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7:00 PM
@voretaq7 I take issue with your rule "If you do not understand it, do not touch it." That's the most fun right there!! My thought process usually goes "I do not understand this! MUST TOUCH!!!" However, the caveat is "...oh wait, it's in production. Drat." =)
 
@WesleyDavid Rule number 100 is "Know when it's OK to ignore all previous rules"
 
Rule #3 of SysAdmin Club. All rules have special cases.
 
@WesleyDavid switch/case/break/default
"Only the enlightened may use fall-through case evaluation."
- Me, TAing a programming class in college.
 
@ChrisS: I wonder how the new TRIM support will work out with ZFS on top
 
I don't think ZFS support TRIM yet. I think I saw that as a feature of the next milestone of ZFS. They tend to release ZFS versions in bunches instead of individually.
 
7:07 PM
@ChrisS pretty sure TRIM is UFS-only in 9.0
 
Question for @Chopper3 if he's willing to answer it (or if anyone else has the answer handy.) Were there conversion differences between VMWare 4.x and 3.x that would prevent a VM from a 4.x machine running on a 3.x VMWare (ESXi) machine?
 
Just saw one of the newest cancer treatment theories involves taking a modified version of HIV and infecting the patient. HIV normally kills T-Cells (simplistically your immune system). The modified HIV would instead cause the T-Cells to act like their on steroids. Killing your immune system is relatively easy compared with selectively killing cancer cells....
 
I suspect I know the answer but thought I'd give a quick double-check.
 
@voretaq7 Right; TRIM is a FS function; I think UFS in -CURRENT has it (not sure if it's stable though)
 
7:09 PM
@voretaq7 When's that from?
 
@ChrisS today's XKCD
 
We're pretty hell-bent on creating human mutants.
 
@BartSilverstrim It's just a little mutated! It's still good!
 
@voretaq7 I was just talking with someone who works for a research company... wonder if they brought it up on account of that.
 
by the time they can talk about it the dude you're talking to is already a transgenic human/cat hybrid.
 
7:12 PM
@BartSilverstrim Yes, virtual machine version got raised from 4 to 7
 
@BartSilverstrim mrow?
 
(basically new virtual hardware)
 
@BartSilverstrim Have you seen how long we live now compared to 100 years ago? I think we're there...
 
@Pauska: Thanks. I figured that would cause a headache.
I'll shove it first on our 4.x VMWare ESXi system then.
@voretaq7: I guess it's better than a Mog. Part man, part dog.
 
if it was created (or upgraded) with vm ver 7 then you have to run it on 4.x
(or 5.x for that matter)
 
7:13 PM
I'm my own best friend...
 
Pawel has no sense of humour.
Also. YEARLING! :D
 
@TomOConnor Dancing Mice
 
I need a keyboard that shocks me every time I open something in vim without root privileges that needs it in order for me to edit the file.
 
@KyleBrandt no, vi just needs some custom hooks to let you change the EUID of the running process to root
 
@KyleBrandt It does say (read-only) at the bottom when you first open it.
 
7:17 PM
@BartSilverstrim A new VM built on 4.x can be made with 4 hardware
 
@ChrisS: Ya, when I start to insert it says that -- I just need that to shock me
@voretaq7: Oh ya, no way that would end up causing some security holes ;-)
 
@voretaq7 There's a way to do this..
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Q: Getting root permissions on a file inside of vi?

Paul WicksOften while editing config files, I'll open one with vi and then when I go to save it realize that I didn't type sudo vi filename Is there any way to give vi sudo privileges to save the file? I seem to recall seeing something about this while looking up some stuff about vi a while ago, bu...

 
@KyleBrandt Seems a bit kinky in a "guy painting 'free candy' on the sides of a windowless van" sort of way.
 
@TomOConnor hmm. I'm ashamed I did not think of this.
 
@voretaq7 Searching the stack?
 
7:22 PM
@TomOConnor no, the fix. But what such a useful nugget of admin goodness is doing on StackOverflow (festering pit where none should have root access!) is beyond me...
 
@Shane: Thanks :-) Time to fly off again...more to do...
 
hmm... somehow I earned the Excavator badge.
 
have you re-tagged something old recently?
 
I did too.
I'm also the only person to have the Pundit badge on mSF
 
@Zoredache yeah
i didn't think it was that old though - it was during the Great Tag Purge
 
7:46 PM
@KyleBrandt just stay in "sudo -i"
 
@voretaq7 Another love note was made just for you: serverfault.com/questions/301339/invalid-hostname-dns-change
 
@WesleyDavid Commented.
:)
 
@WesleyDavid, is that guy claiming to be the operator for gtld-servers.net?
 
I just saw that and head-desked.
I upvoted his comment. =P
Well, apparently the g-level DNS servers are hosed. Can I stop working now and go play some golf?
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@Zoredache . . . yeah. I'm done.
 
7:55 PM
I'm laughing so hard right now. Great way to start a monday!
 
@WesleyDavid There's no way I can reply to that without being mean
like "OMG GET OFF THE INTERNET mean.
 
@WesleyDavid /shakes magic 8 ball. "Outlook not so good"
 
@voretaq7, I have replied, I don't think I was too mean.
 
@Zoredache oh I know there was a not mean reply. I just know my reply would have been "OMG GET OFF MY INTERNET" :-)
 
I started to answer that, and then just stopped. Not enough soul in me today to allow it to be leached by a DNS question.
 
7:59 PM
@WesleyDavid gigglesnort
 
@WesleyDavid a BAD DNS question
 
@voretaq7 Ask him if he took the blue pill
 
Do we have a placeholder question to send people to for webserver sizing questions? A dupe target? Something? I see so many questions about "I want my server to go from 10 queries a day to 4 million a second. What to buy?" that I thought we needed a definitive sizing/scaling post.
 
@Holocryptic White pill. Claimed to be Tylenol.
 
@voretaq7 He got had.
 
8:01 PM
@WesleyDavid the definitive sizing/scaling post is "Nobody can answer that without intimate knowledge of your site design and back-end infrastructure. Please unzip your site and let us ogle it, or do your own damn capacity planning. Wanker."
 
Anyone know of a software/protocol/method for keeping reverse DNS entries up to date for internal routing devices?
 
So apparently Mr. h.gtld-servers.net is from a country I didn't even know existed. Rajasthan?
Do they even have internets in Rajasthan?
Oh, sorry, it's a portion of India.
bites tongue
 
hahaha
 
"Rajasthan is the largest state of the Republic of India by area."
 
@SpacemanSpiff, setup your router to do dynamic dns?
 
8:06 PM
hrmm.. internally? its an idea...
 
@SpacemanSpiff, or maybe create a script that pulls in snmp data and makes DDNS requests on their behalf?
 
surely someone has wrangled this before
 
@WesleyDavid and the least technically competent?
 
I'm warning you people. Stop tempting me with this topic.
 
Posted an answer for him. Resisted the urge to say "STEP THE FUCK BACK FROM MY DNS SYSTEM BEFORE YOU DESTROY THE UNIVERSE YOU FECKLESS TWIT".
now need to go punch holes in brick walls.
 
8:08 PM
Shouldn't be to hard to built a list of device IPS, each gets passed to snmpwalk or something to get a list of the interfaces and the associated IPs. Once you get that, just update requests via nsupdate...
 
hrmm... i'll have a stab at that.... :)
 
@SpacemanSpiff DHCP+DDNS doesn't work?
 
@voretaq7, DHCP on the router?
I use DHCP on some of my servers, but DHCP on the routers seems a bit over the top.
 
well, let me explain where i'm coming from, re-IPing a core switch right? changing about 130 vlans IP schemes
it would be nice... if when I created the vlan subinterfaces if some script or other such interface would just populate the reverse records into DNS
snmp sounds like a good way to go
 
@Zoredache reverse DNS for routers should never change :)
you're talking about keeping up with vlan changes @SpacemanSpiff?
an SNMP script that polls them is probably the best way then
 
8:13 PM
well ip changes in general
i bet some IPAM solutions have this stuff built-in
 
@voretaq7 Remarkable restraint, old boy. Good show.
 
@WesleyDavid restraints, yes. and throwing knives.
twitch
 
I see the question now... jeebus...
 
blech. XP install from scratch.
 
I had to do one of those last week, I forgot how long that can take.
 
8:26 PM
eons, if you go by the XP estimated time to finish installation.
 
there is a roll-up update you can get to save some time... i had a link
 
ooo, I'd be much obliged if you had that
 
there should be a flag for abuse of the !
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dunno if that assumes you have SP3
ahh bummer thats not what I thought it was...
might save sometime on a new 2008 box, but thats it
 
Thanks. Maybe I'll hunt around. On the flip hand, it's all billable time :)
 
8:30 PM
found these to be useful
 
@SpacemanSpiff Interesting. He just catalogs the updates there?
 
looks like he gave up on it, but I used to use the mint ISO from microsoft and then inject the rest
saved a lot of time in our image
well, when we were authoring them
too bad he stopped updating them, he also used to have prepackaged silent adobe reader installs, with all the annoying update dialogs silenced.
 
Maybe I'll try to create a generic updated image loaded with a bunch of drivers for different hardware. May save a lot of time with this kind of stuff.
 
neato, buddy of mine just rode an old motorbike with a wankel engine
 
@SpacemanSpiff I've never used it myself, but one of our partners swears by infoblox. Think it does DNS management alongside the IPAM stuff. But, $$$.
 
8:35 PM
You can actually do a XP install; sysprep it; capture an image with imagex; then edit a Win7 installer disk to include the XP option. =}
 
ya know i downloaded a VM for infoblox and never put it in
 
@ChrisS blink
linky?
Or is this just something you know?
 
Am I having major reading comprehension fail on this guy's comment, or it it just out of left field?
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Q: Apache + mod_python - can't configure server

ArtI have got Ubuntu 10.04 (XEN) VPS. I want to set up Django server. I use apt-get to install django packages, apache, apache-mpm-prefork. Before using this configuration I saw "It works!" title, when I use ip/domain to get access to the server. After using configuration I saw: Internal Server Er...

 
Perhaps a basic reading comprehension test instead of a Captcha when signing up for the site? :)
 
8:42 PM
Why? Why do people insist on naming computers in AD after the people they're checked out to? Teh stupid, it burnz.
 
@Holocryptic What's great fun is when they reassign the system without a rename.
 
@Holocryptic you're the second person today to mention that to me
 
@ShaneMadden Yeah... I'm gonna try and put the brakes on this right quick.
There's no reason, even in a small environment
 
@Holocryptic 'cause the users, bless their hearts, just loooooove to have "Dave B's Computer" or just "D Bozeman" as their computer name.
 
@Bart - did you get an answer about that vmware question? v4 introduced VM model 7, which won't work on v3/3.5
 
8:45 PM
Plus, if you forget your name, you can just run hostname.
 
lol
@Ward Oh, so if I put "Pedobear's Love Monkey", they'll see that? Crap.
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8:59 PM
Balls. XP driver hunt...
 
@voretaq7 answer length limit is 30k (or close to it) and Evan hit it once
 
@ChrisS Yes, it wasn't even "weeks"; I think it was a few days.
 
@Iain that's Practically Unlimited :)
 
okay... Did I miss something? Why is dell support requiring me to log in to download drivers?
 
@Holocryptic ohhh they do that every now and again
they have a team that thinks of ways to fuck over paying customers
 
9:05 PM
for srs?
 
@Holocryptic Because they hate you and everything you hold dear.
 
@womble I was wondering what the burning feeling between my shoulder blades was...
Ah figured it out. Dell hates Google Chrome.
Nope. Nevermind. @womble had it right the first time.
 
... Test failed.
 
@Zoredache ah, so it's not just my fevered imagination then. That's good.
 
the chat refuses to allow me to post an insanely long URL.
 
9:15 PM
thanks for checking
oh
you were checking for URL shortening?
 
this might be a dumb question, but im trying out CentOS for the first time in my life (always used freebsd/debian/ubuntu)
is there no kind of "server" install without all the X junk?
I dont want Libreoffice and Gimp and Firefox on my servers
 
Well @ChrisS, just posted that meta topic about banning url shorteners. I wanted to see if really long URLs could be posted.
 
Mere closing isn't enough for this dog of a question...
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Q: Invalid Hostname - DNS change

Basic BridgeI ping my site on pingdom.com over here (http://tools.pingdom.com/ping/) and got result invalid host name. then i check my DNS HEALTH and got result as follow Delegation Everything is fine name server The name server failed to answer queries sent over TCP. This is probably due to th...

 
no, wait, nevermind... I installed from the live cd, duh
 
9:29 PM
@voretaq7 Another love note: serverfault.com/questions/301379/…
This one was mediated by your Sweet Nothings over at Security.SE
Showing @voretaq7 bad DNS questions is like ringing Ivan Pavlov's telephone. Except there's less drool and more entrails.
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9:47 PM
"The sarcasm is unwarranted" -- what sarcasm? Are we all getting just a teensy bit too sensitive?
 
@womble That's one hundred-rep user to another, too. I read that three times looking for sarcasm, no idea. Maybe the "assuming you can reach a human by phone" part?
 
@WesleyDavid Whargarbl?
@Zoredache what is "insanely long"?
 
@voretaq7 [insert joke about Steve Jobs here]
 
@WesleyDavid You're holding the URL wrong?
Q: URLs don't work when I cut and paste them.
A: The clipboard was holding them wrong.
 
@ShaneMadden Given the nature of most ISPs, I thought that was just a standard caveat.
 
9:55 PM
Q: URLs don't work when I cut and paste them.
A: Try a different pair of scissors.
 
@womble Yeah, I think he misunderstood - not a native english speaker, maybe? I guess that could be misread as "assuming you know how to use a telephone"..?
 
@womble sarcasm? Linky?
 
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A: DNS not resolving some websites properly

SomantraYou may want to look at changing the name server for your network (e.g. at the router). I see this issue regularly with the DNS servers of a certain ISP with a name that rhymes with Vindspream. ;-)

 
meh
seems non-snarky
and overly polite to a shit ISP
and on that note: ROAR! (i flee)
 
see that question for a url that is insanely long.
 
10:12 PM
Long URLs are important. I've had some monitoring script spitting out emails with embedded google charts API images, and the things wouldn't work in Outlook because its URL char limit in embedded HTML is 512.
"large bet on apparmor/selinux in round 1!" serverfault.com/questions/301394/…
 
@ShaneMadden I'm not betting against you.
 
10:34 PM
Gotta wonder about a company where all their hold music is jingles from their advertisements.
 
ewwww
Oh, balls. They just fired someone at my office. Which means the slack needs to be picked up. sigh
 
@Holocryptic You like working 80 hour weeks, right?
 
It could be worse. You could be the one on the receiving end.
 
@ShaneMadden Ecstatic
@womble true
Right. Packing up to go home and keep working. Tally ho.
 
11:00 PM
Does apparmor/selinux not log to dmesg any more? I could have sworn that was where you found their droppings.
 
11:14 PM
@ShaneMadden That's a relative term. Being employeed, gives one sense of purpose, but I think working 80 hours a week is kind of taking advantage of your employees. geez o_O
 

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