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Ben Richards

19:06

All the components for my brother's computer are here. As well as my new graphics card and monitor. :) Now I only need to order the Core i5 when it drops after Haswell comes out

Working from home right now

Next to our newly installed air conditioner. :3

allquixotic

@BenRichards you really think prices will drop that much after Haswell comes out? I think with the state of the economy and everything, prices are going to hang firm :(

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Someone suggested waiting. I can, it's not a problem.

If not, then whatever.

:)

allquixotic

prices on Ivy are already slightly decreased from what they were when it launched, but I can't see them going much lower until months after Haswell is out

Ben Richards

It's only $200. I can do that.

I think it's less than a week, so it's no harm done to wait.

allquixotic

only a week? dang... I didn't know it was coming so soon :D

Ben Richards

19:08

Beginning of June.

IIRC, that is.

Yup, June 4.

Haswell (microarchitecture)

Haswell is the codename for a processor microarchitecture under development by Intel's Oregon team as the successor to the Ivy Bridge architecture. Using the 22 nm process, Intel is expected to release CPUs based on this microarchitecture on June 4, 2013. With Haswell, Intel will introduce a new low-power processor designed for convertible or 'hybrid' Ultrabooks, having the Y suffix. Intel demonstrated a working Haswell chip at the 2011 Intel Developer Forum. Design The Haswell architecture is specifically designed to optimize the power savings and performance benefits from the move to ...

allquixotic

don't have the free cash to put in for a new proc myself, though, and I don't really have any incentive to do so for my desktop, since it's perfectly fast as it is

Ben Richards

Aha

allquixotic

would love Haswell in my Surface Pro, just missed that boat, well probably the ultra low volt haswells won't hit until December

Ben Richards

Yeah mine is fine. I only upgraded my graphics card to get four mini-DP outputs. I need 3 to do what I want. Only have 2 atm.

I have Ivy Bridge in my Sony. Works just fine.

But battery, yeah.

allquixotic

"just fine"; but it'd be awesome to get 10 hours of battery life instead of 5 in my 'Pro, and the capability to play high end 3d games on low detail at solid 60 fps (currently getting about 45 in Unreal Engine 3 games)

> Up to double the performance of the integrated GPU. (Haswell GT3e vs Ivy Bridge HD4000)

:(

Ben Richards

19:11

I can do gaming but I don't. I have a computer for that. But it has to be set on low. :P Also, I get around 8-9 hrs with the extended battery. I can pop it on when necessary. That's why I got it.

While it's a bit heavier, it's manageable.

But yeah, of course if Haswell was out, I'd go for that instead :P

@JourneymanGeek Java for desktop is perfectly fine. I like Java for desktop programming, actually. It's really nice, there. Also, Vuze is the best bittorrent client and is Java. :P

allquixotic

I wanted to have something for me to use on vacation in June. I guess next year (hopefully) I'll have a Haswell ultrabook... probably will sell my Surface Pro to recoup some cash to put towards a Haswell ultrabook

Oliver Salzburg

Wow, the Youtube "Report playback issue" process has been streamlined

It's not simply a "Report issue" button :D

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Cool. Or another Surface Pro?

allquixotic

@BenRichards Surface Pro 2 ;-)

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Nice. :)

allquixotic

19:19

then again, Microsoft's hardware division seems to move at a snail's pace

Ben Richards

I got nervous briefly. Was working outside in the sun and for kicks opened the Camera app. The front facing camera was freaking out with artifacts. But going inside it was fine. I guess it could deal with all that sunlight. :P

allquixotic

I'd be stunned if Surface Pro 2 is out before Q3 2014

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yeah, we'll see. At least the hardware is quality. For a software company, they make good hardware. :P

If only Sony made good software, now. :P

allquixotic

@BenRichards I remember seeing "Microsoft Hardware" used like a company name at the top of the old red background website for their mouse/keyboard products

I always thought of Microsoft Hardware as a separate company

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Hehe. Naw, I expect it's just a subdivision.

allquixotic

19:21

@BenRichards it is definitely a subdivision but it operates like a separate company, more or less.... which it won't if hardware is going to become a primary profit center for Microsoft, since Microsoft Corporate HQ will start to put a lot more eyes into Hardware and get it "streamlined"

Ben Richards

@allquixotic I hope they won't mess with a good thing.

allquixotic

Apple does the same thing, they have hardware and software, but the hardware division of Apple has always been the primary thing that Steve Jobs (and now Tim Cook) paid the most attention to

Ben Richards

Right.

allquixotic

but Microsoft traditionally spent most of their time on the software side, and the hardware side was like yea whatever

Ben Richards

Yeah. That's why they partnered up at the outset. Microsoft provided them with software and they did the hardware.

allquixotic

19:22

they seem to have brought hardware up to a much higher level of visibility now, though

Ben Richards

IIRC, Microsoft even helped build Mac OS back then.

Yeah

I think Gates was involved when developing the windowing system for Mac OS somehow.

theverge.com/2013/5/30/4377214/…

I'm looking forward to 8.1

Hennes

Heh

I am looking forward to windows 9

Ben Richards

So will I. But it's a bit early for me :P

I'd like a revamp of the Skype app though. In Windows 8 it's really ugly.

Oliver Salzburg

@BenRichards I like their horizontal scrollie thing that scrolls when you scroll

Ben Richards

@OliverSalzburg Yeah that's really handy. I also noticed that if you just keep moving the mouse past the edge of the screen, it scrolls the start screen.

Though I don't use that as much.

Oliver Salzburg

19:32

@BenRichards I meant on that website

Ben Richards

On my desktop, I installed Start8 anyway, and make heavy use of desktop icons. :P

Oh? I didn't realize.

Oliver Salzburg

Above the "SkyDrive built-in, Internet Explorer and Windows Phone sync" header

Ben Richards

I read it in the News app on here. :P

Oliver Salzburg

Oh :D

Ben Richards

Wow, that's kinda fancy. Jarring though :P

I'm looking forward to onscreen keyboard updates. Onscreen keyboard is only ok on W8, which surprises me, since it's awesome in WP8.

Oliver Salzburg

19:35

I really liked the onscreen keyboard on the Surface Pro

Ben Richards

I do like it better than on the iPad/iPhone, at least. I hate that keyboard.

Oliver Salzburg

The split keyboard is really nice

Worked really well for me anyway

Ben Richards

Yeah, that is nice. :P

Oliver Salzburg

Well, I need to play some Bioshock 2 now! Onwards!

Ben Richards

Enjoy!

Tanner

19:39

Answer accepted today from a Feb. 19th question O_o

First time that's happened to me

allquixotic

21:01

wow

today i fixed a problem that has been dogging my every step for a year

i figured out that cntlm hangs when its stdout/stderr buffer fills up, which is why i had to keep restarting cntlm every once in a while

so i used cmd.exe facilities to redirect stderr to stdout, then stdout to NUL (equivalent of /dev/null)

it freaking works O_O

soandos

@allquixotic what is cntlm?

allquixotic

@soandos cntlm.sourceforge.net

tapped-out

aargh

Chrome ate my saved tabs. :c

Oliver Salzburg

21:32

@tapped-out I have that occasionally. The actual problem being a Chrome process that didn't die properly

So when you open Chrome again, it's actually just a new window

Then I have to kill all processes manually, start Chrome and it'll be like "Your last session crashed OMG"

Tanner

22:12

hm, $400 3D printer... kickstarter.com/projects/pirate3d/…

Oliver Salzburg

22:41

@Tanner I wouldn't know what to print though... other than guns of course

Tanner

@OliverSalzburg xD

My dad's been wanting one.

Tom Wijsman

@tapped-out CTRL+SHIFT+T

Press that right after you start it and notice there are no tabs and also no message to restore them.

Or maybe if you do it a few times if you already did things.

That should bring back the whole set.

Oliver Salzburg

aka reopen closed window

Tom Wijsman

Control-over-my-car + Shift-gear + Take-me-back-to-the-paradise-city

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Tom Wijsman

22:52

will never forget that shortcut.

allquixotic

23:36

Ah, only works in full markdown, not ghetto chat markdown

Journeyman Geek

23:57

@BenRichards I think we have a philosophical/religious disagreement there ;p. I converted from utorrent to qbitorrent, both of which are small and not based on hava ;p

@Tanner: so. fucking. tempted.

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