TRPG General Chat

trogdor

00:00

They went to the crashed ship immediately and TASed all over it and didn't need the tech

Kinda destroyed the enjoyment of the speedrun overall

So maybe WIZ 8 is a better choice

BESW

Wiz 8 is almost always the superior choice. ....What are we talking about?

trogdor

Watching a speedrun of a game you've played before

Especially older games

And or ones you played as a kid

And that Star Control II one was extremely disappointing

And mini was talking earlier about a Wiz 8 speedrun

Or possibly multiple

It's quite possible that Star Control II is just an extremely poor choice for me to watch speedruns of

BESW

there are two on Speedrun.com, an hour ten and an hour thirty.

trogdor

If only I could watch them right now :P

BESW

Watched the first four minutes of the fastest one. Faerie Mage, Dracon Fighter, everyone else is an Elf Alchemist, and there's a LOT of running.

The fighter's con means they can just outrun any fight that's not strictly necessary.

trogdor

00:10

Lol

BESW

Weirdly they don't seem to be using the hotkeys very much. That'd probably reduce combat time even further.

trogdor

I'm a little surprised you can speedrun it

Because the endgame had some pretty hard seemingly necessary fights

But maybe those scale to level

BESW

Yeah, they're probably using the level-locking exploit: for most zones, all its fight difficulties are locked to the level you were at the first time you enter it.

trogdor

That's kinda weird too

Because I definitely ran into fights that were way too strong for me

You would think that would mean those didn't happen

BESW

Also, fun combat exploit: if you start combat rather than waiting for the enemies to engage, and you get to move first every round, and you always end your movement in a position where the enemies wouldn't engage if you weren't already in combat (like hidden behind a rock), you can disengage from combat at any time because the enemies never actually notice you despite you walking right past them.

So if you've got the right hiding places, you can run through big encounters and not even get chased.

trogdor

00:17

Wow

Wish I knew that in the Rapax fort

Or the camp

Or anything to do with those ridiculous jerks

Not every fight with them was difficult but all of them took too long

BESW

"Was that a six-headed ball of flesh brandishing improbable weapons?"
"It was probably just a shadow."
"Oh, okay then."

trogdor

"Wait ! I saw it again, it has 8 now and one is completely robotic!"

"Dude you need to lay off those mushrooms"

Somehow the multibear being the sneakiest creature in the universe fills me with ridiculous joy

V2Blast

an animation made by someone that shared it on the /r/dndnext server:

Brendan Serenades the Burgomaster

►

Shalvenay

lulwut :P

trogdor

Lol

Joshua

00:31

We decided a nasty trap, but it lead to a difficult question I hesitate to post as a question. What happens if you put a bag of holding inside itself?

Shalvenay

@Joshua you get a giant illusory modal error dialog saying "Physics Says No"?

Mark Wells

How's that different from turning it inside out?

Joshua

lol

It's nothing like turning it inside out.

It's clearly possible because of RaT and a long spell sequence

The bag is inside itself in possession of the caster of planeshift who is also inside it

Shalvenay

@Joshua so you plane shift'ed to the inside of your own Bag of Holding....

@Joshua RaT?

Mark Wells

Then you've put a Bag of Holding inside a Bag of Holding, yes?

@Shalvenay Also, yes, RaT?

Joshua

00:37

A Jeremie tweet. You can create a permanent teleportation circle on the deck of a ship.

Mark Wells

That's debatable. The spell says it has to be on the ground.

Joshua

See rpg.stackexchange.com/q/103173/22420

The trap involved if you do this with another BoH you get dumped onto the astral plane.

s/with/while holding

Mark Wells

But sure, for the sake of argument assume you can put a teleportation circle on a ship.

Joshua

Ship in a bottle that ship, put bottle in BoH, true polymorph into pixie, planeshift to that teleportation circle

If a druid could use a scroll while wildshaped it can be done at a lower level

Mark Wells

That's supposed to be a trap? Surely if you can both True Polymorph and Plane Shift someone, there are easier ways to mess with them.

Joshua

00:50

The trap involved convincing the character to cast the spells to get some booty.

Shalvenay

@MarkWells I think that the "has to be on the ground" interpretation is kinda nonsense myself

then again, the only attempt at a justification for it is "ships aren't big enough to house a teleportation circle", which I can tell you is flat-out wrong, especially if you ever tried arguing that in a d20 Modern game ;P

Joshua

If your d20 modern game results in the players using nukes you're doing it right.

Mark Wells

@Shalvenay I'd probably rule that putting it on a ship is allowed, but if I did it by making the argument that's in that answer, I'd hope everyone else at the table would throw dice at my head.

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Joshua

00:58

Oh nice

Shalvenay

err, *attempt for a justification for it that I had heard

left out a few words

V2Blast

@MarkWells lol

nitsua60

@Akixkisu what do you mean by "ALEE 11" in this answer? It's not an acronym I'm familiar with.

BESW

@nitsua60 I'm guessing page eleven of Adventurers League Elemental Evil.

linksassin

@Ben Because the cheapest way to cut IT costs is to cut the IT departments budget.

Can't take it from the people that actually make the company money.

Ben

01:12

Haha. Logical :P

Shalvenay

hey there @linksassin

linksassin

@Ben My company moved Level 1 tech support overseas to "save money" but now when my computer plays up I have to wait 4 hours for them to come online. 4 hours of an engineers time would cover a weeks wages for low level techs in lost productivity.

@Shalvenay G'day. How's it going?

Shalvenay

@linksassin wow. 4 hours? that's disastrous!

@linksassin alright here, as for you?

(at my $work, 10mins wait for first line IT support is a relatively long wait)

Ben

@linksassin I am the support team for the American company I re-sell for, to ensure they have phone assistance. Otherwise it's a next-day-response situation.

linksassin

@Shalvenay Yeah, I don't think it was a good decision. The also charge so much for server storage it's cheaper for us to buy hard-drives and put them in PCs under our desks and maintain them ourselves.

@Shalvenay Yeah not too bad.

Shalvenay

01:18

(we're also odd in that $work couldn't run without the ability to run a functioning call center in-house, so we basically do all our call-center-y stuff in house, which is a Real Good Thing because I doubt outsourced call center agents would be up for what basically is a 911/000/... dispatching job)

Glazius

Hey all. Sorry if I've been a bit quiet. Power supply in the old desktop died over the weekend, but I'd been saving up since it was 7 years and it was a little flaky all told. New machine's up and looking nice.

Shalvenay

@Glazius cool, good to hear you're back up and running

Glazius

Have not seen anything about a third for a Fellowship demo this Saturday morning, though.

Shalvenay

@Glazius yeah, I am still trying to get in touch with one or two folks I know who might be interested

btw @linksassin, mind hopping on Discord? want to ask you for some feedback on smth here

linksassin

Lol, so someone on another SE site just had a go at me for asking them to back up a one sentence answer.

Shalvenay

01:25

@linksassin lulz

linksassin

@Shalvenay I can't at the moment. At work. Feel free to send me stuff and I'll reply when I can.

Shalvenay

@linksassin ah, I see. I'll catch you over the weekend then I reckon

linksassin

@Shalvenay Sure. I'm sure I'll find some time to be online.

Glazius

@linksassin Well, you know, sometimes it's just like smbc-comics.com/comic/game

linksassin

@Glazius Lol, maybe. But their answer was basically just one point of the existing answers. With no additional information or support.

nitsua60

01:29

@BESW I've usually seen references to "EEPC" ("Elemental Evil Player's Companion" was the name of the pdf released that season) in that case.

linksassin

Lol they removed it once I cited the site policy.

nitsua60

01:52

@linksassin I feel like I'm stepping on your toes in that current newest question--I'm going to bow out. Feel free to ping me if you need anything.

linksassin

@nitsua60 No stress. Thanks for closing the question. If you have any advice on how to help this user I appreciate it.

nitsua60

Honestly, I think they'd be best off starting in chat for half an hour. There's a lot to unpack, and comments aren't great for it. Do you want me to chatify the current thread, which would give the user write-access? (They currently can't chat here, but by default can on a thread created from their own post.)

linksassin

@nitsua60 Probably a good idea.

V2Blast

02:19

how's everyone doing this evening?

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 my efforts to join into RPGA activities ran afoul of my commitments to various duty station changes in the 80's. And deployments at sea. By the late 80's, graduate degree pursuit took up my free time. I suspect mxy has better data on that.

Ben

@V2Blast This evening coming? Or the one that's just been?

V2Blast

@Ben It's evening right now for me :P

Night is still evening

Ben

Midday here haha

linksassin

I'm having trouble thinking of a way this new user's question can fit our site. If anyone wants to help you can join the chat here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/96285/…

nitsua60

02:22

@KorvinStarmast My early efforts to join into RPGA activities ran afoul of my mom not wanting me to bike back from New Haven at night. Or in the day. =)

Shalvenay

hey there btw @KorvinStarmast, check The Back Room :)

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 heh, when I lived in that part of Ct, I'd not have had my kids biking near New Haven either. :p (late 90's though) and Heaven forbid, Bridgeport ...

nitsua60

Oh, John Paul Stevens died. He always seemed very kindly and thoughtful.

Shalvenay

02:42

hey there @BlackSpike

V2Blast

@KorvinStarmast Heh, I was born and raised for the first 10 years of my life in CT :)

nitsua60

@V2Blast Whereabouts?

(County?)

Black Spike

@Shalvenay hey

Shalvenay

@BlackSpike how're things going?

Black Spike

@Shalvenay could be better ... I'm doing ok, but people around me are having a rough time ...

Shalvenay

02:52

@BlackSpike ooof

Black Spike

@Shalvenay hows you doing?

Shalvenay

alright here

Black Spike

:)

Ben

Shalvenay

that's like, balmy? :P

Ben

02:55

It's 23C here, and I'm still wearing my jacket. Lol

Black Spike

@ben LOL

BESW

I tend to get sick if I sleep in a house that's A/C'd that low.

Black Spike

My car has been like an oven recently ... I drive to clients, park in the sun, work long enough for car to heat up, then drive to next client ...

nitsua60

@Ben It's that "hot" here right now, and it's 11PM.

Ben

@BlackSpike Awww yes... now that is smart thinking

nitsua60

02:58

That said, I have sympathy for those marathoners. Personally, I run best in the single-digits Celsius.

Ben

@nitsua60 I run best when the duration is in the single digits XD

BESW

Ben

I look fit... But I am not fit.

nitsua60

@Ben Yeah, I'm only good for a handful of marathons, too =D

Ben

Hahaha

BESW

03:00

nitsua60

@BESW That stability blows my mind. Is it (probably a really stupid question) the surrounding water just pegging the temperature in place, basically?

Ben

@BESW so... is that like... a plane race?

Black Spike

trying to psych my self up for running ... my gf wants to ...

BESW

@Ben No, just sponsored by.

Ben

Haha ok

BESW

03:01

@nitsua60 Yeah, large bodies of water are really good temperature stabilizers.

nitsua60

@BlackSpike running just for running, or any particular goal/reason?

BESW

And we've got [checks notes] the largest.

Ben

@BlackSpike My gf goes to the gym. I'll be joining her as an ego booster haha

Black Spike

@nitsua60 health/weight

trogdor

@BESW lol

nitsua60

03:02

Cool--good luck! Feel free to ping for encouragement!

(I'm bummed I only have time for a couple of more runs before hernia surgery sidelines me for a season or two.)

Black Spike

@nitsua60 thanks! Need all the encouragement I can get!

Ben

BESW

Black Spike

is both encouraging and disheartening ... got a good friend who does triathalons, cycles 20 miles to go on a run, feels sad if she's not done ALL the exercise ... I know it's not a competition, but I can't keep up with that ...

Ben

@BlackSpike It's something to work towards. No, you might not be able to keep up at the beginning, but you will be able to eventually, if you stick with it! :D

Joshua

03:09

All the world is at war. The microbes are attacking.

MikeQ

@BlackSpike Generally, fitness is a competition against yourself. All about you. Not about what others are doing. (With exceptions, like competitive bodybuilding, caber toss, or tournament arcs)

BESW

@BlackSpike All bodies are different, sled-dog edition.

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Black Spike

@Ben Nah, I'll never catch her! She's got she's got 20 years of solid training over me ... but yeah, it is inspiring

linksassin

@Ben I played cricket on a day that was 41C last year. That was not fun.

Ben

@linksassin Sounds like a Christmas bbq hahaha

Black Spike

03:12

@MikeQ that's what I tell my gf. She used to do Park Run, but was always at the back of the pack ... knocked her confidence ...

trogdor

@Ben wait what?

linksassin

@Ben We came off the field and one of the spectators was like "Did you know it hit 41 out there?" - No we didn't, competition rules say we are to leave the field at 39C

Ben

@BESW This is the most beautiful adorable thing ever.

trogdor

That can't be right, that's like a normal day's temperature here

Ben

@linksassin :O whoops! Hahaha

Black Spike

03:16

ooops .. is OMG! o'clock!

Ben

@trogdor To be fair, a lot of those kids of people go for a run in their shorts at -1C. You know, get the blood flowing

Black Spike

catch y'all on the flipside

Ben

@BlackSpike [flips a d2]

trogdor

@Ben yeah,.. and I guess they aren't used to it either but I've gone hiking and not had a huge issue with the heat

And I'm not even in good shape at all

Ben

@trogdor 39C for me is toasty. I'd be happy to spend a day doing work, or playing sport in that weather. Provided the humidity was ok.

MikeQ

03:20

All 3-dimensional shapes are good. (If you are hypercube-shaped, seek medical attention)

Ben

If it drops below 10C, the nope kicks in

trogdor

@Ben yeah and that's another thing about it,... It's not as humid there as it is here I bet

Which just makes it weirder

Ben

03:34

bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4128.latest.shtml

Dy days sit around 25%. Humid days get up to about 70%

linksassin

@BESW This may be one of the most wholesome things I've ever read.

V2Blast

@nitsua60 born in Fairfield County, town I grew up in was in New London County :)

BESW

@linksassin Then you have not read Fandom for Robots.

trogdor

@BESW XD

@BESW That's kinda one of the reasons I thought you might like Mariimo, Because of stuff like that that you linked me

BESW

03:50

I will get to Mariimo! Eventually! I'm currently hate-reading an Expanse novel and those things can't get interrupted or I have to start over because they're so bad at reminding me what's going on.

trogdor

@BESW read it noooooowwww :P

Take your time really

BESW

This one features the Actual Sentence Written By Hugo-Nominated Authors, Which Escaped The Editing Process And Was Published By A Major Book Publisher, "It had been unthinkable right up to the moment he thought it."

trogdor

I'm literally just pointing out one of the reasons I think you'll like it

I'm not trying to pressure you to start it

@BESW lol

So glad I didn't try to read those

BESW

It's a line that was unpublishable right up to the moment they published it!

I mean, the concepts are still moderately clever and I give the authors a lot of points for what they're trying to do.

But Holden is still absolutely insufferable but the authors don't seem to know it.

linksassin

@BESW That too is rather wholesome.

trogdor

04:17

@BESW is he worse than the show version?

BESW

@trogdor [grinds teeth]

trogdor

So yes then

That's kinda mind boggling

Cause he's a huge dumb.... Person in that

Ben

05:43

I've started using "thank the Man" when referring to technology that has saved my bacon. Rather than referring to deities or some related being/place.

Just seems more appropriate. Lol

MikeQ

@Ben Refusal to praise the Omnissiah is heresy

Ben

@MikeQ The Omnissiah is yet to reveal his light on humanity. I only use the phrase for the unenlightened. The Omnissiah is always praised.

Miniman

@MikeQ Praising the Omnissiah is heresy. Refusal to praise the Emperor is heresy.

GcL

@Ben Similarly I thank coffee for a great deal of technology

trogdor

05:59

@Miniman saying the word heresy is heresy

Ben

I think the logical deduction here is that praising anything other than the Omnissiah, or the Emperor, is definitely heresy.

@GcL So we should thanks the plants for the coffee for the technology...

Miniman

@trogdor That sounds like hearsay to me.

Ben

@Miniman …[squints]

trogdor

@Miniman I'm very heretical

Oh lol

I didn't realize you used a different word

XD

Ben

He done a sneaky

V2Blast

06:33

@trogdor Everything is heresy.

trogdor

yeah it seems like it

Ben

An Inquisitor with this mindset is a good Inquistor

trogdor

he shouldn't be happy about it

heresy

linksassin

@trogdor he shouldn't be happy ~~about it~~

heresy

Ben

But if heresy is everywhere then he can find it all and put it all under Exterminatus.

trogdor

06:42

to be fair yes

he shouldn't be happy

but he really really shouldn't be happy about heresy

Ben

He's just thinking about cleansing it all. That's why he's happy.

trogdor

lol

heresy

Ben

Heresy heresy? Hahaha! Heresy...

Akixkisu