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2:00 PM

@Medix2 I dont understand what youre saying. It makes total sense to me.

@ThomasMarkov He's mentioning that if any ray of light covered the whole cone, than no other ray could also (at least in my interpretation of what he said)

I can fully see people believing that all text, everywhere, all the time, is strict rules. I just don't think it makes sense to assume that when nearly every spell and ability has a sentence with no to little mechanical implications before being expounded upon in mechanical terms

yeah, I've never subscribed to the "no flavour text" interpretation of D&D; on the whole it is not written consistently enough for that lens to make sense

It says there are only eight rays. Yet creatures entirely far apart can be hit by the same ray. It also says there are eight colored rays and yet there are only 7 listed with the 8th being "hit by two rays"

@Carcer At least I'm not alone XD

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

@ThomasMarkov Also, AoAs that pull enemies closer are . . . interesting.

2:02 PM

8 multicolored rays. Each ray is multicolored, and there are 8 of them.

Not 8 rays each of a different color.

@Medix2 I actually agree with you in practice, but we have explicit mention that every line is relevant to the rules by the designers

@ThomasMarkov I prefer the other way, but I don't think it matters all that much.

@DavidCoffron it's a good job they never make mistakes

@DavidCoffron Well, yeah, but you've seen how Crawford tweets go

Touche xD

2:04 PM

Oh damn, it also says "Each ray is a different color and has a different power and purpose."

boom roasted

Fine, prismatic spray contradicts itself.

I wonder if the eight colour thing is a discworld joke

Non game thing: does anyone have experience with PyCharm?

Thomas:0, Medix: 1

2:05 PM

Maybe the rays can bounce between different creatures, like in a prism. Because they're prismatic rays.

I just have this feeling (whether justifiable or not) that some answerers address questions like this one by trying to make an argument that justifies their original interpretation of the rule, rather than recognizing that they may have missed something

I'm reminded of this question - my submission for most poorly written spell.

@Carcer I think its just supposed to be a rainbow, but we don't have a d7

@DavidCoffron but it says eight raaaaaays

besides, who wouldn't want to get hit by the octarine ray?

@Carcer the eighth ray is a special color that doesn't exist in our world, but in D&D its prismatic effect is "causes other colors' rays to teleport in such a way to hit you"

Actually! Maybe the rays of light spiral out from your hand @Medix2 . That would explain how creatures far apart can get hit.

2:11 PM

@DavidCoffron And avoid the ground because magic

@Medix2 Or just pass through the ground

@DavidCoffron Can't because targeting

Or... I suppose you could have then go through the ground and not target anything in the ground, hmmm

Even in that interpretation you still have the problem of what color is the eighth ray

And why it makes you get hit by two other rays

I prefer to think of the prismatic spray as looking like one of those laser displays they use at concerts/etc. trying way too hard

Also @ThomasMarkov If you wanna edit your SWS answers so I can change my votes, feel free XD

2:13 PM

Edit how?

Just in some way

> Why are you booing me? I'm right.

@ThomasMarkov If he was already locked in to a particular vote, he can't change it unless it is edited

Oh I gotcha

lol, I thought you were saying "if you change your answers to say the opposite Ill upvote them

@ThomasMarkov haha. Boom gotem

2:15 PM

Yeah, that. I certainly voted a bit hastily and really do need to keep in mind that disagreeing alone isn't, IMO, a meaningful reason to downvote

Imagine in an argument: "Listen I here what you are saying, and I'm perfectly happy to agree with you if you just change your position to match mine"

@DavidCoffron "I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong"

@Medix2 Hm. That's actually a good point. Maybe I need to reevaluate my downvoting. I often downvote just because I disagree, but really that seems petty in heinsight

removes downvotes at least on that question

I think that's a pseudo valid case.

1 person: "I think the rules say X"
another: "I disagree and will downvote that"

Ive downvoted the answers on the sws question because I don't think they adequately deal with the vanish phrase at all. They just seem to dismiss it with little to no commentary.

2:18 PM

Well, sometimes I disagree because I see what I would call a demonstrable faw in their reasoning (which I point out in a comment), but yeah... I beliebe I should avoid downvotes solely for disagreement.

@goodguy5 Yeah; but in some cases I recognize that it is just an interpretation thing. Now there are definitely some that I am happy to downvote if they are pulling from clearly faulty reasoning or something but that's its own matter.

Somewhat related, I love when I see a question and go "Why is this being asked, isn't it so clear?" and then two convincing, competing answers show up and I'm like "Oh, oh, well I'll be"

@Medix2 Yeah; that happens to me all the time

(sometimes I'm the one that posts both competing answers)

I'll be like "its obviously this". and then quickly realize that its not obvious at all when actually writing the answer

My answer about the humanoid minotaur was like that.

Even the initial evidence I gave that seemed totally obviously adequate wasnt really adequate.

Although why is this line in Tiger Guy's answer:

> You may think logically that popping up and swinging should give advantage, but what about how hard it is for the attacker? The defender pops up as quickly to you as you to them.

I'm pretty sure steel wind strike doesn't even make you pop up and swing

2:22 PM

I think the "popping up" is teleporting from creature to creature

I didnt really get that answer at all. "vanish doesnt imply you re unseen". Huh?

@Medix2 I edited my answers.

Oh also @ThomasMarkov The worst written spell is not compelled duel but secretly heat metal (now to dig for the Q on it)

@Medix2 Does the spell actually do that though? Like if there are glyphs of warding surrounding one of the targets do I trigger them?

Heat metal? No...dont do me like this

Please dont tell me theres something awful about it

@Medix2 Why? The "manufactored" part. It always seemed straight-forward to me

OH! He's talking about the light emitting question

Since it "glows red-hot"

(I think that was a question asked at some point)

2:26 PM

@Medix2 So how do you feel about this answer of mine?

@ThomasMarkov Found it

@Medix2 Oh my goodnesss

@DavidCoffron Yeah uh... I honestly have no idea how this spell (SWS) affects the caster XD

I dont get it

seems fine. but thats what I said abotu prismatic spray

@Medix2 In my interpretation the caster vanishes, turns into a magical force, which strikes the targets, and then the force either returns to the initial place or stops at the last target and the caster is returned to normal form. But that's not RAW.

2:29 PM

@ThomasMarkov Oh no, the "Do things that might make light but don't say that they do still make light" questions!

@Medix2 You love to see it! Or not, cuz its dark.

@DavidCoffron Wait the last target? Oh, you're saying whichever they choose to appear at is the last target?

@Medix2 When create bonfire came about, I had one of the biggest anger-moments against the rulebooks in a while up to that point.

@ThomasMarkov Just that the saving throw has a bunch of implementation methods. (See that answer listing four)

@Medix2 Oh yeah, even that's not explicit haha

2:31 PM

@DavidCoffron At least it's not one attack with multiple attack rolls... Well... Unless it is :(

Compelled duel is still worse IMO. Heat metal is ambiguous in how you implement what is clearly described.

Oh phew, you make an entirely separate attack not just a roll. Yay

With compelled duel, it isn't even clear what you do, much less how it is implemented.

That's entirely fair

I might go scream at the Eldritch Blast is one attack idea again...

That and the Damage Taken ≠ Damage Dealt stance

And Take an action ≠ Spend an action

My favorite: is a target ≠ is targeted

2:35 PM

I actually tried finding more conclusive evidence and just got confused on that...

All the spell redirection/reflection things just have really weird word choice

@Medix2 Oh you want to talk about redirection, look at the differences between warding bond, Shield Guardian, and Oath of the Crown paladin

In particular:

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Q: How does shield guardian damage get transferred along a chain?

Related to this question about the Shield Guardian's damage transferrance: If the guardian is within 60 feet of the amulet's wearer, half of any damage the wearer takes (rounded up) is transferred to the guardian. If a line of shield guardians each wear the amulet of the one next in line an...

dnd-5e monsters damage

@DavidCoffron And then Flail Snail, and those two random enemies with differently worded "Spell Deflection" traits

I believe I asked some sort of recursive shield guardian question at some point XD

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Q: How does the spell Warding Bond interact with a shield guardian?

I am wondering how warding bond interacts with a Shield Guardian, as they both lessen damage taken. In particular, what happens if the Shield Guardian casts warding bond on the person wearing the amulet, and what happens if the person wearing the amulet casts warding bond on the Shield Guardian? ...

dnd-5e spells damage damage-resistance constructs

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Q: Do you get advantage on the Steel Wind Strike spell's attacks because you "vanish"?

The spell steel wind strike (XGtE, p. 166) says that you: vanish to strike like the wind. (Emphasis added) At first glance you might read this as an inconsequential part of the description. But strictly speaking there is no flavour text in spell descriptions. Vanishing implies being unseen, whi...

dnd-5e spells advantage-and-disadvantage

@Medix2 Oh my. Factoring resistance in just makes it messier.

@HotRPGQuestions You're late xD

Another one that is a head-scratcher is resistance with polymorph or Wild Shape

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Q: How does resistance/vulnerability/immunity interact with carryover damage after reducing a Polymorphed (or Wild Shaped) form to 0 HP?

A caster casts polymorph on another creature. Let's say the polymorphed creature has 10 HP in its new form, but takes 30 piercing damage and its current form is reduced to 0 HP. This causes it to revert back to its original form, with 20 more piercing damage that would carry over. However, its or...

dnd-5e wild-shape polymorph damage-resistance vulnerability

That one recently got a Sage Advice mention, but that is only somewhat helpful (since it only addresses whether the new form has resistance, not if both do, or one does and the other doesn't)

@HotRPGQuestions Oh no, not HNQ

2:43 PM

Ugh, I don't think I like my answer to my question I just linked :(

@Medix2 Not gonna lie, too long, didnt read.

@Medix2 That's always a bad feeling, when you read an old answer and you're like "now I have to rewrite a new answer, because old me was wrong/not-good-at-writing, or whatever other reason

Whoa, all the answers are pretty long.

OH GOD NO

@Medix2 Your answer kind of reminds of the internet arguments about Order of Operations

Does the damage bounce between them until it rounds down to zero for one of them?

2:45 PM

@ThomasMarkov Shield Guardian rounds up

OH NO

The last section of Medix2's answer talks about infinite damage if you interpret things a certain way

Yeah, after reading that, I like my answer a bit more XD

You should be able to read old answers of your own and upvote or downvote them /s

Yeah the Wild Shape and Resistance questions are interesting. Learning that people think of damage taking/dealing in multiple fundamentally different ways

2:48 PM

@DavidCoffron Sounds like a great feature.

Just dont give it rep.

@ThomasMarkov Or maybe only allow downvotes on your old answers

I'm willing to pay 2 rep to tell my old self that he did a dumb

I still stand behind this answer.

On another note, I always feel bad when I change my mind on a recent answer if there are like a dozen upvotes.

has != adds

> Imagine a spell that says "For 1 hour, the target has 2 arms" and claiming that if cast on a normal person it would give them a total of 4 arms. That doesn't seem quite right to me!

Good comment

@ThomasMarkov That was one of my disagree downvotes, but now that you mention it.... hm....

2:53 PM

So what's the alternative wording?

"The item gains an additional +3 bonus"?

@ThomasMarkov well, it would be +2 arms right? since its +3 modiefier

That's why I agree with the other answer; the item has +3, but that's separate from the original +3

o/

As someone who did that stack, i like that stack :)

@NautArch +3 longbow, with +3 arrows, with oil of sharpness is very strong

Guys my daughter won the costume contest at the library. I am a proud dad.

what was her costume?

2:56 PM

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Q: Does magical ammunition stack with a magical weapon?

One of my players has a +1 shortbow, and recently found some +1 arrows. If he fires a +1 arrow from a +1 bow, will the bonus to attack and damage be +1, or +2?

dnd-5e magic-items

@Carcer She dressed up as Sofia the First

Although I wish there was more than just a tweet exchange as an answer there ^^

@DavidCoffron I had a +3 Glaive, with Oil of Sharpness and a potion of giant strength.

But I committed a lot of resources to that stack for that period of time.

@ThomasMarkov I had never heard of that before

and saved those items for a huge portion of a multiyear campaign so I could use them on the final BBEG fight.

2:57 PM

@DavidCoffron I got you, give me a minute

Okay, give me more than a minute. Gonna actually think about this lol

@ThomasMarkov That's awesome!!!

home made or bought?

@NautArch We got it at Ollie's (salvage merchandise outlet) for like $4

@ThomasMarkov Already added the Sage Advice Compendium to the old answer

@DavidCoffron Gosh darn it

Could you... Undo that?

@Medix2 If someone would rather add another answer, reverting would make sense

3:01 PM

I just don't think adding citations to somebody else's answer is... Okay to do?

Maybe it is, idk

@Medix2 Idk. I see your bounty, so I reverted

I'm always unclear as to the level of edits that are reasonable.

@Medix2 I've done it before (adding official rules sources to answers that lack them). Maybe it's been raised as a question in meta?

It's a pretty gray area.

As long as the author doesn't roll back, I think it's okay.

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Q: How should we handle adding citations to older questions and answers?

While I understand we've had guidelines on Meta to discuss how a user should handle their own citations, I think we should visit how and when we should edit Questions and Answers regarding citations. If adding citations to someone else's post as an edit, do we need to add to questions, answers,...

discussion questions answers editing citations

3:02 PM

^Don't trust that querent.

@NautArch Yeah; that one seems more about just adding links then what I did

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Q: When editing, how drastic is too drastic?

The question Is it ok to drastically edit another's answers? looks like a duplicate based on its title, but it's content is about editing things out of answers rather than the reverse. Recently I've been seeing some fairly large edits made to answers. I'm concerned that some of them might be a l...

discussion editing

Also, @DavidCoffron Where does the SAC Doc mention stacking those things?

@Medix2 Not those things in particular, but the quote from that tweet is almost verbatim on page 18 when it talks about bracers of defense and ring of protection

**Do the AC bonuses from a ring of protection and bracers of defense stack?**
Yes. In general, bonuses stack, unless they’re from the same spell (see “Combining Magical Effects” in the Player’s Handbook). You also can’t benefit from more than one ring of protection, for instance, since you can’t attune to more than one copy of an item at a time.

Anyway, I left a comment instead of the edit

3:09 PM

I still don't love the idea you can't stack the oil. It's a Very Rare item, the same as a +3 weapon. Except you can't use it more than once. Having it stack seems like the trade-off there.

@kviiri we played it in elementary school in the 60's, getting a piece of string and being amused for long periods of time was good fun, and it helped with working on finger dexterity ...

@NautArch I feel like most consumables are underwhelming tbh. Contrast amulet of health with potion of superior healing

@DavidCoffron Right, so we further underwhelm it on a ruling?

Ive always thought the rarities of healing potions were a tier too high.

@ThomasMarkov I mean they are half-cost in most situations, but even then (if you have two of the potions), it's still worse than the amulet of health after level 14, or after two days at level 7.

3:13 PM

Aaaand, now to wait an unknown amount of time before re-asking a question that doesn't have a system tag

@Medix2 just reask it lol

which question is this?

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A: How long should one wait before reposting a question that was closed per "don't guess the system"?

Ask if you're interested Back in the day, if we guessed a system wrong, it was usually because the question was genuinely interesting in another system. Then we'd repost the question we thought it was and the answers based on that system and the question for the OPs real system would also get an...

@goodguy5 displacement - 1/2*at*^2

one more reopen vote pls

I already did it

@ThomasMarkov The ceremony one. Though it's not a "problem" I'm having, now I just want it answered

3:19 PM

36*16= 576 feet in six seconds. Looks like they truncated it for simplicity's sake.

@Medix2 haha I have an answer written for it, but its locked away behind the closure.

Though @NautArch responding to your answer about the tapeworm. That only covers willingly doing so, it may perhaps be good to spell out that in either situation at least one of either the Druid or "the host" are willingly entering another's space and ending their turn there

@ThomasMarkov Same

@Medix2 How about I repost the question and you answer it

:p

I wonder how different our answers are XD

@Medix2 I'm not going to go into the rabbit hole of unwilling movement to game the system.

3:21 PM

@Medix2 I've ask-answered a question before that was closed because of now system. Can't remember which one though.

@Medix2 Dude, what's mine say? Sweet, what's mine say? Dude, what's mine say? Sweet, what's mine say?

@Medix2 I like how there are 5 comments asking for the tag.

They weren't even posted at the same time.

Yeah I was like "sheesh, what a help pile". And the edit the OP did make makes me wonder if they'll return

@Medix2 They came back next day and then didn't return.

@NautArch Yeah, which makes me wonder if they'll... Return? I'm confused

3:27 PM

@Medix2 my hunch s no, but it's also only 4 days ago.

Like, they already returned once, added some tags and then edited their question to be impressively short. Yeah I just gotta wait some unknown amount of time more before re-asking it

@DavidCoffron The eighth ray is force damage. 😁

@Medix2 i'd probably wait a couple weeks

@NautArch Do you remember the question I re-asked by chance? I can't remember how long I waited, it was like a year ago though. I remember either you or Moose mentioned it at the time

@NautArch These answers sure are something XD

3:30 PM

@DavidCoffron I am not convinced that anyone is swinging anything; it's a spell effect.

@Medix2 I have done it many times, and it is often appreciated by the answerer

@Medix2 Yeah, for me it's mostly about giving someone time to come back. NOt everyone is as local as us :)

I didn't realize I've asked over 100 questions, lol

@NautArch What is an Illithid Parasite?

@Medix2 i'm guessing intellect devouerer

@NautArch Could also be the illithid tadpole that is used to turn creatures into illithid-spawn

3:37 PM

whoops, 32 x 16 = 512, not 576. Fat Fingers Monday strikes again.

@DavidCoffron either way, specific mechanic overrides general rules with those.

and those aren't beasts, so don't have to worry about equivalence

@NautArch Yeah, same thing with the Slaad Tadpole injection thing for Red Slaadi

And what's that weird blood monster...

Debating about adding a self-answer on my blink question about hiding.

but i'm not sure you can. You'd need to hide prior to blinking out.

and i don't think you can?

or i guess it's up to a DM

Why couldn't you Hide before you vanish?

3:39 PM

@Medix2 THat's the can of worms on "can you hide whenever you want"

but not sure how you're hiding if you're just standing there.

You could Ready the action

Now I want Quickened Blink + Readied Hide action

@Medix2 depends, but yeah. I guess that works. as thinking more about a standard or bonus action.

On re-re-re-reading Cat's Cradle, I couldn't help but notice how neatly the first half of the book presents different viewpoints on science. Ethics of science is a topic that's so evident in the book it's hard to miss, but I love the little mini-treatises Vonnegut has there concerning more down-to-earth attitudes towards scientific progress as well.

@NautArch Where are the basic rules for hiding that are referenced in the Action?

> When you take the Hide action, you make a Dexterity (Stealth) check in an attempt to hide, following the rules for hiding

@DavidCoffron yeah, but whether you can hide is DM dependent, no?

I mean, I don't let my players hide whenever they want.

3:45 PM

My new favorite scene is probably where a bartender and a customer, neither a scientist, discuss a newspaper story that the secret of life has been found and try to remember what the reported secret was. "They found out something about protein," one of them remembers, and both are satisfied with the answer despite it saying pretty much nothing :D

there has to be something for to hide behind/with.

Oh it's in the "Using ability Scores" chapter; that's weird

In this side-bar

> The DM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding. When you try to hide, make a Dexterity (Stealth) check. Until you are discovered or you stop hiding, that check's total is contested by the Wisdom (Perception) check of any creature that actively searches for signs of your presence.

and

> You can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly, and you give away your position if you make noise, such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase. An invisible creature can always try to hide. Signs of its passage might still be noticed, and it does have to stay quiet.

@DavidCoffron All the side-bars are rather out-of-place in D&D Beyond, though ... They were in the books too :(

@Medix2 Yeah; One thing that bothers me a lot is that I have no way to reference page numbers if I'm using D&D Beyond

_
I have opened [this question](https://rpg.stackexchange.com/q/176831/41726) three times now not realizing its for a system I have no expertise on...

@DavidCoffron Yay. Multiline and syntax

3:52 PM

@Medix2 Why does it do that? Like from a programming stand-point what about multi-line makes it break?

Even if I have it in the first line it still breaks. i.e.:

There's a Meta on requesting that it works

**test**
test

They just never implemented it I guess

@Medix2 I just think its weird that the basic implementation wouldn't also affect multi-line messages

Like how you can't use italics in question titles

> The rest isn't going to happen. Doing full markdown parsing on long multiline messages can be costly and it opens up the path for trolls to be extra annoying. Chat isn't intended for posting long fully-formatted messages

> in the three or so years that I've been using chat, I haven't found lack of multiline markdown to be a major hindrance outside of being able to quote stuff which is now possible.

But you can have multiline quotes ... :(

3:55 PM

My oil of sharpness answer needs one vote for a necromancy right, it was there but got downvoted before the badge cycle.

Note that those quotes are from 2013, but still... No updates besides those

@ThomasMarkov What I've learned: Badges are weird and I'm not sure how to feel about the gamification

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But not quotes in multiline
> like this
test

> Something like this
> Or maybe this

Ah, that ^

@ThomasMarkov What's necromancy?

Answer score +5 more than 6 months after the question is asked

4:06 PM

Necromancer Badge: "Receive a score of five for an answer posted at least 60 days after the question it answers"

60 days, not 6 months lol

Hmph. I'm surprised I haven't accidentally gotten that.

Strangely enough its easier to get than the bronze revival badge

There are quite a few cases of the badge class being just wrong. Some of it, I'm told, it because they best-match the site they were originally created on

@ThomasMarkov That's just because this stack is very active, so questions don't last in unanswered very long (or if they do, they last a very long time)

4:08 PM

The loophole is to ask a question without a tag, and then add the tag days or months later

If someone wants the badge, answering this question well can get it for you.

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Q: How did the role of animal companions change between different editions of D&D, and which classes had access to them?

In D&D 3.5, druids had animal companions. In D&D 5e, only the Beast Master ranger subclass seems to get one. This made me wonder about the history of this feature in general. Which classes had access to animal companions in which editions of D&D, and how do their abilities differ?

dungeons-and-dragons animal-companions edition-comparison

It's definitely answereable, but just takes some research

I certainly think the hardest badges to get here are any review badges since a select few users take care of almost all of the review queues XD

Here's 171 questions

@Medix2 There are some that require very specific situations that don't show up often. Like the one that requires a question score be negative when you answer and result in a positive question score later.

@DavidCoffron And the one nobody will ever get "Unsung Hero"

Who is user 17995

4:13 PM

Idk, but "Apparently, this user prefers to keep an air of mystery about them."

They have 2 steward badges.

Is that one of the super-reviewers?

Yeah.

You should see the others

Here's Oblivious Sage

@Medix2 I personally don't like the way the review queue is set up to even want to do it often. Usually my response to many of the queues is to leave a comment (so I just hit skip and leave a comment)

4:16 PM

@DavidCoffron Yuuuup

6200 reviews is... astounding

Oh; I'm pretty close to the Legendary badge. Only need 28 more rep caps

But my activity has diminished considerably over time:

I apparently need 37

user image

I've probably been close for a year and a half

does anyone know what the "illithid tadpole" is actually called? I can't find it.

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Is there anything preventing a wizard from using a staff of healing?

The Staff of Healing has a lot of spells I wouldn't expect to see a wizard cast - Regenerate, Heal, etc, but I don't see anything in the rules on staves that precludes a wizard from using it. Is any staff usable by any caster?

magic-items wizard healing pathfinder-2e

4:19 PM

@NautArch The one from the forgotten realms wiki isn't in 5e; idk about past editions though

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Q: Do Illithid tadpoles have a specific name?

So Illithids trigger ceremorphosis by inserting a tadpole into a subdued creature (lovely), but do the tadpoles have a name other than tadpoles? As far as I can see my 5th edition books only use the word tadpoles, which makes me think they don't have a specific name, but I am curious in case anyo...

monsters dungeons-and-dragons lore terminology

@DavidCoffron That was a fun answer to research for.

@NautArch Its called a tadpole.

Oh! They finally changed how spoilers work!

@Medix2 It's very nice now

@ThomasMarkov that's the slaad, no?

@NautArch I read that as "salad" gosh darn it

4:21 PM

@NautArch See my answer to the linked question above

@ThomasMarkov okay, so there is no statted creature for it. It's just a mechanic/effect that is described.

@Medix2 Salad is the chaotic food, it's just entropy applied to ingredients

I guess puréed food would be even more chaotic though

or maybe in its uniformness, it becomes strangely lawful again?

@kviiri Interstingly, if some of the chaotic creatures like Orcus, for example, were successful in their missions; the universe would be pretty lawful looking (Orcus wants the only entities to be undead under his control)

Yep

@DavidCoffron Isn't Universalizability fun?

4:26 PM

The alignment axes, though... have their kinks. It's a thoroughly beaten horse :>

I mean, I think they overall have very few non-kinked bits.

@Medix2 I Kant answer that one. (forced pun is forced)

@kviiri don't kink shame

@NautArch yeah that's the problem with his statement, not the abuse of the poor horse

Wondering if I got downvoted for making carried creatures problematic.

Or is it beaten, as in an egg beater, for a nice tender horse burger

4:29 PM

@DavidCoffron David, we simply cannot be assuming the economic status of this horse

@NautArch :-)

@Medix2 :P

@NautArch You... did that? I didn't read that in there

@NautArch You got facepalmed by me (though not downvoted)

@DavidCoffron why facepalm?

4:30 PM

@NautArch Because ambiguous rules make me facepalm (not your fault; the rules' fault)

The real question (which has already been asked) is whether invisibility turns carried creatures invisible, letting them make infinite attacks with advantage XD

ah

I don't think mounting unwilling creatures in ambiguous?

I mean, there's an optional rule for it...kinda

i'll go add that in a bit after lunch

@NautArch When you return, I do want to know what meaning that sentence was meant to have. "I'll go add that in a bit - after lunch" or "I'll go add that in - a bit after lunch"

Ill go add that in a bit after. Lunch.

@KorvinStarmast I don't understand

4:39 PM

@goodguy5 Δx = ½at²

oh! got it.

thanks

he just typed out the formula rather than using "proper symbols"

I read it as "at" at first as well

that was my hangup as well

@NautArch I'm not sure about that specifically but I think I've earlier run into problems when too pedantically examining spells that specify features conditional on the target being "willing"

Turns out consent isn't actually defined anywhere in the PHB.

@kviiri Related question that was annoying for me to ponder:

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Q: Can you make an unwilling creature willing? In other words, what defines “willing”?

Going through the spells, I see the phrase "Willing creature" used to determine who you can cast some spells on. I don't ever see a proper definition of what a willing creature is, but I would assume that it would go something like if you asked them "Can I perform this spell on you" they would an...

4:42 PM

@DavidCoffron I feel like this question needs an adult

There's the whole question of unconscious creatures too...

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Q: Can unconscious characters be willing?

This situation came up last week during our session. The party was facing a pretty difficult mob of enemies and one of the party members was knocked unconscious. Seeing the situation worsening, one of the players decided to use the Rod of Security (DMG p. 197). In the text, it says: The rod t...

dnd-5e unconscious

Was just about to link that XD

@BESW One of my newest hobbies (circa 2019, iirc) is using "Angel Streeting" instead of "Gaslighting" and acting like it's normal.

@Medix2 Which I really wanted to leave this as an answer to:

Youtube:

4:44 PM

I personally would default to "friend/enemy" as the baseline, with conscious characters at very least having a veto if they specifically want a different outcome

> Unconscious people don't want tea

Wasn't that the question chain that led to the one about dimension door glyphs of warding? If so we've come full circle

@Medix2 why not both?

@NautArch And are we talking about a bit, as in a sketch. A bit of comedy in answers are always welcome

Oof. I used a bit another way to describe that pun...

5:11 PM

rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/176844/…

Feel like we've talked about this today

@ThomasMarkov it's going to be another "ask your DM".

it's undefined

@NautArch Yup

Although I know we have answers that take stances to avoid the rules exploding

@NautArch Yeah in those specific cases, it definitely is. In the case of a spell of the form "a creature that fails the saving throw takes damage" it will be the caster though imo

@DavidCoffron I was thinking of cases like a conjured creature does the killing.

We definitely have similar questions somewhere but... yeah it'll be a GM thing ultimately, unless there's some obscure rule nobodies found

5:24 PM

Here's the question but for 4e: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/21857/…

I so thought that question was gonna be another one of these questions: 1, 2, 3

Oh gosh, it's in the SAC Doc now? *gasp of joy*

SAC - Stuff Against Commonsense

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Where is it mentioned in the SAC

It's a mix of "Wait, that's how you're explaining that?" and "People... didn't know that?"

Aww, it's not super mentioned :(

I guess we just know that "The guardian vanishes when it has dealt a total of 60 damage." and that "damage dealt" is calculated after resistances and whatnot

Err.. maybe it does settle it

As usual, V2B is far ahead of me with commenting on answers to update to match new SAC Doc content

@Medix2 I think he genuinely checked every "new" entry there and searched the stack for questions, because he commented on two of my answers pretty soon after it came out.

(although he did miss one of my answers that I knew about related to one of them xD)

5:35 PM

@DavidCoffron Yeah, I've seen him do it before as well

I wish there was no SAC and that they'd just errata things that need it and let the community rule how they'd like.

"official ruling" seems...bad

Give us the rules, we'll make the rulings.

@NautArch I mean, I know plenty of people who disregard the SAC as much as they do the other SAC

@Medix2 other sac?

@NautArch The twitter SAC

oh. let's not call it that.

that's just confusing things.

5:39 PM

A lot of people do :( So I started using "SAC Document"

That's why I just call it tweets.

that's all they are, that's all it is.

@Medix2 Sac of tweets? /S

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