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1:27 PM
@SmallClanger haha, good point, how would you pad the answer to that to make it more than 30 characters (or whatever the min answer length is)
 
@jscott: haha nice work with the comment :D
I didnt know you could put that in
 
<!---- ------>
or something
 
<!-- comment -->
 
although when I try to do that in comments, it never works
 
nice! where do you find a list of html, or markup that you can use on the stack exchange? I guess the main thing I've wanted to know is how to make some font smaller
 
1:46 PM
@Holocryptic Can't put HTML tags in comments... Can in answers.
 
Oh the first two paragraphs of this are a joy:
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Q: PowerConnect switches, Juniper firewalls and esx redundancy

Chris KookenLet me preface this question by saying that I am a developer and have basic knowledge of networking. My current job requires that I wear many hats. I am building out a DataCenter for our SaaS Application and have purchased all the hardware on ebay. 2x Juniper SSG-5 2X Dell PowerConnect 5324 3X ...

 
ebay is where I buy all my equipment for a datacenter
..........
 
@SmallClanger Time for a one-word answer "Don't".
Or, for a bit more, "Don't do it. Get someone in that knows what they are doing"
@Nixphoe JESUS. I thought you were joking.
 
Maybe he gets his electricity on ebay, too?
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I was joking
@SmallClanger nice!
 
1:51 PM
@Nixphoe I know what you mean, but I didn't think he'd actually got the stuff from ebay.
 
"FOR SALE!!! 50,000 kWH, BARELEE USED" etc.
 
ooooooooooh! Yeah, the only way that would be any better is if he got his equipment from craigslist
 
so...what servers is he using? "ESX hosts" don't fill me with much confidence.
Don't suppose TomTom is still suspended? He'd have fun with that one...
 
Okay, somehow I missed the fountain pen discussion
:(
this is what I've got on me today:
 
That's a finely tuned writing instrument (and costly)
 
2:10 PM
Hi Guys
Anyone have one of the malware infected Cisco CDs
 
@wfaulk It's a pen... that costs $175... I've got a dozen pens on my desk that work just fine, they cost a collective $2.
 
@ChrisS Yeah, but they suck and create an asston of waste
 
For as little as I use actual pens, their suckage doesn't add up to $175 + ink worth; and the waste is probably similar to what it takes to create that thing. I don't suppose the manufacturer mentions the production carbon footprint per pen...
 
@wfaulk very nice. I have the lowly Safari on me ATM: lamyusa.com/lamy_fountain_L17_safari.php
@wfaulk you use Noodler's ink at all?
 
2:52 PM
@ErikA Yep. Bottle of Forest Green on my desk right now
 
3:09 PM
morning
 
yo.
 
ITS HOBO
what's up?
 
@ErikA the safari is a nice pen, but I can't come to terms with that funky grip
howdy @hobodave
 
still struggling conceptually with vlans
 
What is the proper term for the key of a DNS record (using key in the key:value) sense?
 
3:11 PM
@hobodave Think of each vlan as a separate switch
 
yea
it's the practical application of such that is the issue
 
@KyleBrandt "host"? 's what I always used
 
@KyleBrandt a DNS record? an A record? huh? I dont get it.
 
I' trying to get my wireless AP configured properly
 
Well a record is a key:value pair yes?
 
3:12 PM
it's working (I'm on here via it), but it's in my "default" VLAN 1
 
Well, I guess there is a type in there as well...
 
@pauska that's the problem is a generic word for "any" DNS entry (A, CNAME = host. SRV is more accurately "service" or "service host")
 
shouldn't it be in VLAN 50? for management? How would that affect the wireless clients connected to it though?
 
@KyleBrandt the key is really host+type (and if you make that key unique you're still screwed over because you can have multiple (e.g.) A records...
@hobodave the WAP should be in whatever vlan the clients connecting to it need to wind up in -- so an internal one goes to your internal vlan, a guest one to your guest vlan, a voice one to your voice vlan, etc.
 
Fuck me but tier 1 people are fucking incompetent
 
3:13 PM
@voretaq7 and the IP for managing it?
it should be in the client VLAN?
 
I'm sure it has a name....
You're all fired, I'm going to go read the RFC
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@KyleBrandt RFC says host IIRC - haven't read it since like 1998 though - let me know if my memory is still good :-)
 
@voretaq7 so the switch port for the WAP should be untagged in VLAN 10 (workstations)?
 
@hobodave mmm, it shouldn't be in the guest vlan (unless it has access control lists) :-)
 
Fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu verizon!!!!
 
3:16 PM
guest clan?
stupid autocorrect
vlan10 is for workstations
we don't have guest
oversight on my part
 
@hobodave workstations makes the most sense -- again it's best if you can apply an ACL to the AP's management interface so people can't prod it and do things, but for an internal network that's not a bad thing since you can theoretically trust your users to a limited extent.
@KyleBrandt "name" ?? Really?
Way to be creative Mockapetris!
 
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Q: How do I Search All Forward Lookup Names in Windows 2008 R2 DNS Server for a String or IP?

Kyle BrandtIs there a way to search the entire forward lookup zone in Windows 2008 R2 DNS server? I would like to search both the NAME and the 'RDATA' of all the resource records for a substring.

^^ You're all hired again
 
@KyleBrandt AD-integrated zone? 'cuz then you can just use LDAP searches :-)
 
Oh ya, that'll work
 
3:18 PM
tasty tasty LDAP... it tastes like... shit actually
you're on your own for the LDAP search string -- I suck at those
 
@voretaq7 so the WAP has an IP in the 172.22.10.0/24 network, and not in the 172.22.50.0/24 (vlan50, management) network?
 
I just tried to call Verizon technical support. Get in the AutoAttendant, press the right key combinations.... Call cannot be completed as dialed. For FIOS techsupport. They disconnected the damn number.
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I had to look up something last night in my company's LDAP server -- I wound up just doing objectclass=* and grepping the ldif output :-x
@Holocryptic Tech Support On Strike.
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, fuck them
 
@hobodave it depends on if the WAP can support both VLANs -- if it can you can put the management IP on the admin network/vlan, if not you're stuck with an IP on the network you're connected to (or one that isn't and having to manually configure an IP in order to talk to it when you need to make config changes - security through "Who the hell would set it up that way??")
 
3:21 PM
blech. I feel like having a cigarette. And I quit in February.
 
@voretaq7 "We never stop working for you"
 
lol
 
@Nixphoe "…Except when our corporate overlords won't pay us a living wage and expect us to give up little things like healthcare coverage"
 
yea it doesn't support vlans
 
@hobodave so you're pretty much stuck with giving it an IP in its home. This is part of why I always reserve the first 10 IPs of a /24 for infrastructure :)
 
3:26 PM
let me make sure I have all my bases covered before I make this change
 
@wfaulk Nice. I'm a huge fan. I'm partial to their Air Corps Blue-Black. I think it was a limited run, though, cause they don't seem to be selling it any more.
 
I have vlan10 configured on my router, that router interface has an IP of 172.22.10.1
 
@hobodave What AP? If you're concerned about security and theres no way to segregate the management address you can always see if your AP supports "Disable management from wireless clients." It's not a great solution but at least it slightly hardens it.
 
@voretaq7 You mean the flat parts on the top and bottom of the grip? I guess they've never bothered me. Hopefully I won't start to notice them now that you've called them out. :)
 
@ErikA All of Noodler's inks are "limited run" -- Nathan really needs to hire some damn oompa-loompas
 
3:35 PM
@voretaq7 Ahh, I didn't know that.
 
@ErikA well they're not offiicially limited run
but effectively - Something is always on back-order :)
 
@voretaq7 Yah, seems like a very small operation. Awesome product, though, so I'm willing to put up with some inconvenience.
 
@ErikA The only product of Nathan's I have issue with is Baystate Blue - it's a damn pain in the ass in every fountain pen I've used it in - probably because I don't write enough to keep it from clogging the nib. Works fine in my dip pens though.
 
4:07 PM
What happened to the top bar tools link..? now points to the /review page?
 
I bought a bottle of Midway Blue and it bleeds like a mofo
 
Oh, then there's a tools link in the top left. Kinda awkward
 
Am I losing it in rejecting this edit? ldap attributes seem ldap related to me.. serverfault.com/suggested-edits/2819
 
@ShaneMadden no
well...
I suppose it's really AD-LDAP-schema related
 
4:14 PM
rejecting it works for me
 
huh?
its LDAP, with AD schema
 
@wfaulk Sure, but they're ldap attributes (at least if the guy fixes the capitalization), and he's querying via ldap..
 
yeah, but the question is about the schema specific to AD
LDAP is only incidental
splitting hairs, though
Point being: if he were accessing AD via a different method, he'd have the same question
not that I know that there is a different method
 
@wfaulk Bastardized ldap is still ldap, I say. If he were querying via WinNT:// then I'd be all over kicking the ldap tag out..
 
like I said, splitting hairs
 
4:17 PM
yup
 
I'm just saying that it's not an insane edit
 
sure
 
Cripes - the new tools link page has me all discombobulated.
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Idle thought: I want to give an barium meal to an email and then x-ray my exchange server to observe its path through the system.
 
@wfaulk Wow....
 
4:25 PM
@voretaq7 ?
 
@wfaulk but he's accessing LDAP via AD
@wfaulk that ink feathering. what kind of paper is that?
 
Rhodia
 
@ErikA me too
 
hey @voretaq7
god this is so complicated
I'm plugged directly into my router now, and I can access it at any of its IPs on all interfaces: 172.22.1.1, 172.22.10.1, 172.22.50.1 and 172.22.200.1
however, if I plug the switch into the router, and I plug into the switch, I can no longer access the router or anything else for that matter
my workstation is supposed to be on the 172.22.10.0/24 (vlan10) network
brb let me double check the switch
 
4:38 PM
@Iain correct
 
@Iain agreed. Flagged as such.
 
oooh I got 5k rep
"Vote to approve or reject suggested tag wiki edits"
yay..
 
@pauska Congrats
 
@pauska nice work!
@hobodave I know I'm coming late to this conversation, but are you sure you have trunking/tagging/un-tagged ports configured correctly on the switch and the router interface?
 
Can I ask people in here for some retags? I'm trying to clean out a lot of old unanswered questions
 
4:43 PM
@Aaron meta is better suited for large retag requests
(or even better, merges)
 
well, this is just as I happen to come across some
I would do it myself... but I don't have the rep
 
@Aaron which ones they may already have been discussed
 
@Aaron anyone can edit
 
@ErikA :) I double checked, I forgot to tag the stupid router port in vlan10
 
4:44 PM
@Aaron if you have low rep, your edit will just need to be approved.
 
I thnk Im really close
 
oh
 
@hobodave that would pose a problem :)
 
@Aaron you should be able to edit that and add the relevant tags
 
I did not know that retagging was editing
 
4:45 PM
let me test wireless
 
@Aaron, I suspect if pointed out things to be fixed flagged or edited in this room, people wouldn't yell too much... chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/161/server-fault-vote-to-close
 
@Aaron give it a whirl - there is an edit tags link to the right of the tags if thats all you want to do too
 
Oops! Your edit couldn't be submitted because:

* Nothing appears to have changed
hmmmmm
 
hm I should probably configure dhcp :)
 
ok, should I take this question to there?
 
4:46 PM
@hobodave you running pfsense on this?
 
@ErikA yes
 
ahh zoredache did it for me
 
@hobodave yah, you'll need one dhcpd config for each vlan then.
 
if I can ask another meta-question, what is the difference between flagging and mentioning it in the vote to close room ?
 
gah iChat is so annoying, it must cache stupidity
everything is working but that
 
4:49 PM
flagging goes to the moderators, and is the official way to do it. The vote to close room is the un-official room where those of us without moderator access pile on and vote to close poor questions quickly.
 
@Aaron flagging actually gets it in front of all the moderators eyeballs.
 
and another meta-question (sorry, I'm sure these are covered in the FAQ) - questions that are 'unanswered' (no answers), but the questioner answered it himself in a comment shortly after posting... so it hangs around as unanswered forever
 
@Aaron, if the user described the solution you could always add an answer with the details. You could add a comment asking the person who posted the question to self-answer.
 
I guess is it considering 'cheating' if I just C&P the comment into an 'answer'?
 
it definitely tripped me up that the router didn't add a default rule for any of the virtual interfaces I added
so it was configured to deny all
 
4:54 PM
@Aaron, if you feel bad about it, you could mark your answer as community wiki. Since you didn't actually come up with the answer, this may be a somewhat fair way to post an answer, and also not make people think you are trying to get cheap rep.
 
ok
 
@Aaron c&p into an answer is fine, I'm sure I saw Jeff saying so somewhere recently
 
But please only do that, when the comment is actually an answer with enough details to potentially help another person in the future. A simple 'I figured it out' is not a good answer.
 
@hobodave sounds like your switch is forgetting about vlans?
 
Naturally
 
4:56 PM
@voretaq7 nah I just forgot to tag something :)
@voretaq7 I think I actually have it "working"
 
@hobodave yeah that would do it too -- also the missing routes which I assume you fixed :-)
@Iain as long as there's attribution :)
 
I don't have any rules restricting traffic across vlans
I'm afraid to actually add those
 
@hobodave well that's the important part :-)
 
@voretaq7 i don't recall reading that
 
and I'm afraid to touch the "default" vlan
last time I did that everything broke
 
4:58 PM
@Iain I don;t know if it's explicitly spelled out, but it's common sense: If you don't provide attribution it's basically plagiarism
@hobodave on the switch, or on the FW?
 
@voretaq7 both, I disabled the vlan1 interface on the router and I had to reformat
 
I can't find the post on mSO now
 
@hobodave heh, OK definitely do that last
 
Sam
Serverfault or Superuser? Pretty simple question, but claims it is on a Server 2003 machine that he is the admin for
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Q: How to remove a Windows folder with error "Access is Denied"

PiersI'm running Windows 2003. I am an admin on this particular machine. I tried to delete a folder, but something went slightly wrong. When I navigate to its parent I can see it in there. When I double click the folder, I get the error message: D:\Path\to\folder is not accessible. Access is denied....

 
(ignoring the careers 2 stuff) Joel makes some great points here blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/reputation-not-rep
 
5:01 PM
Speaking of that question, I don't even know why I got drive-by downvoted
 
disable it on the switch first by removing it from the ports you and the router/fw are connected to and make sure stuff continues to work.
 
@Iain @Aaron "However, note that I completely support stealing answers-as-comments and posting them as your own answer in these cases" meta.serverfault.com/questions/1886/…
 
@KyleBrandt does anyone cast an eye over the 'newsletter' before it goes out ?
@ShaneMadden cheers - thats what I was looking for - on the wrong site
 
@Iain: I don't know
 
@Iain There was some discussion about that when the Choppertars question was in it. Verdict was "no".
 
5:06 PM
@ShaneMadden That was a perfectly legit question, with perfectly legit answers, and it speaks to the community's spirit and undying love for Mister Paddington Bear.
 
@voretaq7 This is true.
 
@ShaneMadden I think I raised it here but I didn't remember if someone who might know actually answered to I thought I'd ping kyle about it.
This weeks doesn't show us in our best light either :(
 
@Iain Heh, dare I ask?
 
@voretaq7 So you didn't pull a Judy Garland, hmm? All those sedatives...
 
5:10 PM
does this look correct @voretaq7? dropbox.com/gallery/21984586/1/Switch?h=9023e4
 
@Iain nope
 
Iain, I saw that question and I was about to set his company on fire
 
@Zypher I guessed not
 
@Iain Eww. Yeah, eyes on it would be good. Controversial questions with a lot of answers have an easier time making it to the "hot questions" list - but there's plenty of good questions and answers that don't light up the list.
@Aaron Someone figured out what company it was. Some audio gear thing.
 
@Aaron he has a perfectly valid reason fo doing what he wants to do but unfortunately far too many people leapt on him because they didn't check why
 
5:12 PM
I saw that
it explains their complete lack of understanding of networking
 
@Aaron up arrow to edit your last message if you need to
 
fascinating!
 
@WesleyDavid yeah and I was still up until 3:30
@hobodave seems reasonable
 
@voretaq7 Yikes. Three hours of sleep, however, does offer some interested challenges to personal growth in your workday.
 
Ugh. WebMux high availability cluster requires downtime to upgrade firmware
this is such a horrible product
 
5:23 PM
How do I flag stuff for another SE site besides the ones that pop up (SO, SU, webmaster) ?
 
Dammit, why don't browsers have more adverbs in their dictionaries.
 
@Aaron generic mod-flag (other: Belongs on [other site here]) is what I've been doing
We should whine to have dba added to the list
 
@Voretaq7 ok, makes sense - yes, dba was one that kept popping up a lot
 
We should whine that five sites to choose from on the vote-to-close page isn't enough, in spite of the Meta discussions on it.
 
have you guys used pfSense 2.0 ?
 
5:29 PM
@Aaron for SO, SU, Webmasters and mSF migrations just drop them in the vote to close room - they'll get dealt with and it helps reduce the load on the mods for all others flag and choose other then explain where and why
@WesleyDavid it just won't happen
having a close route to dba or linux & unix would though be more use than the one to mSF
oooh 20K over SE
 
I just stuck it to Jeff Atwood. =P
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A: How to handle unanswered questions that have the answer in a comment or edited into the question?

WesleyDavidSteal comments that answer the question and post them as an answer. If it happens enough either the misguided commentators will be annoyed enough at the "lost" rep to give outright answers, or no one will notice / care and you'll help the community and... oh yeah, get some rep. BTW, I stole this...

And congrats on another 10K, @Iain.
 
3.9k is spread over various other SE sites :(
 
@WesleyDavid +1'd
also, LUNCH
 
I think I asked a question but I'm not really sure I understood the answer - I'm going through a lot of old old questions with no answers and flagging the really bad ones (with an appropriate reason, of course) - should I be putting in the vote to close room instead?
 
@Iain Mhmm, me too. I've got a few K between SuperUser, Unix and I think a tad bit over at Security.
 
5:35 PM
@WesleyDavid I should have joined your 10k challenge
 
@Iain Next year?
 
trying to convince a designer that we should a dev site, and that changes shouldn't be made directly on the product server is painful... :(
 
I'll probably make it a yearly thing. There was a larger goal to make a site dedicated to creating and tracking stack exchange challenges, but the guy who was going to do it got swamped and I haven' theard from him.
In fact, I'mma go email him now.
 
@Aaron it's up to you but non mods with >3k rep can vote to close for a variety of reasons. Plain off topic and no suitable migration, migration to the sites I listed above, not constructive, not a real question and too localized
@WesleyDavid perhaps
 
@Aaron That reminds me, what happens when a person asks a question, but there is no suitable answer? How do you deal with the low answer percentage that will be by your name? (That's a question for the room in general)
 
5:41 PM
@WesleyDavid, they could always put in a mod flag, and request that it be changed to community wiki. That way it won't count against their answer percentage.
If the answer true cannot be answered, it may need to just be closed though.
If it can be answered, and just doesn't have an answer, leave it open until you get one.
I still haven't gotten a good answer to a couple of my questions...
 
I quite frequently flag as 'if this is going to stay it should be Community Wiki"
 
@Zoredache Excellent, thanks! Fortunately I've only asked two questions and they both received acceptable answers.
 
@WesleyDavid Not sure if questions count against your accept rate if there are 0 answers on them?
 
Ah, well this question of mine still doesn't have an answer... serverfault.com/questions/52370/…
 
it has answers but no solution
 
5:46 PM
Once a week I usually go over all the questions I've participated in and drop a comment to the OP to accept an answer if there's an acceptable one. Helps to spur people.
 
@WesleyDavid That sounds like a lot of effort.
 
@ShaneMadden You rationalize a lot when you're an addict.
 
@WesleyDavid Fair enough
 
Sometimes... Sometimes I even go over to SuperUser. sob It's like my StackExchange cotton shot.
 
what is a cotton shot?
Is that some new fancy drug?
 
5:50 PM
@Zoredache smart mass answer Deploy the app with App-V (Application Virtualization, part of MDOP for MS Vol License users) and be done with it. =]
 
@Zoredache A cotton shot is what a heroin addict does when he's strung out. Takes his saved cotton wads, soaks them, and shoots the liquid that he gets off of it. Then you have to worry about getting cotton fever.
 
Yeah; I'm with Zoredache, no idea what that was, a bit disturbed that you know...
 
@ChrisS, we have been looking at that. The original question was because I had two policies that were conflicting. I removed the conflict, the problem is fixed. Still, I was hoping someone would have a nice flow-chart somewhere that described exactly when various aspects of a policy are applied.
 
don't you just hate it when an OP deletes their question while you are answering it :(
 
@ChrisS Yes, I grew up in a messed up neighborhood with messed up people. My knowledge of the drug subculture surprises many people.
 
5:54 PM
@Iain, yes, that is why I answer really quickly, and then edit my answer to be good. They can't delete a question with an answer... >:)
 
@Iain Ohhh, that must suck. I've never had it happen. I hate it when I'm about two seconds away from posting a masterful answer, and then see that little blue bar that says someone has posted before me... and it turns out to be the exact same answer.
 
@Zoredache Plus that allows you to get your answer in up to 5 minutes faster; so you'll have the earlies time.
 
I was 2 letters away from posting my 1st draft
 
@Zoredache lol - plus it pops the dreaded blue bar for anyone else foolhardy enough to be answering at the same time
 
@WesleyDavid that's fine just post yours
 
5:56 PM
@Zoredache I thought I was the only narcissist that did that. =P
@ShaneMadden "The dreaded blue bar" "Foolhardy" - I lol'd.
 
How much of a performance hit is this guy seeing with selinux, I wonder.
 
for those that can see it was this . I should have posted a single word answer Patience but was explaining about cron.weekly
 
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Q: The imporance of having SELinux enabled on a web server

DanThis question is probably a matter of personal opinion but I wanted to gather your thoughts on how important having SELinux enabled on a web server is. In your opinion, is the added security a must or just nice to have? Is the performance hit worth it? Is it worth the trouble? Do you recommend a...

 
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@Iain Ahh yeah, that was my thinking too. That or say "you're doing it wrong and so is that section of the wiki article, use cron-apt or apticron".
 
5:59 PM
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