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user61230

00:33

Not too many people here, but can we get some help from you guys fighting spam over on Travel.SE?

BESW

← 1 message moved from Fate chat and game room

user61230

Including answers.

Miniman

@Emrakul Is there any atm? I looked at the most recent posts and they seemed ok.

user61230

travel.stackexchange.com/questions/54138/… ;

user61230

travel.stackexchange.com/questions/54137/which-sit-is-best ;

user61230

00:35

travel.stackexchange.com/questions/54136/… ;

user61230

These kinds of things need to be flagged down.

Miniman

Ah, right. They just looked like low quality posts, but apparently they're an attack on the site?

user61230

travel.stackexchange.com/questions/54115/… ;

user61230

Yes, it's an attack on the site.

doppelgreener

@Emrakul What are our orders, SIR? [clicks heels]

user61230

00:41

>____>

user61230

Kill questions. Get free spam flags. Go nuts!

doppelgreener

Sounds like: crap posts from 1-rep users, spam flag them?

user61230

Yeup.

Miniman

Wow, someone really hates you guys.

Nyoze

I don't have a travel account, so lots of 1 rep spam flags going up lol

Miniman

00:44

@Nyoze 101 rep, surely?

Nyoze

Wait, I lie. 101 Rep, I forgot about the 100 bonus lol

Ben

imgflip.com/i/qfcpq

Miniman

@Ben It's good to give people some idea of what you're linking to rather than just a link with no context.

Nyoze

Seems to be over now. I don't get why people do things like that :(

doppelgreener

(context: we've had incidents recently of links to inappropriate or NSFW stuff being posted without explanation or warning)

user61230

00:46

Not quite, @Nyoze...

doppelgreener

@Ben Lots of Chinese spam. Also, lots of 1-rep users asking for the best tourist destinations, and acting in a circle to answer each others' questions.

Ben

In case people were wondering (I'm not sure if you can see the second image) they were both meant to be a picture of a polar bear "saluting" and "Reporting for duty"

Miniman

Yep, the second image oneboxed fine.

Ben

Unfortunately my security settings here are messing with my upload settings :/

doppelgreener

@Nyoze It is not remotely over.

Chinese spam is still pouring in.

Nyoze

00:48

Yeah, I see now.

I was viewing high rated questions not newest :\

doppelgreener

@Emrakul I've hit my flag limit there.

Nyoze

Out of flags :(

Ben

Tag me in!

BESW

@Ben in

Ben

I think I helped...

user61230

00:53

@Ben Yep.

Miniman

I'm down to my last flag...things are looking grim...

user61230

@Ben Definitely. @Miniman Still a bit to go...

user61230

Thanks for helping out, guys! (It actually does help. Seriously.)

Ben

Is there any way to block this?

user61230

SE devs are on it.

Ben

00:55

Or are we doing all we can?

Right. all good then :)

Miniman

@Ben The individual accounts will get auto-perma-banned pretty quickly just from flags, but it's up to a higher authority to prevent them from just making new ones.

Ben

I think it's slowed down...

I still have a few flags left at least

Miniman

@Emrakul Any idea what brought this on?

user61230

Yeah, devs set a neat thing up. @Miniman This happens from time to time? Usually not like this, though.

Ben

Few more incoming

user61230

01:01

Thanks again :]

user61230

One more.

user61230

(Sorry for the disruption, guys.)

doppelgreener

@Emrakul It's for a good cause.

Miniman

Eh, it's not like it requires much time or effort.

Nyoze

Glad to help where I can :)

Ben

01:05

Only problem is that now our chat is half full of dead links :P

user61230

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Since it's just clutter, I can remove the last block of conversation if you'd like.

user61230

Feel free to hang out in Charcoal HQ, which should pick up most of the spam.

Ben

I am unfortunately out fo flags

Miniman

Me too, but I'm interested - is Charcoal HQ just an automatic spam detecting room?

doppelgreener

Seems so.

user61230

01:10

Charcoal HQ is a room for a couple bots that have a number of built-in heuristics for detecting actionable posts - not just spam (though that's mostly what it's detecting at the moment).

user61230

Any objections to erasing the last bit of the transcript, since it's off-topic spam-fighting chatter?

Nyoze

Burn it all :P

BESW

Wat?

You mean in this chat?

Leave it, it's useful to know about.

user61230

Fair enough.

Nyoze

That makes sense actually lol

BESW

01:14

(Since when was "off topic" a thing here anyway?)

3

Ben

They're not giving up easily :/

Sandwich

@BESW I know right

On topic, ha

Being on topic sounds like HERESY to me

And you know how we treat heretics

We make awful first person shooters about them

Miniman

@Sandwich Huh?

Sandwich

It's a callback to a very very old First person shooter

Named Heretic

Heretic (video game)

Heretic is a dark fantasy first-person shooter video game developed by Raven Software, published by id Software, and distributed by GT Interactive in 1994. The game was released on Steam on August 3, 2007. Using a modified version of the Doom engine, Heretic was one of the first first-person games to feature inventory manipulation and the ability to look up and down. It also introduced multiple gib objects that spawned when a character suffered a death by extreme force or heat. Previously, the character would simply crumple into a heap. The game used randomized ambient sounds and noises, such as...

Miniman

@BESW Incidentally, I think you meant a random random generator generator.

Miniman

01:40

@Emrakul Btw, where does the quote in your profile come from? It sounds familiar.

user61230

Bulwer-Lytton

user61230

It was the... 2011 winner in Fantasy?

Adeptus

@Sandwich It wasn't awful. For the time, it was pretty good.

Miniman

@Emrakul Hmmm, not something I've looked at before. Maybe I've looked at your profile before and forgot about it.

Sandwich

Well yeah it was based on the doom engine

It was no doom though

Nyoze

01:51

I liked the second one :(

Storyteller

man, I went to eat and missed all the action

good show though guys, nice to see team effort

user61230

Looks like the spam should be taken care of for now. Devs found a chicken and squeezed it hard enough that the gods of yore poured forth and crushed the chicken into spam.

user61230

Then ate it.

Ben

Yum

I want chicken now...

Nyoze

I want spam even less now...

@Emrakul Good show sir, I never though it was possible to make me want spam less then before :)

user61230

02:02

eheh, yeah, I know what you mean

user61230

Thanks again, all :]

Storyteller

spam is on the menu at mcdonalds in hawaii...

Sandwich

That... scares me

Storyteller

looking through project notes

Nyoze

02:23

Wow... Remind me not to go to McDonald's in Hawaii :P

Storyteller

spam is very popular in Hawaii, it doesnt poil in the tropical environment

a lot of off grid houses there, no refridgerators

Nyoze

Makes sense I guess :(

Storyteller

i grew up near naalehu

well, for a few years anyway

ive lived in many places, and traveled through more

doppelgreener

02:41

@AlexMitan Did you see those messages I left yesterday explaining my prep?

Storyteller

02:55

so, bigger projects: full rpg system(s), complex board games, complex card games

and smaller projects: simple board game, rpg modules, a simple card game... Id like to get Song rounded out by end of year, at least the Prelude Edition

Song is a deck of cards that are used to play 'Song' (Dragon Song Dream Dancer) as well as several other games, dragon poker (alt poker), dream walk(a story telling game for children), dancing gypsy (a variant of canasta) and a couple others

6 suits, 108 cards, characters, weapons, armor, artifacts, very, very abstract, no words

here is a link to the basic design document, Id love some feedback

docs.google.com/document/d/…

Nyoze

I like the concept of using your deck as HP.

doppelgreener

@Storyteller You may want to enable comments for viewers. Currently it's view only.

Storyteller

if i open comments in that, it gets spammed with immature edits

i have in the past and it was a problem,

doppelgreener

Ah, bother.

Storyteller

your thoughts though?

doppelgreener

03:16

I don't have any to offer right now, on account of having other things I'm up to.

Ben

Could someone post me a link to a D&D 5e char sheet?

Pwetty Pwease?

Jus t want to print one out

doppelgreener

@Ben dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/character_sheets

google "D&D 5e character sheet", get site

BESW

Heh. I was using "D&D character sheet site:wizards.com"

(no 5e because... well, because Wizards makes all their previous-edition stuff more obscure.)

Ben

Thank you :)

BESW

> Both sides now. You can use Notice to see the other side of solid objects (but just their other sides, not anything beyond them).

doppelgreener

03:22

@BESW And, per tradition, hosts a regular link burning every few years. No link may survive intact!

Storyteller

@BESW what is this game with posting songs and stuff they do?

you do it all the time

Nyoze

@Storyteller Fate

doppelgreener

@Storyteller BESW and I sometimes dump Fate stunts into chat that we make up on the spot.

BESW

@Storyteller The song title thing is only as of Monday:

yesterday, by Nyoze

I want to make a Fate party based on a band now, and have the stunts named after song names..

Sandwich

@BESW That would be great for seeing whats on the opposite side of a wall

BESW

03:26

@Sandwich Or reading an upside-down paper.

Nyoze

Obligatory Morning response to the Morning Thief :)

Read a scroll without unsealing it :)

Magician

@Nyoze Greetings, supplicant. Your offering is acceptable.

Sandwich

@BESW Or reading a closed book

BESW

But not files in a folder.

Nyoze

@Sandwich Would it work for a closed book? The other side of the book would just be the back cover. Maybe the inside jacket if you're generous?

BESW

03:27

Because a book is all one object, and each page is a side; while a folder with loose papers inside isn't the same object as the papers.

Sandwich

Right

Nyoze

Okay then...

Sandwich

You COULD read the info inside of a bound up data packet though

BESW

@Nyoze This is one of those "worded to inspire amusing applications during play" stunts.

Nyoze

What about a binder with plastic covers and the files inside?

True :)

Storyteller

03:28

you get Enter Sandman?

doppelgreener

> Just another brick in the wall. You are absolutely better at disguises (Deceive) than any human, but you're weak against [something or other]. Also, you get a +2 to Create Advantage with Deceive in creating disguises for people.

Be warned: that music video has creepy imagery.

Sandwich

Bohemian Rhapsody

Storyteller

and I recommend Cinder Alley and Splinters by 16 horsepower

BESW

> Enter Sandman. You can use Physique to squeeze through very small spaces by turning into a pile of animate sand.

Nyoze

Yeah, well... It's pink floyd. :P

Sandwich

03:29

I don't really have a stunt description for Bohemian rhapsody

Storyteller

A Perfect Day to Chase Tornadoes

Sandwich

It'd probably have something to do with confusion though

Nyoze

Does it need a stunt description?

BESW

(The gimmick is, it's the title, not the content, of the song that I'm using to inspire the stunt.)

Sandwich

Because that songs lyrics make no sense

Nyoze

03:30

@Sandwich They do make sense. :(

Sandwich

Their sense is widely disputed

Nyoze

It's a song about having to live with the fact that he may or may not of spread aids, and he has no idea.

Sandwich

The song is genius though

doppelgreener

@Sandwich by fools and malcontents

not really though, i have no idea about that. Away I go to a meeting!

Storyteller

Jim White - A Perfect Day to Chase Tornadoes

►

Sandwich

03:31

Is there a skill in Fate that prevents you from getting lost

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Bye!

BESW

@Sandwich That would depend entirely on context.

Sandwich

Because if so the song Circles by They Might be Giants would make a good stunt name

BESW

Why would you be lost? How are you avoiding it? It's gonna be different if you're lost in the woods at night or if you're lost in a foreign-language city.

But again, I'm going purely by title and not by lyrics for my contributions here.

Sandwich

Because you don't need to walk around in circles

Storyteller

03:33

isnt circles by soul coughing?

Sandwich

Oh wait

I think you might be right

Storyteller

mike doughty

Sandwich

I was thinking of Particle Man

Dang

Storyteller

Cartoon Network Grooves - "Circles"

►

best version

Sandwich

Yeah thats where I originally heard it

I wish CN still did cool stuff like that

Storyteller

03:34

so, only comment on my card game was liking that the deck was your HP...

Sandwich

Yeah that was a cool mechanic in some card games

Storyteller

i appreciate it, that was one of my favorite mechanics, that and Cycling

Sandwich

There was a Zatch Bell card game where you put your deck into a little book

And every time you took damage you had to flip through pages in your book

If you got to the end of the book you lost

Storyteller

Cartoon Network Groovies - Meet The Flintstones

►

wait

sry

Sandwich

I remember they made a song too

My best friend Plank

Pixie

03:41

Ahhh, I remember the Groovies. They were great.

Storyteller

youtube.com/watch?v=pyxftLC7gew chick habit, +2 to seduction

Pixie

@Storyteller Ahhhhh I love this song.

Storyteller

one of my faves

i want a shirt that says Mr Chick Habit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQNAZGoZrw

Wandering Star, +2 to concealment or hide

Pixie

I'll be stuck on it and Laisser Tomber les Filles all night now.

Storyteller

cet air la

read the lyrics to cet air la

Pixie

03:48

My French fu has weakened so much. I should really brush up.

Storyteller

i mean in english

but as you will

Pixie

I know, but I speak enough French that ostensibly I should understand this. I have translated several of Gall's songs, actually. It's just been... a while. xD

Storyteller

ah

Cibo Matto - Sugar Water (acoustic)

►

i dont know what that should do... possibly just put everyone in the area in a trance and make them fall in love with you

that song is love

Pixie

@Storyteller I love this song too, haha.

Storyteller

its like.. my favorite of the last year Ive heard

just totally in love with it

Pixie

03:54

I think I actually prefer the regular version, but both are good.

Storyteller

this one is 7 minutes of acid jazz

im not sure about the other

but I love thhe way she says Cam-El

and 'cocnut trees'

coconut

Pixie

Have you heard it? Regular version if not (and for any curious).

Storyteller

k. after this I blow your mind.

Tokio Hotel - Girl Got A Gun

►

this is possibly the most wacked out video I have ever seen, except maybe muscle spark

warning, this is graphic and loud speed metal

Maruosa - Muscle Spark

►

doppelgreener

@BESW I feel like this could actually be done (terribly) using Markov chains.

Pixie

But blowing someone's mind is most easily achieved via a bomb on their head! Jet Ninjin is a great song and great video.

(The song is about a super-speed jet carrot soaring through the sky that everyone claims to have seen. Ultimately, someone just misheard the name of a band called Jitterin' Jin.)

@doppelgreener I would love to see this.

Storyteller

04:10

@Pixie very nice!

doppelgreener

@Pixie Well let's see... essentially a generator has a formula, breaks those formulae up into phrases, and reassembles those phrases randomly. So a random random generator generator could pick a random source material, look for useable phrases, and build a generator which assembles them in a unique random manner.

Miniman

@doppelgreener But there's different ways to do that, so you might need a random random random generator generator generator...

Storyteller

Rare Earth: Get Ready... whatever you were goingto do, now happens 20 minutes later...
Preparate!

Rare Earth - Preparate (Get Ready) FULL VERSION!!

►

doppelgreener

@Miniman It'll be generators all the way down!

This April March Chick Habit album is superb.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Her voice is so adorable. TwT

doppelgreener

04:25

@Pixie It is!

Pixie

And ye-ye is fun.

I Was a Ye-Ye Girl (bikini-ish costumes in this).

trogdor

ye ye?

Pixie

@trogdor A bouncy French pop style in the 60s. The Chick Habit song posted before is an English cover of a ye-ye song.

trogdor

ah

doppelgreener

@Pixie That was a fun song. :D

trogdor

04:38

for a minute I thought maybe that song was going to go up through the 70's and the 80's too because it switched to color

doppelgreener

[returns to April March - Caribou]

Pixie

The name ye-ye (technically yé-yé) comes from "yeah yeah," 'cause that's what people would yell.

trogdor

it was still good, I just thought it would do the thing

Storyteller

Skrillex - Bangarang (Cello Cover)

►

this guy is pretty good

into lindsey stirling as well

Nyoze

She's amazing, I love her :)

Speaking of, time to go listen to Shatter Me and get some shopping done :)

Storyteller

04:41

ha, one of the best!

im headed for the faucets myself, see you all in a bit

oh, hey does 'Sail' as well, its boss

user61230

Heh, it's been a while since I've been here. How's everything been over here?

user61230

[waves]

Miniman

@Emrakul [waves]

Pretty normal, although we had an unusual case of solicitation this morning.

Some guy being like "Spam flags plzzz"

doppelgreener

@Emrakul You were in here just earlier!

Someone has neuralised you...

user61230

@Miniman Wow, what a jerk.

user61230

04:46

@doppelgreener I wasn't, I swear! [hides]

trogdor

@doppelgreener lol

Storyteller

05:00

so, good site for playtesters and feedback?

i think Iwill make that an actual SE question

user61230

Mm. That's liable to be put on hold as primarily opinion-based or too broad.

Miniman

6

Q: How do I find playtesters?

Obviously the first tester group would be your own group. But beyond that? It would seem to make sense to have at least more than one group test out your game, as different groups want different things and play differently. Fresh eyes find different bugs, etc. etc. Are there resources out there ...

5

Q: Where can I find online playtesters to test encounters before presenting them to my group?

I'm setting up the end of my campaign and I have 4 "mini-boss" fights (& Final BOSS fight) that I'm trying to make extremely tough but also winnable. I don't want to just slaughter my PCs after all their hard work to get here but I also don't want to just spend the whole fight pulling my punches...

dnd-3.5e gm-preparation online-roleplaying playtesting

BESW

Game Development is specifically for video games...

Miniman

7

Q: Creating my own RPG but having a hard time. Need advice

I've been playing tabletop RPGs for 20 years and I finally mustered the courage to create my own RPG. The problem is that I've gotten very discouraged as of late. I asked my local gaming community and friends if they would review what I had so far and give me feedback. It's been two months sinc...

game-design

(I'm done, I promise.)

Storyteller

ok, i might get flagged as duplicate, funny, none of those came up as I was typing

BESW

05:03

Board & Card Games includes development in its aegis.

Storyteller

cool

damn, question already voted down :(

doppelgreener

@Storyteller You asked it without capitalisation, and asked about stuff that's entirely off topic for our site.

BESW

@Storyteller Even within a single RPG system there's a big difference between sources for, say, adventure module feedback and class design feedback--and we have no idea what "good" means for you.

doppelgreener

Both in combination look a bit worse than both together.

Storyteller

@doppelgreener your site? isn't it everyone's? I take you were the downvote then?

user61230

05:13

Nah, the downvote was actually mine. Please don't take it personally, though - it's not meant as a criticism of you.

user61230

The edit you just made is definitely an improvement, but it's still got a bit of a ways to go until we can helpfully answer it.

user61230

Have you taken a look through the questions Miniman suggested to see if those answer your question? They may, at least, help clarify what you're more specifically looking for.

Storyteller

yes. and most of them are... not very helpful, or I get one link in a wall of text

doppelgreener

@Storyteller I was not the downvote. (That's never really a safe assumption to make.)

And yes it's everyone's site, that's why I said "our".

Storyteller

there is good overall advice, but its specific to those questions

Im looking to get a list of site links on that post

or other resources

user61230

05:16

Ah, then you may be looking for something Stack Exchange isn't designed to provide.

Storyteller

Emra said it was his

I think its a perfect thing SE could provide

Pixie

SE doesn't do list questions, generally.

Storyteller

ah

seems odd

Pixie

37

Q: Why are "shopping list" questions bad?

My question was closed for being a "shopping list question", even though it was absolutely on topic and programming related. Why?

support stackoverflow questions closed-questions faq-proposed

Not RPG.SE, but I think the answer there is just as appropriate to us.

Storyteller

ah ok

i see what they mean, things get outdated and change

like you couldnt list theForge, because its defunct now

doppelgreener

05:22

It's not so much the links breaking that's a problem here (we have lots of tool-recommendation questions that can be quite vulnerable to link rot), it's the whole "endless list where everything's about right and there's no actual solution and voting's irrelevant" thing.

Storyteller

so, if Im looking for something temporal or subjective, I should ask in here instead?

user61230

Mm. Even the best list questions become outdated over time.

user61230

That's an option. Forums are also another good option.

Storyteller

SE is unique... its -not- a forum, but acts like one

user61230

Yeah, it definitely took me a while to wrap my head around.

user61230

05:25

It's deceptively forum-like in a number of ways.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Yeah, I think this is the bigger factor. It tends toward the "quantity over quality" thing we want to avoid.

doppelgreener

Sandwich

questionablecontent.net There was a shadowrun joke today

I'm shocked

doppelgreener

Stack Exchange is the * in the middle ^

Storyteller

well, I know nothing about digg or reddit other than Ive never used digg and the 3-4 times Ive looked at reddit I ran away quickly

Nyoze

05:38

@Sandwich New comics to keep me occupied, thanks :D

Sandwich

Oh god if you read that from the beginning it will take forever Nyoze

It's not as long as Schlock mercenary but its LOOOONG

Storyteller

QC is pretty good

Sandwich

Schlock mercenary is long with at least twelve O's

Nyoze

@Sandwich I have a looooooooooooooooooooot of time at work :(

Notice more then 12 os :(

I read XKCD from the beginning what... 3 times?

I never managed to get all the way through Cyanide and Happiness :(

Sandwich

I like one specific artist from C&H

Storyteller

05:48

ive further edited that question to pertain to industry best practices

Tashio

@Sandwich The problem with SM is as soon as you finish reading it you end up starting all over again.

Sandwich

SM?

Oh yeah

Schlock

Right

doppelgreener

@Nyoze Be ye warned, some of it is sorta NSFW. See the name.

The comic deals with mature sexually active adults.

Storyteller

@doppelgreener you mean immature sexually active robots

doppelgreener

@Storyteller Not having read it, I'm not aware of that part of Questionable Content.

Storyteller

05:56

NSFW questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3015

Nyoze

Is it verbally NSFW or visually NSFW?

Storyteller

verbally

Nyoze

Oh that's fine then.

Storyteller

qusi-safe for work

quasi

Nyoze

You do know you can edit chat messeges, right? :P

Pixie

06:29

This Is Halloween string quartet.

trogdor

oh my god

wow

this is Halloween, yes please

Pixie

(source)

trogdor

October is actually my favorite month

Pixie

Same.

trogdor

even though November and December are right after it

doppelgreener

06:34

@Pixie I like this group :)

trogdor

I think The Nightmare Before Cristmas, Halloween itself, and my birthday all have something to do with it

Pixie

October, aside from Halloween, is fall at its best where I live.

trogdor

I have no fall

here it is "rainy season" and "dry season (he is usually lying to you, it rains often enough anyway)"

(stupid dry season, though comparatively it still is "less" rain)

Pixie

We are humid continental, all four seasons. October is definitely when fall is in its prime, and that's my favorite season, so. xD

BESW

"Humid Continental" is a decent band name.

SPArchaeologist

06:45

Morning

@Pixie I see this and I can't help but think about Animal Crossing

@trogdor England

trogdor

yes, I have had it compared that way

user61230

08:10

I want to play this character at some point (YouTube link).

BESW

08:25

@user2988069 Hi! You'll need at least 20 rep on any one Stack Exchange site before you can type in chat rooms, but you're welcome to hang out until then.

BESW

08:42

Tonight's Kale Week dinner is very simple: mashed potatoes with onion, carrot, kale, and sunflower seeds. Flavoured mostly with garlic and pepper.

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