The Comms Room

Chopper3

12:01 PM

@SmallClanger Cabana bars were the zenith of mankind's endevours - sadly missed - once made a giant one in a cake tin

Robert Moir

gone off burgers. Subway or quiznos for me thanks

Iain

@Chopper3 the just opened a greggs down the road to compete with the sayers

Cakemox

I miss Subway. A lot. No hope for one around here.

Robert Moir

to be fair its not hard to make your own sub either

Chopper3

wow - when I work from home I'll often ask my wife to pop into a local bakers if she's going out - they do a CTM pie!

Robert Moir

12:03 PM

ctm?

Chopper3

sorry, chicken tikka masalla

Iain

Sayers do that in a pastie

Robert Moir

In a pie? I can't decide if thats great or awful

Chopper3

it's amazing, better cold too which is odd

SmallClanger

Just before I head for lunch myself, I'm going to leave people with this, in case you're not hungry enough: guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/apr/07/…

Chopper3

12:04 PM

sayers is northern only isn't it?

Robert Moir

mmm corned beef, red onion and salad cream sandwich

the lunch of champions

Iain

would work for me

Chopper3

I buy a lot of stuff on behalf of my customers so get taken out by vendors way too much - they know I love Goucho's steaks but sometimes it can be too much, I was in the unfortunate situation of turning down a lovely meal there the other day just because I've got sick/bored of them - how bloody decadent is that!

Iain

very

Robert Moir

for sure

Chopper3

12:08 PM

I was shaking my head as I was saying the words

Robert Moir

so the trip to mcdonalds was by way of penance?

Iain

it may have turned out that way

Chopper3

working late

pauska

12:28 PM

@Chopper3: So it's finally decided.. going to use VRF+OSPF across the network internally.. I'm scared :(

Robert Moir

if you're scared now just wait until you go into the comms room one day after its all setup and find a sock on top of one of the cabs with googly eyes and a mouth drawn on it

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pauska

touchè

Robert Moir

;-)

pauska

brb, rearranging one of my mod votes.......

Robert Moir

scary projects are the best kind though, in all seriousness... that way you know you're doing something brave and learning from it. I was terrified when we moved to our new campus and I got tasked to move the server rooms

heh

pauska

12:36 PM

thats basically a demo of the logical layout

there are 78 remote offices :|

Chopper3

@pauska nice

pauska

@Chopper3: RLY? Be honest and critical!

Have I overcomplicated this? :P

Robert Moir

that will keep you busy for a while then

pauska

nearly 2 months.. primary access is being installed 18. feb, last office is connected at 31st march.

plus of course configuration/design internally up to the 18th

packs

@RobertMoir Would you care to save me the trouble of googling and giving me an American translation of salad cream?

I am waiting to find that out before I decide if a sayers is awesome or not.

Robert Moir

12:42 PM

i honestly don't know

never seen it in the states

its a very very thick salad dressing I guess.

Try and imagine mayo with vinegar and mustard added and then thickened up. That sounds awful, so its a bad description of what salad cream tastes like but its the best way I can explain what it looks like

packs

Yeah, it looks like it was an attempt to replicate mayonnaise when rationing was in effect.

Hey, vinegar and mustard might make mayonnaise palatable :)

Robert Moir

heh

packs

My hijacking is over. Back to your infrastructure design.

Robert Moir

its funny really how many differences there are between countries that have a common language and all

Chopper3

1:12 PM

@pauska -sorry, was on a confcall, I could spend days going through this with you but to be honest I trust you, you're a smart guy who knows your environment - go ahead

@RobertMoir I've lived over there for about 3-4 years out of 41 so have obviously picked up loads of their words, terms, likes/dislikes - the lot - which unfortunately means that sometimes I sound like a pretentious dick over here when they fall into conversation - such as how my natural instinct is to ask for the 'check' instead of the 'bill' - odd eh

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Q: How to join a domain over VPN?

I connect to company VPN and I can join the default domain without problems. In office infrastructure we have a seperate domain which is setup as a test environment. I can RDC into servers on this test domain, and I can ping the DC of this test domain. What I would like to do is get my loca...

SO want to respond with "do it in-router" but I don't think he'd appreciate it :)

Chris S

1:36 PM

Mmm, that corned beef reminds me of a Reuben, might have to find one for lunch today.

packs

@Chopper3 So what I'm hearing is that with judicious use of both British and American colloquialisms you can sound like a pretentious dick on two continents?

@ChrisS I find that whenever I go to a restaurant with a reuben that I must order it. The best I've had so far was at some greasy spoon in upstate New York.

Chris S

@packs I prefer mine not to be slathered in grease/butter/etc; the dressing is usually enough to keep it from being dry.

Chopper3

@packs Correct!

:)

packs

I must say, @Chopper3, that is pretty dang impressive. The best I've managed is pretentious here, and a douche on your end.

Robert Moir

I've always liked America whenever I've visited, I have to say, lots of family and friends over there so I understand most of the differences in language, made more of an effort after spending 30 mins talking about something only to find afterwards the conversation was about two entirely different things depending on who you asked...

Chris S

1:39 PM

There's a deli down the street that makes a pretty good one, might be where I'll head for lunch. They make it panini style.

Chopper3

haha

packs

@ChrisS I agree. I've found that the real trick is to properly balance the dressing and krout. I'm coming to believe that to be an NP-HARD problem

Robert Moir

mmm a reuben would have been nice for lunch

Chris S

@packs Bah, lots of both. I'm of German and Polish heritage so kapusta is a normal part of my diet.

packs

@ChrisS Ah, right. Yank. I forgot :)

Chris S

1:45 PM

@packs I'm still amused at time when chatting with people who are literally a 1/4 of the world away, and we take it for granted that it's quick and easy, then we're occasionally surprised when someone turns out to be nearly in our backyard.

Robert Moir

uh huh

Chopper3

:) new toys :)

Zypher

ooo whatcha get now ?

Chris S

I'm sure they're nicer than my new toys.

Chopper3

some new version of intel's E7 4870 chip, the last lot burnt out - these are a new, supposedly cooler, stepping

Robert Moir

1:52 PM

i just got an emergency maintenance notice from our ISP... wheee

packs

@ChrisS Yeah, that's how I felt when I found out Warner was only slightly more than an hour away from me.

Chris S

How come we don't have any SAs in chat from down south??

Zypher

@Chopper3 nifty

speaking of new toys goes to dell's site to track mine

packs

I know there's one from Florida, but it's not my place to out them.

Chopper3

we had some of the 12 core ones but they struggled to stay up for longer than most boot sequences

packs

1:57 PM

@ChrisS Oo! There's one from NC, but again, the same. And another from Florida.

Wow, there's bunches. They just keep themselves hidden. Possibly biding their time for your next invasion.

Chris S

Pft, if they're planning an invasion I'll go all Master Chief on them!

packs

@ChrisS I was actually referring to a second War of Northern Aggression. Which, according to my family in Alabama, is still the most correct term.

Mister IT Guru

Good afternoon fellow stack exchangers

Zypher

g'morning Mister IT Guru

Robert Moir

good afternoon

Mister IT Guru

2:02 PM

I think I'll change my greets to Good <insert time zone appropriate greeting here>, how are you guys :)

Bart Silverstrim

War of Northern Aggression? As in the Civil War?

Mister IT Guru

I'm trying to build redundancy into windows 2003 servers ... almost sounds like a oxymoron type of thing

packs

@MisterITGuru Good ${TIME_OF_DAY}

@BartSilverstrim Affirmative.

Mister IT Guru

@packs Ah ..... much better!

Bart Silverstrim

@packs: That's still a popular notion in the south? I thought that died out at least 50 years ago.

packs

2:04 PM

@BartSilverstrim If only....

Bart Silverstrim

Last I knew the actual participants in that war were...y'know...no longer among the living.

I thought that sort of attitude was a parody of southerners.

Mister IT Guru

@BartSilverstrim That makes two of us! +1

packs

@BartSilverstrim You know what they say, they can't parody you if you parody yourself.

Bart Silverstrim

Since...again...they kinda' weren't there and last I knew there was no southern vs. northern issues with our economies being so interlinked.

Chris S

The south doesn't have much we would want to invade for, except nice weather.. and if we wanted that all that bad Mexico would be an easier target anyway.

Bart Silverstrim

2:06 PM

Wow. Just...wow. Southerners are weird. It's like they're all pissed off at people who didn't even know they exist today.

Mister IT Guru

Well, it's nice to meet you guys - I'm from London, UK! And we're doing better in our economic downturn that you lot! nah nah, naaah naaah naahh! So far, we are only earning 12% less that we should be given inflation etc :)

by the way, that last post was sarcasm - we're all screwed :)

packs

@MisterITGuru Hah! Officially our inflation was 0% last year. Suck it!

Mister IT Guru

@packs NOOO!!!!! hehe!

0%??, oh, and I like the way you put in the word... officially!

Zypher

well you know about statistics

100% of them are made up

Mister IT Guru

Is anyone else in here from the UK?

Zypher - WRONG! 98% of them are made up

The other 2% are just wrong

packs

2:09 PM

Statistics -- The only science where two experts can use the same data, apply the same methods, and come to completely contrary conclusions.

Zypher

@MisterITGuru @Chopper3 is from you're side o the pond

Mister IT Guru

@packs ha! That's a good quote! I will steal that, repackage it, and pretend I came up with it myself - Just like every good politician!

Chris S

@MisterITGuru You just missed them all, must be lunch time over there.

Kyle Brandt

Man

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A: Sql Server 2008 - Cannot connect to local default instance

"Try your hostname followed by the instancename, for instance PC\SQLEXPRESS" This worked for me too...!!!

packs

@KyleBrandt "Worked for me!" Those are my favorites.

Zypher

2:11 PM

haha

Mister IT Guru

Just found out that hitting delete without this text box having the focus is most definatly a wtf just happened moment! hehe!

Zypher

@MisterITGuru redundancy isn't that hard to get in 2kx servers

Mister IT Guru

@ChrisS Lunch time? Lunch time is for whimps! hehe!

Chris S

@MisterITGuru Tea time then?

Chopper3

in a strange way I quite liked the "Haz got mi sum ps3 gamez ???" one from yesterday - refreshingly moronic instead of the usual dull idiocy

Mister IT Guru

2:13 PM

@Zypher I'm listening ......

@Ch

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oops

Zypher

ha, well what services are you trying to make redundant?

and ... what's your budget :)

Mister IT Guru

GC :)

Cakemox

Dear developers: how is the answer to a poorly written command-line utility a friggin' web interface?

Mister IT Guru

Basically, when I kill my main domain controller, I don't want anyone to know

Zypher

well ... you're problem is going to be your FSMO roles, not GC - you can add more GC servers in sites and services it's a checkbox

Mister IT Guru

2:14 PM

@Cakemox - the answer to a poorly written command-line utility is a better system admin! - hehe!

Chopper3

I'm sure you DO want to know, you just don't want service impacted

Mister IT Guru

Just kidding @Cak

Sam

@MisterITGuru i'm in the UK

Mister IT Guru

Oh, by anyone, I mean end users, I am the overlord of all my networks, nothing happens without my say so! :)

Cakemox

Oh, we see your bike handlebars are misaligned. Here's a tank.

Chris S

2:15 PM

@KyleBrandt, we need a filter for short posts containing the word "me" or "you" and rep<20

Zypher

stuff like you PDC Master is where timesync starts

Mister IT Guru

@Zypher I did that! And I selected another DC to host the GC too, and yet, when I take down the main DC, everything seizes up - oh wells - I better make sure that the roles have all actually transfered as expected.

Hello @Sam, how are you!? Good to know that I'm not alone!

damn auto complete is not the same as IRC! Must remember that!

Hello @Sam

DAMN

Chris S

@MisterITGuru There's an edit button for that...

Mister IT Guru

hehe - I'm using my IRC shortcuts, and sending digital spammage to this chat room!

Awesome! i didn't know I could do that!

Chopper3

@MisterITGuru I've spotted your ID around recently - with an account name like that you'd better be good ;)

Sam

2:18 PM

@MisterITGuru i'm good, there are actually quite a few of us from the UK, just not here at the min

SmallClanger

/me waves

Mister IT Guru

@Chopper3 - I've been using this nick for like 10 years, I had an adolescent urge one day, and it's stuck since then! It does mean having this nick that I don't need to apologise for mistakes, so ... hehe!

Chris S

Anyone know of some "cheap" 10GbE cards? I'm looking for something to screw around with, but $1k USD for a pair is putting a slight damper on that idea.

packs

Hm. Maybe /me should be one of our memes.

Robert Moir

i prefer rm -rf

Mister IT Guru

2:20 PM

I see you can only edit posts within a small window, that's a good idea - This chat room is awesome

packs

@ChrisS I've got it on my list to find something, I'll let you know if I do.

Chris S

@packs or at least convert it into action

Chopper3

@MisterITGuru :) only kidding, where are you in London, I lived in Brook Green for about a decade but moved near Bournemouth about 6 years ago

Zypher

@packs there is a userscript for that: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts

Robert Moir

i'm out bedford way

packs

2:21 PM

@ChrisS I've got a fistful of IDS sensors that will need to be upgraded eventually, blah.

Robert Moir

quite a few brits and other europeans around here in the day

Chopper3

@ChrisS overclock some 1Gb ones :) - seriously though how much are they? I only ever buy blades and never buy extra NICs so I'm really out of touch

packs

@Zypher Cute.

Mister IT Guru

@Chopper3 @RobertMoir I'm a central londoner born and raised, (30+ years) so I don't know that I'm being ripped off by the prices of ....... everything

Zypher

@ChrisS looks like you can get intels for like 250$ newegg.com/Product/…

Chris S

2:23 PM

@Chopper3 I've found refub 10GbE cards for $280 + S&H now... But they've got CX4 connectors.

Mister IT Guru

I know I'm really late on this one, just been having my first experience with DRAC cards .... oohhh.. man ... I'm in love! :)

Zypher

oh yea not ethernet

ahh well

Robert Moir

Can't remember how much we paid for SFP+ 10GBe cards

but it wasn't very cheap, I DO remember that

Chris S

@Zypher RJ45 ones are still $600, and the SPF+ cards need a GBIC that costs another $250+.

pauska

10GIG BASE-T FTW?

Zypher

2:24 PM

@MisterITGuru haha yea ... i had alot of issues with 9th gen DRACs but the new one are teh sweet

Robert Moir

Have to say though that the SFP+ ones are working well. As they bloody well ought to for the money, mind you, but still

Mister IT Guru

@Zypher So sweeet! I watched a video of the server startup via the web interface over my phone in an FreeNX session, to my work desktop, while I was 300 miles away ... awesome

Zypher

haha

Chris S

@RobertMoir OEM or similar cards usually run $1k USD each right now. The higher end ones with virtual networking, iSOE, and all that jaz run double that.

Robert Moir

keeps the switch side of things simple too - same ports for both local copper and fibre to other switch rooms, and just buy a few fibre gbics as needed.

Zypher

2:26 PM

yea ... the problem i had with 9th gen ones ... was well after a while they liked to lock and prevent the box from booting

Mister IT Guru

Damn, must go help stupid user - sent 200 pages to print, and our print server has like 8G of memory, so the job finished spooling!

Zypher

ahh gotta venture out in 12"+ of snow for coffee if i'm not back in 20 mins ... wait longer

Robert Moir

I think we got intel cards with all the salad, but we're paying educational prices luckily for us

Mister IT Guru

@Zypher Good luck :)

Chopper3

:( chat timeout again - anyway, CX4 * shudders *

Iain

2:31 PM

/me is in the UK and would like to try a reuben

Chopper3

@ChrisS that's ridiculous pricing though - I buy HP BL460c G7 blades which come with dual 10Gb NICs on for £1.4k each (single e5640/6GB/2x146 10ks) - so that's a silly price

pauska

aaaargh.. this is suited as a SU question, but you are my gang and crew etc

when I scroll my mouse in outlook it jumps about 9 pages down

it works just fine in every other application

what the ..

Chopper3

have you tried using your other hand?

pauska

hardy harr

heres another funny thing: If I disable scrolling completely in the logitech app then scrolling doesnt work in any application exept outlook...

packs

@pauska Have you tried turning it off and on again?

pauska

2:39 PM

everyone here work at Wiseguy Inc.?

Chopper3

Is this when you're scrolling in Norwegian or English?

Bart Silverstrim

Change your socks so the pointer doesn't stick so much?

You don't have light shining through a...what is that thing? window? or something like that that interferes with the optical sensor do you?

Chopper3

by 'outlook' do you mean 'thehun.com'?

Mister IT Guru

@pauska not everyone works at WiseGuy Inc, I work @ Silly Questions Get Silly Answers Corp :)

Chris S

@pauska Logitech <- I found your problem!

Mister IT Guru

2:40 PM

@BartSilverstrim - I changed my socks, but my IT problems still remain. Shall I upgrade my shoes as well ? :)

Bart Silverstrim

What application?

Chopper3

This fixed my problem too!!! thanks!!!!

Mister IT Guru

/me will be serious now!

packs

@pauska Is it plugged in?

Chris S

@pauska Check the settings in Control Panel -> Mouse, might override your Logitech App settings for MS products...

Robert Moir

2:43 PM

you need to upgrade the internet. Have you seen a small black box anywhere?

Iain

outlook-tips.net/archives/2004/20040629.htm

Chris S

@RobertMoir YOU LOST THE BLACK BOX?! I knew we never should have trusted you with the Internet.

pauska

I've found the solution, but by all means continue your blabbering!

Robert Moir

its being degaussed by Steven Hawking himself.

Mister IT Guru

.... I like this room - your all nuts, meaning I fit right in !

Robert Moir

2:44 PM

we try harder

Iszi

Yeah, I love coming in here for the first time every day or after an extended break. There's always at least three conversations crossing over each other and no way to tell what the heck is going on until you've watched for about five minutes.

packs

Thanks guys. Now I need to watch the 'Fire' episode tonight.

Chris S

@pauska Well at least share what the solution was. Please?

pauska

@ChrisS: Remove logitech software

Iain

@pauska and the solution is ... ?

Mister IT Guru

2:45 PM

@pauska - I think we sysads generally have to take every opportunity to have a laugh, because, well, we deal with peoples bull shit all day long, you know! - But at times, we should be more professional, looks at a user - you know who you are! hehe - Hope you got your issue fixed btw

pauska

@MisterITGuru: I'm in the game aswell, dont sweat it :)

Chopper3

@pauska can we have a visio of the solution please?

packs

@pauska I can tell from your mouse problems exactly how 'on' your game is :)

Mister IT Guru

@pauska - It's all good :)

Chopper3

you know why we all turned on him don't you - he switched sides for a moment - became a user - so we acted as a pack

Robert Moir

2:48 PM

that figures, I had the logitech keyboard software on my home PC and it screwed up surprisingly often

i think that might be it

packs

@Chopper3 I see what you did there. Used a pun to indicate following behind me. Nicely done.

Bart Silverstrim

Wait...you installed the special proprietary gee-whizbang glitzy software that often ends up screwing up the hardware or interactions with other software? And you're a sysadmin?!

For shame...

pauska

Actually, I didnt

Win7 pulled it in as a recommended update

and it gave me shiny notifications about battery level etc

Robert Moir

MS were also pushing their own intellimouse software. That's pretty bad too

SmallClanger

You installed a recommended update from Microsoft?! For shame... :P

Robert Moir

2:51 PM

it seems that those pieces of software are specifically designed to make the associated hardware less pleasant to use. Which is a pretty odd design goal when you think about it.

SmallClanger

We're stuck with the logitech on some of our wireless meeting room PC setups. The keyboard doesn't work without them. They also do crap things with the middle button.

It's almost as aggravating as those keyboards that relegated the function keys in place of office-related specific things. (just give me 5 minutes alone with whoever came up with that...)

Chopper3

@RobertMoir intellimouse on mac is teh aces though

Robert Moir

not tried it

packs

Middle button should paste, period.

Chris S

@SmallClanger I inherited a policy of letting Managers bring in their own keyboards and mice... I had two (now one) that used top of the line Logitech stuff and was strongly of the opinion that more expensive = works better; Logitech's 'high end' stuff if a pile of crap, their drivers are sketchy as hell, the software is bloated and impossible to make work, and the hardware doesn't works without the aforementioned two. Don't misconstrue this as an endorsement for MS's Inteli-crap either.

Robert Moir

2:56 PM

we have a policy of "You'll use what we give you and you'll be happy to have it"

Chopper3

I don't know about you guys but I pretty much insist on old-school WIRED mice these days for everything, I just got sick of interference and duff batteries

packs

I've been really happy with the Dell keyboard/mouse that came with my optiplex.

Robert Moir

only thing I use wireless for is the media centre

Zypher

@Chopper3 hear hear

packs

Both are simple, and feel real nice.

tombull89

2:57 PM

work is all wired

SmallClanger

@ChrisS: I'm in a similar boat. I tnd to buy Logitech 250 keyboards (Basic about 6 quid) and MS basic optical mice, but I'll get in ergonomic stuff on demand if people want it.

Robert Moir

life's too short for wireless keyboard and mouse nonsense

SmallClanger

I've not yet seen a single piece of mouse/KB software that's worth a damn.

tombull89

although at home I've got a logitech keyboard/mouse set for use with my laptop

Chopper3

of course it doesn't help that my office is full of broadband routers (as in probably 300-500 witin 100-200m and nobody remembers to switch off the wifi)

Chris S

2:59 PM

@RobertMoir You can have my wireless mouse when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!

Robert Moir

no its ok, you can keep it

really

Chopper3

we had over a 150 SSIDs in range at one point - about once a year I send out a "bloody stop it" email and within a day it drops to about 5

@ChrisS are you in nebraska or something?

Kyle Brandt

This all seems strange to me, I have never had to install any drivers for Micrsoft or logitech mice/keyboards ...

Chris S

@KyleBrandt MS tries to get you to (for enhanced features) but they're almost never required. Only the 'high end' logitech stuff pulls those games.

Cakemox

Some need drivers if you want to enjoy the bells and whistles. Logitech G15.

Kyle Brandt

3:01 PM

Oh, just use Linux :-P

SmallClanger

@Chopper3: I'm trying to figure out what you do from all these hardware hints you keep giving. I can only imagine that you're the guy who runs the transmitter planet thing in Serenity.

tombull89

@KyleBrandt the Win 7 built in ones always work for me, I refuse point-blank to install guff that comes packaged with hardware, be it mice, printers, cameras or scanners.

Chris S

@Chopper3 No, I just really like my mouse. It's got one of those tilt wheels too, so I can scroll up/down and left/right (which is important when your biggest screen is 19")

Chopper3

@SmallClanger I build broadband-transitted consumer VoD systems, so we have loads of routers about for test/dev rigs

@ChrisS I love tilt stuff too but I just get jittery stuff happening when I use wireless

packs

@ChrisS My logitech G5 at home does the side scrolling just fine without fancy drivers

That is, of course, on linux, though.

Kyle Brandt

3:04 PM

@packs: Ditto

Chopper3

actually I lie, my lounge macmini uses one of those bluetooth majic mice things

Robert Moir

i have the logitech dinovo mini for my media centre at home. That actually works really well, especially as its paired with a mac mini and macs aren't on logitech's supported list

SmallClanger

I've got a G9 myself. Good mouse, but I did feel a bit of a dork loading those dinky, little weights into it.

Warner

I'm a huge fan of Logitech, @ChrisS. MX5500. Their mice with their weighted wheel.. I can't imagine why you would hate it.

Chris S

@packs This is an MS mouse, no fancy drivers required, nice shape too (which is something I think many people underestimate when selecting a mouse).

Robert Moir

3:06 PM

i notice no-one here sticking up for the apple mouse designs....

Chris S

@RobertMoir "one button" need I say more?

Iszi

Aside from the fact that all Logitech products I've had thus far have been excellent, I love them for their product support. I've had two mice replaced by them with minimal hassle, and didn't even have to return the old equipment.

Warner

Logitech is king of input devices.. between their conference room remotes, universal remotes..

Chopper3

I just kind of did, the magic one in my lounge, but all of my other macs have MS mice though

Warner

I like Microsoft input devices too. In fact, I'm using them here now. But I usually buy Logitech first.

Robert Moir

3:07 PM

now to be fair you can right-click just fine on an apple mouse these days. That's far from their biggest problem

Iszi

In the first case, it was an issue of my own creation that I couldn't figure out how to resolve. Five minutes after having gotten off the phone to line up the replacement, I figured the dang thing out and ended with two working mice.

Chopper3

@ChrisS that's not been the case for years

Chris S

@Chopper3 details details ;-)

tombull89

apple mac mice...nice but expensive for what is just going to be used for pointing and clicking at stuff.

Chopper3

yeah, the magic one is just pretty, which for the lounge is nice, but it constantly runs out of battery power - luckily I have teenagers to do menial work like replacing them

Bart Silverstrim

3:18 PM

Which one is it that has multitouch (apple mice)?

Is that the magic mouse?

Did someone really criticize Macs for one mouse button? I suppose he likes Windows with that archaic DOS box to do anything! :-p

Iszi

@BartSilverstrim Aye

Magic Mouse

The Magic Mouse is a multi-touch mouse manufactured and sold by Apple, and it was announced and sold for the first time on October 20, 2009. The Magic Mouse is the first consumer mouse to have multi-touch capabilities. Taking after the iPhone, iPod Touch, and multi-touch trackpads, the Magic Mouse allows the use of gestures such as swiping and scrolling across the top surface of the mouse to interact with desktop computers. The mouse requires at least Mac OS X 10.5.8 and Bluetooth. It can be configured as a two-buttoned left-handed or right-handed mouse, but the default is a single butt...

Bart Silverstrim

My boss has the magic mouse. I guess he really likes it.

Chopper3

it's ok, small, doesn't stand out, it's drive me nuts using it all day though

Bart Silverstrim

Batteries...the problem with any wireless doohicky. I'd rather have the cable with my mouse and keyboard if it means not having to put up with the periodic @!#%!! of having it act up when the battery goes low with something that is really kind of important to be able to use my system.

It's slick and nicely designed and the multitouch can be handy, no doubt. Just not enough to convince me overcoming my personal aversion to finding new batteries is worth it.

SmallClanger

It's ergonomically horrible, though.

Dan

3:25 PM

logitech.com/en-us/428/174

SmallClanger

Can't tell if it's a mouse or a panty liner.

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Iszi

@BartSilverstrim Keep a charger near the mouse and use rechargeables. They run out faster, and that is pretty annoying, but at least you don't have to do the "fishing around" bit so much.

Dan

Thats my most favorite mouse ever. bluetooth, on/off switch to conserve power

Dynamo

I'm all about the Logitech G5. I think I've owned 3 or 4 of them now.

Bart Silverstrim

@SmallClanger multitouch makes interesting possibilities there, I suppose.

Iszi

3:27 PM

@BartSilverstrim o.0

SmallClanger

Heh. The next person who asks me for an ergo mouse, I'm buying them an omax personal massager and letting them figure it out.

Cakemox

@Dynamo That is a fine mouse, that one. I still use an MX518 at work, but it would likely be replaced with a G5 if it broke.

Mister IT Guru

Any XEN users in here?

Iszi

@Cakemox The first Logitech I'd had replaced was an MX700 - loved it.

packs

@Iszi Indeed, I replaced my MX700 with the G5 and was way happier. Smoother and wired. Plus, thanks to the weight cart, I was able to make it almost the same heft as the 700.

Iszi

3:32 PM

I'm running a V220 these days, but that's mainly for laptop portability. If I could get an MX700 or something like it for my work desktop, I would.

packs

@Iszi I find the wheel on the g5 is a bit too sensitive, it tends to scroll up a notch when I try to click. Except for that, I wouldn't go back.

Iain

serverfault.com/questions/227655/… really makes me want to have a snarky closed option

packs

@Iain Personally, I loved @Chopper3's answer. Short and to the point.

Iain

I like it too and I bet it gets him (another) nice answer badge

Dan

I just borrowed a magic mouse for my hackintosh, i was sold in 2 minutes

Chopper3

3:45 PM

my lounge macmini just sits there torrenting tv-show/films and playing them back with VLC - for this the magic mouse is fine - anything more than this would, I think, result in a mouse/wall interface

Dan

My hackintosh is only used for itunes/iphone management and music

Chopper3

actually that user has asked 8 homework-style questions in 48 hours - and not read comments left for him. Hmmm.... hey mod candidates - what would you do?

Dan

Not a candidate, but I would issue a warning to the user in a comment.

Bart Silverstrim

</whispers "give him the wrong answers...">

Robert Moir

tell him the answers are all in the BOFH articles on the register

SmallClanger

3:56 PM

Agree with everything he says. (If it is his homework, he'll probably come back to complain)

Robert Moir

point out that you only get out of things what you put into them.

packs

@Chopper3 Look through the webserver logs for his IP address, figure out which school he likely attends, plow through webpages looking for the networking profs, and see what their syllabus says is currently on topic.

SmallClanger

Maybe find his IP address, log in to his home router (it'll have the default password), then set his MTU to 1...

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Robert Moir

time to head off home :-D

packs

@RobertMoir Enjoy.

Chopper3

4:01 PM

Chris, it's not a 2-char-answer, there's a pretend tag in there saying something like; left-bracket obligatory padding characters right-bracket

Bart Silverstrim

I like @packs idea...

Chopper3

@SmallClanger hahaha

packs

@BartSilverstrim I would mark that time down to 'Investigation'

Chopper3

given he's in Sri Lanka I doubt very much he's called Jake either

Sam

I'd usually leave a comment that it looked very much like homework, and we'd be happy to assist him with an areas where he is stuck and can show us what work he has done already, but we're not going to do his home work for him

Chopper3

4:09 PM

hopefully not come over as a dick in my comment

packs

@Chopper3 With your accent? No, you just sound dry and sophisticated.

Sam

aargh, it's 4.15 and I have achieved no work today, I have spent all day trying to sort out NDA agreements! Remind me never to be a lawyer!

Chopper3

@packs Yes, I can see why that would appear the case ;)

sysadmin1138

This user?

user68350

96 3

tcp dns cable ipv6 sliding-window networking

Chopper3

yus

pfo

4:16 PM

hey guys

sysadmin1138

Howdy.

Chopper3

hi

pfo

anyone in here who has used mcaffee enterprise for storage systems (with a netapp) ?

Chris S

@pfo That's a pretty specific combination, probably not going to find it in here.

sysadmin1138

Huh, didn't know they'd gotten into storage.

Chopper3

4:22 PM

use netapps but not mcaffee/intel :) sorry

Chris S

@sysadmin1138 I assume he means their malware protection for storage systems.

pfo

well it seems that it's just a plugin for their enterprise scanner that talks to a netapp

sysadmin1138

@ChrisS Aaaaah.

Chris S

McAfee has got into AV systems for just about everything.

SmallClanger

Including voting machines in the US, if I remember correctly.

pfo

4:23 PM

really?!

Chris S

I saw their new AV appliance for ESX clusters. Impressive, offloads AV from the host/guest OSes, does require a bit of software for the ESX host, but the guest OSes don't strictly need the client to be protected (they need the client for the "threats" to be gracefully taken care of though).

pfo

@Chopper maybe u can help me out with a capacity puzzle i've been having with a new installation. One aggregate with 3RGs each with 15 1TB disks - total 45 disks - if I account for paraity and dparity disks I should have 39TB of total net capacity but the system shows 27TB.

Chopper3

WAFL f'ing you over I guess

mind you that's a lot - got more details?

pfo

aggr snap reserve is set to 0

it's the root aggr and it contains an 8.0.1 64bit root volume (210G as recommended)

nothing else on it

i basically always use 0.6 as the magic netapp factor to know what the real usable capacity on a aggr will be

and it does suit we kinda well since 39TB * 0.6 is 27TB

but somehow i'd like to really understand what's going on there

Chopper3

@pfo on a call - 10 mins

SmallClanger

4:34 PM

Voting machine reference: networkworld.com/news/2008/… (Had to dig that up to convince myself I hadn't invented it.)

sysadmin1138

Remember back on Monday when I published this? (sysadmin1138.net/mt/blog/2011/01/…) Apparently it's gone viral. Only, it's the RSS bit that's going viral not the actual page. 35K views on that feed item, all of 400 for the page.

Chris S

The whole e-voting machine thing really frustrates me. I'd have no problem designing a system that just plain works every time. But I don't have money to build it, and I don't have money to buy off politicians to get government contracts, don't have and buddies in the Good Ole Boys Club....

Bart Silverstrim

@ChrisS the issues are more in depth with e-voting than just making it work every time. I think Bruce Schneier (sp?) has a number of articles on that.

packs

@ChrisS Remember a few years ago when the president of Diebold promised that he would deliver the Ohio presidential vote to the Republicans? Good times.

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim I have a very broad definition of "just plain works". I've read most (all?) of Bruce's articles on the topic... follow his articles quite closely.

packs

4:42 PM

So does Apple....

Bart Silverstrim

Isn't B.S. great? ...wait, that doesn't sound right.

Chris S

@BartSilverstrim Yep, I always look forward to reading my e-mail in the morning on the 15th.

packs

Nothing like having the president of the company making the voting machines also be a political party campaign chairman.

Chris S

@packs see comment above about buying politician, to get government contracts, more money, buy more politicians, you get the idea...

packs

@ChrisS Quite. I just prefer it when they show a little more tact.

Chris S

4:46 PM

I prefer when karma catches up with them...

packs

Hey, enjoy your salt-petered beef everybody.

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