TRPG General Chat

Adeptus

00:13

@kviiri Yes! I used to have it. I played through it maybe twice, then traded it for something else. I think when I got it, it was already pretty old, as I remember the graphics being rather dated.

@NautArch I remember that too

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Does Armor of Agathys work for melee spell attacks?

Armor of Agathys (PHB 215) states: If a creature hits you with a melee attack while you have these hit points, the creature takes 5 cold damage. Since it doesn't specify that it has to be a weapon attack, does it also work for melee spell attacks? Specifically, would it work against Spirit...

Ben

02:08

@V2Blast Yeah my concern with that was that this "dark choice" was the active decision to shoot and kill an NPC. I don't think that sort of "violence" should really be advertised on the main site. While we do have a 14 (15?) plus user base, I don't really want to go into the details of it all

Especially because there's no guarantee all users are "of age"

Hot RPG Questions

03:31

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Q: Can a Shifter Druid use its racial Shifting feature in Wildshape?

The Shifter race from Eberron Rising from the Last War has the Shifting ability: Once per short rest as a bonus action, you can assume a more bestial appearance. This transformation lasts for 1 minute, until you die, or until you revert to your normal appearance as a bonus action. Druids ha...

dnd-5e druid wild-shape racial-traits shapeshifter

Powerdork

Hm. I don't like how there's only one close reason shown for a question regardless of how many close reasons were attached to the various votes.

Shalvenay

@Powerdork yeah, that's a known infelicity of the underlying platform. it's not the greatest, and I think there's a meta thread floating around about it already

Ben

04:44

Went to get lunch, got completely drenched in the process, now I'm back in the cool, dry AC

Let's hope I don;t catch a cold. Again. for the 3rd time this month. Lol

trogdor

05:37

That would definitely suck for sure

MikeQ

Catching 3 colds in 1 month is called a "hat trick"

Ben

badum-tss.gif

MikeQ

And if you catch 3 colds with the Mirror Shield, you can launch it back at Twinrova

trogdor

Lol

Hot RPG Questions

06:23

3

Q: How can you learn to wildshape into a Stench Kow?

In search of the elusive Stench Kow... In Volo's Guide to Monsters there is small appendix allocated to "Assorted Beasts", which includes the Cow and variants: Ox, Rothé and Stench Kow (VGtM, pp.207-208). In the description of the Stench Cow it says that they are native to the Lower Planes. ...

dnd-5e druid wild-shape

kviiri

@MikeQ Hat sick

BESW

06:43

Maharhar is surveying interest in audio media packs: "Would RPG people buy a media pack of recordings of people chanting spells, grunting as they take hits, and other voice work for their games?"

Ben

So I posted my question, after thinking about it a bit more and fleshing it out a bit. I don't think it will affect the feedback I got from the discussion last night, but it might be a worthwhile question, since it's not about the game, it's about the player to player interaction

V2Blast

@Ben Eh... I don't think that's a problem, as long as you avoid any, uh, graphic descriptions, and include a content warning at the start of the post if you feel it's necessary. But I don't think your example is really any worse than most of the stuff people ask about from RPGs (especially re: murderhobos).

Ben

Fair point

V2Blast

Up to you, of course :)

Ben

@trogdor I now smell like wet dog. XD

BESW

06:59

@Ben Doesn't a wet dog smell pretty much like a dry dog? Enthusiastically and with much invasion of personal space?

Ben

@BESW PRetty much, but you notice from 5 feet away, instead of up close.

kviiri

Dry dogs smell three times as much as ein dog.

MikeQ

Wet dog smells different due to a chemical reaction between water molecules and dog molecules

The -ine suffix of "canine" indicates that dogs are alkaline

trogdor

@BESW that's one of many things I unfortunately hate about dogs, they think they have the right to get up in all my buisness to smell stuff

XD

BESW

Hey, you're the one with all the inviting smells.

trogdor

07:13

I hate it though

it's not even my choice to be covered in cat fur man

MikeQ

You should tell cat fur man to mind your personal space

His cat fur powers are needed elsewhere

trogdor

lol

I would but cat fur man just really really likes me

like a lot

kviiri

07:38

@Adeptus Yeah, I had no particular love for the game either, except it had a sense of boldness that I appreciate in many old games

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

08:23

@TheOracle So, when is the deadline for the votes on this system tag policy question?

Carcer

@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I don't think we normally have voting deadlines on these things, we just kind of let them run until it looks like a consensus is reached

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

@Carcer I'm asking because in the days after the question was posted, it seemed as if a consensus was reached, with results radically different from what we have now.

V2Blast

08:44

True. Though initially there were no/few competing answers (and even KRyan's answer has changed/expanded substantially since it was initially posted)... Given those new answers and edits, and with more people seeing it and voting on it over time, it's interesting to see those trends change.

I'm interested to see the discussions continue and see how things play out.

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

Thus the question about deadlines, because it's possible to keep saying 'well, this is it, the stable state is reached' as well as to say 'things changed before, they will change again, wait some more'.

Carcer

@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica I think there is a minimum length of time to let the question run so that people can have the discussion about it and different views can be presented

BESW

Generally, based on my history with the site, it's premature to announce stability in a meta post's outcome until a week has gone by--partly because it's unreasonable to expect even active participants to check meta every single day, and we should give people time to reflect in order to make clear, thoughtful answers.

Carcer

like, at least a week, so you catch everyone with regular browsing patterns

jinx

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

Yeah, a minimum of a week seems reasonable, but I'm interested in how long it's considered long enough to be safe about treating the outcome as stable.

As in, the reasonable high end, not low end.

Carcer

08:50

you're right, it is subjective and an outcome that seems obviously stable to someone isn't necessarily actually stable

we should have a policy where we don't treat policy question results as consensus until the OP explicitly says they are

The Oracle

0

Q: Star Wars Lore: a Request for Explanation, and Either Migration or Reopening

I've had this question about sources for price benchmarks for typical items/services closed as off-topic. I would like to request either one of two actions, or an explanation of the logic behind what seems to me to be an inconsistent treatment of between similar questions. The inconsistency I s...

support specific-question on-topic migration

BESW

As for a "now it's settled," well, nothing's ever permanently settled with meta. But to consider a major policy outcome actionable on mainsite, I'd generally avoid a flat maximum and instead look for something flexible like, say, three days of no significant activity after the first week.

In practice, it's usually pretty clear when the community's said everything it's got to say, so long as we wait at least a week.

V2Blast

Yeah, I don't think it's likely to fluctuate as dramatically after more than a week or two.

AncientSwordRage

09:27

Ahoy everyone

I have been reading through sorcerer subclasses, and the Aberrant Mind (from UA) seems pretty wild

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Is there any way to increase rogue's sneak attack range to more than 30 ft for a warlock with rogue subclass?

In our new campaign, our DM allowed us to start at level 3 with two classes so I picked rogue/warlock even though I am going to pursue Warlock beyond level 3. As a level 3 rogue, I am getting sneak attack which gives a damage of 2D6. It works nicely with my Walk Unseen invocation. Only downside i...

dnd-3.5e warlock rogue sneak-attack

AncientSwordRage

Also thinking of how do stat various Magic the Gathering characters, which I think map better on to sorcerers than wizards

illustro

10:25

@KorvinStarmast Hit points are an abstraction for combat (their description is listed in the Damage and Healing portion of the Combat chapter of the PHB). The Damage and Healing section starts with "Injury and the risk of death are constant companions of those who explore fantasy gaming worlds. The thrust of a sword, a well-placed arros, or a blast of flame from a fireball spell all have the potential to damage; or even kill, the hardiest of creatures."

The actual description of Hit Points states they "[...] represent a combination of physical and mental durability, the will to live, and luck. Creatures with more hit points are more difficult to kill. Those with fewer hit points are more fragile"

An assassin plunging a knife into someone's neck while they sleep isn't combat. As a result, a lot of the abstraction that Hit Points are meant to represent aren't present (in particular, they aren't actively trying to prevent their opponent from hitting them in a particularly vulnerable area)

illustro

10:44

With surprise, the Assassinate feature gives the rogue an auto crit if they hit a surprised creature with an attack, they also have advantage on that creature if the general has a lower initiative roll than the assassin. However, they already have advantage on the strike because the general is sleeping

illustro

10:58

A sleeping general is an unconscious general

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

@illustro That can be generalised to all people in general, not just generals.

Akixkisu

Does anybody know if we have a meta about creating tags for specific monsters and creatures (such as the mimic)?

Sdjz

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Q: Burninate Mimic tag? Do specific monsters need specific tags?

This particular monster gets a tag, but does that mean every monster gets one? And then do we need to worry about editions/RPGs having different uses? When do we allow system wide monster/spell/ability tags and do we not? What's the decision making process here? Seems like we shouldn't have ta...

discussion tags burninate-request

Akixkisu

thanks.

illustro

@vicky_molokh-unsilenceMonica indeed, it is a general rule about sleeping that applies to even generals

kviiri

11:02

@illustro Combat does have situations where the target is not actively trying to not get hit, eg. when the target is unconscious or paralyzed, so I don't think this is exactly an intuitive interpretation

illustro

@kviiri in regular combat there are multiple participants, and the person doing the attacking is (usually) being harassed or distracted by the other combatants. At the very least the attacker needs to be aware of where everyone else is in combat.

Luck can easily factor into that scenario (the attacker doesn't quite hit the right place to land a killing blow because they were trying to dodge an incoming arrow from a ranger)

kviiri

@illustro Hm, fair point I guess.

Akixkisu

11:23

Is there a way to see what reviews in the review queues were skipped?

Sdjz

@Akixkisu Only the ones you skipped yourself, I believe, by going to the review history and then clicking on "my review history" at the bottom, then checking the "show skipped reviews" option (see this meta for details)

Akixkisu

@Sdjz thanks again, I was curious about how many other people skipped the Benchmark price question.

This rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/19279/ambient-sounds-not-music made it through my close vote, can I assume it unproblematic to bounty it to get up to date answers?

Sdjz

From that meta I couldn't exactly understand whether moderators can see skipped reviews for everyone but if they can, sharing "how many people skipped" may be ok

NautArch

11:57

@Akixkisu I just gave it one more close. Even though it wasn't off topic when it was asked, it is now and I don't think we should be bountying it

illustro

I've been wondering, given the large amount of D&D related material on this stack, to the chagrin of some of the stacks userbase, is it worthwhile (or even allowed) to suggest a stack specifically for D&D questions?

kviiri

I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed, but I think it's unlikely to happen

Carcer

@illustro you can suggest it but I don't see any realistic chance of it happening

it'd be like stack overflow deciding it needed a separate stack for java questions

or arqade spinning off a stack for Minecraft

Someone_Evil

You can, I don't think it will go anywhere though because we cover it fine, there isn't really a demonstrated problem and splitting up would probably leave the non-D&D stack with a dangerously low volume of questions

Akixkisu

@illustro not going to happen because the subject/idea is already covered on any of the current sites.

but you can do so in area 51

I suggest you read meta.stackexchange.com/questions/52066/…

illustro

12:10

I figured that would probably be the case. I think it'd be more like the ai.stackexchange.com being separate from Stack Overflow. A subset of programming, but with enough critical mass to sustain itself, and the ability to have a slightly different focus.

Akixkisu

It can happen, but your case would have to be extremely compelling.

illustro

@Akixkisu I've read that already, thanks though!

Really the thought came out of this meta Q&A (rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/a/9806/36850) and the stat that 65% of the questions asked here are about D&D

(specifically D&D 5e)

Carcer

the number goes up if you include prior editions and pathfinder, yes

BESW

Realistically, a non-D&D Stack for TRPGs would wither and die quite quickly.

kviiri

Yeah, I ran (or tried to) run some numbers way back and... yeah, what Carcer said. I think our most popular non-DnD systems aren't even in triple digits.

Okay, I correct myself: Savage Worlds has over three hundred questions.

(And at least at one point it was the #1 system tag after DnD)

Carcer

12:18

unfortunately it's simply a hobby with one very dominant system family

BESW

@kviiri fate-core has 229, dresden-files has 215...

Someone_Evil

We have 446 questions tagged with world-of-darkness

kviiri

Yeah, seems like WoD has surpassed it

Carcer

if you want to look at it in a more positive way, these other systems get some degree of exposure by being mixed in with this big pile of D&D

kviiri

Yeah, seems like WoD has surpassed it

Or then I misremembered, in general

BESW

12:20

(fate-accelerated has 79, and there's a handful of other Fate tags as well)

illustro

It's sort of like the difference between "Board and Card Games","Poker" and "Chess". Poker is clearly a subset of the card games and Chess is clearly a subset of Board games, yet both have their own stacks specific to them.

BESW

regarding separating out D&D as a separate stack, what would be the desired effect?

What problem is being solved?

Someone_Evil

I think the idea is to stop it drowing out the non-D&D systems being asked here

goodguy5

what about just the questions tagged fate? (306)

Carcer

yeah, it seems largely that the problem is users who don't like D&D getting frustrated that the site is overwhelming-majority D&D, but if all the D&D went somewhere else I don't imagine that there would actually be a sudden jump in volume of non-D&D questions

illustro

12:23

It would be twofold. The scope of a D&D specific stack could be expanded to include all things related to D&D (like the novels and CRPGs based on D&D), while also giving breathing room to non-D&D games to get the requisite air to flourish.

As a user I'm a 100% D&D focused RPGer (I don't have experience of any other RPGs due to a lack of availability in my local area)

Akixkisu

I don't think that your non-dnd rpg audience numbers are convincing.

goodguy5

I've never, personally, felt like the non D&D questions were missing out. There are just fewer people in the knowledge pool.

Of course, that's coming from someone who's mainly D&D/PF

kviiri

@illustro We actually do cover non-RPG DnD content too. Rarely, but still.

illustro

@kviiri non-RPG content like D&D based CRPGs (eg Baldur's Gate) are specifically off-topic here

Rubiksmoose

@BESW Or to put it more starkly in context, a D&D stack would almost certainly spell the death for what remains of RPG.se.

BESW

12:26

As someone who stopped playing D&D about six months after joining this site, and has been the first asker for many new systems here in the seven years since, rpg.se is so structurally ill-suited to the kinds of TRPG questions I have now that I don't even both trying to work them into the Stack format anymore.

illustro

@BESW what types of questions are those?

BESW

D&D is the lifeblood of the site and removing it wouldn't let other questions flourish, it'd just kill the remaining site with inactivity and extinguish our ability to ask non-D&D questions which DO easily fit the Stack model.

Rubiksmoose

^

goodguy5

huh, neat. this hideous link shows that there are about 15k questions of not dnd 3.5/4/5 (or just marked dungeons and dragons)

Someone_Evil

There might be better ways to put numbers on it, but I'm getting 8.5k non-D&D questions with this search which is abysmally low for almost 10 years

goodguy5

12:29

about a thousand more than that are dnd 5e

@Someone_Evil YOU CAN WILDCARD SEARCHES?!

BESW

@goodguy5 You can also wildcard filters, for which I am very grateful.

goodguy5

The site really was made by devs lol

Akixkisu

@Someone_Evil add closed: no and you get 7,167 results.

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 Asked over about 10 years (from public beta)

BESW

Rubiksmoose

12:32

oh dang, in August, RPG.se will turn 10!

Someone_Evil

I'm glad you fixed that, I thought I was having a moment

Rubiksmoose

illustro

Pathfinder (6,620)

BESW

Put it this way: of the 50 most recently active questions, five don't have any of the above tags. One of those is closed.

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil 20-10=20 [pre-tea brain]

illustro

12:35

dungeons-and-dragons (637)

dnd (23,331)

Someone_Evil

@illustro Your links are breaking, use the formatting

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil Use the formatting, Luke.

BESW

Jan 11 '17 at 23:02, by BESW

@Ahriman [text](http://example.com "mouseover text if you want it")

Akixkisu

Use the formatting to find out whether your Star Wars economy can be sourced.

I wish all Simulacrum questions and Magic Jar questions were just tagged respectively.

illustro

@BESW Apparently I'm too late to edit the links now

I did try though with the pathfinder one and it didn't work

Better now

NautArch

12:39

Another good thing with keeping d&d here is that those players are exposed to new systems.

illustro

@Rubiksmoose ta!

BESW

@illustro My concerns these days are more about stuff like running horror games without the influence of L*vecraft, or using Script Change on Discord, or running tables at cons that don't have comprehensive codes of conduct, or... anything about Sundown, I've given up even trying to talk about that in this chat because people get so weird about it, I'd hate to think about what kinds of responses I'd get in mainsite.

illustro

I was unaware that something like Script Change even existed!

BESW

You know, the stuff that can't be answered with clear objective analysis and page quotes. The stuff that RPG.SE has spent nearly a decade fighting tooth and nail to enforce Good Subjective/Bad Subjective policies so that those kinds of questions have even a chance here.

Akixkisu

The Simulacrum spell has about as many questions as the Wish spell (a little less than the Wish tag) which are all about the spell specifically.

illustro

12:43

@BESW The only way those types of questions will have a chance though are if they are asked

BESW

@illustro I recommend the TRPG Safety Toolkit!

Rubiksmoose

@illustro np :) I wish the link helper script worked in chat....

KorvinStarmast

@illustro yeah, that was part of the discussion on that General being asleep thing. I tend to agree with your point there.

@illustro yeah, thus an auto crit

goodguy5

My favorite app (game) just got a really minor, but really nice QoL change. You can donate cards to teammates, but you had to click the "donate 1" button every time. they added "donate max"!

illustro

@BESW ta, I shall take a look!

BESW

12:44

@illustro You're not very familiar with my record here, are you.

Rubiksmoose

@illustro It's so nice.

illustro

@BESW no, I'm not

Akixkisu

@BESW which is a shame because your mainsite questions about these topics tend to be great.

Rubiksmoose

BESW is a huge advocate for safety tools at RPG tables.

And has done a lot here to raise awareness for them.

I'm also a big proponent of them but I can't match BESW's eloquence of breadth of knowledge on the issue.

Anyways, I think that all tables would benefit from, at the very least, being aware these things exist.

illustro

The last campaign I ran I used this HazeZero's Session-0 Topic Checklist and Guide, and it worked out really well

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BESW

12:49

I was always happier answering questions than asking them. A good chunk of my mainsite rep here basically boils down to offering situation-specific actionable advice on the theme of "The friends you're playing with are more important than the game you're playing."

illustro

Enabled us to, up front, cover topics that we considered off-topic and things people were comfortable with

goodguy5

@illustro nice.

shh shhs shh.

Ash is here
(A joke, if not obvious)

BESW

But asking questions about, say, The Thousand Cousins or Balikbayan or Sundown, or the challenges of transposing support tools for neurotypical hugspace into a neutrodiverse group on Discord--or the kind of developer concerns I'm running into recently--well.

This site just isn't built for that, at a very structural level, even if its userbase had that expertise.

goodguy5

@BESW behind vpn firewall.

BESW

RPG.SE has semi-annual meltdowns about understanding and using very basic analytical lenses, for which there is at least two decades of very public mainstream discourse.

We nearly set things on fire over Fate Core, for h*cks sake.

And I'm not saying anything bad about any of the individuals involved.

goodguy5

12:58

semiannual to mean 2 years, or twice a year?

BESW

Deliberately chose one that can mean either. [grin]

Rubiksmoose

Thankfully, generally, many of our even more vehement disagreements site-wide are generally composed of well-intentioned people on all sides.

And not. say, people actively trying to harm things and burn the place down.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose passionate too

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose don't lump me in with them! I mean bad!

BESW

The Stack Exchange was designed for independently verifiable actionable solutions to specific problems that the developers judged to be morally and emotionally neutral. And then we tried to use that structure for everything from parenting advice to religious discussion to... putting ourselves in the emotional shoes of imaginary people and getting personally invested in their fictional lives.

Rubiksmoose

13:00

@goodguy5 user name does not check out XD

goodguy5

D:

Someone_Evil

@Rubiksmoose You choose the morality to your pseudonym to be the opposite of yours. Otherwise they wouldn't trust you

Carcer

@BESW but, and this is crucial here, look at how many internet points I have

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose if you see badguy5 floating around, that's also me. (my backup when gg5 is taken)

Carcer

oh no I looked at how many internet points I have and now that's caused me a personal conundrum

goodguy5

13:03

I was actually just talking about that with my wife.

It's a good thing facebook doesn't track your overall reactions so you can keep track of your internet points.

Someone_Evil

@Carcer How to earn 2 rep?

@goodguy5 Don't give them ideas

Carcer

@Someone_Evil the problem is that I know how to earn 2 rep, but I'm unhappy about the only means I have available to do so

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil go back and remove a couple of down votes?

Carcer

@KorvinStarmast oh.

that'd work

goodguy5

Instagram followers is already a weird e-peen people use.

I can't imagine what people would be like with that sort of facebook tracking

KorvinStarmast

13:06

@Carcer problem solved? :)

BESW

For a while I had a low-key goal of using my rep going over 50k as a trigger to set some bounties.

KorvinStarmast

@Carcer FWIW, I think that if you down vote a question, and it then gets deleted, that the rep you spent to down vote is returned. (Not sure if I remember that correctly)

@BESW I need to set more bounties, thanks for reminding me.

goodguy5

@Carcer I just need to find something to upvote you for

Carcer

@KorvinStarmast yeah you do get the rep back for downvotes on posts that get deleted

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil Accept an answer maybe?

goodguy5

13:11

@Carcer I actually found a question I found interesting and instinctively updooted it. If you'd like, I can undo it, lol

Carcer

@goodguy5 you monster!

nah, I'll live.

@Rubiksmoose that was my first thought but I only have one question without an accepted answer and I didn't want to revisit it

Rubiksmoose

@Carcer That's fair lol

Someone_Evil

@Carcer Does this make it better?

Carcer

13:26

@Someone_Evil I shall print it out and stick it to my fridge

but only after pointing out it would probably have been easier to just edit the html in your browser

Someone_Evil

@Carcer I don't want to learn enough html to do bad photo editing it in

Carcer

@Someone_Evil it's very easy

Rubiksmoose

13:46

@KorvinStarmast Very :)

NautArch

o/

illustro

@BESW Yes, SE isn't the best place for every topic, but then again, neither is the internet. Text based mediums lose a lot of the social context and cues we as humans rely on during face-to-face discourse (or even in audio based discourse)

I mean, fundamentally, SE is very much like a more limited reddit, with primary replies being answers here and secondary replies being relegated to comments

So it cuts back the back and forth you get from a "regular" conversation even further than other text based mediums (like forums)

Carcer

@illustro I'd argue you can no longer consider the internet a primarily text-based medium

BESW

The kinds of problems I encounter these days tend to require conversations in order to address, and the Stack is specifically designed to discourage and obstruct dialogue.

Carcer

or perhaps still primarily but not overwhelmingly

there's too much video on it now.

illustro

13:52

@Carcer I agree, there is a significant amount of non-text based content (ie Youtube), but conversations on the internet between large groups of people are still text based

Carcer

(I despair, as someone who would usually much rather read an article than watch a video of someone telling me the same thing.)

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BESW

So generalizing it to "Internet awkward" doesn't really fly. I've got much more help with my problems on RPGSEA Discord servers because they're (a) designed for dialogue and (b) populated by people who already share my context so I don't constantly have to start over explaining things like the baggage of orcing.

illustro

we've subsumed some image based communication into the text based discourse to try and enhance/replace the non-verbal cues that we've lost

but it's still text based

@BESW This is my point specifically about SE, it's attempted to remove the conversational element to communication that other sites (like reddit or discord) still have

The communication between non-connected people on the internet is more awkward and prone to misunderstandings than in person communications (because the non-verbal element is removed)

Communication on SE is further limited because we don't allow conversations to occur on an answer

RPG.SE is particularly militant on the enforcing of "comments are not for discussion" angle of SE

BESW

The Stack has raised user fungibility to an art form and that makes many problems epistemologically incompatible.

illustro

indeed

nitsua60

14:01

@BESW It has obvious drawbacks, I agree. I'm also curious what takeaway we can glean from the fact that it does those other things with any level of success. (I'm off for the day, just spitballing for a sec.)

BESW

You asked what kinds of questions are ill-suited to this space and I've answered. Your response is that I should do it anyway to give them a chance and also agreeing with me that the Stack is ill-suited to them. And now some tangent about "militant" comment curation, which has well-documented reasons on RPG.SE related to the kinds of argumentative and abusive behaviours that frequently get imported by users from other RPG spaces.

At this point I don't know what you're hoping to achieve from the conversation; I was offering my own insight into the kinds of struggles that a non-D&D TRPG.SE would face, because one of the reasons we're so D&D-heavy isn't just that it's a dominant franchise but because it's the franchise most compatible with the Stack infrastructure.

Carcer

I'm not sure there is an objective here, it strikes me as rambling freeform atm

NautArch

Everyone take a breath. This is obviously a contentious subject, but we can keep ourselves level. I'm close to moving this to NAB, but I think it's relevant as it stands right now.

illustro

I feel I should clarify. My comments about the militant enforcing of moving comments to chat isn't meant to be derogatory, it was more an observation.

I'm agreeing with you that questions requiring conversation aren't a good fit, but you mentioned questions that need Good Subjective/Bad Subjective don't and haven't worked here (with an implication I'm reading into the posit you are giving those those types of questions require or necessitate conversation)

@NautArch If I'm coming across as frustrated, or combatory, that isn't my intent here

NautArch

@illustro Not directed solely at you, but everyone. This is a touchy subject and just want us to be able to discuss with open minds and hearts.

KorvinStarmast

14:08

@illustro Thank goodness. Otherwise, it would just be one more noisy internet site.

illustro

I have a communication style that is direct, and can (particularly in a text based medium) be taken as combative, when that isn't the intention.

NautArch

Thank you for clarifying @illustro. I'm coming in kind of late, but doing my best to keep this even. I'm starting to think this may actually be better in NAB (which is perfectly fine!)

illustro

@BESW I did appreciate and enjoy the conversation from earlier, and your contributions to it. Thanks!

To a certain extent I'd moved, without realising, onto a tangent conversation about how the internet isn't a particularly good conversational medium

NautArch

I've clearly been on the side of good/bad subjective being difficult. But I also see it's import and how helpful we can be here.

Rubiksmoose

@illustro I think part of the issue is that militant can be seen as a fairly loaded word. Thanks for clarifying your intent though.

NautArch

14:12

But good subjective and supporting those answers has always been a hot-button topic here.

Rubiksmoose

I think comment curation is actually one of the greatest strengths of this stack as far as working within the system that SE is offering and optimising for that. This is not the same as optimising for community though.

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NautArch

And I've flip-flopped on which side I fall on.

kviiri

@Rubiksmoose Seconded. It's not an objectively good thing but it's good for the site's purpose.

Rubiksmoose

@kviiri Yeah it's a complicated issue. Complicated in large part because SE designed comments with the foolish notion that people would not try to use them to chat and bond (and argue and insult), which is what people are inclined to do when given anything with a text box.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose yes, I feel that way as well and when I am on a couple of other stacks, I notice how indisciplined those communities are.

Rubiksmoose

14:16

@kviiri And because, as you mention, it depends on what your goal is.

illustro

@Rubiksmoose true, and I should probably have been more careful in using it (particularly given the fact I'm been born and bred in Ireland). Though being from Ireland has also instilled me with a certain sense of irreverence for the seriousness of particular words when used in face-to-face conversation, and thats bled over into how I choose my words in text based conversations (where the non-verbal contextual information to my words is missing...like tone)

Sir Cinnamon

RPG fans are experts at following the rules and optimizing for them obviously

Rubiksmoose

@illustro We also have a history of somewhat contentious debate about the issue in the past. Though largely site norms seem to have normalised around what you see now.

@SirCinnamon XD I mean... you're not wrong. Or at least knowing the rules enough to know how and when to break them.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Primary missions is high signal to noise ration with an implied mission essential task of creating a large enough community of expert answerers that the site is returned to again and again. (Original goals). What is being looked at now, and maybe what the transition is, seems to be"building a community" with fewer modifiers to that concept. And as ever, change can create a bumpy ride.

RevenantBacon

@SirCinnamon Testify!

illustro

14:19

@nitsua60 certain stacks seem to have objectively failed at doing so. For example, the Finance and money stack, when I've engaged with it, seems to be nothing more than a soapbox for people to spout their opinion on the question without any real recourse to solving the problem posed by the querant

Sir Cinnamon

@Rubiksmoose I'm gonna homebrew my own stack, where you cant use the letter H

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon 'omebrew away friendo

;)

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon some are, indeed. And I just now noticed that you don't need an H to spell Cinnamon. Coincidence? I think not.

BESW

@illustro Thank you, and thanks for your clarifications. Sorry for being brusque. I'm tired and cranky and should have known better than to dig into these subjects now.

Sir Cinnamon

@KorvinStarmast :smug:

illustro

14:20

@BESW :thumbsup:

Sir Cinnamon

Emoji support when

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon :coffeemug:

(I have no idea what an smug is, TBH) :)

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon 🤷‍♀️

@KorvinStarmast I'm pretty sure it is a dragon ;-)

Sir Cinnamon

@Rubiksmoose booooooo

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Uh, is it hungry?

NautArch

14:21

@KorvinStarmast it's when you get frustrated with smog enough to say Ugh.

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon No, that's a ghost

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Oh dear, I just got that

Sir Cinnamon

😏 something like this

illustro

Where can I find the emoji?

Someone_Evil

@KorvinStarmast You're thinking of caterpillars

KorvinStarmast

14:22

@Someone_Evil Actually, when I typed hungry I immediately thought Hippo.

Both of my kids and I spent some time playing that fun game.

Rubiksmoose

Hippopillars

(D&D monster anyone?)

Carcer

hungy hungy hipotle

illustro

@Rubiksmoose Giff mounts clearly

KorvinStarmast

I just noticed that Hungry Hippo is a Hasbro Game. D&D is also a Hasbro game. Are hippos dragons in disguise? We should be told.

Someone_Evil

@illustro Chat supports unicode (browsers may not) so find the emoji elsewhere and copy/paste it in (or learn the code value and how to input it)

@Rubiksmoose Because what we need was for one of the most violent and dangerous animals to be longer

Rubiksmoose

14:24

On windows 7/10 you can press windowskey+. to get emoji.

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@Someone_Evil Just wait until it pupates and gets wings...

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose although if you're still on 7...you shouldn't be.

illustro

@Someone_Evil Why thank you 🧙

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast We must learn the truth!

Xirema

@KorvinStarmast Scholars remain divided.

illustro

@Rubiksmoose Sigh...I used that shortcut and my screen exploded to 200% magnification

RevenantBacon

14:27

Anyone else think we should close this question? It seems that the AL rules have been changed, and this question no longer applies. rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/125309/…

Sir Cinnamon

@illustro WinKey and Period he meant I think

KorvinStarmast

😊😂👍😎💖

Someone_Evil

@RevenantBacon No reason to close it. The new answer covers the current state perfectly

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon indeed lol

@illustro All the better to see all these emoji!

Carcer

if I say "Alt+F4 to see emoji" will I get in trouble

Sir Cinnamon

14:29

Emoji 13.0 looks promising. many new emogies

Someone_Evil

@SirCinnamon It's Unicode 13.0 and unicode contains more than just emoji

illustro

@SirCinnamon I missed the . in the sentence...and thus naively did "Windows +"

"Windows ." works as expected

@Carcer 👹👹

Sir Cinnamon

@Someone_Evil Ehhh, its a one way dependency

Unicode 13 is coming and has the code points reserved for Emoji 13.0, but Emoji 13 wont be released at the same time

historically anyway

Carcer

this emoji stuff does not look good on my current viewing setup

I can read text fine but the graphics are way too small to be able to interpret

illustro

Well...apparently that red horned face thing I used is the emoji for ogre

Rubiksmoose

14:33

@illustro I believe it is supposed to be a Japanese oni

illustro

@Rubiksmoose Or orge

Sir Cinnamon

"Depicts an oni, a kind of hideous ogre in Japanese folklore."

Someone_Evil

Emoji were originally designed for Japanese phones so a number of symbols don't line up with our expectation (although this is getting muddier with additions and redesigns). Triumph (😤) is the most common example

illustro

Goblin is similarly different to my expectations

Sir Cinnamon

@Someone_Evil The history of the "Yellow Heart" vs the "Hairy Heart" is my favourite example of that

illustro

14:36

@Someone_Evil Yep! (youtube.com/watch?v=5OPkGQoPeHk)

Rubiksmoose

emojipedia.org/love-hotel (not super duper SFW)

My favorite emoji fact:

> Originally meaning pictograph, the word emoji comes from Japanese e (絵, "picture") + moji (文字, "character"); the resemblance to the English words emotion and emoticon is purely coincidental.[3]

I learned this in Japanese class and was shocked.

@Someone_Evil @SirCinnamon whoa I've never heard those particular examples before.

Sir Cinnamon

@Rubiksmoose I loved the google emoji blobs, I miss them

Carcer

@Rubiksmoose doubt it would've taken off in english usage without the similarity though

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon Same :(

@Carcer Quite possible.

xdtTransform

15:11

Are question about 1rst time Dm welcom here? do we have cannonical ressource for those?

I have wrote my stand alone Deadland campagin and want to DM it. The catch is.. I already leave twice due to panic attack.

NautArch

@xdtTransform Absolutely! Are you asking about putting a question on mainsite or asking in here?

xdtTransform

Main site.

NautArch

@xdtTransform System may be important to possible answers, so please tell us what game you're playing in the question. Otherwise, just give us as much as detail as possible and that you're comfortable with.

Additionally, describing the issue and the hoped for resolution would also help.

AncientSwordRage

@xdtTransform It doesn't look (I had a very quick look) like there are any similar questions.

You may benefit from also looking at interpersonal.stackexchange.com

Akixkisu

@xdtTransform use the new-gm tag

RandomDudeWithAKnife

15:16

We just finished session 1 of out of the abyss!

Akixkisu

@xdtTransform (though only if that you are a new-gm is relevant to the question, if it is irrelevant to the question itself, merely providing context, then omit the tag and ask as regular :))

AncientSwordRage

@xdtTransform this is about autism, but it feels like it might contain good advise: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/17484/…

RandomDudeWithAKnife

The DM killed Stool... :(

R.I.P Stool

And a new player joined

They are playing a... CN Skelton Cleric

CollinB

Random statement of the day:

The brain named itself

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RandomDudeWithAKnife

@CollinB yet someone else's brain named you :)

xdtTransform

15:23

@AncientSwordRage, I good link i will be reading it.

RandomDudeWithAKnife

Don't ask who Joe isn't :)

RevenantBacon

Opinion question time: how do all y'all feel about Combat Stamina from Pathfinder Unchained?

Someone_Evil

I don't speak pathfinder, but I'm not inclined towards increasing the amount of bookkeeping during combat in general

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