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3:00 PM
I'm really liking this idea - and I get to write a story!
 
@ShadowKras which game?
@Shalvenay was it like just a signup table with characters of a certain level? Was it for 5e organized play or something else?
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith signup table, we made 1st level chars at the table. definitely not for organized play -- I had my extant 5e homebrew dungeon out, and it went quite well (even though that party got the dubious honor of setting off the dungeon's fire alarm for the first time)
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith fantasy age is the system for Dragon Age RPG
 
@ShadowKras huh, looks like a kinda interesting system now that it's separated from the Dragon Age setting
 
what a medicore setting
 
3:10 PM
yeah the setting didnt catch me at all
 
theverge.com/2017/5/16/15646544/… This is the best news I've heard all year.
 
So its no longer sonic?
 
Sonic's still a playable character. There's even time travel involved, so you have two different Sonics to play.
It's kind of bonkers.
 
@JuneShores Uh oh, time travel.
 
the only positive things I can say about the Dragon Age world is it actually takes a fairly nuanced view toward religion in your conversations with Leliana and alistar
@JuneShores you're discussing the wrong sonic sir
 
3:19 PM
And then there's the Qun.
 
@Yuuki Yeah, the just use it as an excuse to bring the old school Sonic design back.
@JoshuaAslanSmith Not a sir, thanks.
@JoshuaAslanSmith Which Sonic should I be discussing? Because I don't think I can discuss the comics right now without crying.
 
Depending on the universe 'sir' is gender neutral. But then again I do love me some BSG
then again... I suppose there are other reasons other than gender to not be a sir. I certainly wasn't one when enlisted :D
 
Sonic Mania does look awesome. But... character creation.
 
heh
the zone design and new mechanics feel super fresh and appropriate
the wild west level theyve shown off looks super great
 
3:23 PM
So its like playing an emulator with all 3 (4) classic sonic games?
 
Sonic had pretty good level design when I was a kid, too. When most platformers of the time had linear levels, the branching factor in Sonics was out there. Sadly, it wasn't equally true for all levels, but oh well.
 
@ShadowKras its a similar design aesthetic as the original genesis games (branching paths at different levels that rejoin and cross over, speed and slow down for tricky platofrming )
theres some new stuff like the jump dash
basically you jump and on landing as a ball surge forward
to get momentum right away
 
That does sound cooler than character designing on a new 3D sonic
personally, i enjoyed sonic 4
both 2D and 3D levels
here is a nice list of stress mechanics (darkest dungeon) for d20
 
@ShadowKras the tl;dr is awesome.
 
3:40 PM
Yeah, it looks pretty dang nice, but I'm a sucker for character creation.
 
@JuneShores heheheh
 
@ShadowKras yeah sonic 4 and sonic generations were actually enjoyable
compared to most modern sonic games
@doppelgreener do you know how much I love "aw yiss"
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith i have some idea now you may like it at least a little
@JuneShores did I show you those item enchantment lists?
 
@doppelgreener Nooo, what is this?
@JoshuaAslanSmith My favorite Sonic games are Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush.
 
3:51 PM
@doppelgreener but yeah thats my attitude toward rep
@JuneShores Dont think ive played either of those
 
@JuneShores link at the top of this:

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@doppelgreener Thanks!
@JoshuaAslanSmith They're so good. Sonic Advance is for the GBA and Sonic Rush is for the DS.
 
yeah I figured they were handheld titles
my last handheld was a GBA (no back light)
this all reminded me of Kid Chameleon, now that is a childhood property I wouldnt mind see get a reboot/update
 
Kid Chameleon was so good.
 
a whole lotta style
also the complexity in the meta map of levels and pathing really unique at the time and still
 
3:59 PM
Comix Zone was fun, but brutal.
 
as a kid I had total anxiety about the wall of death levels in Kid Chameleon
yeah I remember hitting like a brick wall in level 2 as a kid and not being able to figure it out (comix zone)
 
The walls of death were terrifying.
 
@JuneShores I just realised that I follow you on G+ even though I know I didn't search for you specifically. It dawned on me when I saw your post and your name here in the space of seconds
 
@eimyr Oh hi!
 
the internet is a small place
 
4:02 PM
@eimyr herro
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Hi, I was jsut lurking as always :D
@ShadowKras It's terrifying
 
True story: i knew my first gf about 5 years before we actually met in real life, and we only realized so when looking through some old screenshots of hers that had me on the same chat room
i was like "hey, thats me"
 
was she like "OMG I hated that chat user"?
 
yes
 
@JuneShores so, um, yeah
 
4:06 PM
@eimyr What name would I know you as?
 
It's the one you can't pronounce
got it?
I'd appreciate not posting that
 
just guessing the pronounciation
 
yeah, I don't generally use my name over here
and you were really far off :D
 
how do you pronounce that t character?
 
well, not too far off if you're anglophonic
like a w, in "water"
 
4:12 PM
really?
 
@eimyr It's the one I can't evern search for in my old e-mails, I'm so bad at correctly remembering a string of three letters it contains =)
 
oh yea, W is V
 
indeed
 
Sorry, I didn't get it. I was in another tab.
 
yea i messed that
 
4:13 PM
Thanks.
Oh, I think I've seen you around.
Small world.
 
@nitsua60 both my names have something weird upfront, wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even have those characters without adding extra languages
 
I get about as close as "I think his last name was kinda like Pope John Paul II's surname...?"
 
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Q: When an answer is *only* a frame challenge, is it appropriate to point it out?

markovchainI left a comment on an answer which I believe is only a frame challenge to the question about imposing a "Limit Curse" on a player. This is what I said in that comment: This answer is only a frame challenge, and therefore it does not answer the question asked. You are supposed to answer the Q...

 
@JuneShores I'm not a frequent poster though, especially recently
 
@eimyr actually im brazillian, but was trying to make it sound english
 
4:14 PM
@nitsua60 makes sense, though they are completely different semantically and pronunciation-wise
 
@eimyr That's fair, neither am I.
 
Wojtyla? We pronounce it "voyteela"
 
Woy tyh wa
 
Also, @eimyr used to look much more like a Space Invaders-style Cthulhu avatar, as opposed to their current "magical realism" one =)
 
the "y" is a hard, voiced, sigh-like
oh right
I need to change it
 
4:16 PM
hey there again @eym
err hey there again @eimyr and hey as well @nitsua60
 
hiya
 
how're things going?
 
@eimyr i dont think english has a specific word to replace the y sound
i could be wrong though, "ee" sounds close enough
 
nope
 
4:19 PM
@Shalvenay grading students' special relativity problem sets. Time is dialating....
 
as are your eyes, @nitsua60?
 
@Yuuki lolfigsl =)
 
how does google sound pronouncing woytyla?
 
@nitsua60 heheh. still working on dungeon layout over here. also, reading up on HF radio propagation
 
4:20 PM
as of now, I have a two-level layout with a canal system connecting small clusters of rooms (with the clusters mostly isolated from each other)
 
oh thats completely different of how we pronounce it over here
his name got translated incorrectly
my neighbor next door is a clinic that got his name, and nobody can pronounce it (even the incorrect way i was doing)
 
such an effective mechanism to keep him imprisoned!
 
@ShadowKras That happens a lot. I have a hard time when calling my bank or anything really
 
@Yuuki that's pretty funny. Years ago when my lab was a puppy she'd escape through the slots in our metal fence. I went with the chicken wire solution. Ugly, but effective. she'd have just figured out a way to eat the spoon.
 
4:24 PM
(I live outside of Poland, in an anglophone country and no one knows how to pronounce either of my names)
 
you should probably get a pseudonym, like a pen name
 
@NautArch That's when you tie the small dog to the underside of a bigger dog.
 
@ShadowKras Joe Schmucks
 
not sure how the laws of pseudonyms go over there, but here your fake names are as good as the real names if registered properly
 
nah, screw that, I'm not bowing to the anglicisation of the world. My name is what it is and people will just have to cope.
 
4:26 PM
oh i know, make a business cards that on the back goes "and this is how you pronounce it"
 
that would be a bit petty
 
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 
my domain name is a nice english one though\
@JoshuaAslanSmith I'm trying to formulate design principles, should be able to bother you with it within a couple days
 
@eimyr cool
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith mind if we talk some in the NAB, or is now not a good time?
 
5:03 PM
hey there @Anaphory
 
yay, my avatar updated!
finally
 
@Magician that is a fabulous twoot
 
@doppelgreener Tweet, v, (twoot, twidden) - to amuse people on see. Twitter.
 
That's a cool thing!
 
Also, go find yourself in the credits.
like, the lot of ya
 
5:11 PM
@eimyr \o/ awesome avatar :D
 
@eimyr i'm not in the credits WAAAAAAAAHHH
 
wait, what?
 
but i caused at least a 50% reduction in the number of bleeding eyes!
 
huh
awright, you're going by greener or some other credit?
 
Also I suggest versioning your book: on the credit/license/etc page, include a line that says "version 1.0.0"
 
5:15 PM
well spotted, BTW
 
why would versioning be important? I don't have a history of this document, I didn't think it was very important
 
@eimyr so that people know what version they're looking at in case you need to patch revise it down the line
 
pssh
 
@eimyr I download this game. You make a correction to it. My friend also downloads this game. We notice the difference and have no idea which version is "right" because we don't remember when we downloaded it respectively. If the inside cover says "version 1.3.0" on one and "version 1.2.1" on the other, we have our answer.
 
5:16 PM
@doppelgreener exactly!
 
Makes sense.
@doppelgreener so about the credit, how do you want to go by?
 
@eimyr doppelgreener 👍
 
with the emoji and not capitalised?
 
hahaha, without the emoji, not capitalised
 
versioning for the win
 
5:20 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith Versioning is always good. If you need it, it saves you a TON of time and effort, if you don't need it, it costs you pretty much nothing.
 
versioning is good for larger projects, I'd say
but point taken
 
@eimyr -- your avatar makes me think of some giant, many-tentacled librarian nestled amongst a vast library :D
 
Semantic Versioning is fine. Stay away from Vanican Versioning.
 
@MadMAxJr Vancian you mean? :P
 
versioning is a good idea for books and such (at the very least they say "second edition" and so on when they get updated); for larger projects it just becomes critical rather than good
 
5:23 PM
Er, that one.
 
@Shalvenay Vatican versioning?
 
and hey there @MadMAxJr
@eimyr lulz
 
Vegetable Versioning
 
@doppelgreener it's called "expiration date"
@Shalvenay I got it on Fiverr. Surprisingly pleasant experience
 
this document is version 🥕.🍄.🥜, print run #🥑
 
5:26 PM
@MadMAxJr yeah...Vancian versioning is how we got into this mess where the D&D editions are almost all completely different :P
 
stay away from that, it's complete nonsense
 
@Shalvenay Oh, hi! Sorry, my focus was elsewhere.
 
@Anaphory np, how're things going?
 
Good, I modularized some code, now I can see far better where it goes wrong.
But I should probably head home now, building is closing soon.
 
@Anaphory always a good thing :D
 
5:39 PM
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doppelgreenerI've come across a question where the querent has some facts majorly wrong, and they seem to be a substantial cause of the problem they're describing. I know that we refrain from answering in comments, and I could imagine pointing out those corrections in an answer. How should I handle pointing...

 
5:51 PM
"versioning is good for larger projects, I'd say" <- back in the day, i versioned my to-do lists on my paper notebook.
 
@Shalvenay Hello from the other side!
@ShadowKras I found an introduction to a sort of calendar/notebook keeping where at the end of the month, you go over the todos you collected in that month and explicitly transfer them to the following month. It works nicely for me. Something like that?
 
@Anaphory speaking of the other side -- the other thing I'd like to try sometime is giving something from the Powered by the Apocalypse family another shot, because I had one go at DW but it was a bit awkward considering our DM was learning the system too :)
 
Sounds good! Anything specific in mind?
 
6:06 PM
either another whirl at DW or a try at Monsterhearts
(the latter likely involving sending my Gnoll floofball from the aborted RL AD&D campaign I was in to college ;)
 
@Shalvenay If you're at all inclined toward its genre, I'd really recommend Monsterhearts over Dungeon World. The game design is stronger.
 
@JuneShores I could see Monsterhearts working...interestingly, especially with a Gnoll for a character (adding awkward physiology onto the theme of psychological awkwardness)
 
@Shalvenay For PbtA games it's hard not to mention Apocalypse World, it's the purest, Bakerest rendition of the engine and the game itself is very good. Otherwise, you can take a look at Night Witches, it's very strong too. Monsterhearts is a quirky game, exceptional even for its niche.
 
@eimyr I don't do the post-apoc thing which is why AW is off the table. Mind telling me more about Night Witches?
 
May 12 at 9:19, by BESW
Night Witches is about the WWII Soviet squadron of all-female bombing pilots, the challenges they faced both in the air and on the ground, and how their sense of tight-knit community was crucial to their success.
May 12 at 9:20, by eimyr
On the other hand, Night Witches is a historically accurate portrayal of the pilots of the 588th Night Bomber regiment, an all-female night bombing division of the Red Army.
May 12 at 9:21, by eimyr
It concentrates on the shocking horror of war and the quotidian anxiety of military life with understaffing, underfunding, sexism and the ever-present NKVD all reducing your chances of survival. It's mostly an exploration of the relationships between the pilots.
 
6:12 PM
@Anaphory yea it was something like that.
 
ah. I think I'd probably have an easier time with DW or Monsterhearts -- Night Witches sounds like a good game, just not quite for me (too close to history)
 
I have heard very good things about Night Witches elsewhere, as well. I was willing to give AW a whirl and have a lot of fun with it even though post-Apoc wasn't on my agenda, the same might apply to Night Witches and themes of war.
 
Has anyone here played Mutant: Year Zero?
 
@eimyr do you think the quirkiness of Monsterhearts would make it a bad game for becoming more familiar with the PbtA family?
 
@Shalvenay Disclaimer: I have not played it. I think that if you won't like the premise you might get an idea that all PbtA games are like Monsterhearts - which is decidedly not true.
 
6:24 PM
@eimyr well, I've had exposure to DW before, so I don't think that's going to be that big of an issue
 
@ShadowKras Yes, I also have the book not 30cm from me now.
 
@JuneShores @Anaphory -- mind commenting on:
2 mins ago, by eimyr
@Shalvenay Disclaimer: I have not played it. I think that if you won't like the premise you might get an idea that all PbtA games are like Monsterhearts - which is decidedly not true.
?
 
@ShadowKras Though I have played it only very shortly, and not seen much of it.
@eimyr What kind of “is like” do you mean here?
 
@Shalvenay This is probably in reference to the PCvsPC play style that the game wants you to adopt. Players aren't out to "defeat" the others, but they are encouraged to play somewhat adversarial way toward each other. This is in contrast to AW, where that only happens occasionally, and Dungeon World, where the game leans toward party cohesion.
 
@Anaphory A lot of people would follow this "logic": Monsterhearts is thematically hipsterish, with teens, drama, love, sex and monsters + Monsterhearts is PbtA = All PbtA games are hipsterish
 
6:33 PM
@JuneShores ah. yeah -- I think that it wouldn't be a major problem for me as I have enough exposure to DW to know that PbtA generally does not enforce any sort of adversarial relationship between party members
 
brb, going to lunch.
 
@eimyr I think I see where you're going, but I also see where DW really isn't hipsterish :P
 
Yeah, if you have a warped idea of what the indie scene is about it's easy to get a feeling that every indie game is going to tackle coming of age issues or mentalhealth/sexuality issues covered in a bit campy pulp adventure dressing
 
@eimyr yeah -- I don't think that's going to be a problem for me
 
@eimyr And if you then start looking at looks/special moves in AW, gendered playbooks in Sagas of the Icelanders and maybe other things as well … (Although that's truely more a case of “these genres have those tropes in there, so of course authors have to make them explict”)
 
6:48 PM
How do I tell if beans are spoiled?
 
@JuneShores Are they asking for the newest iPhone even though they have a perfectly good S6?
 
LOL
 
On a more serious note, I think the float test is most commonly used.
 
@JuneShores usually i look for dots and wrinkles on their surface, or any sign of fungi
 
But that might be eggs, not beans.
 
6:50 PM
Oh, these are cooked.
 
@JuneShores Cooked beans have a shelf-life of around 4 to 5 days.
 
Definitely bad then.
Thanks!
 
unless you kept them frozen
its spoiled
 
Probably less because that time is for "in an airtight container in a refrigerator" conditions.
 
6:51 PM
I guess I'm having tuna salad on my pancakes then.
 
@Yuuki yeah -- you might be able to get a day or so more depending on if you have an insanely good fridge like ours or a meh fridge
 
But did you ask your beans what they wanted for their birthday?
 
Iv eaten beans that were left in the fridge for 3-4 days, but i pretty much cooked them again before eating.
 
They're not getting the Pikachu Edition Nintendo 64 they asked for.
 
If the response was "a Nerf gun", you're probably all right. "An Xbone and a PS4" might be cause for further investigation though.
"All 5e core rulebooks" is debatable.
 
6:55 PM
Are those still $150?
 
@JuneShores -- btw: I take it Monsterhearts is like DW in that you really need a few players to make the game work well (i.e. not workable for a 1v1)
 
They're like $40-60 a book at my local comics store, but I can get them on Amazon for $20-30.
 
@Shalvenay That's true.
 
PHB + DMG + MM will run you about $150+, but somewhere around $70-80 if you order off Amazon.
The price differential is insane.
 
yeah, it really is
hrm...I wonder who we could rustle up for a Stack Monsterhearts game...
(keeping in mind that I'm usually at work during US daytime hours)
 
7:01 PM
@Shalvenay Damn!
That'd be a thing I'd like, but as usual I'm overly busy with all sorts of different things
 
@Zachiel of course :/
 
At least you don't have to have me at that table. All times I played MH I was the less incisive player at the table.
 
I've heard good things about monster hearts.
 
@Zachiel I'm not expecting anything particularly awesome out of myself playing Monsterhearts anyway :P (although a floofy, genderswapped Friar Tuck figure adding to her studies would make an interesting humor piece in context I reckon)
@JuneShores -- how many sessions would be good for a short-form Monsterhearts game for that matter?
 
7:17 PM
@Shalvenay I just did a read-up and I'd have to say however many it takes for me to end up with Taylor Lautner.
 
@Yuuki hahahaha
(although you'll have to fill me in a bit more on the reference)
 
He's the werewolf guy in Twilight.
 
@Yuuki ah :P
 
I was going to say Robert Pattinson (Edward the sparkly vampire), but I can't say Shovel Face's name with a straight face.
 
@Shalvenay I've mostly played one shots, but there's instructions in the book to go for a finale when a player takes their fifth advance.
 
7:19 PM
@Yuuki haha
@JuneShores ah. I think a one-shot would suffice for the most part though, no?
 
@Shalvenay Yep, that's right.
 
that helps I'm sure
I'd think we'd want voice chat at least and not just text for playing it, though?
 
7:44 PM
this feels nostalgic (hexen/heretic).
 
7:58 PM
@Shalvenay Oh, definitely. The information bandwidth difference between chat & voice is pretty big.
 
@JuneShores yeah, I noticed it that even with voice, DW was a bit choppy
 
8:13 PM
@AnneAunyme There are so many different things called Labyrinth, it'd be very difficult for me to figure out which you mean.
 
@JuneShores -- would you be interested in running a Stack Monsterhearts game for that matter? it seems like there's at least some interest :)
 
@BESW A game called Labyrinth. And here I was already thinking about the movie with David Bowie.
 
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 
Just checking in for a moment, heading over to aviation again.
 
@KorvinStarmast ah :)
 
8:16 PM
@Zachiel If I search "labyrinth rpg" I get a digital collectible card game dungeon crawler. Which seems... not quite right, since it's in response to my saying I'm interested in playing more RPGs which use a standard deck of playing cards.
 
@Shalvenay It depends on the number of sessions, but I'd be game.
 
@BESW I can only suppose it's another game, or the "standard" part didn't pass.
 
@JuneShores alright then. perhaps it'd be best if we discussed times starting next week when I'm back to my normal schedule?
 
@Shalvenay Sounds good to me.
 
also hey there @Zachiel -- does roughly 24h from now work for you still for our dungeon, or would you rather do it sooner?
come to think of it, that 24h from now time might not work for me
 
8:27 PM
I'll be doing rehearsal then
And I'm just cursing people who said "we're back to your location in the game tonight, we can finally play together" that turned into "yes, but only after dining". At 10 PM.
 
Heads up to our UK fans: Pre-order Dresden Files Accelerated from @leisuregames_uk and avoid overseas shipping: https://leisuregames.com/collections/pre-orders/products/dresden-files-accelerated-complimentary-pdf-preorder
 
@Zachiel ah
and hey again @WeirdFrog
 
Hey
 
[wave]
 
how're things going?
 
hey there @Pixie!
 
Yawp!
 
Hey! I'm on my phone, so responses may be slow.
 
np. what's been up?
 
Not too much, really. For you?
 
8:36 PM
not much here
been working on a second, combat-heavier, 5e dungeon to go into my standing dungeon portfolio along with the first one I created, which is being tweaked as well
 
Oh, I do have a quick question. I remember we used a calendar type thing to set up times we were free to RP. What site was that?
I'm trying to set up some video streaming for a group across several timezones. :P
Ah, cool. Good luck with it.
 
trying to figure out dungeon layout at the moment
 
@Pixie I know of whenisgood and fasterplan
 
@Zachiel Thanks, I'll check them out!
Darn, my connection is getting bad. I'll stop back in later.
 
8:55 PM
Your phone's autoconnection autocorrection is also getting bad :p
 
hey again @nitsua60
 
9:28 PM
hey there @Hypersapien
 
Hey
 
how're things going?
 
@BESW Moose and Ray Guns
 
@MadMAxJr Sadly the actual movie serial is about Russians putting secret missile bases in Canada, no aliens at all. But that won't stop us.
 
Russians and Mounties
A different kind of D&D
I wonder what the four key classes of Canadian are.
Mountie, Lumberjack, Ice Fisher, Quebecois.
 
9:38 PM
Don't forget Heartthrob.
 
I think that's a prestige.
Also the rules for Quebecois are only written in French.
 
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@MadMAxJr In proper quebecois french, none of that France french stuff :P
 
Question. What would you think of a DM who made a decision to completely incapacitate one PC for the entire first session of a new campaign without giving the player a heads up?
 
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@Hypersapien I'd feel really let down if it was my character, it would feel like I wasn't included/wanted
 
@Hypersapien ...why? did they even state a reason? and what were the other PCs doing at the time?
 
9:42 PM
Not my character, my girlfriend's character. We're both in the same game together.
 
@Hypersapien I would wonder why? Was it really necessary?
 
The session was split up into two scenes. In the first, as soon as combat started she was grabbed, and for the first half of the battle she was being dragged off the map.
In the second scene, we were rescuing her, while she was under some kind of suspended animation.
Her character seems to play some kind of pivotal role in the campaign.
 
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That feels really weird. Did the DM explain it?
 
yeah, it does strike me as odd as well
 
No. She was kind of annoyed/disappointed that she didn't get to do anything other than try to break the grapple that it was decided ahead of time she wouldn't be able to.
 
9:46 PM
was the grab some sort of deus ex machina on the DM's part for that matter?
@Hypersapien that is strange. what system and how is her char built?
 
Dragonborn teleported in beside her, so yeah.
D&D 5
Half elf druid.
 
hrmmmmmm
intended to be a Land or a Moon druid, or is that not decided yet?
 
I'm not sure.
 
what sort of STR and DEX are we talking here?
 
I don't know. I haven't really looked at her character sheet.
 
9:49 PM
hrm. I'm trying to figure out how much of a chance her character could have had to break the grapple were it not preordained
 
Like I said, Dragonborn.
Red dragonborn, so fireproof.
Which she tried.
I'm thinking the color might have been tailored to whatever element spells she had.
 
@Hypersapien that doesn't say too much. I've seen D'Born Sorcs come out fairly wimpy on STR, and built half-elves with hard STR opts
 
Awesome typo of the day: The Dreadwinner.
 
Well, we did get her back (and my character got a cracked jaw in the process) so she'll hopefully be able to do stuff next session.
 
OK. yeah. it does smell some but I suspect intro flubs are not uncommon in campaigns (I've been in two so far where the opening events involved the whole party being captured, but that was more agreed-upon-ahead-of-time)
 
9:54 PM
Mmm. It's not a good sign if your GM thinks "pivotal role" means "loss of agency is acceptable."
 
She said she would have been ok with it if she had at least been told ahead of time.
What with it being the first session and all.
 
That's not the fun "main character" kind of pivotal role, that's a pivotal role the way the Maltese Falcon or the Death Star plans had a pivotal role.
 
@BESW yeah. if the DM is trying to make the char out to be some sort of MacGuffin, that's a problem
 
She used that exact same term
"I don't like being a MacGuffin"
 
may I ask the gender of her char? (kind of trying to figure out if the DM's being rather clumsy with another trope too)
 
9:58 PM
Female
 
...figured as much.
MacGuffin + damsel-in-distress is a relatively classic trope combo AIUI but neither of them are fitting for PCs in a RPG
not without some serious understanding going in
 
She was trying to burn down the place they were keeping her until they cast a spell on her.
 
There's a common smell test for character empowerment: does the character go to places, or is she brought to places? Failing this doesn't always indicate a lack of plot agency but it's a good warning sign--especially in games like D&D where plot agency is more associated with physical empowerment than social empowerment.
 

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