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NautArch

17:01

Is this too broad?

RevanantBacon

@NautArch My mom did one for her puppy a couple months ago.

Thomas Markov

@NautArch I dont think it's too broad tbh. It definitely looks like it, but the problem is very clear; the list of spells in just unfortunately long. I think it's a really good question, and I don't think the large sample space of spells makes it too broad.

It's a difficult question, but it's one I think we can handle.

Did the fonts change while I was at lunch?

RevanantBacon

It seems that the dog is exactly 50% beagle, 50% mix of golden retriever, poodle, german shepherd, and a few others I don't remember. No genetic predisposition towards any particular diseases.

Thomas Markov

Yes, the fonts did change while I was at lunch.

vote numbers look bad tbh

NautArch

@RevanantBacon Was she happy with the results? Does she think they're legit?

and do you know which one she used?

RevanantBacon

17:07

@NautArch I agree with Thomas on this. Not to broad, just happens to be a long list of spells it applies to. Most of the changes would be the same across all affected spells though.

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov yeah, i wasn't sure. It's changing how a lot of spells work, so dealing with each variation seems big - but that's why I asked and didn't vote.

RevanantBacon

@NautArch Yes, Yes, and I'd have to ask because I forgot.

NautArch

@RevanantBacon Cool! We're trying it out with our two dogs.

RevanantBacon

Was it you that had recently gotten a puppy, or was that someone else? Maybe Korvin or our Ferrety friend?

NautArch

'twas I!

Thomas Markov

17:10

Yes, your fonts did change, the changes are detailed here! This meta post offers a user script to revert these font changes.

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^^^ I propose that this be starred

NautArch

She's doing pretty awesome. Still working on housebreaking, but my wife has apparently taught her to ring a bell.

Medix2

@NautArch Oh gosh, somebody is actually asking about that mess XD

NautArch

Her other training is going really well. She walks well on the leash,does recall consistently, sits. WOrking on Stay.

Thomas Markov

@NautArch What about "grab me a beer"?

RevanantBacon

@NautArch I feel like stay is one of the harder ones to teach

NautArch

17:11

@ThomasMarkov Don't drink :P But I do want to her to fetch my slippers.

@Medix2 I mean, different spells work differently is a totally legitimate.

RevanantBacon

Right after (or before, depending on breed) fetch

NautArch

Trying to make them all work the same is going to do weird things.

KorvinStarmast

@RevanantBacon our two dogs are 9 and 12 respectively.

NautArch

@RevanantBacon yeah, she's so-so on fetch. Stay is a tough one. She just wants to come to me.

RevanantBacon

@NautArch Having the different spells work differently also creates tactical options where one or the other may be more effective.

NautArch

17:13

@RevanantBacon That, too.

RevanantBacon

Which will hopefully be incorporated into an answer

Thomas Markov

We're slacking guys.

NautArch

I don't necessarily know what they are, but I think each spell's functions have a reason. Whitewashing them all to do work the same will not work.

Thomas Markov

> Proposed 1 hour ago Glorfindel

We let a Glorfindel edit sit in queue for over an hour

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov No, we're chatting. Slacking is on a different platform.

Thomas Markov

17:14

@NautArch womp womp

RevanantBacon

@NautArch I've got two tabs open, I'm multitasking it!

Medix2

@NautArch Yeah, but which ones work which way is... a seemingly arbitrary mess

RevanantBacon

@Medix2 That's also true, although I can bet that at least Bonfire isn't arbitrary.

Medix2

Yeah, some of them I can definitely make reasonable sense out of

RevanantBacon

My guess (and it is a guess) is that for Bonfire at least, it applies damage on cast because it's a cantrip

Medix2

17:18

But there's also a lot of timings possible, interestingly enough

Cast, turn start, turn end, (willing) movement... interesting for sure

RevanantBacon

It does bring up a few interesting tactical choices for avoiding the damage too. Let's say that we're using one of these hazard spells to block off a corner in a hallway. If the spell only applies on turn end, then it's actually much easier to avoid the effects. If you're fast enough, you can just sprint through without a problem, or step in, fire off a ranged attack, and step back out. If it applies on turn start, then same basic principle. If it applies first time you enter on a turn, you can zip back and forth through it while only risking damage once

Upper_Case

@Medix2 I don't mind. My answer didn't cover anything yours lacked, especially after your last edit. Since mine was the later answer, I figured it was just cluttering up the page

NautArch

@RevanantBacon and that's why it's important that spells work differently. There are different use cases.

RevanantBacon

@NautArch Exactly!

NautArch

But maybe this falls under the "I want to be able to do it all" header that WoTC is flying.

Medix2

17:25

There's also the horribly technical strategy of using readied movement to ignore a lot of things because it won't be on your turn

RevanantBacon

If anyone feels like stealing that for use in an anwer, feel free.

@Medix2 Well, only for the "end your turn there" damage. If it's "start of turn" or "first time on a turn", then it's the same as doing the movement on your own turn

Medix2

Not if it's "first time you enter on your turn"

RevanantBacon

Are there any that specify movement on your own turn? As far as I'm aware, they're all "first time on a turn"

Medix2

web

RevanantBacon

There are lots of spells, so I could have easily forgotten one

AH

Medix2

17:30

This is what I asked about it: "Can you escape from the Web or Moonbeam spells using readied movement?"

RevanantBacon

interesting though, that it does actually specify "your turn". So if you can move through the whole thing with your readied movement, you're good to go, although you'll need 45 speed to make it across since it's 20' and difficult terrain.

Medix2

Yeah, there's ways to do it and probably some other spell worded similarly somewhere but yeah... there's options to these things :(

Oh my gosh, so many questions today, wow

RevanantBacon

Yep

GcL

@Medix2 That's rather difficult to do in practice. The trigger for readied action has to be perceivable and specific enough that it doesn't trigger when you don't want it to.

For spells, it will greatly depend on how the table handles identifying spells as they are being cast.

RevanantBacon

@GcL I ready an action to move through the Web when [person who goes right before me in initiative] takes an action or moves

GcL

17:39

In my experience, it's only an issue in campaigns where counterspell is a used thing.

Thomas Markov

@GcL According to @NautArch theres no such thing as counterspell.

GcL

@RevanantBacon That's fine. They're smoking their entire action to quick step through difficult terrain, so they might not make it all the way through anyway. If a player wants to sacrifice their action... web has cost them more than if they had failed the dex save.

@RevanantBacon That can also be a problem if the situation changes in the intervening time, e.g. the other characters decide to retreat. In that case the readying character is charging in while everyone else is backing out.

RevanantBacon

@GcL I mean, you're not wrong. There's not really a good way to deal with Web that doesn't involve wasting a better resource than was used to create it,

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov Never heard of it.

RevanantBacon

@GcL You can always choose to forgo taking your readied action. Also, I probably should have just left it at "I move when [thing happens]" rather than specifying "through the Web"

but hey, it is what it is

SmokeDetector

17:45

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Medix2

@GcL You've misinterpreted what I stated, but oh well. Ah, it was clarified later, good

Cat of doom2

hello

NautArch

18:04

@KorvinStarmast The debate we're getting into under the question I think is offputting to new users. Happy to continue here or Dragons if you'd like, but when we open th ekimono to debate stack policies in main it likely sends bad messages.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch I think you are being overly narrow in your requirement. And yeah, we need to stop arguing in comments. Agree.

NautArch

But if we're moving into a new stack phase of "just put up your ideas without visible support", then you should probably meta that.

@KorvinStarmast But I don't think those are always-on in game options. Especially for easy no-cost blindness, those things do need to be supported.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch It lasts a round. What do you mean 'always on in game options'

To keep the lich from seeing the character has to keep making opposed checks, so their action economy is impacted

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast It lasts a round, and depending on the action economy, that can be huge.

An entire round of blindness at the cost of, checks note, nothing?

KorvinStarmast

And the lich has legendary actions that still hurt/harm the character trying to do this, and it can fail.

NautArch

18:12

Right, and now we're getting into why it's an important thing to support this idea.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Wrong. It costs the player their action. That is not no cost.

Thomas Markov

Your action is the most valuable resource you have on your turn.

Medix2

Enter: haste...

NautArch

Sure, but how this will actually play out is important as well. And all the possibilities and discussion of those based on experience is what I think these answers need.

GcL

Imposing status effects usually involves a class feature and more than expend an action. I think the battle master has a maneuver that does prone. Costs a hit and a superiority die and the investment in the class.

Blindness as a spell has a saving throw. Isn't there a flashbang type item?

Medix2

18:14

Well, the Battle Master manuever is in addition to damage

But eh, I'll stop here

NautArch

My point is that there are in-game mechanics for this. This is a new mechanic being recommended and it should be observed before being recommended.

GcL

I let my players do all sorts of improvised stuff with an foe after they have grappled them.

NautArch

And then there's the obvious mechanical problem of "if you can do this to them, they can do it to you"

GcL

Pin the caster down with a chair they're sitting on was my favorite. Although, grappling an L2 wizard wasn't exactly hard, it was a clever maneuver.

@NautArch Pocket sand.

NautArch

And minion actions are much cheaper.

RevanantBacon

18:19

@NautArch Well, they aren't supposed to be expensive, they're just minions after all

:p

GcL

@RevanantBacon They frequently end up filleted anyway.

NautArch

Oh, look! A commoner runs up toy ou and puts a bag on your head.

Someone_Evil

Roll initiative?

NautArch

@Someone_Evil disadvantage, you're blinded.

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NautArch

18:29

woof

G. Moylan

I'd make them grapple check first

or some kind of skill check. to do that smoothly will either require a great deal of swiftness and accuracy or brute force

NautArch

I generally find that when players want to do stuff like this they change their minds when I ask if I can start doing it to them.

G. Moylan

lol I don't ask, I just mention it ominously. They usually change their minds :P

RevanantBacon

@NautArch What, the DM would use my own tactic against me? Unfair! Rood! Imbalanced tactic!!!

NautArch

hahahaahaha

They usually don't think about the side of it.

RevanantBacon

18:32

I know, it's so funny to see it turned around on them too

G. Moylan

Ew, I just landed on a stack site that didnt' have custom fonts and it's surprisingly difficult to look at

Segoe sucks

RevanantBacon

@G.Moylan Not as hard as Comic Sans. Terrible to read.

Medix2

I feel like the internet has slowly made me just SO much more used to Comic Sans that reading it isn't hard, at all, especially when compared to some other fonts

RevanantBacon

Calibri, Cambria, or even TNR is preferable.

@Medix2 My understanding is that people with dyslexia have increased difficulty with it

Mithical

other way around

G. Moylan

18:39

@RevanantBacon Comic Sans and Papyrus are both riding the "severely overused, but at least unique" train. Segoe just looks like malnourished Helvetica

RevanantBacon

@Mithical they have decreased difficulty with CS?

Mithical

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Mar 6 '18 at 3:08, by Journeyman Geek

some dyslexics find comic sans easier to read

G. Moylan

@Medix2 It also has the tendency to make people reading it angry

RevanantBacon

@Mithical huh.

Mithical

(Because each letter is written distinctly and, say, d and b aren't straight-up mirror images AFAIK and AFAIR.)

Medix2

18:40

I use Courier New and OpenDyslexic for most all my fonts

G. Moylan

I actually quite like Calibri, but I know that's MS Office-specific

GcL

19:01

@G.Moylan This is roughly how I run those. Even before the attempt can be made, the foe needs to be grappled. Depending on what the subsequent improvised restraint is, might need more than one grappler.

Upper_Case

Wingdings forever. All other fonts are superfluous at best and actively bad at worst (because using them seems to impact ability to read Wingdings)

RevanantBacon

19:55

But windings doesn't support unicode elements AFAIK

Akixkisu

rpg.stackexchange.com/q/184968/44723 this is such an interesting question.

RevanantBacon

so no ™ or ☺

bobble

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Upper_Case

20:19

@RevanantBacon Those can be represented by arbitrary, inconvenient sequences of additional Wingding characters

The answer to any problem with Wingdings is nearly always "more Wingdings"

G. Moylan

@Upper_Case what about Webdings?

NautArch

@Upper_Case Wingdings are like jell-o. There's always room for wingdings.

G. Moylan

@NautArch it jiggles when you slap it?

NautArch

@G.Moylan That's between you and your jello.

G. Moylan

I cousin of mine could slurp jello between a gap in his teeth. He was SUPER proud of that when we were somewhere around 8 years old

Upper_Case

20:22

@G.Moylan I'll confess that I'm not as familiar with Webdings, but just from the name I'm tentatively onboard

G. Moylan

@Upper_Case It's like Wingdings if they had a Windows 8 Metro theme

Upper_Case

@G.Moylan So... it's Wingdings that people will hate even more? Maybe I need to update my favorite font...

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch a place where adv/disad can be applied, which the two early answers left out ...

.. the later answers are better

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast absotutely. Adv/Dis might be the thing here. I'm not sure i'd do it, but that's the way to do it.

Love @Upper_Case's answer.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch yeah, it is well done, and I didn't offer an answer since I had a few other things going on; never got the answer to my comment from the OP either. 😢

G. Moylan

20:32

Fun fact: if you delete the registry entry that defines the system font mappings (at least in windows 7, unsure about 10) the login screen would default to wingdings

@G.Moylan (DON'T do this unless you know what you're doing. It's VERY difficult to correct if you botch it and don't have the settings memorized already. Reading wingdings is hard, as it turns out.)

It may have been 10 we were doing this on, I can't remember. Too many years ago.

Upper_Case

@NautArch Aww, thanks! I was concerned about the length, I'm glad to hear it's not too much worse for it. And I'm very glad I cut other examples out; answers always look so much longer after I hit "post"

NautArch

@Upper_Case It covers a lot of bases about how to look at the issue and not just trying to 'solve' the issue.

I'm only holding out an upvote on @GcL until they add in their experience that they cited in here.

Upper_Case

I do like GcL's answer as well, though I appreciate holding out for the experience note

NautArch

@GcL C'mon. I know you like downvotes, and i'm happy to give you more, but adding in your experience would really be good for both your answer and others to see.

GcL

I did. "In order to attempt something improvised, I have found that requiring one or more characters to grapple or be involved is appropriate."

NautArch

20:43

The snark of "I solemnly swear i've done this" really isn't helpful and in fact is likely hurtful for those who don't understand our citation guidelines.

GcL

The subsequent discussion of the bit about coordinate even includes the justification for having a subsequent, albeit low, ability check.

@NautArch What harm do you presume the comment inflicts on those who don't understand our citation guidelines?

NautArch

I disagree. I think any support you have is hidden if it's there at all. Or just not clear. You don't really talk about how it went, what you think works and why , and what folks should look out for.

I think it contributes to more unsupported answers. When high-rep users don't follow guidelines, and low-rep users see that, it's an indication of what's acceptable. Further upvotes on those answers reinforces that.

But if you really dont want to put it in that's your call, I just think it would be helpful all around.

We can either show others how to be better so that we develop pearls, or we can promote sand.

GcL

@NautArch I prefer succinct answers. I find walls of text waxing on about uninteresting stuff from campaigns unrelated to detract from the tractability of an answer.

NautArch

I honestly don't understand why you are fighting to put in what you put in here, but i'll just downvote and move on.

GcL

I put in here a brief two sentence story about pinning an L2 wizard to the floor. And that it was one of my favorite recollections of the methodology of handling those situations.

G. Moylan

20:48

@GcL and two sentences constitutes a "wall of text waxing on about uninteresting stuff from campaigns unrelated"?

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GcL

Adding that "I particularly liked pinning an L2 wizard to the ground by putting a chair on them and sitting on it" doesn't add much on top of the extant "pinning to the ground" example already listed.

If anything, the reader might then get stopped with the question of "what wizard? and what chair?"

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@GcL "I once had a campaign where a player character wanted to pin someone to the ground with a chair. Here's how that situation played out and why I think it worked well or didn't." is not a difficult thing to add to an answer, but whatever

GcL

Difficult, no? But also doesn't add anything to the answer. It was a different situation that followed the same handling. Requiring a grapple and then some I found to be an entirely appropriate trade-off due to the risks of having to occupy hands and actions.

Why add additional paragraphs illustrating what has already been distilled?

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21:08

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bobble

did you read the answer?

AncientSwordRage

@bobble yes I did

Cat of doom2

hello

AncientSwordRage

The whole thing feels more appropriate for parenting if I'm honest

@Catofdoom2 'lo cat

bobble

It is a bit of an unusual question, but I don't think anyone has VTC'ed

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