imagine they'd force the Win8 issue.

Chris S

3:20 AM

Just looked up the requirements, only Win7+ required

WesleyDavid

@jscott I actually don't mind that.

jscott

And did anyone ever tell MS about how redirects work?
http://licensing.microsoft.com/

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton I'll just have to chop it into several segments.

Chris S

@jscott It's been that way for years. Since December 19, 2008

jscott

@WesleyDavid The CAPS MENU? YOU LEIK? WHY?

Scott Pack

3:23 AM

I'm not sure it's possible to make enough money off a WordPress based company to power an AS/400.

WesleyDavid

@jscott Those with symptoms of dyslexia like things like that. That's also why I like Comic Sans.

As soon as I saw the ALL CAPS menu items, my mind felt immediately at ease.

Hard to explain.

Probably also why I've always liked drafter's fonts.

jscott

@WesleyDavid The kerning is just so tight, I can't look at it. I use keyboard shortcuts whenever possible, but still, I feel like I need to hide the menu bar (a'la IE) just to not have to look at it.

WesleyDavid

I've been thinking more about Windows 8 -- definitely a shift away from standard Windows UX, but I'm wondering if it's not a bad thing. I'm not yet against 8 / Metro.

Too many negatives in that sentence. I have on idea what I just wrote.

jscott

@ChrisS Ok, but why not just, you know, redirect already?

WesleyDavid

Someone explain it all to me.

HopelessN00b

3:26 AM

@WesleyDavid Looks good for touch-devices, but laptops and desktops, c'mon. That's gonna suck balls, especially for corporate and professional users.

I don't want all my porn tiles up on the desktop beside my Office programs and other utilities I use to make it look like I work for a living.

Chris S

@jscott It used to. Before they put up that page.

WesleyDavid

Sooo... do some work projects or play Team Fortress 2 until Saturday morning...

jscott

@HopelessN00b Don't worry, only the most used porn tiles will float to the top.

Michael Hampton

TF2.

Chris S

I'm sure it was some C-Level decision.

jscott

3:28 AM

@WesleyDavid I don't think TF2 will run on my notebook. Barely made it through Portal2 without overheatings.

Michael Hampton

3:59 AM

This bring back any memories?

HopelessN00b

Yeah, they used eminent domain to destroy one of my favorite campus bars. :(

Michael Hampton

That sucks...but it wasn't quite what I was referring to.

HopelessN00b

Oh, the Tandy, then? Nah, making my feel all young and insecure in my geek card. :(

Michael Hampton

Oh yeah, you missed the 80's. I remember now.

HopelessN00b

I didn't miss them, so much as I was too young to miss out on the fun stuff... the computers, the casual sex, STDs that could be cured with penicillin... probably some other things too. :(

Michael Hampton

4:07 AM

Strangely, there are some die-hards STILL using those Tandy Color Computers.. I've seen IDE/SATA interfaces, Bluetooth adapters, Ethernet...

HopelessN00b

Why would someone do such a thing?

Michael Hampton

Sheer nostalgia?

HopelessN00b

*shrug*
I'll have to take your word for it. I just don't understand that kinda thing. My computer gets old, I get a new one.

Michael Hampton

I've been down that road though..the nostalgia lasts about 3 days and then I'm off to rm -rf that stuff.

WesleyDavid

I'll just leave this here: commodoreusa.net/cusa_c64.aspx

Michael Hampton

4:13 AM

@WesleyDavid Yeah, but that isn't the original. And..it runs Linux.

HopelessN00b

:O

Michael Hampton

Besides, why should I buy all that expensive hardware when I can do all of that already?

HopelessN00b

4:30 AM

Man, taking answers to some of these Linux questions out of context results in serious weirdness. My computer does not need a cat, thank you ver.. oh, nevermind.

Michael Hampton

Oh, that's not the cat you meant?

HopelessN00b

Yeah, I think the guy was referencing the bottom type of cat... could be wrong, though.

Adrian

@hopelessn00b the F5 job was a Network Support Engineer IIS, supporting end customers. I know a guy on the inside.

Stupid iPhone.

HopelessN00b

End customer support? shudder

Michael Hampton

Oh GOD. I'm gonna have nightmares again.

Joel E Salas

4:42 AM

@HopelessN00b I may be doing that soon. I don't think it could hurt

HopelessN00b

Well, like they say, better thee than me. :p

Michael Hampton

HopelessN00b

Ugh. And if only that was the worst thing you've seen, you'd be a lot happier, right?

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b That's a rare shot. Usually they push them all the way in.

HopelessN00b

...or shatter them trying.

Nothing like melted bits of CD all over the mainboard and a user who can't understand why the magic box broke to motivate you to move up from the helpdesk. *shudder*

Michael Hampton

4:51 AM

@HopelessN00b Back when the Pentium was new, I worked in a computer store. I saw a lot of things.

Dust bunnies the size of tumbleweeds. Dead rodents. LIVE cockroaches.

HopelessN00b

Yeah. I bet. Does your girl tell you that you still have night terrors from those days?

20 flags to go to Marshall badge... this would go a lot faster if there was a "wrong" or "dumbass" flag.

Journeyman Geek

5:10 AM

@HopelessN00b: not got enough rep here to use it, but on SU, the late answers review tag was a goldmine for flags

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek Yup, is exactly what I'm doing. Even better when you find a user who's nothing but "not an answer" answers that way. :)

voretaq7

r0ar

Journeyman Geek

;)

HopelessN00b

(Well, also doing the low quality posts... lotta those are fuuuunnnmmy!)

Journeyman Geek

lol

HopelessN00b

5:13 AM

Oh crap, mod in the house. Probably angry that some ass has been sending up flags all night. :)

voretaq7

HEY! Didn't yo' momma learn you not ta make fun of the less fortunate!
You know some people was just born without a brain!

Journeyman Geek

I suspect you'll be through most of them before I get the fun stuff

Michael Hampton

Someone needs to invent this.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 There's that, but some of them are funny because the answer is so right and short. My favorite so far:

w

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Looks Good

voretaq7

5:15 AM

@HopelessN00b they did at least link to a man page, right?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Don't tempt me, man. I'll install that on an Exec's machine, and get my ass fired.

@voretaq7 Newp. It was one of those "halp, which switch/command do I need" questions.

voretaq7

HopelessN00b

31

A: How to know what user belongs to what ip on debian

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@voretaq7 This place is so gonna get me fired. I have a hard enough time not messing with the special users as it is...

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b mmhmm, how many flags do you have left ya damn nuisance? :P

HopelessN00b

Lol. 430. (10 to Marshall.)

Though, it's really a question of how many SSL certs do I have to manually install... think I'm down to the last couple dozen or so.

voretaq7

5:26 AM

Windows needs error messages like these.

HopelessN00b

For maximum hilarity, they should be integrated into the BSOD screensaver.

voretaq7

Michael Hampton

When you see it... you'll shit bricks.

HopelessN00b

Windows window?

voretaq7

yeah a lousy one. The screen should be quartered.

Michael Hampton

5:40 AM

I was wrong. Windows 8 is going to be a huge success.

Aaron Copley

Why the F does UDEV keep creating a rule to rename eth0 to eth1?!?! bangs head off desk

voretaq7

STOPPIT!
You'll make the Win8 UI people cry.

@AaronCopley I HELPS!

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Ever switched out the NIC?

voretaq7

I HELPS YOU! I RENAME DEVICE! SEE? SEE? I HELPS!

/dev/sda -> /dev/wetkitten ! HELPS!

Journeyman Geek

ugh, what does -> do?

Aaron Copley

5:43 AM

Erm, nevermind. It's because an incorrect HWADDR was defined in the interface. (Migrating a bunch of VMs from KVM -> VMware.)

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Yep, udev is sensitive to MAC address changes.

Aaron Copley

I'm about 20 VMs in and this is the first one to do that.

Michael Hampton

Oh don't worry, all the rest will give you OTHER issues.

Aaron Copley

Already dealt with fstab looking for /dev/vd* disks. :/ That was a Rescue Mode fix.

THIS IS WHY YOU MOUNT BY UUID or LABEL!

Michael Hampton

I know that.

HopelessN00b

5:47 AM

@MichaelHampton Ouch, that's a brutally succinct analysis of Win8.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I've got more where that came from, too.

HopelessN00b

heh

voretaq7

@AaronCopley bah

Aaron Copley

@voretaq7 Y'know... just in case someone decides you should migrate to KVM... then back to VMware 3 weeks later. -_-

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley I'd be happy with either, though I'm curious what the problem with KVM was.

voretaq7

5:53 AM

@AaronCopley . . . I already have a contingency plan for that

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@JoelESalas See this is the problem: Microsoft doesn't understand basic film processing. Develop, Stop, Fix. As in photography, so to in software development...

Aaron Copley

@MichaelHampton It worked great as a basic hypervisor. But, it was going to be so much more time intensive to administer. And there's a complete absence of all the features that are great to have in VMware like the performance monitoring is very granular. Every thing is very well abstracted. Clustering was going to be stupid time consuming to sort out with KVM. Etc.. etc..

The hypervisor itself was rock solid. But the polished management tools built on VMware are what make the product worth every penny.

voretaq7

hey - I just figured it out

I know who Romney is!

Mitt Romney is Oracle!

►

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Makes sense. Have you looked at oVirt?

Aaron Copley

@MichaelHampton beat me by < 30 secs... :P

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Yeah, and I went to make a cup of coffee too.

Aaron Copley

6:05 AM

No, unfortunately that isn't an option for us. I'd like to check it out, though.

I'm in my 16th hour at work. Starting to slow down.

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley It's basically an open sourced version of RHEV with a few bits missing (like needing a Windows box to manage things).

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton If anyone wants to hear an explanation of exactly what RHEV is and isn't good for, bug me later.

Aaron Copley

The new RHEV no longer requires a Windows box.

voretaq7

@AaronCopley ...and this is apparently an event.

Michael Hampton

Oh good. That part really stuck in my craw.

voretaq7

6:07 AM

(Fuck you too redhat)

MikeyB

@AaronCopley ... on the server side. And allegedly once 3.1 comes out, won't require one on the client side either.

Aaron Copley

Oh, I thought the requirement was completely gone with the latest release.

MikeyB

@voretaq7 To be fair, it's an artifact of the fact that RH bought RHEV from another Windows-centric company

Aaron Copley

Good to know.

MikeyB

@AaronCopley 3.0 still requires a Windows client for the manager control. 3.1 apparently will get rid of that requirement.

voretaq7

6:09 AM

@MikeyB No. Excuses.

MikeyB

Wait, what am I doing? I logged on to screw around in some games before nodding off.

Michael Hampton

@MikeyB The games were boring. Talking about the pros and cons of RHEV is much more interesting.

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton Games, Pratchett, then sleep.

voretaq7

yeah me too -- last call for flags :P

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Here's a nice quickstart if you feel like playing with it. You can even throw it in a VM. :)

Aaron Copley

6:13 AM

@MichaelHampton bookmarked

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Red Hat/Fedora boxes have an ingenious little SELinux policy which isolates VMs from each other.

Aaron Copley

I heard about that but had not tried it.

No matter... Back to VMware we go!

Michael Hampton

system_u:system_r:svirt_t:s0:c866,c900 1589 ? Sl 2937:09 /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
system_u:system_r:svirt_t:s0:c294,c918 19939 ? Sl 125:10 /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
system_u:system_r:svirt_t:s0:c256,c275 26040 ? Sl 392:58 /usr/bin/qemu-kvm

Michael Hampton

6:36 AM

Aaron Copley

@MichaelHampton Can we get a edit of that with "2009", "2010", "2011", "2012"... all crossed out. And then a "2013?"

Michael Hampton

@AaronCopley Eh, if I'm going to edit anything, I've got better ideas than that :)

Aaron Copley

I thought it was pretty good. :/

Michael Hampton

It would help if somebody were actually working on a desktop that people would want to use. GNOME went off the rails and it'll take them years to come back. KDE looks ok, but they really don't have any good new ideas.

Of course the real reason Linux isn't on the desktop is you can't mangle it with Group Policy.

Aaron Copley

As long as neither go the way of the "tile."

Michael Hampton

6:42 AM

As far as I know, only people with very long beards use tiling window managers.

Aaron Copley

@MichaelHampton centrify.com/directcontrol/grouppolicy.asp

6 VMs left... Can I be done by sunrise???

Michael Hampton

$65 per box. Gaaaack.

Aaron Copley

Didn't say it was cheap. Haha...

Michael Hampton

As I said, you can't mangle it with Group Policy...

Aaron Copley

Eh? That the point of Centrify DirectControl..?

Michael Hampton

6:49 AM

You can't use Group Policy because nobody in their right mind would spend that kind of money on GPO for Linux when they have already been stuck paying for Windows licenses for all their desktops.

Aaron Copley

Yea, but CentOS + $65 is still cheaper than Windows.

Not that many companies would really do that.

There's also Likewise. Not sure how the pricing compares. beyondtrust.com/Technical-Support/Downloads/files/pbise/Manuals/…

And I am sure that $65 is negotiable in bulk.

Michael Hampton

When there's no pricing information on the web site, it means bring lots of K-Y jelly and bend over as far as you can.

Aaron Copley

Oh man, and no one's awake to post the requisite Amazon K-Y barrel.

Journeyman Geek

amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/…

good enough?