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Dan
3:00 PM
@ewwhite To be fair, Acrobat and outlook SHOULD be pretty usable. But yes, web is a killer nowadays
 
pfo
@Mario yes, but it has it's constraint and you shouldn't use client computers for that kind of stuff.
 
Dan
HDX Flash redirection is really important to our solutions and customers
 
pfo
it sure is
 
@Hyppy We'll see how long it takes him to figure out what an ISR is.
 
@Dan Scrolling through a 10-page PDF contract using a thin client connected to a terminal server over a 3-megabit connection with 10ms latency is painful.
 
3:01 PM
looks like 2008 server does DFS but it looks like only for servers - not desktops
 
@ewwhite Should be fine... Or did you miss a digit in that latency?
 
pfo
@ChrisS methinks that top uses gettimeofday() for timing so context switching can't be captured with sufficient precision.
 
Dan
@ewwhite This is just bare bones, RDP yeah?
 
pfo
@Mario screw desktops and clients. it's all about the servers.
i love centralization. kill the clients.
 
10ms and bare-bones RDP 6.x... or whatever was included with WIndows server 2003
 
pfo
3:03 PM
WITH FIRE.
but 10ms seems very fine with me.
i was just on vacation and had to RDS over a 3G link with latency from 10-500ms and it was usable for outlook.
 
@pfo yeah, I'm pretty sure it does. IIRC the kernel keeps track of processing time in Ticks (1/1000s in Linux by default)... And Top just does the math to figure out something reasonable to display to the user.
 
Dan
@ewwhite Yeah, must admit, not suprised. Much as Citrix hurts me day in day out, you can really tell the difference in day to day use
 
pfo
@ChrisS i think it just uses jiffies (ticks) as a scheduling basis, but the timing is certainly with HPETs and doesn't rely on jiffies.
 
So then the question of RDS servers. If I build a new solution on Microsoft RDS, should it be a physical server or VMWare?
 
pfo
@ewwhite is that a real question nowadays :P ?
 
3:05 PM
@pfo It's possible it's changed since I looked last too....
 
pfo
tell me ONE use case for non-VM deployment that is not a physical PDC or an NTP server or PBX system.
 
Dan
@ewwhite From a pure "will it work" perspective, it makes no difference. Really, it just depends on the load and performance capabilities
 
@pfo The current is 32-bit Windows 2003, P2V'ed.
 
@ewwhite Depends on what percentage of the hardware you'll be slicing off for the server... just like an SQL server or anything like that.
 
pfo
go for pure VM.
always.
 
Dan
3:06 PM
@pfo Simple really - when you need huge RAM and processing and can't justify the expensive of ESXi
@pfo Totally disagree, not always
 
@pfo Not if you're just going to assign 100% of the host to one VM... That doesn't make sense.
 
@pfo Database servers.
 
pfo
true, i'm a bit biased since most of the VM setups i've done are Enterprise Ultra licenses
 
@pfo Or like a Linux application system I'm building now... I need fast local storage, all 24 cores...
 
pfo
@voretaq7 why? :P
 
3:07 PM
@voretaq7 @pfo Heavy DB servers => Generally Physical. Light DB Server => VMs
 
And having to tune at the storage level, SSDs, etc. ESXi would limit me in this case...
 
pfo
ok heavy computational stuff needs a dedicated box, but only if your code is multithreaded .
@ChrisS i don't see the reason - really.
your DBs are usually IOPS contrained
 
I can't take the added disk latency of passing through a hypervisor.
I don't need a hypervisor sucking up RAM my DBMS could be using.
The whole machine is going to be dedicated to the DBMS anyway.
Previous horrible experiences with virtualized DB servers in production.
Recommendations of a bunch of DBAs I trust.
 
@pfo Oh, and financial applications or anything requiring special interfaces (although PCI-passthrough is available)
 
pfo
and this is independent of the VM level nowadays when VMs can push 10Ks of IOPS.
 
3:08 PM
@ChrisS I don't build "light" DB servers :-P
 
pfo
PCI-SRV is the key here.
and it will be standard for all new HW.
 
@voretaq7 You don't have any lightly used databases? Not a single one?
 
Dan
@pfo Much as I love virtualisation, its benefits aren't always required. If you're happy with local storage, portability isn't major and you don't need high availability then all you're doing is adding cost, complexity and a potential performance hit
 
pfo
DB performance can be CPU constrained too and I agree that if you have a warehousing system that needs to push 500K IOPS and needs 64 cores to finish a run during the night, yes you wouldn't go virtual.
 
@pfo my DBs are not usually IOPS constrained - they're join and search intensive
 
pfo
3:10 PM
but then you have something nice from oracle/ibm etc.
 
they're RAM constrained usually
Lightly used? sure.
Light workload when they *get* used? no.
 
Dan
For example, a typical setup for us might be 16 XenApp HP Blades. No need for SAN storage whatsoever, you have high availability by the virtue of there being 16 and the hardware is identical so it's just as easy to image really.
 
I want a 16 blade system =[
 
Doesn't matter that the DB only gets hit every few days - if the performance is in the toilet because it has to hit swap space for its 5GB multi-table join I'm still gonna get whiny phone calls
 
pfo
it's true that virtualization cries for shared storage and if you don't have that you maybe shouldn't go virtual, that's true.
 
Dan
3:11 PM
And it's not like you could consolidate that kind of computational power into one or two ESXi boxes
 
pfo
@voretaq7 sure, you have to design for the peak - not for the average utilization.
 
virtualization works fine with DAS, if your application can handle that.
My dev environment is 100% virtual and for development/testing it's fine. I wouldn't deploy it under production load though, even if I bumped the hardware 4x it wouldn't handle the load
and that's mostly an artifact of sharing storage and RAM with the DB servers, which demand a lot from both subsystems
 
@pfo But I find that people also get a lot of crappy shared storage.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 intresting, i haven't really hit any performance issues with VMs once i understood how resource allocations really works with ESX.
 
Dan
@ChrisS Tough :D (Actually, that's a lie really - 16 blades is more typical of XenDesktop. Probably closer to 8 for XenApp)
 
3:13 PM
I'm just now getting around to installing RT 4.0.6
 
pfo
and for most things you just want blazingly fast storage.
 
I'm a bad, bad man.
 
Three of my clients have bad VMWare storage situations... one on Equallogic with 14 disks in a single RAID 5. Others on NetApp with no real cache or SSD tiers... Another about to buy a low-end EMC..
 
@pfo you can allocate all you want, there's a limit to how much RAM you can physically put into a server, and when the production database needs 24G that doesn't leave much for anyone else :)
 
pfo
yeah 14 spindles in R5 cry for shitty performance.
@voretaq7 i don't deploy ESX under 128GB of RAM nowadays
so no worries about not enough RAM there
 
3:15 PM
I'm still doing Nexenta for VM storage, but am finding I need to tweak a LOT from the defaults to make it really solid.
 
also when the DB server is reading in huge chunks from the disk and someone else wants it you have two choices: The DB waits or someone else waits.
 
pfo
@voretaq7 with vmware you can assign shares at the HBA queue level and prioritize VM access to storage.
 
@pfo Which leaves at most 80G for everyone else (because if you only have one DB server you're doing something wrong, even in a virtual environment)
 
pfo
also IOPS throttling etc. can be used to do that.
sure, but even a smallish ESX cluster shouldn't have less than 3-4 hosts methinks.
 
@pfo which reduces to "The DB waits or someone else waits" -- there's only so much storage bandwidth, and if the DB has priority the other machine gets dinged.
 
3:17 PM
@pfo THe businesses I deal with can get by on 2 hosts... rarely do they expand to 3.
My personal setup is three hosts now... and everything fits on one.
 
pfo
@ewwhite sure, 3 host give you enough horse power for most applications that people need in standard business settings.
 
you can spread the load across multiple ESX hosts, but now we're getting really expensive compared to just buying two physical boxes with fast disk and gobs of RAM
 
pfo
@voretaq7 true
 
bing! 7-streak.
...I'm easily amused.
 
all that said I'll probably virtualize my app servers in the next hardware upgrade cycle - They're lightweight and there's no point to running a bunch of 1U boxes when I can just buy 2 3U boxes with enough disk/RAM
 
pfo
3:20 PM
@voretaq7 also true
what's your workhorse hypervisor hw config?
380s?
that would be 2U
 
plus if we overprovision the hypervisors I can deploy small servers without having to buy hardware :-)
@pfo It varies really, most of our hardware is supermicro and they have a few 2U boxes that are adequate, but 3U buys me an extra pack of disks
 
ah, supermicro
 
pfo
BTW does cisco sell a UCS-branded rack?
i've only seen them in HP 10642s
 
I'd consider HP 380s or IBM x3750s with the built-in ESXi
 
tiem for lunch!
 
3:23 PM
say what you want, they've been running... almost 4 years now that I've been here, and zero problems.
And most of the equipment predates me.
 
@voretaq7 Lots of people build on them. All of the Nexenta partners do. I'm just too used to HP...
 
@ewwhite Nothing wrong with HP - they make a fine graphing calculator :-)
 
@voretaq7 I've got SuperMicro at home; only a few bad things to say about them. Pretty good stuff overall.
 
so is anyone else as behind on Request Tracker patches as I am? Or should I feel especially dirty?
@ChrisS They aren't a VMWare partner or whatever so you can't get the firmware embedded ESXi - that's my biggest complaint against them
 
@voretaq7 Some of their products are less polished and less idiot proof than I'd prefer. For instance I've ruined a IPMI card trying to update the firmware... No idea what happened, might have been a bad card in the first place, but there's no recovering from a "bad flash" or diagnostics to tell you what happened either.
 
pfo
3:39 PM
@voretaq7 4.0.6 is brand new :P
i'm running 3.x in a lot of places
stuff that IT wants/needs is always the last thing to be taken care of in most places
same with "the IT share" (cifs), the IT personnel workstations, etc :P
 
@pfo 4.0.6 is almost a month old (and it's security fixes)
 
cdw wants feedback on my acct rep. haha.
 
@Mario theyyyyyyyyyyy SUCK
 
their not that bad
price leaves a bit to be desired sometimes (thats why we went with dell over hp for desktops)
shame i cant order directly from ingram micro - 4 family members work for them
 
@Mario not enough volume?
 
3:46 PM
they don't sell directly to end users - only to var's
ingram micro is the man in the middle between manufactuer and var
you never heard of ingram micro?
they ust to be 1 of 3 distribution companies (not sure how many there are now) - HP sells to ingram which sells to CDW (for example)
 
@Mario we bought from them at $job[-1]
technically I guess we qualified as a VAR (managed hosting/solutions company), but about half of what we bought was for internal use. Shhhhh!
 
sure, that would make you a var probably. we're a call center.
 
@Mario just claim you're selling the hardware to your idiots^Wusers
 
I remember a few of our guys purchasing direct from Ingram Micro at my last job, though it was local government
 
HP Blade Question: The BL460 has a dual-port NIC embedded, do both ports go to Interconnect 1, or are they split on 1 and 2, or is it configurable??
 
pfo
4:06 PM
@ChrisS 1 and 2
and only 1 and 2 - can't reconfig.
 
I wish to disconnect some users... so I have
 
pfo
that is for all half height in C7Ks
laterz
 
free ps3 or vita if u buy a vaio
 
4:26 PM
"Starting with the opening gag with Siri doing stand-up comedy and continuing through to Apple’s new maps and Siri’s new features, there was an unmistakeable “Fuck you, Google” undertone to the whole keynote. Apple is forcing Google out of iOS. Even the Facebook integration feels like a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” alliance."
 
@Mario Apple would rather have the whole pie. Google would rather have the whole pie.
they are not compatible.
 
interesting how the giants of the industry changes over the years. wonder what it looks like in another 10 year
i think google is making a big mistake with google+
same argument i make with switching from iphone to android / windows 7 - i'm so invested in ios (music, apps, etc... money wise) to leave is to start over with most of those purchases
all my friends / family - photos, etc... are all on facebook - unless theres a damn good reason to leave, google+ is just another website
even that kickstarter project diaspora - cool idea - try convincing people to move
most people couldn't care about facebook's crappy privacy polices
and really, does it matter? its either use it or dont. whos the bigger devil is the question - google or facebook
 
@Mario What do they have to lose, though?
 
google?
 
With Google+, yeah
If it that product doesn't work out, everything else seems unaffected
 
4:40 PM
time / money spent on r&d - no big deal - their rolling in cash; saving face / reputation - wave failed; g+ is struggling to take hold; google tv isn't doing well
gmail is a beutiful product in my opinion - i rely on it for personal side work communications
docs is "ok" but it still comes off to me as a souped up wysiwyg editor
 
docs is great for collaboration
 
google goggles (the HUD thingy their building) looks cool if they attach to my oakleys - no way in hell it'll come to iphone though
id concentrate efforts on google tv - as much as i'm an apple fan - who ever gives me alacarte programming to the TV first gets my money and right now - microsoft with xbox is killing everyone. drop the gold subscription fee and people will flock to it (more than gamers)
 
@Mario I don't do online gaming, but I do have Amazon Prime. I'm considering doing Xbox Gold just so I can watch my movies on the Xbox.
 
@Mario Don't hold your breath on AppleTV or GoogleTV becoming an entertainment panacea anytime soon. The media holders are bitter old men who are losing touch with the market (if not reality), but still have a strangle hold on content.
 
@ChrisS oh i know. the "war" hasen't even begun
that could be apple's ace in the hole so to speak. jobs was and cook is very good at negotiations. cut out the cable provider and go right to the studio
why try to sign hbo when you can go right to studio x
 
4:56 PM
@Mario at times HBO is the studio
Game of Thrones, true Blood, Sopranos, etc
 
for sure - and usually of great content
we get hbo just for their own content
 
which is why everyone wants to give HBO thier money but not thier cable co
like i don't even have cable
just internet
and 20-30$/mo for HBO is fine for me ... 120-150$/mo for cable (that i won't watch) and HBO isn't
 
@Zypher Let me stream the motherfucker
 
basically yes
 
+ $x for the box
fios just sent a letter their raising the price of set top boxes $2 / month
no big deal, but an expense none the less
thei'll learn eventually. those of us with the means to "obtain" content will. i listen to alot of house / club music - if its not available on itunes, i'll get it elsewhere. if its on itunes, usually i have no problem paying for it.
i began to pay for more software once it was on the mac appstore than before - it was easy, in 1 place, i didnt have to goto 20 different websites to download software when i got my new mac. 1 stop shop for content.
 
5:02 PM
Aye. I listen mostly to KEXP. Lot of that stuff is self-published. Fantastic new stuff but tough to get through the regular channels, but thankfully iTunes is good about carrying those small-time labels.
 
kexp?
 
@Mario Seattle radio station that specializes in non-mainstream stuff. kickass non-commercial radio station
 
5:20 PM
NPR > all
 
i pretty much live on pandora
 
Yeah, at work I do some Pandora for background music. TMBG/Jonathan Coulton station.
 
Ry.
I listen to the muttering of my co-workers. it's music to my ears
 
OMG. You know a sales call is dull when a quad mocha isn't keeping you awake.
 
nessus pen test has now taken over an hour for 1 server. wtf.
 
Ry.
5:34 PM
@Mario it must be penetrating deeply
 
it'll be bleeding by the time i'm done with it
 
Ry.
@Mario anal-eze works for that
 
5:46 PM
@Adrian Go to starbucks, order a Venti green eye. You're welcome.
And don't put any of that cream and sugar crap in it either. Seriously, that stuff ruins perfectly good coffee.
 
Eat something. Caffeine can only help so much if you're out of fuel.
 
Bah! I think my standard response to "help, server is teh haxored!" questions has lost its appeal. =D
 
@WesleyDavid And what precisely is a venti green eye?
 
@Adrian Largest cup of dark roast coffee with three shots of espresso in it.
 
@WesleyDavid If they can't listen to sweet reason, it's time to break out the LART.
 
5:48 PM
@Adrian In reference to:
-1
Q: .htaccess and PHP redirect hack on GoDaddy Website

delvec Possible Duplicate: My server's been hacked EMERGENCY A friend is experiencing a random redirect to an RU domain for two of her websites, along with a malicious cookie attack, as per a Norton pop-up everytime I load a page on her site. I checked out her WordPress installation and ...

 
@WesleyDavid Ah. I can get a Grande Oji at the place around the corner. Slow&Cold-brewed.
I usually have to be peeled off the ceiling as it is.
 
@hobodave Suit up!!
 
loll
what is that
 
18
Q: BOFH Gravatar Week

WardThis is your chance to show your true colours... Use the (semi-) official Bastard Operator From Hell Gravatar for a week or a while. I don't think there's any particular reason, it just seemed like a good idea.

 
@WesleyDavid Your answer to that was flagged as Very Low Quality, I closed the question as an obvious dupe
 
5:51 PM
in the beginning of the year, i was having so much coffee during the day, i'd get chest and back pains right around my heart. like 8 to 10 cups a day, half starbucks, half tim hortons
 
@Iain Yeah, I think the humor has run its course.
@Mario Are you in Canadia?
I hear good things about Tim's from all my 'nadian friends.
 
worse, buffalo
Tim's is ok - one right next to my office. i prefer starbucks when i do now. more or less quit drinking coffee and switched to gatorade
 
@WesleyDavid It may depend on the time of day ~ I used it recently myself serverfault.com/questions/397359/…
but I also closed it as a dupe
 
woot! 1 known high issue on the webserver and its just symantec backup - known documented issue.
 
@WesleyDavid How were you downvoted thrice for that?!?
 
5:55 PM
@Iain Or maybe everyone just hates me?
@Hyppy shrug It's my most downvoted answer so I feel proud.
 
@WesleyDavid It's also the most upvoted, so there's that
 
@WesleyDavid there is a badge for deleting a -3 or lower I think ... yep serverfault.com/badges/38/peer-pressure
 
@Iain The net total has to be -3 or just three downvotes regardless of any counter upvotes?
 
dunno
 
My lowest answer is only -1 :-/
 
5:58 PM
@Hyppy provide some bad or unpopular answers then. Don't delete them until you get a couple downvotes.
 
@WesleyDavid hmm - when you posted it here I looked and it was -3 but posting it here has obviously had it empathy upvoted
 
@Iain Never let it be said that we're all total bastards.
 
::hugs::
 
@Zoredache I'm tempted. Maybe I'll go full TomTom a couple times and see what happens.
 
@Zoredache getting suited ?
 
6:00 PM
@Hyppy I've got 3 a -2. =]
 
@ChrisS easily fixed if you want ?
 
@Iain Hey, spread the love to my -1 answer :-P
 
@ChrisS -3 is a much nicer number. Twos always bugged me. An even prime... not cool.
 
@Iain The two images in the thread are a bit broken. That one clips too much, the other one isn't great either. I meant to work on a good version last night.
 
@Iain One I well deserved. Another the questioner and his buddy didn't like me "don't do that" answer. No need to "fix" anything.
 
6:02 PM
I am probably just being overly picky though.
Is there a good high-res version of the original logo?
 
@Zoredache I'm hurt... :( I spent a solid 45 seconds on the one I made.
 
@Iain Rock on. Now I just need to find a >+3 post where someone else got the answer better
 
Did we start a list of Candidates for Canonical Questions?
 
complete with transparency
 
6:15 PM
@voretaq7 Raster Graphics? What is this 2001?
2
 
@ChrisS you find me an SVG of it and I'll happily use it. Kitty gave us a png.
 
fucking BOFHs
 
@MDMarra Well, FYYFF. =p
 
We're talking about an image that shows at a maximum of 128x128 on this site, right? And 200x200 on Gravatar.com?
 
@Hyppy shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
6:24 PM
love it when designers send me vectors! tack on more time / money to convert to psd.
 
@Hyppy you can ask for it in any size gravatar.com/avatar/…
 
yey! update tuesday!
 
@Iain That maxes out at 512, it seems?
 
If I wasn't so lazy I'd strip that stupid translate out of it too... the one thing I truly hate about Inkscape.
 
@ChrisS sniffle error on line 1 at column 35: parsing XML declaration: '?>' expected sniffle
 
6:36 PM
what is this ? returnings week ? First @Hyppy and now @DanBig
@Hyppy hmm
 
@voretaq7 Oops, fixed. =]
Got a little excessive with the trimming apparently... took out some critical piece
 
@ChrisS Now it places the XML in the validator....
 
@Iain yeah, took a bit of a hiatus. I ragequit when I was at like 84 consecutive days or something and one of my logins didn't seem to register :-P
 
:(
 
Any idea why people from India always seem to translate concern/question to the word to doubt?
 
6:44 PM
@Zoredache you'll probably get a better answer from Sythia on SU
 
@voretaq7 Notepad++ said it was valid =]
@Zoredache It's likely an idiom of their language, like doubling the "please" to "please kindly". I'd compare it to French and Spanish traditionally adding two words to negate a verb...
 
Ry.
@ChrisS hell, probably the BOM screwing with the browser
@ChrisS you can only think of one thing? I can think of a couple without even thinking!
 
@Ry I accidentally erased the "?" before the ">" on the first line... Though a BOM would do it too I think.
@Ry There's lots of things I don't care for, but I only really hate that one thing.
 
Ry.
@ChrisS it depressed me how universal mis-handling of a BOM is
@ChrisS The biggest frustration is you can't easily specify a circle as a point, radius, fill and edge style.
 
@ChrisS @Zoredache there's a whole thing on ELU about it actually: english.stackexchange.com/questions/2429/…
 
Ry.
6:57 PM
@ChrisS in general, shape handling is much harder than it needs to be - you can't specify (easily) that a shape should be so far from another shape, or easily grab a bunch of shapes and say "make these all 1mm apart" or "combine edges"
I find myself editing the XML directly to get what I want out of inkscape far too often
 
(and what's this about spanish adding two words to negate a verb? I don't recall that...)
 
@Ry I find myself telecommuting for a week to avoid notice when people around me mention Inkscape.
 
Ry.
@Hyppy good plan
 
@Ry Meh, writing the XML for a circle is quick enough that it doesn't bother me.
 
Ry.
@ChrisS try writing hundreds, or thousands. I ended up writing an XML emitter for my project
 
6:59 PM
@voretaq7 Usually in response to a question. "No, no se..."
 
Ry.
I want to know where the construction "yes, no" came from and kill it. "Do you want to X?" "Yeah, no, I don't"
 
@Hyppy That's no different than (complete) responses in english though - "Do you know ...?" / "No, I don't know"
 
Of all the things in this world that I would like to kill, "yes, no" would rank fairly low on the list. Fairly being somewhere in the 10 significant hex digits address range.
 
@Ry I usually only draw beziers or similar with Inkscape. Or use it to auto-gen shapes, like the BOFH Phone. My "drawings" are usually fairly simple.
 
@voretaq7 It's a lot more common in Spanish, and it's almost always in "No, no" form.
 
7:02 PM
@Ry So you've got a better alternative?
 
@Hyppy I'm with @Ry - an affirmative-negative response is indicative of a bad question and a bad response
 
Ry.
@ChrisS vi
 
@voretaq7 Hrm... Very interesting.
 
Ry.
@ChrisS I'm usually drawing for a laser cutter, so perhaps my use case is far enough outside InkScape's target market that they spend no time on it.
 
@Hyppy I think it's more noticeable because spanish (and other romance languages) encode the subject in the verb conjugation so there's often no separate "I" between the negative response and the negated verb (don't know)
 
Ry.
7:07 PM
Here is a project that I started in Inkscape and ended up writing an XML emitter for: flickr.com/photos/ryjones/7111989621 taking a couple hundred names and statuses and creating badges
getting inkscape to flow the text correctly was Simply Not Happening
 
Ry.
also, yarr, win 8 VMs hosted on a server, attached from my laptop using VMWare's client, slow both the VM and my laptop to a crawl. Attaching via RDC is A-OK. Reinstalling VMWare drivers is no help.
 
thats funny, cause my wife works for a type foundry. shes always pointing out fonts used in print and when she gets back to the office, checks to see if they paid for it and sues if they didnt
 
Ry.
@ChrisS oh, I see the bad kerning. There's another, more subtle flaw, if you can find it.
(flaw in the rendering)
 
@ChrisS Keming?
 
7:13 PM
@Ry I just picked up the ARA immediately and had to jump on the chance to reference XKCD. =]
 
Ry.
@voretaq7 I can't tell "modem" from "modern" without stopping to look closely
@ChrisS :) the other flaw in rendering is most noticeable on letters that join themselves - the laser registration was very slightly off due to a slipping drive cable, so the lines miss each other by ~.05-.10 mm
I see all those offset laser cuts as daggers to my heart
 
I think this is somehow a telling tale of our reality
 
@PeterGrace WHERE IS YOUR BOFH LOVE?
 
@ChrisS I just now realized that his letters are hand-drawn
 
@Hyppy the dialog? yeah
 
7:20 PM
Oh CUPS, how I loathe thee.
 
@voretaq7 And the caption
 
@Hyppy yup
@Adrian hey! Without cups how would we drink our coffee?
 
@TylerShads I am not a BOFH
 
@voretaq7 Well, it would warm YOUR little heart. The state of the docs for CUPS is miserable. lpoptions purports to be able to change printer setting from the CLI, but you actually have to use lpadmin to change quite a few of them.
 
Yeah... That says it all
 
7:32 PM
Goddamn CUPS. I hate how it randomly decides to ignore the BrowseDeny and BrowseAllow settings as well.
 
@Hyppy The whole comic is hand drawn, on paper, then scanned and cleaned up before publishing.
Some elements are added digitally, the shading in most of the comics, frames, and a few digital artifacts (dead pixels in the sky... xkcd.com/395)
 
Cute. Now one of the client servers decided to re-route all the CUPS queues to /dev/null.
eyeroll
 
At least it's a valid destination. =]
 
@Adrian what do you want from a project Apple abandoned to the Linux hordes? :)
 
7:38 PM
@voretaq7 Point. Valid point. The broadcasting method for propogating that stuff really sucks.
So damn easy for users to set up a rogue CUPS server and all the clients grab all the queues from there.
I could use iptables to filter that, but the Devs would immediately shit themselves if they saw that change notification go through.
 
7:54 PM
@PeterGrace we should talk.
 
@PeterGrace one of us. one of us. one of us.
 
ANy thoughts on this one?
 
arggg fuck you Ubuntu
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Q: Centralized virtualization (ESXi, XenServer) in a completely Windows-free environment

cmckendryI'm looking into deploying a small (one or two host servers) non-production virtualization initiative for our company. We need it to be high performance and host shared resources for a number of users. I'm moderately familiar with both VMWare ESXi and Citrix XenServer, and know that we would be h...

or did I miss the discussion?
 
@ewwhite pete.grace@gmail.com is my google talk, or se.petergrace for skype.
 
7:58 PM
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we're about to have a company meeting though so text vs. call would be better
 
not not... it can wait a bit
 

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