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12:26 AM
@allquixotic I would have gone "why not a sata to fan connector" but... those are... oddly rare
 
12:43 AM
@JourneymanGeek I have plenty of SATA but I don't have any SATA to 4-pin FAN nor SATA to molex, and I need an additional fan Y cable and another molex to complete the build
 
@allquixotic yup - I was looking for sata to fan and kinda failed hard ;p
 
1:02 AM
load on the GPU only increases the RAID controller's temp to 57 C... which is a good 45C cooler than before with the case sealed
it just needed a tiny bit of air blowing on the heatsink to keep it cool
and maybe some better overall case airflow
 
Bob
@allquixotic it's the difference between being surrounded by 80*C air and 40*C air :P
turns out you can't really cool a 90*C heatsink with 80*C air :P
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lol
 
Bob
sigh
unix.se answers and comments are like a goldmine of windows misconceptions
s/goldmine/sewer/
 
1:19 AM
@Bob I wonder how much of a difference it's made to my case ambient temperature to add one 120mm intake fan (that wasn't hooked up before), one 80mm exhaust fan (bought new - Noctua PWM fan with hydrodynamic bearings)
 
Oct 17 '15 at 1:07, by DragonLord
> This board needs 200 LFM airflow
Looks like you've got your RAID card heat issue sorted out.
Noise levels?
 
@bwDraco yep - I don't even have the Vornado whole-room fan blowing in my case now :D
case is closed up, GPU is rendering and the heatsink is doing its job with a gentle breeze of a Noctua 80mm fan on it
 
NF-A8?
With or without the LNA?
 
@bwDraco without LNA
yeah NF-A8
loud and proud though, not that piddly "quiet please" stuff
 
Bob
@nocomprende you living on a steady diet of motivational posters? — CandiedOrange 11 hours ago
 
1:31 AM
@allquixotic 0_0
 
Bob
@allquixotic the intake would help with pressure (volume), the exhaust with airflow (direction)
fans in pull configs (exhaust) don't usually help pressure much
 
it's funny, only certain fan noise frequencies bother me... the full RPM noise of the Noctuas is almost pleasing, because all I hear is a rush of air, I don't hear any whine or anything unpleasant like that (oddly, even the GPU impeller doesn't whine)
but my work laptop is a Haswell HP Probook with a single, fairly powerful impeller with a straight grill, and it whines like a damn hairdryer
and annoys me to no end because it's always whining away because either McAfee or Tanium or both are scanning 24/7
also the Probook doesn't even have a dGPU... it has an H-series CPU, a single 5400 RPM 2.5" HDD, 2 sticks of 4 GB DDR3, the motherboard, and the wifi card, as the only active components during operation... and it puts out air hot enough to make a pen explode
air hot enough to warm up frozen chewing gum (from my car in winter) to room temp in like 3 minutes
 
my alienware with a dGPU puts out less heat :P
 
@allquixotic HP's mid range stuff is crap ;p
kinda ironically
 
1:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek no kidding
 
@JourneymanGeek I have had nothing but trouble with my old HP laptop.
 
their low end stuff was great in my experience
much to my shock
 
Jan 17 at 3:38, by bwDraco
Back on the topic of laptops... my HP IIRC had its display assembly (bright spots), keyboard (random typing), and trackpad (double-clicking) all replaced twice, as well as a motherboard replacement (damaged Ethernet port), USB port replacement (loose connectors), and even an optical drive replacement (ejecting by itself).
 
I've been pleasantly surprised by the build quality of the Alienware 13 R3
pretty heavy, enormous screen bezels, but the build durability is superb
I guess you can't have great durability and lightness at the same time
 
Bob
2:00 AM
Aw, ever those lazy SE question asking what if I did such and such, instead of just trying it and seeing what happens... — leftaroundabout 9 hours ago
 
he does have a point there
I mean back in the day, we used to slice all of reality in twain, up hill, both ways, in the swealtering heat, through snowdrifts, fighting polarbears with toothpicks...
ugh. I'm hearing really bad sound... out of any output. And its only human voices on youtube
I've swapped speakers, outputs and codecs
 
Bob
2:16 AM
@JourneymanGeek have you tried an exorcist?
 
lol
not yet
..... have I tried turning it off and on again?
I did and that fixed it.
0_0
 
ehhhh, temperature on the RAID card is slooooooooooooooooowly climbing
58, 59, 60, 61 C... about 1-2 C per hour... I doubt it'll get to 80 though
 
Bob
@allquixotic wouldn't that imply the temperature of your system is climbing? :P
 
2:34 AM
hopefully it'll level off.
 
3:24 AM
Does anyone know how to show a backtick in a comment for CRLF for example with Powershell "rn"
Where that should be backtick "r" and backtick "n"?
If I want to show an actual backtick character in a comment or non coded block on a question or answer perhaps I always have trouble with that and wondering what the proper solution may be if it exists.
I poked around Meta and found one post slightly related but not exact answer by David Postill here meta.superuser.com/questions/12054/… but not what I'm looking for exactly.
 
Basically, double up the outer backticks and add a leading space
 
@BenN Your are the man good sir!!
 
:)
 
Actually @Ben you are the man still but it's not a Powershell question as I want to show a backtick character right here in a comment for example, how is this possible in a SU comment?
 
Backslashes and/or extra backticks on the borders
 
3:35 AM
Let me test again maybe I did something incorrect
 
Oh hm, it is a bit tricky
 
Bob
foo` `bar
a ``foo` `bar`` b does that
 
It seems like comment Markdown doesn't do the multiple-backtick boundary
 
Bob
@BenN sure it does
you just can't have a space immediately inside the boundaries
thanks, GCM
 
3:38 AM
Can anyone get backtick "r" backtick "n" to show in a comment here
 
@Bob I'm trying it in the comment sandbox and it does not appear to work
What I currently have there is backtick backslash backtick backtick
 
But adding an extra wrap of backticks kills the code formatting
`` r`n
 
Bob
@BenN a ` b
a ``r`n b
no backslashes
you just can't have spaces immediately inside the boundaries
 
It was backslach backtick r backtick n in my case to get `r`n in the comment
 
3:40 AM
Ah
 
@allquixotic I have the 15R3 and it is similarly built like a tank. It also has super overpecced cooling
 
Feel free to clean up my comments if you want and can, thanks again Ben I appreciate you and Bob both!!
 
@JourneymanGeek you seem to be right. Luckily I've never had to look for one.
I bought a pile or cheap 2-way and 4-way fan splitters a while back. Also have a standalone multi-fan cooling computer and four speed controlled fan ports built into my case
The latter is just a 12v/7v/5v switch run off a molex
 
well I didn't actually want a fan splitter
 
@TroubleMakerChatBroom you're the broom, shouldn't you be doing the cleaning?
 
3:46 AM
it was just an easy way to break out 12V into a barrel connector
 
@JourneymanGeek lol I've just used old molex connectors for that.
 
@FMLCat which is vaguely what I did
guess what's the cheapest way to get a molex connector with wires attached?
 
Also have the opposite, 12v barrel connector to 3/4 pin fan, because I use PC fans for random applications around the house like circulating radiator heat, and power them off 12v lead acid batteries or generic 12v wall warts
@JourneymanGeek pull one out of my draw of old/broken/redundant internal power cables
When building 16+ HDD arrays off 10 year old 400W power supplies I has to Jerry rig something like 4-6x way molex splitters by cutting cables off even older power supplies... Still got a stack of those lying around
 
Nowadays I can easily buy 4-way SATA splitters off the shelf.
 
3:50 AM
that's true
(I originally used it to power my bias lighting)
 
@JourneymanGeek you should see the amount of duck tape that was involved... And the burn marks from accidental miswiring/short circuiting
 
now I use it as a poor man's sense connector for it
I can imagine
 
I believe one I made where I cut off a molex extension cable and wired it to four SATA connectors was taped with brown parcel tape since I had no duck tape or electrical tape handy at the time
Speaking of which, I should probably buy a replacement roll of electrical tape, it's probably time to give up looking for that one I lost two months ago...
 
right now I have... lets see
one mangled up molex to fan, a few of those RC style connectors and those screw on barrel jacks ;p
 
@FMLCat You are right lol, I should be doing the cleaning. I'd be the Street Sweeper of the chat room if they want to give me big boy toys....
I am lion, hear me ..... MMMMEEEEOOOWWW!!! Kitty kitty!!
I honestly knew Ben has special mod chat room powers and he's been able to remove an older comment of mine in the past where I could not... on a serious note as FYI on why I said that in the first place... cheers!!
 
4:06 AM
@TroubleMakerChatBroom well, he is a mod ;p
 
 
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Bob
5:55 AM
The last message was posted 2 hours ago.
 
2 hours later...
!!/tumbleweed
 
And it's snowing - 2 cm so far :)
@MichaelFrank No ;)
 
 
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7:11 AM
Bah!
Tea and scones then, I suppose!
 
user226528
7:50 AM
@BenN Hi. I wanted to know your opinion about something strange in PowerShell. This:
`$EveryBloodyUpdate | Where-Object -Property Products -Contains "Office 2016"`
... runs exactly as it should, but this:
`Where-Object -InputObject $EveryBloodyUpdate -Property Products -Contains "Office 2016"`
... returns empty. Any ideas?
 
8:40 AM
@FleetCommand What does $EveryBloodyUpdate contain?
PS C:\Users\mfra1> $test = @([pscustomobject]@{name = "123";age = "456";date = "789"})
PS C:\Users\mfra1> $test | Where-Object -Property name -contains "123"

name age date
---- --- ----
123  456 789
PS C:\Users\mfra1> where-object -InputObject $test -Property name -contains "123"
PS C:\Users\mfra1>
Same results here.
The issue here is actually explains in the the cmdlet help text.
> When you use the InputObject parameter with Where-Object , instead of piping command results to Where-Object , the InputObject value is treated as a single object. This is true even if the value is a collection that is the result of a command, such as `-InputObject (Get-Process)`. Because InputObject cannot return individual properties from an array or collection of objects, we recommend that, if you use Where-Object to filter a collection of objects for those objects that have specific values in defined
@FleetCommand ^
 
morning
 
@Burgi 'lo
 
.... turns out those '12v' remote/doorbell batteries are a stack of button cells
 
i'm dying, i'm sure of it :(
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek TYL :P
 
9:34 AM
TYL?
 
These ones?
 
I think so
 
@JourneymanGeek whaaaa seriously?
 
button cells are normally small round discs
 
@Burgi "stack of"
 
9:36 AM
i missed that bit
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!! I'M A DYING MAN!!!
 
> An A23 battery is an 8-cell device with a nominal voltage of 12 V.
 
....
> A23 batteries are constructed of 8 individual LR932 alkaline button cells enclosed in a wrapper.
 
OMG I NEVER KNEW
 
sounds right
 
9:48 AM
morning
 
Feb 19 '17 at 7:17, by bwDraco
@JourneymanGeek 8-cell alkaline batteries. These applications tend to need short pulses of relative high voltage.
 
> There's ways to directly apply a windows install to a drive, but none would work from linux
 
@JourneymanGeek from superuser.com/a/1180411/432540
Elaborate please?
 
Apparently I was told, didn't think it important, and promptly forgot
that's one way, though I think its superceeded by docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/…
 
9:58 AM
@JourneymanGeek Cool!!
@JourneymanGeek That requires WinPE though
 
you can do it from a regular windows install too I think
 
10:15 AM
I FINALLY SET UP A PASSWORD MANAGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hi all, I'm a semi-novice computer user and I've run into the problem of the x265 encoding, which apparently my vanilla installation of VLC has trouble decoding
MPEG-H Part 2/HEVC H.265
Decoded format Planar 4:2:0 YUV 10-bit LE
 
@user55789 How so? What's the problem?
 
Playing the mkv container gives vague, pixelated snapshots of the video but audio as usual
 
@user55789 Did you encode the file yourself?
 
No
 
10:29 AM
@user55789 I'd say that you should probably try MPC, although if VLC cannot play the file, it's likely an issue with the video track of the MKV container
 
assuming he's on windows.
 
Yes, that
@user55789 Does your PC have really old/weak specs?
That can certainly be an issue
 
Laptop, core i7-4600U 8GB RAM but I dont remember what specs
Win10 x64
Lenovo T440s
 
@user55789 So hardware is likely not an issue
 
On-board gfx so that might be the culprit
Anyway I've loaded the file into MPC and it plays, and I get video
It's extremely jittery though... (?)
 
10:33 AM
that's pretty new, and you should still be able to load it on VLC
latest version?
hm, what resolution?
 
Everything latest version yea, I updated all of it
1080p
The video file is 24-epsilon fps
But on estimate I'd say I'm getting less than half of that
 
@user55789 24 FPS is bad
@user55789 hm. Probably an issue with the file. Do you have any others to try?
 
Some files play as normal, some don't
I must say the latest win10 creators update causes some troubles here and there..
I had to uninstall chrome and as mentioned some video files aren't playing correctly
Not sure if it helps but for the bigger picture:
 
I had to uninstall chrome because on startup, it would require 5 minutes or so before I could load any web page. Reinstallation did not change anything about that
 
10:37 AM
@Burgi I think I can spell out that video in one word.... "Gurkas"
 
yup
 
@user55789 You should probably ask a question on the main site
With all the symptoms that the Update is causing
 
That is: stackexchange.com
I'll try it
 
no, superuser.com
 
@user55789 No
 
10:42 AM
Okay. I'll type something up later today
Thakns!
 
@user55789 :)
 
 
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12:50 PM
Probably broken vid card drivers tbh
 
Bob
1:46 PM
@JourneymanGeek steam? :P
bleh. I don't think this is a dupe, since the suggested dupe is ... asking a different question.
 
user226528
What is "contrived web activity"?
 
Bob
A web activity that is contrived.
 
user226528
@MichaelFrank Thanks a lot. Good discovery.
 
user226528
@MichaelFrank It is defined as: $EveryBloodyUpdate = Get-WsusUpdate -UpdateServer $MyWSUServer -Approval "Approved" -Status "Any"
 
user226528
I have no idea how much memory it occupies.
 
user226528
1:55 PM
But it is safe to assume it occupies a lot.
 
user226528
I was wondering if there is a way to save an object's in-memory state in a file and then restore it in another computer.
 
Bob
@FleetCommand Sure. Look up serialisation.
Serialization for the funny not-really-English speakers :P
More specifically, a plain old data object can be pretty simply serialised into XML or JSON and restored later.
XML is probably easiest in PS.
If you really wanted to make it fast and small you'd go for binary serialisation instead.
 
user226528
It is always funny to see how the Americans and the Brits mock each other's English for being NOT mainstream. Two nations, divided by the common language!
 
Bob
Hm, apparently PS has first-class support for JSON too.
 
user226528
Yeah. I'm looking into it. Thanks for mentioning "serialisation" and "serialization".
 
Bob
2:00 PM
Of course, this is assuming you only have a data object.
If the object is of a special type and has methods on it, then this is harder.
You'd have to manually save the relevant data and reconstruct the correct object (from type) on the receiving end.
 
user226528
Oh, yeah. Like this:
 
user226528
 $a = $_
 Write-Output $a.Title
 $a.GetInstallableItems().Files | ForEach-Object {
    $b = $_.FileUri.AbsoluteUri
    Write-Output $b
 }
 
user226528
Not to worry though. I got that end covered.
 
Bob
Oh, oh!
Some types of serialisation can store more or less the entire in-memory state.
 
o/
 
Bob
2:02 PM
In C# I think there's XML and binary ones that can do that.
 
I have a couple of degree symbols for Bob's starred message: ° °
 
Bob
@FleetCommand What type are your objects?
@bertieb Thanks, I lost those and couldn't find them.
@FleetCommand Call $a.GetType()
 
@Bob 👍 I keep a bunch of spare code points around, just in case
 
user226528
Sorry. One moment. I am on the phone.
 
is it a banana phone?
 
2:10 PM
Or a toothpaste phone?
Or maybe a Wet Ones phone?
 
user226528
Oh, hi, guys.
 
user226528
So, where was I?
 
On a [yet-unelaborated] phone :P
 
user226528
@Bob It is a Microsoft.UpdateServices.Internal.BaseApi.Update
 
user226528
@Bob Actually, one should call $a.GetType().Fullname
 
Bob
2:15 PM
@FleetCommand O_O
brb trying to find docs
 
user226528
Maybe you should look for Microsoft.UpdateServices.Commands.WsusUpdate
 
user226528
Actually, the child Update property of Microsoft.UpdateServices.Commands.WsusUpdate
 
user226528
For a person familiar with WSUS, it is really straight-forward.
 
Bob
dammit, that namespace isn't in publicly available source
@FleetCommand yea, trying to figure out if it's actually serialisable
 
user226528
@Bob Actually, it is documented under IUpdate.
 
Bob
@FleetCommand Actually, easier way. foo.GetType().IsSerializable
 
Bleh, does anyone have any experience of using mailx/s-nail ? Trying to figure out how to remove authentication (local SMTP server)
User manual is written rather... esoterically; and Arch wiki is not forthcoming either
Will try another way
 
Bob
2:40 PM
@bertieb it's not a real MTA unless its documentation looks like something cthulhu coughed up :P
 
@Bob Well, the sections are written as if they form part of a treatise
> On sending mail, and non-interactive mode[7]
> On reading mail, and interactive mode[8]
> On URL syntax and credential lookup[12]
(etc)
But hey, I got it working, so \o/ I guess :P
(All this so I can get emailed about backups)
 
Bob
> On summoning the Old Ones, and keeping your sanity intact[13]
 
Heh
> On generating config files, and piping from /dev/urandom
Righty, now that I have a working mailx command I need to figure out systemd timers and service files because apparently cron was just too easy
 
cron still works
 
I agree! But systemd is now the One True Way it would seem
 
2:46 PM
ehh
 
2:58 PM
systemd timers are more overhead to set up but easier to manage once they are set up.
That said, if you really miss cron I'm pretty sure most distros still package it.
 
Aye, I nearly installed fcron but figured now is a good time to learn how the timers and service files work
 
nods
I recently set up a bunch of timers, so I may be able to answer questions.
 
Cheers!
 
Bob
@bertieb I actually find systemd timers much easier.
Cron is ... arcane
 
@Bob the advantage of crons is that once you're familiar with them, setting up a new one is really fast. Write wrapper script (if necessary, it often isn't), add one line to crontab, done.
systemd timers require two configuration files per timer (the timer unit and the service unit), albeit simple ones.
 
3:05 PM
Aye ↑
 
Bob
@ToxicFrog Eh, if you wanted you could wrap the service and timer scripts in a pretty simple helper
which is more or less what the crontab command does for cron, anyway
(also there's systemd-run if you wanted a transient timer -- they're much simpler. I wonder if it can be tweaked to produce a persistent one...)
it's more a problem of maturity
some of the abstractions you're used to for older ways aren't necessarily complete yet (and might not even be necessary)
personally, I'm glad I'll (hopefully) never have to touch a sysvinit script again
cron wasn't quite that bad, but ...
 
Well, I done goofed already
(hourly) timer isn't listed in systemctl list-timers --all
 
Bob
@bertieb did you systemctl enable it?
 
Aye, and started
Will check the status
Ah hmm
 
Bob
where did you put it, and what's in it?
 
3:11 PM
Ah, just grappling with the root / user divide
Things that work fine when run from my account don't work when run via systemd
So need to pass in some config files, I think
 
Bob
you can specify the user it runs as
 
Oh really
This I did not know
 
Bob
just make sure your username doesn't start with a digit, because systemd is broken and they refuse to fix it :P
 
Runas= or similar?
Ah, User= ?
 
Yeah
Just wait until you're dealing with a service that only works properly when run from the tty, and fails in different ways when run as a system service, as a system service with User=, and as a user service >.<
 
Bob
3:14 PM
@ToxicFrog oh, that's easy (if hackish): script -qfc 'service command' /dev/null
 
Heh
 
@Bob no, it's not because it needs a controlling tty or user input or anything
 
Bob
if it only works properly when run from a tty, pretend it's running from a tty :P
 
It just does not function correctly if I run it as a daemon, for reasons I have yet to figure out
I assume there's some part of the shell execution environment I'm not properly recreating
(the program is calibre-server, for the curious)
(if run as a daemon it mostly works but stops serving cover images when accessing it via a browser)
 
Okay, so the service runs
But still no timer
timer file named the same as service file (except extension)
Has [Unit], [Timer] and [Install] sections
Oh derp, you have to enable the timer separately from the service
And start it as well
 
Bob
3:21 PM
@bertieb You're not supposed to start the timer manually
...I think?
Though IIRC it might need to be a dependency of the multiuser target to autostart
 
Bob
...might need to start it manually on first install?
huh.
I'll have to try that again at some point
 
But yeah, maybe on first install
Next boot it should get picked up and started
Hurray! All seems to have gone well
Cheers for the help :)
 
3:39 PM
hello people
 
o/
 
How can I see all the starred messages for the current time? There seems to be no scrollbar there to scroll down.
I can see them when I reduce the zoom of the browser window.
 
Other than zooming (or the star feed), I'm not aware of a way to see them all if they get cut off
 
4:13 PM
/me looks
it varies the size depending on your window size
so make your window bigger
 
4:27 PM
@djsmiley2k That translates into 'buy a [new] big monitor'.
 
@RogUE Oooh, buy one for me too :D
 
I should get a new monitor soon. The one I currently own started to show some horizontal lines at the bottom, when turned on. It then disappears after some time.
 
5:07 PM
turn it 90 degrees
 
@djsmiley2k But then the screen will point towards the ceiling or floor!
^_^
 
;D
@bertieb congratulations, you've got a table!
 
\o/ I've always wanted a little Bobby Tables
But every time I get one, half my stuff disappears :(
 
5:22 PM
Quick question, what does it mean when someone is called the "Forrest Gump of <something>"?
I haven't seen the movie
 
not actually sure
but I'd suggest they have a story about it?
or they realy like running o_O
@Burgi @DavidPostill @FMLCat soooooo on the way back from london, we drove through about 5 snow storms, but in between was blazing hot sunshine. The weather is SO broken.
 
cough it's snowing here too
(only just started in earnest)
 
5:40 PM
It stopped again here after about 10 minutes again appently, that was this afternoon but the snow is still on my side of the street (no sunlight this side)
When you write an answer and you're proud of it.... you should share it, right?
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A: Bash script: Create a screen session and execute a command in it

djsmiley2kYou need you pass the command to run inside the screen session. You can do this by passing the command directly, or by calling a script which runs whatever command you wanted. screen -S test "python3 test.py" If you use this method, note that the command (python) and the argument passed to it ...

 
@FleetCommand What do you think of this Wikipedia edit?
 
5:55 PM
@djsmiley2k Only if you !!shamelessplug first :P
What I never figured out was how to create a screen session, execute a command in it, and then be left with a shell once the command exits
 
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