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Kale Dodge

8:00 PM

How do the things on the back work exactly?

goodguy5

mechanically?

Kale Dodge

yes

goodguy5

I'm still chewing on it. But my first thought is:

"A creature can take an action to deal 1 charge to a pustule. Once a pustule reaches 3(? still thinking on the number) charges, it ruptures, dealing <a large amount of damage> to the blightfather. The creature must be within the same range that they would use to make an attack."

Colin Gross

@goodguy5 I've split up monolithic boss fights into multiple target-able "creatures" that are part of the whole. Makes it possible to wear down the boss such that it actually gets weaker as it takes more damage.

goodguy5

@ColinGross I've done something similar. But I don't think I'd do that with this specific foe.

Kale Dodge

8:04 PM

"A creature can take an action to attempt to inflict 1 stress charge to a pustule. Once a pustule reaches 3 the blightfather makes a CON SV. On fail it explodes dealing double damage to the blightfather on success regular damage. Creatures within the blast radius make a DEX SV to either take half or full damage

Colin Gross

Doing something similar with an alternate way of damaging the large boss seems interesting. Trading away 3 actions seems like an awful lot.

goodguy5

@KaleDodge I would, personally, avoid the weakness of the monster dealing damage to the party.

Colin Gross

@KaleDodge Or con save per damage. 10 or half the damage whichever is greater?

Kale Dodge

both good ideas

goodguy5

@ColinGross The point being that it would be "guaranteed" damage. no attack roll, no damage roll.

And I plan on putting in some sort of "When the blightfather is reduced below half hp (bloodied), he <gets weaker in some appreciable way. Vulnerability or something>."

Colin Gross

8:08 PM

@goodguy5 That's a neat idea.

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose more recent tweet which is more accurate and clear

Bestial Fury is when the beast can use Multiattack at the ranger's command. https://twitter.com/fritomuncher/status/609486642617806850

Tweeted by JeremyECrawford on June 17, 2015 at 12:07 AM

goodguy5

So, for argument's sake.

Blightfather.
HP - 90
Resistance to Piercing*, Bludgeoning*, Slashing*

<Pustules text here> does 25 damage.

When the blightfather is reduced below half health, he loses his resistances to buldgeoning, piercing, and slashing damages.

or something

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron ahhh much clearer.

David Coffron

@goodguy5 I did something like that for a witch who lost resistance after they destroyed her magic cauldron. My players took it the wrong way and spent half the session looking for a Spellbook that had the "homebrew spell"...

goodguy5

that's funny

I'd let them attack once or twice and then tell them. "you notice your attacks are less effective than you'd expect. Those writhing pustules on his back, however. They don't seem as hardy"

Colin Gross

8:14 PM

@goodguy5 Could be a perception or arcane knowledge check right off the bat, and give it to them after a round or two.

goodguy5

also @DavidCoffron I just realized that baby dk has the logo I sent you with your raven on it.

@ColinGross yea. good point

David Coffron

@goodguy5 yep. Had to keep the original in some way

NautArch

8:34 PM

is this question a dupe of the ones linked in @Xirema 's comment?

Xirema

@NautArch I'm actually about 50:50 on whether it's a dupe or not, but I'm still confident it's the same answer.

goodguy5

^

I almost want to answer

Yes, Your wand can be a Yew wand.

Rubiksmoose

You do Yew wand.

Xirema

Also, I've been under the impression that a Sorcerer Arcane Focus is not cross-compatible with a Wizard Arcane Focus, even if they permit the same items, so if I've been mistaken about that, there's quite a bit of retconning to do.

Kale Dodge

Backstory help, im making a family and the 5 kids who grew up, having trouble with ideas for 1 of the sisters,

Zander

goodguy5

8:38 PM

@KaleDodge happy, dark, sad, violent?

Kale Dodge

typing context

goodguy5

ah

Xirema

@KaleDodge When she was a baby, a "wise sage" (possibly a crazy person mistaken for "wise") declared that she would be the center of a terrible prophecy that would bring about the end of the world.

Yuuki

gah, i'm still deep-diving into Elder Scrolls lore

pls send help

David Coffron

@Yuuki no help allowed. You are gone forever

The only thing to save you from ES lore is Dark souls lore, but I'm not sure it'll solve your problem

Rubiksmoose

8:40 PM

@Xirema ugh its a close call. Interesting how the same answer that was chosen last time is getting a much different reception this time

And I tend to agree I think the selected answer on the old question is incorrect.

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron Dark Souls lore is far less philosophical than ES lore.

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose probably because the old question didn't include an example that is much more illustrative

@Yuuki but it gets crazier

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron That is a very good point.

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron ES lore gets pretty damn crazy.

Xirema

@Rubiksmoose "Can one object be two different focuses?" is, technically, a different question from "Can one object be two different focuses if both classes are permitted to use that type of object as a focus?"

Rubiksmoose

8:42 PM

@Xirema Yeah. I'm inclined to leave them apart honestly.

David Coffron

@Xirema which is even still different than, can one object used as a focus for one class be modified to work for another class?

Yuuki

In ES, reality exists as a dream or conceptual debate between two sides.

David Coffron

@Xirema The former is closer to this question

Kale Dodge

Zander is the eldest son and a rebel but good natured, sarcastic but deeply caring, Esmeralda is the oldest sister who im having trouble with, Lyrith is the player character who became a whisper bard multiclass a dip into cleric who hoards knowledge like a dragon and consumes like a kid with candy, Elwin is an very energetic but shy red head artificer who traveled to live with dwarves in the mountains, and the youngest is Astra a shadow sorcerer who joined and took over a sadistic cult that indocterated clueless people to sap their life force.

If you would like more info on parents ill post the bio but the main theme of the mainly is knowledge and social power

Yuuki

A lot of the really powerful and esoteric magic functions off this concept of reality simply being an argument.

David Coffron

8:46 PM

@KaleDodge as an eldest child, I like the idea of overshadowed by the second oldest (as I am). Perhaps the eldest is the only one who didnt become an adventurer and just has a simple scribe job or something

Xirema

I mean, as DM, my instinct is to give a multiclassed character a special quest to forge their cross-class focus, maybe needing one or two expensive components, maybe giving the resulting item some extra bonus.

David Coffron

@Xirema I would just make it cost more (since it's custom made), having it equal the same as a component pouch

Xirema

(The expense being proportional to how different the two focuses are)

Kale Dodge

So far in my story I have so far, the eldest was actually banished by the mother when he came to age

Argument that got extreme

@xirema oh I am going to, she hasn't multiclassed yet but she plans to which is important to mention

David Coffron

@KaleDodge maybe wasn't magically gifted on her own and was cobsorting with or researching about fiends (trying to become a warlock for that darker knowledge)

Yuuki

8:49 PM

@Xirema What if I choose to combine an apple and an orange?

David Coffron

@KaleDodge oh I got confused. Eldest sister is not the eldest overall

Xirema

@Yuuki That depends. Are they both intended to function as Spellcasting focuses for two different classes?

Colin Gross

@Yuuki I think that's a completely comparable situation

David Coffron

@Xirema I mean... if you say yes, Mr. GM, then for Sure!

Yuuki

@Xirema Orange you glad that I didn't think too hard about this joke?

Kale Dodge

8:50 PM

No in order its Zander Esmeralda Lyrith Elwin Astra

Colin Gross

Unfortunately, it creates the universally comparable object. All comparisons are then possible to the applorange

Yuuki

@KaleDodge Are you perhaps missing a "Dumbledore" in there somewhere?

Perhaps between "Lyrith" and "Elwin"?

Xirema

@Yuuki Banana. (enunciated as though I am viciously cussing)

Kale Dodge

I don't get the reference I never dived heavily into potterlore

Yuuki

No, it's just that the initialism would then spell ZELDA.

David Coffron

8:51 PM

@ColinGross to measure how different things are, the new unit is the applorange. If they are as different as an apple and an orange, they are 1 applorange apart.

Yuuki

Wait no, replace "Elwin" with "Dumbledore".

David Coffron

@KaleDodge maybe Esmeralda and Zander were very close and Esme went with Zander after the banishing.

Kale Dodge

No I wanted to keep the kids separated one by one, gives my player more personal encounters to deal with over the campaign.

I like that warlock idea

David Coffron

@KaleDodge well. So far it looked like everyone left home. Esme maybe stayed?

Kale Dodge

I can have esme reunite with her mother after the father and mother split apart

Warlock ideas? I cant do great old one and fiend doesn't seem like a good fit, fey? I don't know much about running a fey patron

Ender Look

9:01 PM

Wax has a density of 900 kg/m3 and a pound of wax cost 5 sp, but candles cost 5 cp. So a candle weights 0.1 lb, equivalent to 0.05 cm3 of wax volume... a bit little, isn't it? This game economy is killing me, I hate this kind of inconsistencies!

Sir Cinnamon

@EnderLook Your intermingled use of pounds and kilograms is killing me

Mike Q

It's almost like it's a combat game and not meant to be extrapolated into a world or economy

GreySage

@EnderLook Maybe the candles are made from a different kind of wax/a non-wax substance?

Sir Cinnamon

Maybe the wick and oils are the more expensive part

David Coffron

@KaleDodge undying is fun (archlich). The point of fey is to make it feel very sporadic. The archfey seems to want something different every other session. Fey are very moody

Ender Look

9:05 PM

@SirCinnamon Wikipedia has kg but the game has pounds. It took me a while to convert them

Xirema

@GreySage Labor costs.

GreySage

@Xirema No, that would make the candle cost more, not less

Kale Dodge

I can work with a necro warlock archlich patron

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage Golems make the candles and they actually pay the factory to make the candles. Thus it is cost reduction for the candle manufacturer.

GreySage

I think the real answer is that the wax merchant is jacking up the prices for the adventurers.

Xirema

9:08 PM

@GreySage Melt down the candles, sell the raw wax, buy more candles. Infinite Money Exploit!

Ender Look

@GreySage Possible

Sir Cinnamon

@EnderLook Historically, tallow was used to make candles, more often than wax

Ender Look

That density is from paraffin wax is made with slack wax which is a mixture of oil and wax, a byproduct from the refining of lubricating oil. So
Wax 5 sp/lb.
Oil 1 sp a pint or 1 lb less 2 cp from the flask which weight 1 lb. So a pint of oil cost 8 cp and weight 0 lb...
Since the weight and volume are... also inconsistent is even more difficult to calculate.

@SirCinnamon Tallow? I'll investigate tha and look the price in the D&D market

Delioth

@EnderLook Candles made from coagulated fat

(ish)

GreySage

@EnderLook Or just... dont. Don't worry about the manufacturing process of DnD candles, it won't improve your life in a meaningful way.

Ender Look

9:15 PM

@Delioth Yes. I didn't know what means tallow in english.

Sir Cinnamon

Apparently both the making and burning of tallow candles gave off an extremely unpleasant smell!

Ender Look

@GreySage But I will not be in peace with my self until discovering the secret of the candles business.

Mike Q

The secret is "because wizards"

Ender Look

1 lb. of tallow is 2 sp. Sadly I can't find the density

Mike Q

Doesn't matter what the question is. If there are no other sensible answers, then the reason is "because wizards"

Unless this is 40k, in which case the answer is "because psykers"

GreySage

9:21 PM

@MikeQ The entire candle industry, across all the multiverse, is secretly run by a single epically powerful 20th level wizard, who uses his mastery of the arcane to procure wax and his army of undead minions to make and distribute the candles.

Ender Look

@GreySage And they pay royalties to Mystra's magic?

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage And, of course, to deal with any burgeoning "competition"

Delioth

@EnderLook Internet says 1 pound of tallow is ~1.1 pints

Ender Look

@Delioth Oh, thanks!

Delioth

Or, for the easier conversions in metric yourself, 865.64 kg per cubic meter

aqua-calc.com/calculate/food-weight-to-volume

That calculator lets you give a weight of (food) [tallow as an option], and it'll spit out the volume of that much (food)

Ender Look

9:33 PM

So tallow cost 2 sp per pound, which is the same as 1.1 pints. So a candles weights (5 cp / 2 sp) = 0.25 lb, equivalent to 0.275 pints or 130cm3, enough volume to fill a vial or half of cup! So canddles are possible and there isn't a wizard behind them. Thanks!

GreySage

@EnderLook Maybe in your game, I'm going to make Lucerno, the transdimensional lich with a monopoly on candles, a recurring character in my game.

Ender Look

Great!

Mike Q

New idea for my next one shot: 5e rules, but no combat or adventuring or dungeon diving. Just merchants and economics.

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ That sounds, and I mean this in the nicest way, awful lol

Mike Q

I prefer the term "experimental"

GreySage

9:42 PM

@MikeQ Sounds like a performance art piece

Mike Q

Players will take the role of innkeepers and merchants who must deal with pesky metagaming adventurers

Prepare for losses as you inexplicably buy a bunch of battle-worn junk at half market cost

Xirema

@MikeQ Oh good, we Recettear now.

I call dibs on the role of the Loan-shark fairy companion.

Rubiksmoose

@Xirema As long as I can have the loan shark-fairy

GreySage

@Rubiksmoose You can, as long as you can find someone to loan it to you.

Delioth

Object.prototype.push = function(key, value){this[key] = value}

Rubiksmoose

9:50 PM

@GreySage That is always the trick. They are in very high demand.

Delioth

^ I had a dev earlier try to push to an object (as opposed to an array), so I had to make it possible as a joke

Please never do this in production code

Rubiksmoose

@Delioth It really pushes your buttons eh?

Delioth

Not really, I think it's neat and fun. But modifying the Object prototype is really wonky and you shouldn't do it

Glazius

10:08 PM

@MikeQ New idea for my next one-shot: turn the Collector into a Merchant compendium class that opens on Happy Salesman and everyone starts at L3 with two Merchant advances.

Mike Q

10:34 PM

@Glazius Collector? What are you talking about?

Glazius

11:12 PM

@MikeQ It's a playbook in Inverse World, an alternate setting for Dungeon World.

Mike Q

11:25 PM

@Glazius Interesting idea. I haven't played Dungeon World yet so I dunno how comfortable/capable I'd be trying to DM it

For the immediate future, my plans involve running ~~awful~~ experimental 5e one-shots

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ I think that either the PHB or the DMG says that 'battleworn' junk is more or less valueless ... I've had DM's rule 10% up to 1/3 to "destroyed, worthless" . The "Half" for selling back gear is new stuff, Adventure League, when you first start out.

Mike Q

Even if it's not heavily worn, it's still used

"Oh boy, this now-dead kobold was wearing armor worth 75 gp. Let's take it back to town and sell it to someone"

GreySage

@MikeQ The value of the armor depends on how the kobold was made "now-dead".

Mike Q

Maybe most businesses in D&D operate like pawn shops, and will buy and sell whatever the adventurers want

Pawn Stars: Baldur's Gate edition

BESW

[joins new RPG chat group on Discord]
Chat group: the d20 System games are the absolute best! There's so much mechanical variety between D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder and d20 Modern, and they all support great character-driven storytelling!
[backs away slowly]

Ender Look

11:47 PM

How much cost a block of incense? Dndbeyond doesn't know

Mike Q

@BESW Back away faster!

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