now with secure desktop it's just silly, because they use tricks not too dissimilar to virtualization to run multiple independent desktops, one of them being for login and UAC prompts and one for normal stuff
@r.tanner.f the keylogger would have to be a kernel module, which would raise a red flag on 64-bit Windows at least due to the driver signing enforcement
any userspace keylogger simply cannot see anything going on in a secure desktop, including UAC and the login
also, kernel-mode code is notoriously hard to write (moreso on Windows), to the point that the only malicious people who would have the knowledge to do something like that would be counterintelligence organizations
@allquixotic dunno about UEFI (may be a problem, if you can't boot go fiddle with bcdboot, it has soem options for dealing with UEFI...), but hardware RAID should be fine...
now I'm getting the Win7 loader, but if I press F8 on the Win8 option I get the Win8 loader's design and even cursor support.. probably have two bootloaders installed now somehow :S
youtube.com/watch?v=HTnL0tfTqTs Ballmer said "developers" and I thought he was going to keep saying it over and over and over for 10 minutes from the "10 minutes developers" youtube video
i know that i can have multiple copies of Windows, Linux, and other UEFI-ready operating systems installed simultaneously with their bootloaders sitting in my EFI System Partition, and have the boot OS partition for each residing in an arbitrary partition within the HDD... but this only works for UEFI boot
no more concept of having only one bootloader in the MBR; the BIOS boot menu can give me the option to choose
some smart UEFI BIOS vendor is going to implement (someday) a graphical "tiled" point and click to select your OS type of boot screen for dual / triple booters
@Bob simulate, but doesn't do anything remotely like it if your BIOS doesn't try to boot your hdd as UEFI
if your BIOS tries to boot your HDD in old MBR mode, it'll start reading at sector 0 and treat that as the bootloader if it's flagged as being a bootloader, otherwise it'll try the first sector of partition 1
so your BIOS has to recognize the EFI System Partition as a true EFI partition and not the windows system reserved thing
@Bob my Asus P8Z77-V will default to booting whichever EFI bootloader I specify as highest priority in the BIOS... unless I press F8 during bootup, then I get a (user-unfriendly, ugly, keyboard-driven) popup menu listing all the different bootable devices and UEFI operating systems recognized in EFI System partitions
the Windows 8 Upgrade Advisor is actually downloading the RTM Windows 8... I thought it wasn't released until October 26? But it let me buy it and now it's downloading it
I just got home from tai chi, had to log in quickly to work to fix something I broke with nightly regressions. Now I guess I'm hanging out here until I go to bed :P
@JourneymanGeek Nice. I'd get it but only the Pro version has a digitizer. And that launches sometime later. And I need x86 so I can run Synergy. So no go.
I'd just get an XT keyboard but apparently they use some old weird protocol and the scancodes aren't even the same as todays' anyway. :P Maybe you could replace the controller board? ;)
That XT was an amazing machine. If only we still had it. The thing was built like a tank.
My Sony is supposed to ship on the 26th. Am I unreasonable for checking it now that it's 12:03 AM on the 26th hoping to see "shipped" in the status? :P
sure, blame the user for not buying 2 8TB RAID arrays and doing a full disk backup. The fact remains that it should just work, period. I didn't pay MSFT to give me the same trouble I can get for free by installing gentoo
When I buy something, I'm a customer, and I have ever expectations. This is not even remotely close to meeting them
lol I tried to install win8 on top of win7 partition without wiping and the installer says the Windows.old thing then says "we couldn't create a new partition or locate an existing one. For more information, see the setup log files."
I'm clicking right on the frakking thing!
That's it, this is the last straw
I'm wiping all my ntfs partitions and installing native fedora 17 on both my desktop and lappy and never looking back
this is a travesty and I just don't need this, I have no real use for windows except gaming which I need to grow out of and for answering stupid windows-8 questions
now the lappy is restoring win7, Hahahaha the restore isn't failing on the lappy even though it failed on the desktop
LOL my lappy is SUCCESSFULLY booting windows 7... Nice upgrade Microsoft!
Windows 7 to Windows 7, a marked improvement, and not bad at all for $14.99
now I'm typing on my lappy on Windows 7... satisfied customer here, at least the installer was able to recover from its fall and give me back a bootable system, although i still have no idea why it froze for over 2 hours with just a spinning wheel thing during boot
Man, this is so cool, it's liberating. I just grabbed a bit of data from my old HDD and then nuked about 400 hours worth of "work" on Starcraft 2 bank files, Skyrim save games, Mass Effect 3 save games, and so on and so forth.
