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Mage in the Barrel

1:01 PM

It’s extremely complex too since your doing 3 completely different things with 1 spell and 1 action so nerfing the damage and radius wouldn’t justify the fact that it’s highly advanced magic

A novice mage likely wouldn’t be able to pull off something that complex

> The first time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell’s duration, your weapon rings with thunder that is audible within 300 feet of you, and the attack deals an extra 2d6 thunder damage to the target. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be pushed 10 feet away from you and knocked prone.

But that's still only one target

Mage in the Barrel

it’s also fire and forget and not concentration

there are few standard action spells which are "as part of the action to cast the spell, make a melee weapon attack..." worded

can't remember what they are off the top of head

Maybe 1d8 radiant damage. Additionally, all creatures within 5ft of the target must make a constitution saving throw or suffer 1d4 damage and be knocked back 5ft

@Carcer The scag cantrips?

1:07 PM

the pally smite spells are all bonus-action duration things like that basically in order to give the paladin something to do with bonus actions and allow them to keep their extra attacks

@Sdjz sounds likely

Mage in the Barrel

What spell level?

I think if you do it you'll have to let it just be pure AOE so if friendlies are there they're affected as well

Mage in the Barrel

Yeah Outside of the first attack which is just your basic attack with high knockback it’s aoe

Does anyone know where I can find example items by level somehow?

Mage in the Barrel

The main part of the damage is explosion

1:09 PM

That the way the original spell seems to work is an enhanced initial weapon attack PLUS knockback PLUS an extra Thunderwave like effect centered on the target when it lands after the initial knockback

what spell is this?

Like a Level 15 Paladin should have X amount of items, or maybe a sample build at that level with itema?

Mage in the Barrel

The original spell as an enhanced melee attack which is x2 melee damage

@Caitlynn assuming D&D, but which edition are you playing?

5e, sorry I should specify

1:11 PM

previous editions (3e,4e) had pretty well defined expected guidelines for wealth by level and appropriate magic items

@G.Moylan I was describing the original spell that gave Mage the idea for the homebrew one. It is taken from a videogame. See:

24 mins ago, by Mage in the Barrel

https://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Blaze

I think the DMG or Xanathar's Guide has a table that might be helpful?

Mage in the Barrel

But the weakest core melee skill does more and is intended for defense no damage

unfortunately 5e is much more freeform about that kind of thing, what with the whole not even pricing magic items properly

Yeah the best I can find is those 2 tables but that's not as helpful for determining the wealth of thise items

Like a 15th level char should have a combined 80k gp worth of equipment type of thing

1:12 PM

@Caitlynn that'd be impossible for 5e to do because it does not precisely define the values of magic items

stuff is just "common, uncommon, rare, legendary" with huge price ranges attached to those qualifiers

@Caitlynn at least for levels 1-10 you have a bunch of pregenerated characters that might help a bit

but there's nothing that says a +1 sword is worth 1000gp or something like that

Damn. Is there a ballpark maybe? I guess I could jusy estimate based on those specific item types

Mage in the Barrel

The core melee skill does 460% damage can be spammed and stuns for 4 and a half seconds

@Caitlynn there's a popular homebrew reference called "sane magic item prices" that attempts to solve this issue

but it IS homebrew

1:15 PM

DMG 135 has a table for item price ranges by rarity

Im playing a level 15 Gnome Wizard who's had 5gp to her name for 3 levels straight now and it's kind of annoying not being able to cast any spells with material components so i wanted to find references for what kind of stuff I SHOULD have at this level

ah

@Carcer the Sane MAgic Item thing does it by rarity and item and I think it uses Xanathar as a base

Our level 15 Paladin in regular chainmail feels the same way haha

I take it to try and persuade your GM?

1:16 PM

@G.Moylan it's not perfect though. there's still parts that make you scratch your head

maybe you might be better off looking at the DMG's guidelines for rewards from encounters

@G.Moylan Oh, I'll check that out, thanks!

Mage in the Barrel

And another core melee skill deals 620%

@Caitlynn you obviously would need to get that approved by your DM. some DMs will NOT Assign cash value to magic items at all

@MageintheBarrel I don't think you should try to compare the numbers - usually skill in videogame are geared towards the "one man army" zone. And it is also very common from game that the "basic (auto) attack" does nothing - all the real damage output is from the skills.

1:17 PM

but then some adventures, specifically Dungeon of the Mad MAge, have mechanics in place for valuing magic items and selling them

@Caitlynn Unfortunately, 5e does not have a Wealth by Level table like existed in previous editions, it is up to the setting and the GM.

@Carcer Yeah, pretty much, we usually get stuff like a Rare staff that makes your target spontaneously be wearing lipstick and other weird stuff like that, but while we technically meet the table requirements for drops, my Legendary Hat of Making your Enemy Turn Purple kind of makes combat hard

you could always trade a sword for a night at an inn

Mage in the Barrel

Fair how should I set the initial hit damage to make it weak

Also, 5e is balanced around 0 magic items according to the designers, so there will be some games where you get extremely few if any magic items

1:19 PM

hmm just read a question about Grease that says it causes difficult terrain. Is that true?

it doesn't say the terrain becomes difficult in its wording

@Ryan yes dndbeyond.com/spells/grease

@DavidCoffron Yeah, I figured as much, it's just kind

"and turns it into difficult terrain for the duration."

Mage in the Barrel

I’m almost to my destination so I’ll be able to reply easier

@Caitlynn Those sound like they match the common magic items in Xanathar's Guide to Everything which usually carry non-mechanical cursory effects (although my group yesterday made great use of the wand of pyrotechnics)

1:20 PM

@Caitlynn It sounds like maybe you need to have a talk with your DM about how the equipment they're giving you is hilarious and all but you are getting frustrated about not getting anything actually useful, especially for a caster who sometimes need expensive material components

of dismaying to be highlevel chars with no combat items.

There is a stated assumption in 5e that the game does not assume that high level characters necessarily have or need magical items in order to be effective

they're certainly much less absolutely mandatory than they were in earlier editions

Yeah, thats why I was looking for references, like a wealth by level or a sample build, because it woukd help make the case

yeah. For that I think the guide table in DMG 38 is the closest you're going to get

Well yeah, but try playing a Wizard that hasnt been able to bring back her Familiar for 5 level because it's too expensive. None of my spells have material components with costs

1:23 PM

@Caitlynn Someone calculated wealth by level using avgs from XGtE magic item prices and treasure table rolls, sadly I don't have the link at hand.

Should be searchable.

@Carcer Although your GM should consider the fact that your high-level fighter lacks a way to bypass magic resistance (unless an ally can enchant his weapon) when balancing encounters

@Akixkisu Oh that would be perfect, the biggest issue is that we technically meet the item table suggestions but are destitute and dont have combat items. ill search for it

@DavidCoffron indeed. I meant to clarify that the assumption isn't necessarily entirely true

@Akixkisu This one?

@DavidCoffron Yeah, I've been using Dragon's breath with 7th level slots to give my allies a magical weapon lol

1:26 PM

@Caitlynn If your GM is taking care to give you magical items such that you've got the approximately correct number of magic items, they're just giving you useless magical items, I don't think this is a problem you're going to solve by arguing this way

@DavidCoffron Wasn't thinking about that one, though it seems to be decent enough. There is one who goes into the tables and explains the methodology.

@Caitlynn You also might consider picking up the magic weapon spell for a cheaper way to make your fighter-types be able to use the full brunt of their Extra Attack feature

they are already aware that you're meant to have a bunch of items and they're maliciously complying with those guidelines

@Carcer that makes sense, I figured a sample build or some wealth guidelines would help my case

are they aware that you guys are finding it very frustrating? In a not-fun way?

because there are tables where this kind of approach would be taken as an entertaining challenge, but it seems like you guys are definitely having a challenge but not an entertaining one

1:28 PM

Yeah, but he just said that DND is supposed to be challenging and that this is what we're SUPPOSED to have

well he's kind of a jerk then. Sorry you've gotta deal with that

I figured having this would help me make my case when we confronted him

You are playing as a group.

If you want to find something on the internet, go to @BESW

Talk about that this style doesn't suit you.

1:29 PM

beswoogle

If your table doesn't really do treasure hoards, this post seems to delve into the treasure from just random encounters

I dunno, I feel like he's just misguided and thinking we're trying to cheat him, cause he's kind of a new dm, so I figured I'd convince him this way

You are playing 5e, right?

yeah, they're playing 5e

okay

Okay, I'll look at those links. Thanks a ton for the help everyone :)

1:31 PM

@Akixkisu Is this more in depth one what you had seen? It seems to come to similar but not identical conclusions to the fist I linked

@DavidCoffron I'm certain that there is one that includes magic item prices derived from the XGtE tables because I have used that before as a resource. But it could have been from a none-English source. Though both of these look fine as they are for Caitlynn's purposes.

@Caitlynn remember that the DM is a player too and probably isn't out to "get" anyone. If the DM is new - especially if they are new - it can be hard to find that balance of magic items and what to give out vs giving out too much

@G.Moylan Heck, even for experienced DMs it can be hard. I've found that I gave out a bit too much common items (experimenting with them for the first time) for my group, and have had to up the difficulty as a result.

@Ryan Heh, glad to hear that it worked out.

@Carcer yes haha

1:46 PM

@DavidCoffron yeah I got a little flippant with gold for a while and suddenly my players were like "we want to buy everything"

@G.Moylan I had to figure that one out

Mage in the Barrel

sorry i took so long to gt back i had technical difficulties

@G.Moylan I'll keep that in mind. :) Like I said earlier, I don't think it's a malicious choice. Thanks everyone!

2:07 PM

Can anyone explain why this answer was deleted:
https://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/149716/34716

@goodguy5 It says deleted by owner, we could vote to undelete if the community wants that answer

I guess they didn't want the rep drop.

I think the answer is perfectly valid as a point.

One really could just use a d20 as a standin for all of the other dice.

I'd prefer to use a d24, but w/e

@Rubiksmoose Thank you, I couldn't find that link for some reason (in regards to the merge account thing)

Oh, nevermind, I was misreading it

@Sdjz No worries at all :) I had to ask even if that was what we usually sent them in cases like this.

2:14 PM

@Rubiksmoose I thought I remembered mods posting such a message before

I thought the answerer was saying
"1d20 = 1d20
1d12 = 1d20; reroll 13-20
1d10 = 1d20/2
1d8 = 1d20/2; reroll 17-20
1d6 = 1d20/3; reroll 19-20
1d4 = 1d20/5"

@goodguy5 Do you think that is good advice for someone that has "just started playing" though?

@Rubiksmoose "good" advice? heavens no. But technically doable.

@goodguy5 Nah, it was saying take the average of every die except the d20

yea. and now I understand why it was downvoted and deleted.

Though, it's an interesting point and I wouldn't mind trying a session that way

2:22 PM

I have a very weird question. If, god (or some comparable being or concept) forbid, a stack saw fit to bully one of there members to an absurd degree, and downvote all of their answers to the ground, and then undelete them whenever the user tried to delete them, what would be an avenue for that user to seek the permanent removal of their answers?

@DavidCoffron I would think Stack admins

@G.Moylan as in employees.

@G.Moylan assuming the mods were complicit or couldn't do anything about it

@DavidCoffron I think at that point the user would just not care and leave the stack

@G.Moylan That was part of my question, do mods have a way of permanently deleting an answer so high-rep users can't undelete it

@DavidCoffron This is probably grounds for banning those high-reps (for gross misuse of stack functionality), not protecting a deleted answer.

@Sdjz Some people might, but if this happened to me (although I see that as an impossiblity), I would still like to use the stack (it's one of my favorite places on the internet). I'd just rather have my answers deleted, and then maybe after the drama stopped, consider reopening some of them and politely asking users to revoke their downvotes.

2:27 PM

@DavidCoffron that assumes the community is willing to do that. Which this one might be, but in the scenario you posit it doesn't sound like the kind of community that might be open to that. Either way, the Admins have magic powers even beyond the Mods, so I would think pursing the Admins would still be the way to go.

@DavidCoffron If a mod deletes an answer, only a mod can undelete it. So aside from everything else that would have to go horribly wrong for this to occur, flagging for a diamond mod would solve this.

@Rubiksmoose Nice, so if the mods aren't involved, they can handle it. If a mod or mods are complicit, then go up more

@DavidCoffron yeah that sounds like the flow

Also, that kind of activity would trigger autoflags that would escalate upwards.

Mass downvoting, for example, gets reversed automagically without human intervention.

@BESW Huh. I had no idea

2:39 PM

@DavidCoffron This is a concern that you should take up with your mods, as they can reach out directly to the CM team for evaluation.

469

A: What is serial voting and how does it affect me?

What is voting fraud? Voting fraud is the systematic voting against correct voting rationales. Fraud most often happens with a single user continually voting (up or down) on many of your posts within a short period of time. This is not considered normal behavior and the system will not allow it....

In theory, mass downvoting will get detected and reversed by the system, but it isn't foolproof.

@BESW I've been in situations where a bunch of my answers from forever ago start to get upvotes in the space of a few minutes. Is that a "serial upvote" situation?

@DavidCoffron There are at least some tools in place to protect users from abuse by others. If they aren't 100% or the pattern persists, you contact your mod team. If that doesn't resolve, then you can move up the food chain the to CM team. The CM team has Anorak powers. :)

@DavidCoffron Can be. Or, a user could have read a recent answer, thought "hey, this d00d is smaht" and wiki walked your history.

If there's enough time between votes for them to have read the answer, it's probably not a problem.

2:44 PM

TIL more about how the stack works and I'm happy :)

I sometimes get a lot of upvotes on a single old answer because somebody else answered it too and now lots of people are looking at the post.

When I get upvotes on many old answers it's usually all connected to a single tag or search term that somebody's sifting through.

@BESW That will happen too, for sure. New answer bumps old question, new users that hadn't seen it also say "hey, nice answer" and upvote.

@BESW Yeah, that happened to me a few times before I knew about the "Active" tab

@BESW or it was referenced in a new question

I was very confused until I learned

2:46 PM

@DavidCoffron I will say that the moderation teams take bullying and targeted behavior very seriously.

We have the another "how do I fake sincerity" question on tap, for those interested in answering.

@JohnP Very glad to hear. The respectful and friendly here is why I keep coming back.

I read Dale Carnegie's book back in the 80's, as did my room mate. When we were both done, we had the same basic reiew: "So, the key to success is to fake sincerity." 8^p

@DavidCoffron That does vary somewhat by site and chat room.

The Stack developers have put a lot of effort and experiential learning into improving its mechanisms for protecting their content from harm through egregious deletion or vote-sorting misuse. If only they cared as much about protecting the users from harm.

2:48 PM

There are some chats that allow quite a high level of what this chat would consider noise/undesirable, but that is also reflective of the fact that this chat might have a higher incidence of youngers, etc.

@BESW That is slowly changing. Systemic bias is hard to shift/change, but there has been a greater emphasis on user consideration in recent memory.

I think there are a couple of stricter chats, as well

@goodguy5 And looser. Anime chat is very fringe, Mos Eisley (which it was still live) was WAY on the edge (Which led to its eventual demise), some of the security and admin chats are a little rough and tumble, etc.

@JohnP Yeah, my tilting at windmills in re the new user experience was (from within) in vain, but some external pressure on SE/SO seems to have been the recent trigger for some change.

[shrug] I see an increase in talking about "user comfort" and "being welcoming," and a bunch of lip service about civility. I haven't seen any effective action toward reducing harm, because I haven't seen any interest in understanding the harm.

@KorvinStarmast Yeah, and the specific triggers were the subject (And still are in some cases) of much debate among all the mods on various sites.

2:52 PM

I've seen them expect users to do the emotional and teaching labor to educate them, rather than hiring experts.

@BESW Systemically? Not as much as we might want. Individually, there have been cases addressed. But yes, there is a long way to go.

Individually there are still ridiculously egregious cases being given a pass, too.

@BESW My observations and critiques on the "Code of Conduct" thing as it was flailing around were that, by and large, it is well intended but clumsy at best. The cultural change you'd rather see is some seriously hard work. (Worthwhile, IMO, but hard work nonetheless. Most cultural change has a cost)

@BESW Send them up the flagpole. Seriously.

Greetings - an article showed up on my Google news feed that D&D will be changing its name. The article was posted on a website called meeplemountain.com but I can't open the link. Did anyone else see this? Maybe it's junk n

2:54 PM

sounds like junk

Yep

@RobertF Is this an article in The Onion? The brand has found some new success in the past five years, I have serious doubts Hasbro will want to ditch it.

GM didn't ditch Buick when its sales were rising, as a gross analogy ...

@RobertF You can try opening the cached version

@RobertF It's satire

They're changing it to "Dungeons and/or Dragons"

2:57 PM

That's it, yes it's a joke, ha!

Can't have the name confusing the masses as to what this game is all about

here's the article meeplemountain.com/news/dungeons-dragons-to-receive-name-change

@MikeQ "D&/D"... may as well call it "D||D"

but that would be just "or"!

(D&&D)||(D||D)

2:58 PM

Looks like a funny article meant to amuse ... DiBragio?

@DucksGoMooful but an "or" without being an xor is the same as "andor"

This is satire. Please make an Insight check.

*“It’s a simple name change, really, but we wanted to show that we’re in tune with customers’ expectations,” said John DiBragio, Associate Vice Executive of Branding and/or Licensing for Hasbro.

@Derpy {Dungeons}∪{Dragons}

Very bottom of the article.

2:59 PM

@DucksGoMooful logic or so it is either Dragons, Dungeons or both.

D∩D?

True, I guess inclusive includes and

@MikeQ Wait... is it union or intersection?

@DavidCoffron Yes.

@KorvinStarmast speaking of cars, did anyone see the Brazilian car ad with live action actors portraying the old D&D cartoon from the 80s?

3:00 PM

you can't drop that on us and NOT provide a link

@G.Moylan syfy.com/syfywire/dungeons-dragons-live-action-commercial

Ug on my phone, hold on . . .

Ask and ye shall receive.

@DavidCoffron That would exclude dragonless dungeons and dungeonless dragons

And the room takes a collective pause to watch an ad. :p

3:03 PM

Renault | KWID Outsider | Caverna do Dragão

ha wow they nailed the character looks

Tiamat's looking good, too

@goodguy5 Thanks. I was suffering from FGITW syndrome. :)

@MikeQ they should just have a little notice on the cover:

> Warning: the actual content of dungeons and/or dragons may vary. May contain traces of hazelnuts and hobbits.

@Derpy ~~hobbits~~ halflings! (please don't sue us again)

"Hazelnuts and Hobbits", the hit new game from Wizards of the Coast!

3:05 PM

@goodguy5 oh and thanks! Either way I appreciate it a lot.

Yes, my first thought was: this could be a new series on Netflix or HBO, but on 2nd thought we're already getting a D&D movie sometime soon.

@DucksGoMooful Rules written and directed by Peter Jackson.

@Rubiksmoose consulting by Stephen Colbert

@Rubiksmoose I'd rather have JJ Abrams, that way we could have spells such as "lens flare effect" :D

@RobertF Someone can correct if this is wrong, but I think there have been a decent number of D&D movies. Usually they're about adventures within a fantasy world, rather than the players themselves.

3:19 PM

@MikeQ As far as I was aware there was two. Was there more?

Or do you mean to include cartoons too?

Probably more, including live action. But they usually don't get much publicity, due to poor critical reception.

Yes two movies from the 90s I think. But they weren't very good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(film_series)

Huh, there's three in existence and one in process. I sit informed.

I read somewhere that Amazon is going to produce a D&D movie.

Wow I was way off, ha ha

@RobertF it doesn't help that people have started to referring to the Benioff & Weiss hacks as "D&D." makes things difficult to keep track of sometimes

Mage in the Barrel

3:25 PM

how would i make a force cantrip?

@MageintheBarrel like force damage?

Mage in the Barrel

yeah

@MageintheBarrel is reflavoring an existing cantrip not an option?

Mage in the Barrel

was going to reflavor the firebolt spell

Trivia question: Name the films and TV shows that have depicted people playing D&D (or less specifically any fantasy rpg).

Mage in the Barrel

3:26 PM

but fire res is way more common than force

@MageintheBarrel I was going to suggest that. You can pretty much just change the damage type and be fine.

Eldritch Blast is already a force damage cantrip

@G.Moylan yeah. If you wanted you could make it 2d8 instead of d10 and it should probably be fine

@MikeQ also this

@MikeQ although EB has the distinction of being a warlock's primary method of damage at range

@G.Moylan and thus scales a bit differently than typical cantrips

Mage in the Barrel

I want to make a healer class that uses spiritual power

@MageintheBarrel in what sense?

Clerics arguably use "spiritual power"

Mage in the Barrel

3:30 PM

spiritual power like the monks ki

spiritual power from an oriental perspective

that sortof exists with Divine Soul Sorcerer but in a loose way

could reflavor a celestial warlock to be getting power from some great spirit?

@G.Moylan Sorcery Points being their "points"

@DucksGoMooful warlock patrons don't have to be evil baddies

Mage in the Barrel

would it possible to reflavor the monk to be a healer

@MageintheBarrel anything is possible but a healer that punches you is a bit odd

3:32 PM

"Reflavor" usually means you preserve the mechanics, but change the descriptive bits

Mage in the Barrel

Okay revamp then

@MageintheBarrel it'd really be a new class. I'm not sure the Monk class paradgim can handle that as it stands

Probably harder to do that, but you could try for it if you're up for it

Anything is possible. A homecrew class that can summon tarrasques at 1st level is possible. Dunno about balance, or whether a DM would allow it.

Mage in the Barrel

my dm generally has an "anything goes as long as it fits in the world" logic

so if i can justify it and not make it op he'll probably let me get away with it

3:35 PM

World of Warcraft has a Monk class that isn't super abstracted from the D&D monk, and it uses a Ki system. The healer, however, does not. But they do have a healer. More about elemental X-bender type stuff

they do punch things as a backup but they typically manipulate Ki energy and the elements to heal people

@MageintheBarrel I think the DMG has rules on homebrewed spells that don't unbalance the game.

@G.Moylan but they don't have actual "ki points"

If you wanted to play as a fantasy-world-Taoist-equivalent character that can heal and use magic, then it would probably make more sense to pick a healer class/archetype, and then describe it the way you want

yeah you can come up with some really creative ways to describe the existing classes

Pact of the blade celestial warlock that summons brass knuckles

3:37 PM

Clerics, paladin, sorcerer (favored soul), warlock (celestial)

one of my favorites that I saw was a barbarian played as a spoiled rich noble. His rage was because people hadn't heard of him or his family name. "my father will hear about this" type stuff

And as a side note, "oriental" is a broad (and somewhat offensive) term that doesn't describe any particular philosophy or belief system

Mage in the Barrel

okay then chinese and japanese spiritual belifes

Those are two very different belief systems.

Mage in the Barrel

okay i'll stick to japanese folkore since i know more about it

aaanyways the idea is that said monk would inject his or her ki into a target to help or harm them

3:45 PM

That could be any of the aforementioned spellcasters, if you describe their spells as "ki" or such. Any other criteria?

Mage in the Barrel

instead of spell slots they consume an alternate resource like ki

since i don't like having to worry about running out of spells before i can long rest

Hm. Paladins have a pool of points to spend for their Lay on Hands healing. You could call it "ki" if you wanted.

Mage in the Barrel

paladins are more off healers aren't they

my group has no healer and I don't like the defaults onces

we have a ranged monk with way of the four elements right?

You can use a caster but instead of spell slots use the alternate spell points sytem

Anyone have the current Adventurer's League Log sheet they could link me or drop box me without having to signup for a website?

3:52 PM

@Ryan is this it? media.wizards.com/downloads/dnd/DnDAdvLgLogsheet.pdf

Mage in the Barrel

i'll run that by my dm

@MageintheBarrel from what I've seen it's generally considered balanced. It makes you more versatile but you pay dearly if you want to blow your points on all high-level stuff

@BESW About four years ago, one of the mods here (wax or seven) described to me when I was new that stack exchange sites with our voting mechanic serve as a flesh based algorithm to get the "best" answer to burble up to the top. The function and purpose, one might say, is by design utterly imperssonal even though it uses -- and I use that word deliberately , uses -- people to feed that algorithm.

@G.Moylan or all low-level then you can't do high-level

@G.Moylan nope thats what I brought last night and was told its been changed for season 8 but not updated on the website

i guess it exists on dmsguild.com but I have no desire to create a login on dmsguild.com just to get a log file

3:54 PM

@Ryan ah sorry then. hold on I have an account

let me look for it and see if it's watermarked

dmsguild.com/product/208178/…

if it's watermarked I'm not sure I should share it

@MageintheBarrel There's also a "Way of Tranquility" monk from Unearthed Arcana, who has a pool of points they can spend for healing. But they're not geared to be a primarily healer. Still a monk, still designed to punch things.

Mage in the Barrel

figured as much

OK I have the file but I'm unsure how to share it with you, or if it's even the right thing

@Ryan ^

It's dated 2018 so that sounds right

Mage in the Barrel

3:59 PM

heres what i've got

Spiritualism
Spell slots are replaced by a reasource called orbs orbs restore by 1 per 3 turns and cap at 10 the number orbs required to cast a spell is equal to spell level divided by 2 rounded up.

as something i thought up just now

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