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Bob
1:18 AM
 
1:38 AM
Hmm. I'm trying to find a replacement for my Asus Zenfone 3... But I don't feel like spending more than $750 CAD
Is it too much to ask for USB C, a headphone jack, NFC, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi (AC), decent battery life, microSD storage, etc?
 
@CanadianLuke My Nova 3 has all of that.
 
Argh... Can't be Hawaei (or however you spell it) - I work with people who assume we need top security, and who believe China is out to get us
But otherwise, that foots the bill nicely
 
Stick it in a case, the logo is only on the back ;)
 
I may... You really like it though?
 
Yea, although my one at the moment is given me a hell of a time with the Bluetooth.
 
1:51 AM
What kind of issue?
 
I touched on it on Matrix, but the connection drops off quite a bit with some (but not all) devices.
 
Ouch... That would piss me off... I have bluetooth speakers and headphones all over the place
 
2:09 AM
@rahuldottech post a better answer
We deal with things constructively ;)
 
Bob
(I mean, this isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, but I got pissed off at my phone killing my YT background music so... yea)
@CanadianLuke LG? Sony? Moto?
 
I really liked my Asus Zenfone 3, except the camera is buggered. If it wasn't for that, I'd just stick with it
 
Bob
I'm assuming LG has fixed their bootloop problems since the G4
Apparently LG G7 can be had for ~650 CAD
The new Xperia (XZ3) doesn't have 3.5mm
Ditto for Moto
LG seems to have kept it.
Samsung ticks all the boxes for me but it's relatively pricey.
I refuse to use Chinese phones now, after having to deal with Xiaomi (not too bad with global firmware), Vivo (ewwwwww) and Huawei (blech) firmware quirks. Worse than even old Touchwiz.
Well, refuse to use them as primary. As a secondary/backup/cheapie, they could still work. Just ... not Vivo. No. Just no.
OnePlus might still be good, idk.
 
Bob
I haven't used Zenfone (considered it but ended up going Sony back then), so idk how good/bad their firmware is
 
2:23 AM
I like their 3... As long as I don't run into issues with the camera again
 
Their 3 lasted 2 1/2 years, which is a longt ime for me
 
Bob
But I'd guess, without looking at reviews, that the LG has a much better camera.
Smaller battery though.
@CanadianLuke Just about any phone can be expected to do 2+ years, I think.
 
I don't need awesome, but I need usable
I'm rough with my phones though
 
Bob
Heck, warranty (at least in AU) is usually 24 months minimum.
 
2:27 AM
Only a year here :(
Our politicians don't care about the consumers
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke Eh, up to you. Go to a store and look maybe.
 
Closest Asus store is about as far away as Australia is wide :P
 
Bob
But of the budget-ish flagship phones I'd probably go LG/Sony most of the time.
Zenfone is probably alright but it's also apparently not cheaper (pricier if anything) so there'd be no advantage IMO. But if you're familiar with Asus phones that can be a big plus.
 
I've never considered Sony for a phone... What would you recommend with them?
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke Oh, local carriers don't have them?
...I suppose they aren't overly popular.
 
2:29 AM
Asus, no. They carry hawuaieuei (however you spell it), Samsung, LG, and Apple
Oh, and Blackberry
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke @FMLCat is more familiar with them but I had a Xperia X Performance as a secondary for a while and it's decent. But I mostly used it as work phone (modem + 2FA + emails). That was in the weird period when they were kinda-flagships. The more recent Xperia Z3 has dropped the 3.5mm port though.
@CanadianLuke Do you not like LG?
 
I had a G2, lasted a while, but after the first two years, it slowed right down. Gave it to my dad after year three, he used it for 2 years, then gave it to a friend in the Philipines
 
Bob
I'm not sure how much comparison you can draw there - there was a preeeeetty big change between G2/G3 and G4, and we're another 3 on from there.
I think everything from that time period slowed down after a bit :P
My old S2 and S4 certainly did.
More apps getting more demanding rather than the hardware really slowing down.
~3 years ago is probably around when CPU performance levelled out a bit.
Huawei/Oppo, I'd probably at least make sure there's custom firmware as a backup option.
OnePlus usually has good custom support, so that's good.
 
OK, I think I'm gonna go with the newer Zenfone from Asus. $681 plus tax, I can do taht
Argh, damn taxes... Up to 787
Done... Should be here next week
 
3:15 AM
Kinda funny how phone prices have crept up and PC prices down...
 
Bob
pv </dev/zero >/dev/sda --size 1T
boom goes the hdd
poof goes the data
 
Oo
That's an odd way to do it
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I wanted a pretty progress bar
dd doesn't really have a nice one
 
Bob
 
3:19 AM
Eh. I was thinking the use of shred
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek eh, why bother?
I don't need 56467545685 passes
@JourneymanGeek I may have made a mistake with the server... went for the 9.99/month C2350 w/ 4 GB RAM. The C2750 with 8 GB RAM is 14.99...
still a lot less than the 16 GB option one was, and a fair bit more breathing room
that said this one's mostly storage anyway, so ... eh
 
You can do a single pass of 0s with shred
 
Bob
4:00 AM
@JourneymanGeek Or I could just do it with dd/pv
Hm, it does allow n 0
 
Hmm. Looks like AMD just hasn't designed the cooler on the Radeon VII very well.
Or just crappy manufacturing.
Apparently, the cold plate (the part of the heat sink that makes contact with the GPU itself) can be concave, resulting in bad contact and poor cooling performance.
 
Bob
o_O
That's like... HSF design 101?
@JourneymanGeek Expiration is set at 2019-03-01.
 
4:17 AM
Read on for some caveats (the OP was testing with with fans at max speed) but even so, a defect of this nature in the heat sink is going to seriously degrade cooling performance.
 
Bob
On a related note, anyone want a dedi server for ~10 days?
C2750 CPU, 16 GB RAM. Do whatever you want as long as it's not illegal.
 
And there is insufficient heat sink pressure on the GPU die.
If the problem is this serious, then AMD should issue a service advisory or voluntary recall and repair or replace affected cards upon request.
...and this netbook just decided to kernel-panic on me. First time this has happened.
 
Bob
h2g2_dont_panic.jpg
 
 
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6:11 AM
@bwDraco heh
Yanno @Bob's server might be an interesting learning experience ;p
Even comes with a deadline
 
 
3 hours later…
8:45 AM
morning
 
9:32 AM
o/
 
 
1 hour later…
10:48 AM
wHAT'S occurin on a wonderful monday?
 
 
1 hour later…
12:02 PM
@djsmiley2k "Error ModuleNotFound: "Motivation" was not found" ?
 
Bob
12:18 PM
@djsmiley2k I'm trying to find someone willing to use a free server for 10 days :P
 
@Bob If you let people use it for free, why do you need it to be used for 10 days? You're afraid that some lack of activity will hurt it?
 
12:41 PM
ugh. welp, the Radeon HD 5830 in Magentabox has decided to stop putting video out, again
and it's not overheating this time, either. card is reporting a cool 44degC
was able to get it back with a reboot, but is this a sign that I should swap to my spare card?
 
1:22 PM
 
Bob
@avazula Eh, nah, it's just that I've cancelled it so it'll be gone at the end of the month, but I've already migrated + wiped it so there's nothing I want to do on it anymore. Just feels like a waste to have it sitting there.
 
mine bitcoins... ;)
 
@Bob :D
I could run archiveteam stuff on it
it'll use some b/w and not much else
If I can get it running, that is
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k Sure. Gimme your pubkey?
Actually, I'll just send you the details over matrix, one sec
 
@Bob ha, I understand
 
1:39 PM
@Shalvenay yes
@djsmiley2k archiveteam is pretty trivial
 
2:20 PM
yah
cept right now i'm failing to build the lua stuff
> configure: error: lua not found
/me glares
@bertieb 200 man factorio?!
 
@djsmiley2k I am but one man :D
Ahh, risky joke, probably best not
 
That... that thumbnail
Pls
Clearly anyone who uploads to YT should be shot
cough
 
liol
 
3:12 PM
anyone come across Phusion Passenger?
 
oh god, bob
@bob
D:
I accidently the internet archive?
:d
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k lol what?
 
you can help backup IA
:D
(not actually going to run that as it's kinda pointless.)
or your server can
I am runing the flickr grab, the yahoo grab and the newsbot grabber
> INFO Fetching \u2018https://rmp.files.bbci.co.uk/playspace/js/ar-tn.js\u2019.
 
Bob
o_O
 
wonder if this real file, doesn't look like it
 
Bob
3:23 PM
@djsmiley2k I don't think I have that much storage lol
@djsmiley2k oh yea, I don't know how often it uploads but you might want to make sure it's finished before March :P
 
The scripts upload constantly
 
Bob
ah cool
 
I'm a admin so I'll just release my requests once it's dead
 
Bob
\o/
@djsmiley2k I assume they normally expire after some time?
 
when admin kills em
which happens 'sometime'
 
Bob
3:50 PM
@djsmiley2k urk. feels like it should auto cleanup after, say, a week
 
4:33 PM
@Bob nod, it may do so but some jobs run really long
 
 
3 hours later…
8:01 PM
This is almost an impulse buy. Raven Ridge for $330, anyone?
(Ryzen 3 2200U)
 
8:15 PM
Hello
 
8:46 PM
@rahuldottech Sigh. Bounty hunting again :/
A few downvotes wouldn't go amiss.
 
9:20 PM
@bwDraco $330 + the price for an SSD
 
9:37 PM
@Bob I'd take you up on that except that my exams start in exactly ten days and I don't have time for hacking around :(
@Bob Moto Z never had it. Did the X/G kill it too? :(
Apparently not.
My mom has the latest Moto G and it has one.
 
10:16 PM
@Hennes Yeah. IMO, it would be a great platform for upgrades. I was trying to determine if the memory was upgradeable...
 
It is. Max 16GB
so not much
 
The question is whether there's a user-accessible SO-DIMM slot(s).
It also has a tray-loading optical drive; not sure if it's possible to replace that with a hard drive caddy.
 
Ugh. One might need it to install XP
 
lol
 
I think I used it 3 or 4 times since the XP era
Roughly as often as I used a 3.5 in floppy drive
But given that, at least for me, laptops are things which I use 6+ years.
I would probably go for a Acer nitro 5
IPS (poor for IPS, but still IPS) 1080 screen.
 
10:20 PM
Yeah. I have an external optical drive on hand but I see little use for it these days. The only reason I might need it is to burn Windows 10 install discs or to reinstall Windows.
 
Not too thin (thank G-d)
All my recent windows reinstallations are from USB pendrives
 
10:40 PM
The only real problem at this point is the processor. It's 2C/4T and I'm not sure I can find a configuration of a budget laptop like this (aimed at students) with a faster processor like the Ryzen 5 2400U.
So even if you upgraded the other parts, you're going to be stuck with a processor that may not be as fast as one might like it to be.
 
I used to a 2 core (core2duo).
But that is getting irritatingly slow these days
(Dell E6500)
 
Yeah. We replaced an 11-year-old AMD K8 desktop a few months back (with a Raven Ridge desktop, in fact) for performance reasons.
The IGP on the Ryzen 3 2200U is only slightly faster than Intel's processor graphics solutions in the same price class.
 
11:18 PM
Well... tried zram on this netbook. It is far slower than just using the USB 3.0 SSD for swap even with the zram space (256MB) well under 50% utilization, most likely because of the slow processor.
The KDE desktop pretty much stopped responding and I had to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log in as root to enable the dedicated swap disk.
root@bifrons:~ # zramctl
NAME       ALGORITHM DISKSIZE   DATA COMPR TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT
/dev/zram0 lzo           256M 224.1M 65.1M 68.1M       2 [SWAP]
 
zram is compressed ram?
hmm, lzo. So thatwould be a yet
 
It's a virtual device that sets aside a block of memory and exposes it as a block device. It's usually formatted as swap and used as such.
 
Probably a lot faster than swapping to floppy
 
# modprobe zram
# echo 256M > /sys/block/zram0/disksize
# mkswap /dev/zram0
# swapon /dev/zram0
 
MInd you, I only used that once
 
11:28 PM
The virtual memory compression on Windows 10 doesn't suffer from this problem.
(but requires a paging file to be present; it will not work if you have no paging files)
Bleh. Disabled the swap on the zram device, reset it (echo 1 > /sys/block/zram0/reset), and removed the module from the kernel.
Although there's a pretty significant battery life penalty to using this external SSD (it's an older Plextor model with high load power consumption), it's far faster than using zram.
(it's a 64 GB Plextor M5M, an mSATA version of the M5 Pro, which isn't the most efficient drive under load)
To be fair, this is the oldest of my SSDs, currently in a StarTech USB 3.1 Gen 2 enclosure.
 
Bob
@bwDraco Of course not, because the commit guarantee cannot work without reserved space, and if you must reserve space in RAM (for lack of other options, e.g. a pagefile) then there's no point in compressing anything in RAM (since you cannot guarantee there will be enough space if everything that was compressed is now needed).
The alternative is you break the commit guarantee and allow overcommit, and then either randomly kill processes, or have processes randomly die.
 
Oh, okay. I think I get what's going on.
There's only 256 MB of swap actually available and the system actually ran out of memory. The zram device was in fact fully utilized, albeit using only 68 MB of physical memory.
Got confused for a bit.
Perhaps I should try again, this time using 1 GB?
Trying it now. Disabling the external swap device.
Much better now.
 
11:51 PM
Linux ?
 
openSUSE Leap 15.0.
 
does that have swap prioritisazion? (sp)
 
It does.
 
I know on FreeBSD you could say swap on that device first, then on that (slower) device
My linux is not quite up to date
Slackware 2 was nice
And installed from a dozen floppies.
I think 14 for the N (networking) set.
 
By default, swap spaces have priority set in the order they were enabled. You can set priority at the time you enable them with the swapon command.
 
11:54 PM
So slightly out of date for Linux :)
 
Well... looks like I'll need to reboot for a kernel update.
 
I need to reboot myself. almost 1AM local. Getting up in 4 hours.
waves
 
Bye :)
root@bifrons:~ # zramctl
NAME       ALGORITHM DISKSIZE   DATA  COMPR  TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT
/dev/zram0 lzo             1G 752.4M 229.7M 238.4M       2 [SWAP]
Hmm... Looks like the zram device supports discard (TRIM). That can make it more efficient.
 

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