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1:24 AM
@bertieb totally worth swapping the drivers then ;p
 
 
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2:24 AM
For the big old and wooden at least
 
 
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6:05 AM
Morning
@JourneymanGeek Sure, I'll see what I can find
There's a couple of the "tall thin tower" style that look snazzy
 
 
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7:25 AM
morning
 
@bertieb you never came and got mine XD
 
 
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8:40 AM
@djsmiley2k You have cones? :D
 
yeah he nicked them from the roadworks
 
Oh my, in all those years I had no idea there is a chatroom feature built into stack :D morning o/
 
G'day
 
@JourneymanGeek told me to ask for help here - I has been tasked to put up together a PC configuration that would run a discrete simulation software and I wonder if anyone would have any tips at what to look when building one - not specific components but just general advice if you had experience with similar stuff
 
@bertieb i had a 5.1 setup i was trying to get rid of
still technically am
 
8:47 AM
:o
@internetofmine Waiting for AMD's Zen 2 or whatever it's called coming out on July 7th might be worthwhile if you're doing something parallellisable
 
@bertieb need to run software in N instances where N is basically amount of cores
 
@bwDraco is way more knowledgeable on that though
@internetofmine Sounds like high core count could be handy then!
 
I have been thinking about Xeons, as we tested soft on intel processors so far (what we had available at work), was thinking of AMD due to higher core count
 
@djsmiley2k I still reckon fuel to there would be more expensive than getting sommat local... I do know someone in Rugby though
 
Oh hi!
@internetofmine might help to link the question there
@internetofmine sooooo
 
8:50 AM
@internetofmine Xeons are great, but when I hear that all I can hear is my wallet crying in fear
 
If you don't mind older gear...
 
Depends on budget really
 
there's these strange chinese motherboards that use older xeons.
Could probably get core counts comparable to a HEDT (think intel extreme or threadripper) with a "worse" microarchitecture for a fair bit less money
 
Is the rest of the stuff up to snuff?
 
youtube.com/watch?v=a-bYiqXjrm8 is worth a watch. That's about a 800-900 dollar system for everything but the case.
 
8:52 AM
No point in having a gazillion cores if it chokes on memory access (say)
 
@JourneymanGeek of course, sorry did not want to spam chat with links without even saying hi to everyone first, links here: superuser.com/questions/1452650/…
It is going to be work pc with high-ish budget, so it aint my wallet that is going to cry, basically idea is to first think of what cpu and mobo to use, then fit ram, and some speedy ssd
 
@internetofmine so... these are strange, and partially used...
@internetofmine oh, So... very happy budget?
sads
 
haha no thanks, it does have to to be a new pc, my company will not go for used dodgy partialy used stuff haha
 
@internetofmine Work's paying? Hellooooo, Xeons!
 
@internetofmine Pretty hard to beat a threadripper in terms of pure core count
 
8:55 AM
Or TR I guess
 
@bertieb oh agree heh
i just remembered that's all :D
 
TR does look nice, now just gotta find a multi cpu mobo to fit all the goodies
 
@internetofmine if you're looking multicpu...
probably a better bet to 'just' buy a workstation
My old job used the Dell 7000 series dell.com/en-sg/work/shop/workstations/sc/workstations/…?
 
Thats a good tip actually @JourneymanGeek
 
8:58 AM
they're a bit pricy (in the "call for a quote" price range) but pretty reliable
And we threw pretty insane workloads at them
 
Thanks, that does give me some nice place to start
 
The AMD equivilent would be EPIC
 
We were looking at somewhere around 32 cores from what I have been told
@JourneymanGeek thanks!
 
HP also does decent workstations but we never used those
I think their ones were Z series
And you are going to need server grade processors and motherboards for dual processors
I think asus and MSI do make dual proc motherboards, but there's a ton of oddities in building your own
 
Yar going for a workstation might be simplier than buying bunch of parts and hammering it all up together
Thanks guys, surprisingly, you were very helpful :D
 
9:03 AM
snort
I recommended this place for a reason ;p
 
Surprisingly?!
Our honour has been besmirched
removes glove
Sir, I demand satisfaction!
 
@internetofmine a lot of folks here are hardware geeks, or have had experience working with neat hardware.
hands @bertieb a yorkie
The chocolate, not the dog.
 
@JourneymanGeek It just twigged what you meant by replace drivers! I'll have a look, see how easy it is to do
 
@bertieb OH
THE NOISE MAKEY BITS!
 
@JourneymanGeek Can I please have both?!
@JourneymanGeek DA CONEZ
(not the cones of shame)
Yea, I'm a bit clueless sometimes
I'll go have a look at the ones in-situ
See what I can do
Any recommendations for where to get a replacement driver / what to get?
Something that matches, but any manufacturers / makes in particular?
 
9:19 AM
the guy xD
 
eh, amazon or ebay.
A lot of folks use a brand called dayton audio
 
@JourneymanGeek @djsmiley2k Ta :)
There's lots of break in the cones, the spongey material has kinda disintegrated btu I could give a repair a try
I would assume that of the two drivers one is high-freqs and the other is low
Aha
Silly question, but if the impedance is 8 Ω, does that mean each driver should be 8 Ω ?
 
9:45 AM
ask on EE maybe?
if no one here knows (I don't).
 
Hmm, might be on topic
Design and repair?
Lemme check
Ah, design really
And not for consumer electronics
 
@djsmiley2k Experts Exchange!?
;p
@bertieb there's a bunch of subs on reddit that can help
 
@rahuldottech Yeah, but Reddit... gestures vaguely
 
/r/audiophile /r/livesound are two that I use occasionally
 
Might have a look
I still haven't figured out if my Reddit account was actually compromised or if something more/less sinister was going on
 
9:49 AM
@bertieb Been super useful for me at times, actually.
 
I know, I know
But it's figuring out which bits are useful versus which bits aren't
I'll take a gander at the ones you mentioned
 
@bertieb I think so. Should also be marked on the base of the current driver
 
@JourneymanGeek Not that I can see :-\
 
Damn. That's some old-school kit
 
Right? :D
 
9:57 AM
I suspect 8 ohms each would work
 
It probably qualifies as 'vintage'
Cool
 
@bertieb <matrixing> beautiful
 
@JourneymanGeek Heh :P
To be fair, the cone itself is fine
It's the gasket (?) bit that's gone fudgy
could attempt a gasket repair
 
Won't hurt to try
 
Hmm, not sure I have PVA glue
Need to pop out to get strawberry netting, so looks like I'll be making a trip the general purpose hardware store :D
 
 
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11:28 AM
I, uh
I got some foam
:D
 
did the insurance only leave you with enough money to get a bike?
 
@Burgi that looks just as dangerous, fingerwise
A chap could mangle his fingers on that...
 
sniggers
 
11:48 AM
Har har har :P
You big meanies!
In all seriousness though, trying to lose a little weight, it's dry and even sunny now, only a couple of miles...
There's a lovely elevated cycle path along a disused railway line
Why not bicycle? :D
 
It has a chain
and a sproket
and may be hungry for human flesh
 
Yes
but also no
Though I must confess that when I clean the chain I do feel a little uneasy
Even though I know it's all under my own power
and it won't drag my fingers to their mangled doom
 
wear gardening gloves
 
Something something dexterity
Though that's a fair point
 
actually no
then the gloves get caught and rip your hand off
 
11:54 AM
0_o
It's a bicycle chain I'm turning with my other hand
I'm not sure I have the strength to rip my own hand off
Though if does offend me... there's probably something about that in the bible
Ah yes,
 
Austin 3:16 I think
 
> And if thy right hand offend thee, put on a gardening glove and rip it off, and cast it from thee
Matthew 5:20
Or half past
Either way, it's Miller time
 
Must be a different edition from what we had in school
 
Director's cut?
Featuring behind-the-scenes footage with the cast and crew?
 
Must be
that montage though, maaaan
 
11:58 AM
...bordering on the edge of taste here...
 
I guess so ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek You're right, it has to lose that sax solo
So, I'm going to try to attempt to make a gasket out of this foam, and repair the speaker
er, driver
errr, woofer drivers
Film it and put it on YouTube?
 
I have the right equipment
Buuuuut the inclination..?
 
A problem lots of men have ;p
 
12:05 PM
ಠ_ಠ
I mean, that was funny
 
@bertieb our of our taps had issues with galvanic corrosion
took me about 2 months to get my dad to shut off the water (I have no clue how to do that without the proper tool) so I could install a new one.
Then he broke it the next day ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek do you not have a stopcock?
 
So I spoke to mom
 
@bertieb its one of those that needs a key
 
@JourneymanGeek Welp
 
12:08 PM
yanno odd tap top thing
 
And it looks like I probably won't be able to get a laptop this year after all.
 
Ahhh
 
@rahuldottech :/
I think I found one that works on aliexpress (that site is a menace) and ordered it
 
Like a radiator key, or an Allen key?
 
12:09 PM
Oh, something specific?
 
A thing that fits around a notched post thing
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, it sucks. I've been thinking that I might try and find another remote writing gig.
I wonder if HTG is hiring. Or if they'd take me.
 
Square post?
 
I applied there once. When I was 12. :P
 
I think so
My dad does it with a wrench
 
12:11 PM
Like dis?
 
Yeah,for ^^^
I install a local cut off any time I change a tap though
 
Could be the same as a rad key, then :)
Ah yes, cut-offs are important when it comes to water, or electricity
or especially both
 
@JourneymanGeek So I was re-reading QC. And it's funny just how many of the links in his newsposts below the strips are broken
 
Well the idea if there's future issues, I can just shut off the water there
 
It's to be expected, of course. These are strips that were published back when I was literally a year old
 
12:19 PM
granted, the kitchen sink is locktited in place so...
its not coming out without....
Probably an angle grinder
@rahuldottech yeah
Its been on my reading list almost as long as megatokyo
 
@JourneymanGeek Ah yes, the "I wasn't asking" of removal tools
One step below the "it can't be tight if it's liquid" tool
 
I got the red/high temp loctite clone
I can't heat it loose, Probably can't Yank it loose...
 
@JourneymanGeek Yank it loose, you say
You could try yanking it harder?
Or maybe yanking in a different direction
Sometimes using your other hand can be more effective when you have a difficult yank
 
Its tight
I can't even fit in a basin wrench in there
I have to use my special short wrench
 
Short wrench and a small hammer maybe?
To hit the end of the wrench with
(now that I've calmed down)
 
12:27 PM
No space
And no space for a cheater bar
 
Ah, hmm
I was going to suggest an extender and going L-shaped
 
A crowsfoot wrench with a long bar could work...
butI'd rather the angle grinder from the top
 
12:50 PM
@bertieb was expecting youtu.be/gy1B3agGNxw?t=51
@bertieb omfg they do metal ones? XD
 
Yes?
I've only ever had metal AFAIR
 
At my old house we had a plastic one. You can imagine the frustration.
 
Usually some soft alloy, presumably to stop over-tightening
Ah, yes!
 
@bertieb and the 'it's not in the way if I've moved it 3ft that way' tool?
 
Ah, the sledge hammer
 
12:55 PM
over tightning you say
would cause it to leak constantly you say?
 
Aka 'rapid disassembly tool'
 
feel sorry for the people who brought the house and I hope they had something to attach you say?
 
Argh
Wurr muh dragons 50mm lens
 
fly my prettys, fly!
 
1:02 PM
It's my fastest, useful prime lens
And I have no idea where it is
Can't even remember the last time I saw it
It'll be in a lens bag, in a kit bag somewhere
But where
 
 
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2:26 PM
 
heh
 
2:37 PM
I... I don't think my gasket replacement is gonna work :(
 
@rahuldottech oh man
I remember some of these
 
I did video it though!
So I got that goin' for me, I guess
notification, notification
A notification about a notification?
 
roar
@internetofmine The most cost-effective solution is going to be Ryzen 3000 series, no question. But if this is a workstation where you need server-grade reliability and 20+ cores, I'd be inclined to suggest either EPYC or Xeon instead.
You could consider Xeon W, too.
 
@bertieb but we're you notified?
 
@JourneymanGeek D'oh! I missed the 'notification notification' notification!
Now, if I'd had a notification about the notification for the notification notification, I might have got the notification notification notification
(must... fight.... semantic satiation)
 
2:59 PM
buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
 
@bwDraco which he does.
And looks like he wants something prebuilt
 
3:25 PM
I earned my first gold badge, yay :)
@bertieb :D don't wanna mess more with your phrase, already confusing XD
 
@JourneymanGeek so I just heard someone advocate that Hitler was an avatar of Vishnu
And rant about how Jews will lead to the downfall of the Aryan race?
Shoot me
 
3:59 PM
@CaldeiraG ooo what u got?
@rahuldottech you're listening to the wrong people.
2
 
Also, some people will be idiots, and you can't change that
 
@djsmiley2k sometimes you need to listen to the idiots to make sure you are still on the side of the goodies
 
4:30 PM
@djsmiley2k The Marshal one, raise 500 helpful flags, i'm close to the 2nd one which is copy editor with 365/500 posts edited XD
i don't answer too much so the other badges are mostly at 0 xd
 
4:48 PM
CPU: Onboard Intel® 807(1.5G single core)/847(1.1G dual core)/1037U processors
What the f@#$ does that even mean
This integrated mobo has three onboard CPUs?
Or it's a random chance of being one of those three?
"Suprise lootbox mobo"? EA is now doing motherboards?
 
5:04 PM
Hey, TBG again!
Also, it turns out 3 out of 4 drivers are knackered
I've papered over the cracks, but they'll need replaced :S
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy i dunno but max 4Gb ram?
> 1 X DDR3 SO-DIMM socket
Support up to 8 GB*
oh that says 8 wtf
 
@djsmiley2k Literally cheapest mobo I could find. My dad fried his PC and tasked me with fixing it. It's got some bizarre weird bugs and I'm building a new one and his budget is quite tight.
His current build has a single RAM chip, probably 8 or less GB.
Also his current mobo claims the HDD has I/O errors despite every other PC reading it fine. Which is bizarrely weird.
Maybe the SATA controller is fried?
Hence me looking for a new mobo
Just looked, 4G currently.
A Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
Besides I/O issues it also randomly loses power when it should beep on POST.
So I could either try to troubleshoot random bizarre errors, or build a new PC.
As my personal time is quite short and I'm starting uni again (third time's the charm, huh?) in two weeks... I think it's the best approach.
 
5:35 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy Ah, hope that goes well :)
I just finished my second round, as such I wish you luck!
 
@bertieb So you graduated? :D
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Yus :)
Ceremony was this past Wednesday
 
6:09 PM
@bertieb Congratulations man!
What was your... How do you say it in UK English? ( I know in US English it's "majored in" but here we don't have majors / minors and I think neither the UK.)
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy controller, possibly ram but that'd be weird to onyl effect the hdd, cable...
we don't really have minors in the UK
but if you asked someone what they majored in, they'll understand.
 
@djsmiley2k I swapped the cables and power source so probably the controller. Weird is it does read albeit slowwwwly and with errors, like a real bad HDD.
 
o_O
 
Caption: Not a good way to start the day
 
damn reight
 
7:49 PM
so, how's everyone
 
8:27 PM
It's cold here.
Currently 13ºC even with the heaters on ha
 
 
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10:48 PM
Well, this is interesting... This "algorithmic" approach Microsoft claims it takes to charging Surface devices is showing as a bit of an oddity in the charge rates I'm seeing on this tablet: 1.0C below 50%, 0.7C between 50% and 80%, and 0.5C above 80%.
Clearly, despite technically being able to charge at a faster rate, Microsoft has decided to limit charge speed at high charge levels instead of relying on CC/CV alone in order to extend battery service life.
 
11:02 PM
You can't be serious.
Semi-custom AMD processor solution for a high-performance system? Because I'm not 100% confident about AMD's mobile power efficiency at this point. This might make more sense for a Surface Studio-type machine...
 
11:26 PM
Anyone good with pf and linux? Could really use some help + 150 bounty:
0
Q: How to forward traffic from one machine to another with `pfctl`?

JBisAccording to various other related questions, I have gotten the following command echo " rdr pass inet proto tcp from any to any port 1234 -> 192.168.1.198 port 80 " | sudo pfctl -ef - However I get the following when telneting: $ telnet 127.0.0.1 1234 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to a...

 
11:38 PM
@internetofmine Does it have to be a desktop tower/workstation, or is a rackmount okay?
You have a number of choices. Considering the nature of the application, the safest bet is going to be Intel Xeon Scalable. But this is the most expensive of the solutions available.
Xeon W is a workstation-oriented version of Intel's Xeon Scalable processors. It doesn't offer the same level of scalability, but is probably the most appropriate for your application.
Considering that we're talking about very expensive process simulation software (Lanner WITNESS Horizon), stuff that runs thousands of dollars a seat, your hardware should match.
I'm very, very hesitant to suggest Threadripper because of the oddities with its memory architecture. The Threadripper WX processors are extremely powerful with the right workloads, but it behaves like a 4P server with memory attached to only two of the four processors. On the bright side, it does accept ECC memory, unlike Intel's Core X series.
Not to mention that AMD has new processors on the horizon. If this can wait (and I suspect it can't), you may want to consider AMD's second-generation EPYC processors, codenamed Rome.
Looking at the chat log... it seems like you want multiple processor sockets. How many cores do you need? If the answer is 20 or more, you need to look at specialized workstation/server platforms, because consumer desktops will not be adequate.
If the answer is more than 64, your only real choice is a 4P Xeon Scalable server. You could be looking at six figures at this point.
If the answer is 18 or less, Xeon W is probably the best answer.
 

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