The Comms Room

RobM

1:00 PM

What have you won?

MDMarra

I'm in chat later than @Basil

Which means I got to work after him.

Which means I win

Although, after reading the chat logs, it sounds like he was losing today already :/

RobM

ah.. cool.

Yes, very true. Not a great day for Basil by the sound of it

Michael Hampton

What part of "dead" was unclear? Use in production? That card should never be used for anything again. — Michael Hampton 1 min ago

pauska

@ewwhite ping

@@ewwhite pingping

MDMarra

1:22 PM

@pauska pong

@@pauska pongpong

pauska

Y U NOT EWWHITE

GO AWAY PLZ

MDMarra

:(

I have a hurricane meeting in 4 minutes anyway

Michael Hampton

@pauska It looks like he was up very late last night. Try again later.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra 0800 32aa 0001 1ab1 6162 6364

MDMarra

I dont know what that means

Scott Pack

1:30 PM

@MDMarra ping

Type 8, code 0, checksum 0x32aa

The rest is the first 8 bytes of the echo request data segment.

Seriously.

Michael Hampton

qmail is the MTA that hasn't seen an update since forever and a half, right?

RobM

That and it was designed by lucifer himself after someone bet him that he couldn't make something worse than Lotus Notes, yes.

Basil

@MDMarra I got in early today

RobM

You drop a screwdriver down a ventilation hole in the power supply at the back of a VAX 11/780. You expect:
A. A very careful removal process
B. A power supply failure
C. A nasty >crack< noise
D. Power outage to the computer room?
E. Looting of the shops in the two adjacent streets after the local transformer trips out

Dan

@RobM All of the above, except A

RobM

1:36 PM

correct

Basil

Update for that DR test- apparently management didn't notice that the data being used was brought over after the declaration of the DR, so it's being booked as a delay rather than something that can cause us to fail the test. I'm not going to be the one to tell them about it.

HopelessN00b

@RobM Lotus Notes isn't that bad. It's just not a mail program. It's a database UI. That IBM tried to cram mail into. And then made too easy to use, so every moron who shouldn't allowed near a computer made databases and websites (as databases) with it.

Dan

@Basil This may put my integrity on the line, but what management don't know....

RobM

why go looking for trouble, I say.

pauska

@ScottPack Nerd. Seriously.

Michael Hampton

1:38 PM

Hm, I used to call it Bloated Goats...

RobM

@HopelessN00b the problem with lettuce goats is mainly the UI.

and hey, its not qmail, so there's that.

Basil

@Dan It's not clueless management either- it's my boss's boss, and he's as good at what we do as we are

HopelessN00b

@RobM No arguments here, but if you view it as a database UI/IDE, like, say Access... it's suddenly much less horrible. And then you realize that someone at IBM probably got paid millions to decide "hey, let's cram mail into that," and the horrible feelings come rushing back.

Basil

It's also not my place to be analysing the effects of others' errors.

RobM

They never entirely went away after having to DR one, once @HopelessN00b

@basil there's something to be said for knowing something is not your fault or your problem, I think.

HopelessN00b

1:43 PM

@RobM Right, then there's that. Anytime I have to work with a database that isn't in SQL, I have a sudden urge to buy a bunch of ammo and a subscription to one of those find anyone's address websites for some reason.

RobM

yup

Michael Hampton

0

Q: How to log into server using ssh connection (Im using helios)

My host has quoted me this: Have you checked that your php script runs OK from the command line? The cron process needs to activate the command-line version of php - /usr/bin/php - because it can't by itself process php scripts without an interpreter running. So, I've set the job to r...

pauska

what's the markdown for tags again?

nope

<t>dildos</t>

RobM

[tag]effing markdown[/tag]

nope

ewwhite

@pauska Hmm?

RobM

1:46 PM

[effing markdown]

ballsacks

pauska

cuntpoop

ok

it's [tag:bleh ]

RobM

so what was it?

pauska

without the extra whitespace

RobM

ah cheers

fucking-markdown

3

there.

i am so looking forward to not having to get up early tomorrow. bloody worn out this week

pauska

@ewwhite Yo man. I was thinking about re-wiring the backplane of my DL360 G5 into the SAS HBA (as in ditching the P400i). Where do you get cables for this? The one already there is way too short, and it looks like a very custom cable since it has to fit in the 1U chassi..

ewwhite

1:53 PM

@pauska You'd only have 4 or 6 slots.

anywho, the cable is going to depend on which SAS HBA you choose to use.

2

A: Can I use a Smart Array P410 controller on a HP Proliant DL 180 G5 server?

This will depend on your backplane connections and whether you can find the right parts. You can use the P410 in an older server, but you'll need to change SAS cables to match the specific backplane connections. G5 systems usually used internal SAS SFF-8484 connectors to mate the Smart Array P400...

G5 backplanes use SFF-8484 cables.

but current HBA's use SFF-8087 ports.

Michael Hampton

Morning @ewwhite. Need a coffee?

pauska

both the HBA and the backplane has SFF-8484

guess I'll just have to find a long and slim one that easily bend..

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton This was my first week on-call.

f-ing terrible.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I saw a comment on SF from you at a very ungodly hour and figured it had to be something like that.

ewwhite

At 3am... disk replacement on a RHEL 5.2 system with no KVM, DRAC, ILO, IPMI or serial....

and only software RAID

Michael Hampton

1:56 PM

Which ran until 6am, or later.

ewwhite

when the first level tech replaced the disk... and did the disk rescan, the server went read-only and needed a physical reboot

but then had a fsck... since it has been up for over 300-something days

but they called me because I was the escalation resource.

Michael Hampton

So you got to go in and watch fsck run?!

ewwhite

no, I had to sit with them on the phone to help talk them through.

Michael Hampton

Oh, god, that's worse.

ewwhite

I've never used Linux software RAID... I really don't understand how people buy hardware without a real controller.

is it true that disk replacements with SW RAID require copying partition tables and such?

Michael Hampton

1:59 PM

I have to admit I've never used Linux software RAID either, and the few times I've done anything with it, it's only been Google that got me through...

Chris S

@HopelessN00b Doesn't appear to be linked to any mSO user... You must have pissed him off on another site?

ewwhite

the first level tech was like, "oh, I'm taking a copy of the partition table and applying it to the new disk"

so a disk replacement caused 3 hours of downtime?

Michael Hampton

It was at least RAID 1, right?

ewwhite

Just RAID 1

on Redhat EL5.2.

Michael Hampton

OK, so mdraid operates on partitions, not whole disks, so copying the partition table would probably be step #1.

ewwhite

2:01 PM

I always wondered how people have such old versions of Linux...

Chris S

@ewwhite Shouldn't that just be fdisk -p /dev/old_disk | fdisk -f - /dev/new_disk?

Michael Hampton

They put something into production and nobody looks at it for five years, until something breaks.

ewwhite

@ChrisS maybe... but that seems janky

RobM

if it ain't broke, don't fix

ewwhite

to have to even think about that.

RobM

2:03 PM

especially when the list of actually broken things that needs fixing never makes it to <1

Chris S

@ewwhite Oh, I completely agree... Just saying that it should take seconds to duplicate a partition table.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, it is. But hey, they saved a few bucks on not having to buy a RAID card!

ewwhite

@pauska startech.com/Cables/Drive/SAS/…

@MichaelHampton I just get around it by buying servers that don't need an add-in RAID card.

every HP server of any decent quality has onboard RAID

thus, no driver issues (LSI cards are the worst)

and you know the setup is purpose-built.

Michael Hampton

Oh, stick with it. I'm sure you'll see even crazier things in white box servers.

Chris S

@ewwhite ebay.com/itm/…

ewwhite

2:06 PM

@MichaelHampton I just think it's irresponsible

the quality of the hardware is quite low... and without any real reason.

I think I'm good proof that cost can be eliminated from the equation.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, cost really shouldn't be an issue.

Though..I think the worst thing I've seen in a server was a low-end Intel desktop motherboard. The ones that cost $50...

RobM

argh

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton So I wonder if I'll be able to change the culture...

Probably not...

Michael Hampton

Influence, perhaps.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Best I've seen is one where it was an ancient rack server, couldn't find the right size replacement power supply, so they got a generic one and duct taped it in place.

ewwhite

2:10 PM

I'll give an example... I've been there 45 days... and have seen something like 20 RAID controller battery replacements.

Michael Hampton

Out of how many RAID controller batteries?

ewwhite

Each one requiring downtime...

reboot, data center staff, etc.

not sure out of how many... several were on the same system

they have a battery charging station/chassis to be able to deliver a freshly-charged BBWC to a system in need.

but it's moot. The batteries are failing because of poor cooling.

bad chassis design.

and that they're located ON the raid card.

but I come in and see this as disruptive... and think, why not use flash-based cache?

I haven't dealt with RAID batteries in a few years.

But when companies grow, these types of things get exposed.

Michael Hampton

And of course management doesn't really think it's a problem.

RobM

well its not them up at 3am is it?

ewwhite

They acknowledge, but I think they've all been there too long... and just think that the Dell and HP stuff costs too much.

Michael Hampton

2:19 PM

That part, at least, you can easily answer. Hint: Draw graphs.

You DO have a copy of PowerPoint, right?

ewwhite

Am I being biased?

yes, I have powerpoint

Michael Hampton

Sure, but your bias is toward doing high quality work.

~~Sometimes~~ All too often, "good enough" is all they want.

ewwhite

Oh, I know... but I see the outages and the reasons for them as being unacceptable

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I would too. Especially if it were me being dragged out of bed at 3 am. So run the numbers and figure out the total cost of ownership...

ewwhite

they have ZERO hp systems

Chris S

2:23 PM

@ewwhite yes, biased by experience and uncommon sense. =]

Michael Hampton

Didn't you say they were evaluating Dell at one point?

ewwhite

and they decided not to... but the cost probably wasn't right.

Michael Hampton

If cost really is their main concern, I think you can manage to convince them.

ewwhite

by saying... "I can get you HP at a great price?"

No more LSI controller issues, cooling problems or issues with low-end RAID.

Chris S

@ewwhite HP's SmartArray controllers are rebadged LSI chips. =P

ewwhite

2:34 PM

@ChrisS Nuh uh...

Only their HBA's are LSI models.

But it's the protocol, driver and management features that I care about.

Chris S

Details...

ewwhite

LSI HBA's have been quite good to me.

<-- grabs P410 controller from under bed... (don't ask)

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS shrug Must have. Unfortunately, that does kind of invalidate my theory about SO being the root of all evil. :(

Chris S

I think I've got a P410 or two laying around here.. From when we switched to the SAN.

ewwhite

I see an Altera FPGA... PMC Sierra chipset.

(dog is chewing on said Smart Array P410 controller now)

tombull89

2:43 PM

0

Q: A server in a LAN to use as a Firewall, Proxy, DHCP, DNS, must be turned off when there is no staff at the office?

To control the Internet, the server can not be in a collocation service or in the cloud. If it does not, should have conditions like in a datacenter?

lan datacenter

Dan

@tombull89 Hilariously I can't get to the main site because it's "web chat"

Journeyman Geek

he wants to control... the whole internet?

Michael Hampton

1

Q: How to use postfix to carbon copy HP ePrint

I'd like to print using ePrint using a local e-mail (or alias) like printer@example.com instead of myprinter@hpeprint.com. For what I've already played with the ePrint service from HP, the service won't print anything which have not the myprint@hpeprint as a "to" or "cc" field, meaning that my fi...

postfix smtp gentoo

MDMarra

Well that was a pleasant hurricane meeting

It was 15 minutes of reviewing the actual DR plan and 45 minutes talking about things everyone should have for their families.

Matt Simmons

At least you had one.

MDMarra

2:52 PM

Oh, we have a really thorough one

At least from an IT perspective

Ladadadada

Windows XP and an iPad? Who does that?

0

Q: Can't connect to windows xp vpn server from ipad

I have configured windows xp VPN Server on my laptop as described here: http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking/xp_vpn_server.htm. When I try to connect through other PC in my LAN, everything works correct - I can connect and use Internet through encrypted VPN. However iPad cannot connect - can ...

vpn windows-xp pptp ipad

MDMarra

We have DR meetings every friday anyway, which is why the hurricane meeting was so short

Michael Hampton

@Ladadadada Somebody playing around at home.

MDMarra

It was basically "Everyone cool with this? Is everyone's account able to issue a tape delivery request? Is everyone currently on the "allowed in a disaster" list at sungard? Ok, does anyone know where I can get a generator for my house?"

Matt Simmons

very cool.

You should write-up a "How to run a DR meeting" thing

MDMarra

2:59 PM

That's a good idea

Matt Simmons

Actually

if you want a place to publish it

I know the perfect thing

Are you familiar with SysAdvent?

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Anyone bring up how inconsiderate you're being to the rest of the country by having this hurricane now?

It's spamming up the news, disrupting travel, and just... if you're gonna have a hurricane, at least get some buy in and schedule it for a more convenient time.

ewwhite

Lovin' the Midwest right about now.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Damn straight. We're considerate to the rest of nation. We don't have hurricanes or earthquakes or disasters that inconvenience the rest of the nation. Because we're considerate.

ewwhite

Except for that whole Ohio determining-the-presidental-election thing.

HopelessN00b

3:05 PM

@ewwhite Right, well, Ohio sucks. But even Ohio gave that up to the dumbest-of-the-dumb in Florida that one year.

t1nt1n

Hye guys, dont want to open a Q) as I think its stupid. But Im trying to inflate a volume and its hanging. Cancle dont seem to do anything (I dont care about the data) how can I stop it?

HopelessN00b

@t1nt1n power button?

Well, don't do that, but it would work.

Tried to force kill the process?

t1nt1n

It didnt :P

I rebooted the NAS and its still trying to inflate (Vmware found it again) :@ as I said dont care about the data on that disks. Just need to stop the operation.

HopelessN00b

Alright... needs moar details. What, specifically is trying to inflate what here?

t1nt1n

a vmdk. Was Thin provisioned but need a thick volume (Dont ask!) so inflated it but is stuck inflating. (been going for ~ 10 hours) (500GB) cba with it now just want it stoped before i go home in 50 mins... Ill open a Q if its a major one.

Michael Hampton

3:11 PM

Eh, who cares. Go home and let it run overnight.

t1nt1n

But what if the IT pixies get to it?

You know what those pixies do to cables. What about half inflated storage? If that got tangled!

HopelessN00b

@t1nt1n Well, you could try rebooting the ESX host running the operation, which sounds like a far worse idea than leaving it for the IT pixies overnight.

t1nt1n

Yep. Going to leave it I thinks.

Michael Hampton

@t1nt1n Before you go home, put some magic self-healing server pixie dust on the ESX host.

t1nt1n

Just put my laptop away that has been out since I got to work (Dont work on laptop) Remember why I got it out. Need to print some shit... God... Forgetdfull

Michael Hampton

3:15 PM

I put notes to myself in the ticket system.

t1nt1n

@MichaelHampton Will do that now. Ive put some cabled outside the serveroom so hopefully they wont go in there!

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Buy Milk.

MDMarra

@MattSimmons Nope, do tell.

Matt Simmons

3:31 PM

OK, so SysAdvent is a community blog that's run by Jordan Sissel every December.

It's set up much like the Perl Advent Calendar, with one entry per day, from Dec1-24 (with a bonus entry by Jordan on the 25th)

MDMarra

Oh, cool

Matt Simmons

The idea is to have the community come together to create something useful. sysadvent.blogspot.com

is the address

MDMarra

Yeah, I would be interested. Who do I get in touch with?

HopelessN00b

Hey, am I imagining things again, or was there a thread here about per-process memory limits under various Windows editions?

MDMarra

2GB in x86 editions or 3 with the /3GB switch?

Matt Simmons

3:40 PM

Drop me an email (standalone.sysadmin@gmail.com) and I'll get you in touch with Jordan. I just don't want to spread his email on the chat window :-)

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Oh, damn, was that it? I was thinking there was a more comprehensive one. W2k3, x64 is the current pain in my ass, "throw moar RAM at it" is the dumbass idea I'm trying to shoot down. :/

MDMarra

@MattSimmons Sure thing

HopelessN00b

@MattSimmons Yeah, be careful with that email thing. I sent an email once, no good came of it. I'm starting to think I'll never get any of the money that Nigerian oil minister promised me. :(

MDMarra

I haaaate when people write mb and then they get all high and mighty when I ask if they mean Mb or MB

It's not my fault that you don't understand the value of units. Literally.

SmallClanger

@MDMarra or mB (millibytes)

MDMarra

3:47 PM

Yeah, but that's a lot more rare

Shane Madden

mebibits? ;)

SmallClanger

@ShaneMadden That's a fuzzy logic thing, right?

voretaq7

@MDMarra Kibibits. For feeding to digital dogs.

MDMarra

Couldn't you just configure a url redirect at the registrar? — ErnieTheGeek 1 min ago

Does anyone know what that even means?

(click through and VTC the question as well)

voretaq7

@MDMarra It means ErnieTheGeek doesn't understand the difference between DNS and HTTP.

Joel E Salas

4:03 PM

I lold mightily

Iain

evening

MDMarra

'afternoon

Michael Hampton

1

Q: *2 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream

2012/10/26 14:57:49 [error] 14180#0: *2 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream, client: 24.0.20.48, server: , request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:81/", host: "107.20.184.144" This is the nginx error that I get which results in a 503 error. Not ...

nginx ruby-on-rails

Save me...

Matt Simmons

@HopelessN00b Keep trying, they'll warm up to you eventually!

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton take 3 steps back and forget the question exists

Iain

4:06 PM

@MichaelHampton just walk away from it

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do.

voretaq7

@MDMarra You think I should kick that redirect question back and leave a lecture?

MDMarra

I would

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Yes. And give one to ErnietheGeek as well.

@ErnieTheGeek There's a slight difference between DNS and an http redirect. — HopelessN00b 49 secs ago

Michael Hampton

Sheesh, he just posted another question regarding the same problem.

1

Q: Apache2 not working well with Rails

I inherited a project that uses Apache2 to server a Rails app (I assume passenger is in the mix, but I'm not sure). That then sits behind nginx, in what I believe is called a reverse proxy. I'm not entirely sure what's going on, but when I hit it on the browser, I get a 503, no servers found erro...

apache2 nginx phusion-passenger

MDMarra

4:08 PM

Who keeps upvoting him

Michael Hampton

No idea.

Iain

serverfault.com/questions/442714/linux-permissions-for-apache NARQ ?

voretaq7

Somehow this got sent over to Server Fault -- there's nowhere near enough information here for us to answer this question over there. (See @ghoti's comment, and if you would like to re-ask this question on Server Fault note that at a bare minimum we would need to know what web server you're using to tell you how to set up redirects.) — voretaq7 14 secs ago

@Iain I'd say so -- if you want to leave them a love note pointing at the "how to ask a decent freakin' question" meta after you kick it back it may help them in the future

HopelessN00b

Oh crap. Looks like I accidentally deleted my .htaccess file. Now I've got to figure out how to rebuild it. — Thread7 12 hours ago

So, not so much NARQ as PEBKAC.

Iain

@HopelessN00b oh yeah - I don't think that would cause a 403 though

if it's not there then Apache just don't know and doesn't care

HopelessN00b

4:12 PM

@Iain Well, since there's no PEBKAC close vote reason (feature request?), NARQ will have to do...

ewwhite

So I moved my DNS for my domain to amazon

but there was an issue and Godaddy's service dropped my zone.

so I got that corrected, but for the most part, my domain doesn't seem to exist on the net.

propagation time, right?

voretaq7

@ewwhite probably. Do you exist at the appropriate TLD server?

ewwhite

Well, I'm getting some mail...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Your glue records are OK?

Or at least the defined nameservers?

ewwhite

yeah, defined nameservers are:

ns-684.awsdns-21.net., ns-1501.awsdns-59.org., ns-1561.awsdns-03.co.uk., ns-273.awsdns-34.com.

I can dig against them.

I checked from a few clients, though. Microsoft DNS needs a cache flush

Iain

4:21 PM

@ewwhite which domain(s)?

ewwhite

ewwhite.net

Iain

@ewwhite resolves to 205.243.147.165 for me

voretaq7

Oh. My. God.

0

Q: How to log into server using ssh connection (Im using helios)

My host has quoted me this: Have you checked that your php script runs OK from the command line? The cron process needs to activate the command-line version of php - /usr/bin/php - because it can't by itself process php scripts without an interpreter running. So, I've set the job to r...

linux ssh cron

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite 205.243.147.165 for me as well.

voretaq7

headdesk

ewwhite

4:23 PM

mx records, though...

Michael Hampton

error@underground ~ $ host -t ns ewwhite.net
ewwhite.net name server ns-273.awsdns-34.com.
ewwhite.net name server ns-684.awsdns-21.net.
ewwhite.net name server ns-1501.awsdns-59.org.
ewwhite.net name server ns-1561.awsdns-03.co.uk.
error@underground ~ $ host ewwhite.net
ewwhite.net has address 205.243.147.165
ewwhite.net mail is handled by 10 d18316b.ess.barracudanetworks.com.
ewwhite.net mail is handled by 20 d18316a.ess.barracudanetworks.com.
ewwhite.net mail is handled by 30 sante.ewwhite.net.

Iain

@ewwhite and your NS records are all awsdns machines

ewwhite

My mail forwarding from Apple icloud (I know) doesn't work.

stale DNS...

@Iain I was moving away from godaddy.com after they got hacked by Anonymous last month.

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Well, we DID vote to close...

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton I'm just baffled that someone would come here and ask that

Michael Hampton

4:25 PM

I see you don't ENTIRELY trust Barracuda anymore.... :)

voretaq7

isn't SSH like the first thing a *nix newbie learns?

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Not even that. He bought shared web hosting somewhere.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Well, yeah...

But I made this switch yesterday around this time...

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Not just *nix n00bs. Networking newbies, and even anyone who's on the road to being a not-awful Windows admin learns SSH right off the bat.

ewwhite

seems like some sites are caching old/bad records.

Michael Hampton

4:27 PM

@ewwhite It depends, really, what the cache times were for the OLD records, and finding out that is going to be... hard?

ewwhite

TTL's were 3600

Michael Hampton

Yeah, but what was in the SOA?

Iain

@ewwhite I've seen questions here that suggest that it can take weeks for some DNS servers to flush their records

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I didn't get a dump of the zone.

Iain

@ewwhite I've heard that lots of DNS servers ignore TTLs

Michael Hampton

4:28 PM

Hm. Well. Regardless, at this point, the only thing you can really do is wait.

ewwhite

@Iain I've noticed!

Michael Hampton

@Iain Oh so true. Google's one of the worst offenders.

ewwhite

There's only one I care about... and that's Apple's iCloud shit.

voretaq7

@ewwhite @Iain cough*AOL*cough

84104

Verizon also took (takes?) two weeks.

ewwhite

4:29 PM

I have been using a mac.com address for years...

and I've been slowly moving away

Iain

I've never had a problem changing DNS records

ewwhite

yeah, I did the same for three other clients yesterday

all went smoothly

Michael Hampton

None of them are using Apple's iCloud, though?

ewwhite

but I think when I change the top level NS record on godaddy.com, they completely delete the zone

icloud just forwards mail from my old address to ewwhite.net...

Michael Hampton

Yep, they assume your other nameservers are up and running.

OK, so I missed a detail here. What is iCloud doing?

or not doing?

MDMarra

4:32 PM

@HopelessN00b You really can try and be a little nicer in some comments on main.

ewwhite

icloud is just forwarding mail to from my @mac.com address to my @ewwhite.net

and it can't resolve the MX record for ewwhite.net

probably because of DNS caching

WesleyDavid

Loool. I answered a question about a slow VMware datastore late last night because I couldn't sleep. I went for the stock answer of "check your physical network first" and figured I'd get downvoted or flamed. Instead, I wake up to this

I did some digging around and apparently I did have a 1gig card in the workstation. For some reason it had auto-detected to 100. When I set it manually to 1gig, full duplex, the performance is much improved. Uploading a 4.5gb iso took less than 10 minutes. Thanks, Simmo — Simmo 7 hours ago

84104

@ewwhite So your old MX is no good?

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid Like a baws

ewwhite

@84104 it is... but in making the switch, godaddy seemed to kill the zone entirely.

84104

4:35 PM

@ewwhite But if mac.com cached info I don't see how that's a problem?

ewwhite

[root@Piazza ~]# host ewwhite.net
Host ewwhite.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

84104

@ewwhite dig +trace

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite OK, so all that should happen is the mail sits in queue for a day or two and when their DNS servers finally update it will get delivered.

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Q: FTP failing on Plesk (times out)

Running Plesk Panel 11.0.4 on a linux virtual dedicated, as of late, FTP has been constantly failing with the following info from FileZilla. Status: Waiting to retry... Status: Connecting to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:21... Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message... Error: Connection t...

ftp plesk

DIE

ewwhite

;; Received 498 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 12 ms

ewwhite.net.            172800  IN      NS      ns-684.awsdns-21.net.
ewwhite.net.            172800  IN      NS      ns-273.awsdns-34.com.
ewwhite.net.            172800  IN      NS      ns-1561.awsdns-03.co.uk.
ewwhite.net.            172800  IN      NS      ns-1501.awsdns-59.org.
;; Received 198 bytes from 192.26.92.30#53(c.gtld-servers.net) in 29 ms

ewwhite.net.            3600    IN      A       205.243.147.165
ewwhite.net.            172800  IN      NS      ns-273.awsdns-34.com.

@MichaelHampton Which is usually not a problem... usually it's a couple of hours.

84104

@ewwhite This is on the same box?

ewwhite

4:37 PM

@84104 yes

Michael Hampton

OK, so... 172800 is.. two days.

ewwhite

ah...

84104

nscd?

ewwhite

@84104 no... a windows DNS server that needs its cache flushed

Michael Hampton

Waitasec. I have DNSSEC records? I don't remember doing that...

Iain

4:38 PM

ewwhite.net. 287 IN MX 10 d18316b.ess.barracudanetworks.com.
ewwhite.net. 287 IN MX 20 d18316a.ess.barracudanetworks.com.
ewwhite.net. 287 IN MX 30 sante.ewwhite.net.

Michael Hampton

I asked a question on SO today. It completely disappeared into the muck. So I went to the home page, and found the default tab was not "active" but something new called "interesting"...

Iain

@MichaelHampton when did you originally vote on serverfault.com/questions/426100/ftp-failing-on-plesk-times-out

Michael Hampton

@Iain Just a moment ago, why?

I don't think I saw that when he originally posted it, or I would have done so then.

Iain

@MichaelHampton it was autoflagged for low quality so I closed it TL but saw one TL on it already

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton So what should the TTL for my NS records be?

Michael Hampton

4:41 PM

The TTL on my GoDaddy NS records is 3600...

Iain

wasn't sure if you'd TLed it when it was originally asked

Michael Hampton

No, if I'd seen it originally I probably would have hit NARQ

ewwhite

Blog - Stack Exchange: New DNS Provider

Jeff Atwood on September 11, 2009

Our domain name registrar is GoDaddy. We’ve had a lot of problems with GoDaddy’s handling of DNS, where DNS entries will suddenly appear and disappear at random. Often, changing a completely unrelated DNS record would result in other DNS entries going missing for hours. Extremely frustrating.

As a result of many, many bad experiences, over the weekend, we’ll be switching DNS providers. I asked around about quality DNS providers and I got a few consistent recommendations:

EasyDNS ZoneEdit DynDNS / Dynect UltraDNS DNSMadeEasy EveryDNS …

Michael Hampton

Dyn.com. Good guys. One of their sysadmins is my gf's ex. (!!!)

WesleyDavid

Really, GoDaddy for DNS? That's like finding out the pit crew of an F1 team uses Fischer Price toys for wrenches.

They are cute though.

MDMarra

4:45 PM

I'm surprised that someone of their size doesn't host their own authoritative DNS servers, tbh

84104

@MDMarra Likewise.

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Yeah, me too. UltraDNS is pretty badass from what I know though.

ewwhite

I should have lowered TTL before switching...

Iain

@MDMarra I thought SE did too - I (think I) remember Kyle blogging about it

@ewwhite for sure

ewwhite

but even if, the cached records should have remained

I didn't change MX

so it's almost like a bad NS entry was pushed out

Michael Hampton

4:47 PM

Then again, the last time my gf's ex was over here, the first thing he said to me was "I've never seen Nagios with so much green..."

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Wait, what brings this up? I am being nice. Or... this is me being nice? I'm confused. Really, what comment brings this up?

ewwhite

server gremlins, perhaps...

Michael Hampton

You changed your DNS after midnight, didn't you?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Yesterday at noon

Michael Hampton

Well, so much for that attempt at a joke...

84104

4:51 PM

It's always Miller time somewhere.

ewwhite

SO I'm stuck using icloud webmail

MDMarra

@HopelessN00b The one about the guy that thought you could do a redirect using DNS

I've noticed you've just been sort of rude in comments lately. In fact, I've flagged a bunch. Nothing personal, but everyone's been trying to put their best foot forward on main these last few months. That's all

Oh fuck, @Iain is rubbing off on me

3

errrrm

;)

Please, not in chat.

4:56 PM

@Iain Maybe you misunderstood. It's an American term for sexual grinding.

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