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12:00 AM
I finally crested 2K on SU so I can at least edit posts now. That's the thing I miss the most.
When was that video posted? -- April 2009. I see.
 
April 29, 2009
 
A LOT has changed since then.
 
Recently there was a big injection of capital, I heard.
 
I remember watching that video back on Google Video before they shut the site down
 
@kennyr Yes, back in April I believe.
 
12:01 AM
@kennyr - yeah, they raised about $US6m from investors
Used it to hire a bunch more staff, build a bigger datacentre and build the new SE network
 
Get a new DC that is. They have colo in Oregon right now, and a new Colo in DC.
 
well they did create a winning formula. This could be as big as the wiki.
 
@sysadmin1138 in NYC ;)
 
eah, that. Fingers too fast for brainz.
 
yea that happens
@kennyr i'm sure betting on it :)
 
12:05 AM
I wonder how well sites like these will age. In 5 years you'll still have questions about Windows 2003 clogging up your search results. Every basic entry-level question will be answered, so there's no point of entry for newcomers trying to gain some points.
 
I never made the connection that Joel's software company is the same people that make Fog Creek Copilot, a remote support tool that is on my list to evaluate here shortly.
 
</cynic>
 
@kennyr - you're not the only one thinking that
But we're fortunate in that an answer about how to fix $x on $y version $z is not really likely to change
And having "old" questions doesn't really clog up UI at all, because they're never displayed anywhere unless someone explicity searches for them
 
Ben
Someone will always find a new, interesting and unique way to b0rk something. I don't think we'll do that badly over time :P
 
I mean, we're getting questions about Windows NT 4.0 still - and I'll bet that in 5 years time people will still have NT4 boxes to support
I know that the two biggest retailer chains in Australia both use NT4 worktations on their POS terminals
 
12:07 AM
It all depends on good tagging then.
 
And they have > 10,000 installations of them
@kennyr - that's absolutally correct. Tagging is king.
 
It appears that the first tag is what is put in the page's meta description tag. I wish it was all of them... but then again it would look ugly in search results I guess.
 
They've done some work to shift around what tag gets on the Meta-desc tag. Something about the most popular tag going first or some such.
 
Ben
@Farseeker My partners parents are landlords of the local pub. The games machine runs Windows 2000 and the jukebox runs Windows 95! "Terminal" style stuff always seems to run ancient operating systems
 
I saw a question today, the guy said something like "I'm using the current version of Ubuntu server", and just tagged it with "ubuntu". Made me wish I had 2k rep so I could just throw 10.10 in there.
 
Ben
12:10 AM
@WesleyDavid I believe the most popular tag is placed in the <title>
 
@kennyr, was his question really limited to that specific version of Ubuntu? If it the question isn't version specific we shouldn't tag it as such.
 
Could it hurt?
I mean, you can't predict what kind of Q&A will be relevant for future versions.
 
@kennyr, yes. If someone is trying to find an answer to a generic question they would probably look in [ubuntu] not a version specific tag. If a generic tag wasn't found they may ask a new one where the only difference is the version number.
 
That's one of the reasons why I tag my questions [windows] [windows-server-2008] as it gets both populations.
 
I suppose so... That makes good tagging more difficult.
 
12:17 AM
It does. Sometimes I think it would be useful if there was some tag relationships other then just a synonym. So ubuntu and ubuntu-10.10 are somewhat linked. So displaying the contents of the [ubuntu] tag displayed the subtag, but if I went to the version specific tag [ubuntu-10.10] I just got 10.10 stuff, combined with a suggestion to consider using the less specific tag.
Not sure if there is a meta feature-request about that already. i suspect there is though.
 
@Zoredache - I'm not sure that there is, and it's def. worth mentioning if it's not
 
I second that motion.
 
And MSO now allegedly has "better search" so this might be a chance to try it out
 
@Zoredache Be sure to link it here if you should put the idea up on meta.
 
A very simple version of it would simply be that [ubuntu] includes all subsets if [ubuntu-*] as this would work for [windows] and [office] and dozens of other tags
 
12:22 AM
The dash nomenclature is one we're quite fond of. I think SU is also fond of it.
 
Ben
It still surprises me that Backup Exec is [backupexec] rather than [backup-exec]
(Thanks @sysadmin1138 for your answer on my question btw - you confirmed what I thought, which kinda sucks)
 
Tell them to always set there message through OWA
In OWA there is only a single dialog, and it updates both.
 
Ben
Really?
I thought there was two
 
I tend to tag broad to narrow, probably a bit to overzealously: Windows, Server, Windows-Server, Windows-Server-2008, Windows-Server-2008-R2 ; And then I get frustrated that I ran out of tags to also put Microsoft, Microsoft-Exchange, Microsoft-Exchange-2007, Microsoft-Exchange-2007-SP2
 
Ben
@Zoredache I just jumped on our OWA - I can set separate internal and external messages
 
12:26 AM
I'm not on 2010 yet, just 2007, so can't check ours.
 
Nevermind, your right. I thought there was only one there (2007), the second one is just below the fold and I never notice it.
 
Ben
I sense a hacky PowerShell script running at midnight to set the external message the same as the internal one (or some other craziness)
 
Heh, yes. I sense hackness in your future as well.
Our 2010 project has been on hold for... 3? 4? months now because of OWA. Apparently MS made it much, much harder to put an SSO solution in front of OWA. And that? That changes the user experience. We have Issues with that around here.
 
Ben
Even I sometimes forget to change the external message, and I'm intimately familiar with the whole setup. Those poor sales girls in our office who can barely turn their computer on are doomed
Yes, we have the same UX problems - all of a sudden when a mailbox moves, their OOF changes. It's really hampering us moving people over at the minute while we have to write notes with pictures et al for our users
Writing "this is how you do it now" is easy. The office politics with the senior managers is the fun (?) bit.
 
We need to get approval from our desktop people before we get the 2010 CA servers in the loop. People will have to log in twice to get to email. And budget wrestling has pushed the UI approval to the bottom of the heap whilst we wait, and wait, and wait.
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Q: Single-Signon options for Exchange 2010

freiheitWe're working on a project to migrate employee email from Unix/open-source (courier IMAP, exim, squirrelmail, etc) to Exchange 2010, and trying to figure out options for single-signon for Outlook Web Access. So far all the options I've found are very ugly and "unsupportable", and may simply not ...

Our problem.
I need to head home.
 
Ben
12:36 AM
And I ought to head to bed
 
Hah, just got the "self learner" badge - how did I not have that one before?
Cya @sysadmin1138 @Ben
 
12:48 AM
Heh, I was the guy that gave you the third vote. :D
 
@Zoredache - I feel dirty
I just gave you a downvote :(
 
Really?
 
-1
A: In-Place Upgrade of OS and SQL (32 to 64) - Is it possible?

ZoredacheThere is no way to do an OS upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit.

 
Ah, I miss-read the question. I was pretty sure he said a 32bit version of the OS.
 
Yeah the title was misleading
 
12:50 AM
ahh ... i see what happened
he's gonna have to rip and replace teh SQL part right? havn't uhh tried that or even thought about doing it
 
That title really was misleading, I glanced at it and came to the same conclusion. titled edited
 
I love questions that can be answered wit just one worth though: "yes"
Or "no"
 
Also, with the current size of my window currently the line break happens directly between the 'Windows Server 2003 R2' and '64 bit'. Oh well, I need a downvote anyway. It really bugs me when my reputation is not evenly divisible by 10.
 
but but what about maybe?
 
Or in one case I tried to answer "hyperthreading" but my answer wasn't longe nough
@Zypher - I think the correct phrase then is It Depends&tm;
 
12:54 AM
ah yes of course
 
@Zoredache - in that case, I don't feel so bad about it
 
No upvotes on that question yet? Shame.
 
I tried to remove my downvote after I realised you were in chat
But it was too late :(
I love the changes they've made to the diff tool as well
They're very minor, but they work well
 
1:18 AM
Oh cool, the chat remains up during site maintenance.
 
@kennyr chat and the sites are hosted out of different data centers
 
I wonder what they do during these maintenance windows
 
Drink wine
 
Listen to the ventilation system
 
1:28 AM
Maybe they are implementing a random() sort function.
 
@Zypher That picture makes me swell with Belgian pride.
 
we're replacing our internal search engine on #stackoverflow so there may be a brief (5-15 minute) outage network wide
 
also thirsty
 
Twitter, bah
Why isn't stuff like that all posted in a central location
We don't all use twitter
(I have a particular hatred of twitter)
 
@kennyr yea must resist walking to the bar that has it
along with a whole other host of trappist brews
@Farseeker if i'm doing something i'll normally post it on blog.sf
 
1:34 AM
In what country?
 
USA
just a small little dive that carries lots of good beer
 
It really irks me that there's no central change log for the site features as well
 
Nice that you have trappist beers in bars over there.
 
oh yea
 
I miss out on a lot of them because they're only announced in either chat or some obscure meta post
 
1:35 AM
when i go into philly propper this is my favorite place: monkscafe.com
 
I'm sad to say I haven't had any foreign beers.
 
ahh, that's no good gotta expand your horizons :)
i mean just because it's 25$ a bottle shouldn't stop you :)
 
@Zypher, any chance they will be giving us a running count of how many people have voted on the elections? I am curious how many people are acutally voting.
Or does someone believe that can be used to game the system somehow?
 
@Zoredache - I'm going to guess it will be a dissapointingly low number
 
running count no, but they'll release the totals after
 
1:40 AM
We seem to have a mostly transient population
Personally I think a 3-week election process is about 2 weeks longer than it should be
3 days for nominations followed by 4 days for voting would be fine
 
But telling us the stats after don't let give us the chance to start bugging people and telling them, that they should vote.
@Farseeker, perhaps it had to be longer for stackoverflow since there where so many candidates? We had so few here, and they where well known it was pretty easy.
 
@Zoredache - perhaps
In Australia our entire federal elections are done in about 3 weeks
I know in the US elections go on for months and months and months
It just seems a bit strange to me
That and the whole idea of primaries is odd as well
 
@Farseeker they've managed to streach it to years and years with all the damn ads on tv
 
I will say though that the idea of mid-term elections seemed friggin crazy when I first heard of it, but once I was taught the logic behind it, and understanding that your president is elected independantly of the senate, it made more sense
 
US politics are a befuddlement to the world.
 
1:54 AM
I liek the idea that you get to choose your leader, in the british system each party presents you a leader and you vote for the party, not the leader
Which leads to fun situations like we had in Australia where we all loved this guy called Kevin Rudd, and we all voted for his party, and then he was stabbed in the back by someone else in his own party and we've got someone that nobody likes or voted for
 
actually, it's pretty fun here, you arn't voting for a candidate you are actaully voting for a representative for your state to the electoral college who has pledged to vote for that candidate
in most states they arn't bound in any way to actually vote the way they pledged
 
Our elections cause befuddlement. The whole Primary thing is there to whittle the slate for the General election down from way-lots to few, and participation in primaries is minimal.
@Zypher Ah yes, the Rogue Elector problem.
 
Ya for gods sake we need the popular vote
 
@KyleBrandt we never had the popular vote ;) (nevermind he editied his remark ... bastard)
 
Ya, I don't know why I typed that :-)
People might actually think there is a point again in some states
In Mass it is a waste of time at least for president
Even when every other state in the country voted republican mass was still a democratic vote
 
2:01 AM
Yeah tha tI don't get either
 
haha
nice
it's always fun to see if the east and west of pa will smash the middle into submission
 
Heh. in 1984, Minnesota and DC where the only states to not go to Regan. Same kinda deal.
 
Do the states with more people in them get a heavier-weighted vote?
 
@Farseeker: Yes
 
2:03 AM
Well thats something I guess :p
 
But what happens is that certain states get very republican or or very democratic... so you want to vote the other way and you live in that state it doesn't really matter
So presidents spend all there time in states that could go either way
 
I saw an episode of Top Gear UK where they went to America and wrote "Hillary for President" on their car in the deep south
Some rednecks threw rocks at them
It was quite amusing to see politcs taken that seriously
Alabama I think it was
 
I find it kind of odd considering how close the two parties are
 
Well really they're all just as bad as eachother, aren't they? Thats how it goes pretty much everywhere
 
That is what the system does, pushes people to the middle to create stability
Well its not really that, its more that just most views are pretty similar
 
2:06 AM
I must say, I'm quite impressed that nobody has made a successful attempt to assasinate Obama
Either he's got reallllly good security or America isn't as racist as the rest of the world has been taught to believe
 
god i hope not ... just think of what kinda insane bills they'll get pushed through then
but no we really arn't
 
Well there is blatant racism, and then racism that people are not really aware of...
 
I think it's just become a a bit vogue to dislike America
 
The latter is pretty common in older generations but less so today I think
 
I don't really have a problem with America, except for abnoxious tourists
But if you want talk about about abnoxious tourists, Australian backpackers top the list I think
 
2:14 AM
when you have a drunken goal of being the most obnoxious tourist because your funnying and hey your american it's expected
something is wrong
 
I just ate potato chips and an unholy amount of pizza topped with soda.
I'll be 29 this year. My metabolism can't handle this much longer.
 
SF is up again.
 
Did they spill beer on the server or something?
 
They replaced the search engine if I'm not mistaken.
 
So I guess now would be a bad time to request a new search feature.
 
2:27 AM
Man I'm already getting better search results
 
2:38 AM
When did the backup and recovery room start?
 
@WesleyDavid eh? i guess i should break out of the 'favorites' box every now and again
 
3:07 AM
@WesleyDavid a couple hours ago apparently
 
3:23 AM
@Zypher When have you voted for your electoral college rep?
Also, looking at the Ohio state breakdown is hillarious because there's this puddle of blue at Cleveland, a puddle of blue at Columbus (both major metro areas), then a puddle of blue in Athens (not a metro area).
And now I'm caught up to like 5 hours ago. Enjoy making sense of it :)
 
@packs every time i vote for a prez
 
Well, you're expressing an opinion to your electoral college representative.
It does not, however, determine who will represent you.
 
oh right
 
Unless, of course, I misunderstood civics. Which is entirely possible considering the quality education I received :)
 
no no you're right
i think ... to wikipedia!
 
3:29 AM
Can you tell that to my wife :)
No, it's cool. No need to verify.
 
that's good cus uhh wikipedia fail
IIRC each party selects 1 rep from each congressional district
the party the wins the district sends thier rep
 
Sounds rather British to me....
Off with their heads!
 
haha
yea in very simple terms that's it
The Electoral College consists of the popularly elected representatives (electors) who formally elect the President and Vice President of the United States. Since 1964, there have been 538 electors in each presidential election. Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution specifies how many electors each state is entitled to have and that each state's legislature decides how its electors are to be chosen. U.S. territories are not represented in the Electoral College. The Electoral College is an example of an indirect election. The election for President and Vice President is ...
our political system makes my head hurt
 
Unfortunately, it was originally designed to work in a world completely foreign to our own, in a culture completely foreign to our own, and has only been made weirder along the way.
I kind of feel like we built up to the Windows ME of electoral process.
 
haha yea
 
3:38 AM
The engineer in me wants to scrap and rebuild. The citizen in me is scared shitless of what we might end up with instead!
 
yea, if we where gonna do that i think the 40-50 years ago would have been a better time ... but yea that would take an amendment and those uhh are hard to do even when the majority wants it
 
Particularly considering the *immense* investment by the very people who would be most hurt by the change.
 
ohh yea
 
Well, I guess I can't bold and italic the same bit. Oh well
 
poinst still comes across to those of us that where around the intertubes before markdown
 
3:43 AM
I guess you're not that young :)
Ooo! Speaking of which. The other day I found a gopher server on campus. How awesome is that?!?
 
hahaha sweeeeeeeet
 
Gopher, wow
I'm fairly sure even IE has dropped gopher support :p
 
Yeah, it brought back good memories of trying to find muds.
 
I can't say I've ever actually had to use gopher
I was fortunate enough to come in after HTTP was popularised
 
You see, in the old days, before Sir Tim we didn't have the web. I would say back when you were in elementary school. :)
 
3:51 AM
i remember having to go out on gopher to try and find a place to get netscape for the mac
 
hah, firefox DOES support gopher, they only dropped it in the 4.0 beta
 
using OS 6 i think it was at the time
mighta been 7
ahh the good old days
 
I wouldn't know about your 'Mac' things. I was on WorkBench 3.1 in those days.
And I liked it!
 
hahaha
(you're not THAT much older than me)
 
Not enough to matter, no :)
 
3:58 AM
alright bed time for me
 
Indeed.
 
4:11 AM
Anyone remember archie and veronica? And not the comic characters
Master gopher search server was veronica. FTP search was archie.
Wewt.
 
@WesleyDavid - can't say I do. But I'm still trying to get used to you losing the middle part of your name, so that doesn't really say much
 
Of course, think I found my first Linux using Archie.
Was slakware 2.3 or something like that. I had to buy ~40 floppy disks so I could install that.
 
Haha I remember installing Windows 95 from floppy
And disk 13 was corrupted, which was at least better than disk 43
Actually I think there was only 13 disks
So maybe I hyperbolated
 
It depends on which edition. I vaguely remember a version with a couple extra for something.
Maybe the plus pack, that gave you IE 1.0?
 
I know Windows 3.11 was 3 disks, with an extra 2 for the addons
And DOS was 2+1
Yeah, the plus pack was on floppy as well
And if you wanted USB you had to install OSR2
And then the supplement
That probably accounts for all the extra floppies
 
4:23 AM
I think the most floppies I ever saw was for Office 95. Only 11 or so.
I used to download MP3s on the family computer that was internet connected, then use Stuffit to compress them all into one archive and segment it into 1.3MB chunks to take back to the Mac in my room.
Using AOL 3.0
Circa 1997
 
Don't fucking get me started on StuffIT
Someone sent me a StuffIt file the other day, 800Kb it was
 
I hearted stuffit back in the day.
 
I needed to install 100Mb of StuffIt Expander bullshit just to extract it
 
The search is broken... :|
 
4:29 AM
I am trying to search for questions I answered or asked about mysql.
so a search for 'user:me mysql', and 'user:984 mysql' returns nothing. But I am very sure I have answered many mysql questions.
 
3
Q: New Stack Exchange Search, Try it out!

Nick CraverFor a few reasons, we recently changed the guts of how search works on our sites. If you keep up, you've probably read somewhere that we were using SQL Server Full Text Search. There are a few areas that utilize search that all got a replacement tonight: Search itself (box in the upper right)...

I'd report it there
Interestingly:
user:me mysql - No
user:me mssql - Yes
user:me [mysql] - No
user:me [microsoft-sql-server-2008] - No
 
I wish there was a date operator in search
 
Nic
4:58 AM
@Farseeker Farseeker, if you're using Mac OS X, maybe try out "The Unarchiver". I've had good luck using it to expand files compressed with the more arcane formats, including StuffIt.
 
@WesleyDavid, since they have switched to Lucene it should be very easy for them to add a date operator.
Most versions of Lucene have a date type. It would be easy enough for them to store the creation date of the question.
 
@Zoredache That's probably a MSO topic rather than a MSF one I'm guess, right?
 
Probably
 
I don't think I'll ever get tired of seeing Pauska's out-of-context quote up there. =)
 
@nic - nah purely a Windows user
 
5:30 AM
Alas poor ServerFault
Down again.
Hark!
It's up again.
Hey, I don't know if this is the proper place to bring up an issue like this, but does anyone else think that this user's meteoric reputation rise is slightly suspicious? serverfault.com/users/67876/osdyng
I mean, he seems to know his stuff, but he's answering a lot of questions from people who seem to be new registers themselves. Dunno... seems slightly suspicious.
I flagged one of his posts for mod attention and explained my suspicions.
 
Nic
@WesleyDavid 23 answers and 0 questions? We all should be so lucky. :-) My gut feeling is that it's unusual, but I'm not struck by anything specific.
 
@Nic Many of the questions he's answered have been from users that have been created in the last 7 days.
He's answered some Qs from established members, so he knows what he's talking about... or he's got some awesome Google-fu.
I just think he may be gaming the system. I sincerely hope he's not though.
 
Nic
5:46 AM
Half of his answers don't have any upvotes. If he's gaming the system, he's either great at it (masking the fakes with noise) or terrible (forgetting to upvote his own answers.)
 
5:58 AM
He only has 230 rep. That isn't what I would call a meteoric rise. A person can earn that much rep in a single day with two good answers.
 
Nic
@WesleyDavid Interesting blog, btw. For a while I have been considering starting a blog about my IT experiences, but I can't figure how to reconcile being public against my (perceived) need to keep details about my employer secret.
Honestly, even asking questions on SF sometimes makes me uneasy!
 
So who do you work for?
 
Nic
6:17 AM
Maybe I came off as being too dramatic; I just prefer to have a disconnect between the company's reputation and my own. It's not like I have a military clearance.
 
Ah.
 
 
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7:37 AM
yawn
 
7:50 AM
indeed
 
8:30 AM
@Zoredache btw that 32/64-bit question, he had edited, so you're answer was right until he did - thought you should know (presses imaginary up arrow :) )
 
8:47 AM
flagageddon this morning - 11 were waiting - roll on next week
 
there is another one now
 
you were in early robert
 
9:03 AM
funny, I've just started dealing with Splunk for the first time, only just realised their entire help system is an SE site - small world isn't it
 
yeah got to work early so had a look around here
 
yeah, roads were very clear today
 
its also dead quiet at work this morning aside from dealing with some politics
0
Q: What are the major differences between Oracle and MySQL?

Olivier LalondeWhat are the major differences between Oracle RDBMS and MySQL? What are typical use cases for both of them?

... how long do they got...
 
9:18 AM
that shouldn't be here it's a programming question
 
it got migrated here by SO. I'm in two minds about it - the question could easily be talking about a programatic level or at a systems level
 
I think it's more a DBA thing really or programming
 
I'm inclined to agree, as it was asked on SO after all. I wish they'd asked rather than just blindly migrated it to us
 
9:44 AM
I chose to address that question in the old way I know - if it's not what he wanted, well he should have been clearer I guess
 
Yep your wikipedia link... seems fair to me. And I've always believed that the amount of work that goes into an answer should be related to the amount that went into the question.
 
that's a valid point, it's just one of those wikipedia pages that does a great job (like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates)
 
10:07 AM
I popped into a McD's late last night on the way home, a tramp/bum/drunk-guy was busy vomiting all over the counter/till - I left
 
well that sounds... charming
 
yeah - suddenly much less peckish
 
10:30 AM
@Chopper3 There was a story in the Metro this morning about some guy getting turned away from McD's for not wearing the proper attire. Apparently they're now refusing people wearing tracksuits and hoodies after 8pm
Huh. The Vote to Close box has changed.. Can't offer migration suggestions any more :(
 
@TomOConnor if the question has already been migrated you can't migrate it again
 
@Iain Ah. Interesting.
 
yep - confused me the 1st time I was confronted with it. I suppose it stops them from going eound in circles
 
@Iain I suppose so!
 
10:49 AM
Yeah that caught me out too. I think they must have had a few games of migration tennis go on, and that helps nobody after all
 
is 10:55 too early for cake?
 
Never.
 
we'll it's going to be lunchtime at some place in the world...
 
Here it is lunchtime now!
 
Ha. Seems our Danish overlords got the wrong end of the stick.. It's bread.. 2 loaves of bread.
I can honestly say, for the first time in my life. The cake is a lie.
 
10:58 AM
groan
 
It honestly is though!
 
doh
let them eat brioche
 
Morning all. Speaking as someone who's just demolished a chelsea bun the size of a small car, I agree with Cakemox.
 
@RobertMoir Mmm. Brioche.. Heart cloggingly buttery.
 
oh yeah
 
11:04 AM
I've got a crunchie in the fridge for later, can't trump cake though.
 
11:42 AM
A crunchie?
Ahh, I see, some sort of candy bar.
 
 
Mmm. mouth sandpaper.
 
I am going to have to get one now
 
We don't get much of the British candy here.
 
hello everyone, I need a small help
 
11:48 AM
I now feel hungry
hey wait, its lunchtime. That explains that mystery
 
@RobertMoir can you tell me how can I transfer my existing wordpress site through ssh, I have installed LAMP
 
ntech, you're best off posting a full description of the problem as a question. You'll get more eyes on it that way.
 
Thanks, serverfault and wikipedia. By having to look up "Chelsea Bun" I've now learned of "Cockle Bread." Yowzah.
 
@Cakemox did you have to tell us about it ?
 
heh
 
11:57 AM
Nice. I wonder if they sell it in Greggs...
 
Yup. Bon appetit.
 
I bloody HATE crunchies - I'm more of a red Bountry man myself
it's a good job there's no Greggs near me
I've worked in the US a lot and I fell in love with White Castle burgers
 
looks like a lion bar in my lunch today
we have a lot of weird chocolate bars...
 
I'm more of a Mars man mysel, but I could easily go a Fuse or Double Decker.
 

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