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Bob
12:41 AM
hm
I wonder what's faster (lower latency), a local 7200RPM HDD or two SSDs in RAID0 over a 15ms RTT network
 
7200 rpm hard drive typical latency is in the ballpark of 12 ms.
What's the nature of the workload?
 
Bob
1:00 AM
@bwDraco various, but mostly WinOS VMs
just debating whether to use the local drive or a network drive
 
If you have lots of processes using the disk at once, you're probably better off with the network disks. SSDs scale better under heavy load than hard disks.
 
Bob
I'm sure the HDD can achieve <15ms on a single request, but any more than that and it's a consecutive delay
 
@Bob Yup.
 
Bob
the SSD over network should be able to maintain ~15ms even with a large number of requests
@bwDraco yea, intuition suggests the SSDs would be better, but there's a certain amount of added complexity :P
 
Also, how much packets per second can the networking hardware handle? This is probably going to be your biggest limiting factor.
 
Bob
1:05 AM
@bwDraco Hm. I should probably iperf it
one sec
 
A typical 7200 rpm HDD tops out at ~100-120 IOPS, maybe a bit more if you short-stroke it.
(had to do a bit of research there, and that assumes NCQ which reduces latency with lots of commands at once)
 
Bob
TCP window size: 85.0 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  5] local .130 port 52482 connected with .3 port 5001
[  4] local .130 port 5001 connected with .3 port 34122
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.09 GBytes   933 Mbits/sec
[  4]  0.0-10.1 sec   386 MBytes   322 Mbits/sec
That's throughput
which isn't too great
 
Well, with NCQ, around 150-200 IOPS.
That's a best-case scenario for regular HDDs.
 
Bob
2:01 AM
so.
people are starting to call spellcheckers "autocorrect" now
 
2:47 AM
As long as the dictionary doesn't end up being called something silly like Offline or Manual Autocorrect.
 
3:21 AM
"trace nutrients and rounding errors" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You just made my day. — bwDraco 2 days ago
 
Bob
I'm getting this feeling of deja vu right now
yesterday, by bwDraco
"trace nutrients and rounding errors" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You just made my day. — bwDraco 16 hours ago
 
Too late to delete :(
Another point against me.
##/ultraheaddesk
 
Bob
no one's keeping score
 
@Bob Eh, can you move this block of messages to trash?
Sorry if it was disruptive or attention-seeking in any way.
 
Bob
3:25 AM
don't think I have a move option on mobile ui, one sec
hardly disruptive with no other convos
thought I'd just pull a funny with the deja vu comment :(
 
Am I the only one who initially thought the emojis there were tubas or something?
 
Bob
@BenN they're not?
 
lol
 
Bob
hm. I wonder if I can kick myself...
 
lol
 
Bob
3:27 AM
for science!
user image
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It looks like the Actions section doesn't show up on one's own infobox
 
Keep it cool, don't take things too seriously :)
 
Bob
@BenN it does on mobile :P
 
@Bob That's new...
 
Huh, interesting
 
Bob
3:30 AM
@BenN That's why I was wondering :P
@bwDraco feel like playing with windows server?
 
@Bob Why do you ask?
 
Bob
@bwDraco 'cause I'm bored and curious
 
What is it that you want to achieve? I have no specific application in mind.
 
Bob
@bwDraco reduced boredom :P
 
Bleh, not really interested :(
 
Bob
3:37 AM
ah
 
It's been a very busy week for me.
Between dealing with family matters and my photography job, I really don't have a huge amount of time available to me.
@BenN It's the way the ROFL emoji looks on Windows :P
I find enterprise Windows to be so complicated :\
AD, PowerShell, Hyper-V, SQL Server, IIS, Exchange, Azure... aargh
But I need to learn much of this stuff to be able to work as a sysadmin in a Windows shop :(
I just haven't been able to get to studying PowerShell.
 
Fortunately, one doesn't have to know about all possible Windows uses to manage a given Windows system
For example, someone who manages IIS probably wouldn't have to worry too much about Hyper-V
I would like to point out that if you learn PowerShell, you can control all the other components you listed :D
 
3:53 AM
I have some Hyper-V experience (primarily with the client version)
 
Bob
Nobody 'learns' all of that
that's what documentation and references are for
 
I think PowerShell is the biggest thing to get out of the way. AFAIK, it's the key sysadmin skill for anyone working in a Microsoft environment
 
Bob
*shrug*
if you know how to use the CLI with cmd or bash, you're good to go with powershell
there's not really much to learn
I just pick things up as I need them :D
I mean, it's a shell
for the most part, it's run command => get result
maybe a loop here or there
 
Never really learned bash or zsh shell scripting. (I prefer zsh for its advanced completion features)
 
Bob
(and, while it's possible to write complex scripts, much like bash I'd suggest not doing so in powershell ... at some level of complexity using a more conventional language is easier)
 
3:56 AM
The natural next step is Python, which I had touched upon a long time ago :\
 
Bob
and that's enough, really
as long as you have a general idea of the syntax and the ability to use google
no one outside of a classroom is expected to memorise all the libraries
 
Yuuuup.
 
Bob
I'm still running into ps admin modules I didn't know existed, let alone used before :D
 
(I can still write C++ code for the most part but I'd need a refresher before doing anything nontrivial)
 
4:40 AM
I finally used one of my many small powershell scripts in production the other day!
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank did it work? :P
I think one of my moderately complex scripts is running daily on a number of servers. It scares me.
 
Good morning :)
I'm just having some black tea right now. Had left it there for around an hour, black ants all over it. But then I noticed, none of them had reached the tea yet. So, I just picked up the cup, it's bright lime green and so, could spot all of the ants. Spent a minute trying to decide if whether I should shake them off or not. They were actually trying to run away. So, I placed the cup back on the table. No ants now. Life is nice. It doesn't want to die.
 
5:04 AM
@Bob Of course!
All it does is scan the home folder directory for folders that belong to disabled accounts. If it finds one it gets moved to disabled accounts folder.
 
Bob
IEFBR14 is an IBM mainframe utility program. It runs in all IBM mainframe environments derived from OS/360, including z/OS. It is a placeholder that returns the exit status zero, similar to the true command on UNIX-like systems. == Purpose == === Allocation (also called Initiation) === On OS/360 and derived mainframe systems, most programs never specify files (usually called datasets) directly, but instead reference them indirectly through the Job Control Language (JCL) statements that invoke the programs. These data definition (or "DD") statements can include a "disposition" (DISP=...) parameter...
 
@Bob oh hey, thanks for pointing me to that
I can actually submit a batch job using my current project (my code) testing that IEFBR14 works correctly, now that I know that exists
what a coincidence that you post some random z/OS command and I can use it
 
Bob
lol
 
5:54 AM
Hey, I can't open GPedit.msc on my Win10. Any idea on how to purge the sight of Cortana from my system?
 
 
1 hour later…
7:00 AM
CS exam went awesomely!
@MichaelFrank just use ltsb ffs
@Bob LMAO
 
@rahuldottech shrug I'm not the one needing to remove Cortana. I already use Pro at home.
 
ltsb is amaze
 
Bob
7:41 AM
 
@Bob lol
 
8:00 AM
nice
 
Bob
zfs send -R tank@backup | pv -c | pigz | pv -c | wc -c  >/dev/null
 
8:15 AM
@Bob that ddrescue is still going. Finally got to the stage of retrying bad sectors at 99.99% rescued.
There's about 18MB of erronous data from what I can see.
 
@rahuldottech back in my day punisher had a game
and for it's time it was absolutely beautiful
you didn't just beat or shoot people to death-- you could use environmental stuff to kill them too. Even today most games don't do that, but more games picked up on it, like sleeping dogs.
 
@Avery back in your day?
isn't now your day?
 
Sadly there's no way to buy it legally now (and I even contacted volition-- yes, same developers as Saints Row, and they informed me that they're not selling it on any storefronts due to license expiring)
@Burgi it's not
today is sleep day because ave feels sick
oh and game had interrogation etc too
was truly innovative for its time.
The Punisher is a third-person shooter video game developed by Volition and released by THQ in 2005 for the PlayStation 2, Xbox, Microsoft Windows; a mobile phone game was also developed by Amplified Games. The game stars the Marvel Comics antihero, The Punisher. After his family was murdered by the Mafia, Frank Castle devoted his life to the punishment of criminals. Players take control of the titular ruthless vigilante to track down criminals and kill them. The game's story is a loose mixture of the 2004 film, as well as the Vol. 4 (2000) and Vol. 5 (2001) of the comic books. Actor Thomas Jane...
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank that's pretty good
 
8:33 AM
Yea, I thought so. It's struggling on that block though, so it's probably pretty damaged.
@Avery You could buy it second hand. There are heaps of copy on a local auction site.
 
I'll probably pirate it.
it's abandonware
 
 
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9:53 AM
 
Bob
!!info
 
@Bob I awoke on Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:38:03 GMT (that's about 22 hours ago), got invoked 14 times, learned 1 commands
 
10:09 AM
wow....
just got out a of a weird meeting
the rival agency who is taking over one of our customers asked if we wouldn't mind keep hosting their (the customer's) website...
 
do they happen to be from Romania?
.. or maybe Scotland?
 
Bob
10:30 AM
@Burgi ...do they plan on paying?
 
10:49 AM
@tereško I got a timeout for posting one of those once... :(
 
11:00 AM
what is a "timeout"? You mean like in kindergarden?
... sounds like some silicon valley thing
 
@tereško someone flagging as offensive, and it getting accepted and....
 
oh .. in this chat
 
that's both sad and impressive
I guess I should stop being surprised by people being outraged for the stupidest reasons
 
yup
and that what kinda language is acceptable on chat's a bit vague.
 
11:12 AM
it seems that since "7 word you can't say on TV" the list has grown exponentially
 
@tereško my personal viewpoint is if its mild, and not aimed at someone and no one minds.... meh
I mean, we're all grown ups right?
 
^ you wish
 
;p
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A: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?

Shog9These questions always puzzle me a bit; they never come up because someone's conflicted about how they should communicate - they're always attached in some fashion to the notion that there should be limits on how other people should be interpreting what you've written: I'm simply talking abou...

this is more or less what shog says.
 
@Bob it appears so
 
12:08 PM
I need hugs!
 
@rahuldottech sends hugs
 
1:17 PM
._.
 
1:36 PM
> Hi @Burgi,

Now you can double your chances of hearing from a recruiter on LinkedIn
but i only ever get contacted by recruiters anyway...
 
2:28 PM
Just updated to the latest LineageOS build...
 
nice
 
why not just turn off BT when you aren't using it?
 
@Burgi I leave it on all the time cause smartwatch....
 
fair point
 
2:48 PM
I suppose I can still use it turned off but notifications ._.
 
3:09 PM
@JourneymanGeek erm no?
Pretty sure both @Avery and @rahuldottech were here before they were 16, which is the very earliest I can even consider someone to be 'grown up'
 
@djsmiley2k sigh
 
@djsmiley2k hah. Age is not a indication of maturity
 
@JourneymanGeek True, lol.
 
@bwDraco wait, someone's counting???
 
@djsmiley2k I was here when I was 14 :P
 
3:12 PM
lol
 
@djsmiley2k also stack has mods that joined when they were not even 13
so yeah there's that
 
@djsmiley2k he is ;p
 
everything aside you can swear and I don't think that anyone would care here
 
within reason. I do prefer people sound off about such things first tho
 
I can see how some stuff may be problematic to talk about but it wouldn't be so due to "oh no let's not scar the children" but due to potential legal complexities
 
3:15 PM
@Avery Eh, anything which is inappropriate for teens is probably not appropriate for SE in the first place anyway
 
true.
 
lets not tell the children about... covers @rahuldottech's and @Avery's ears T-A-X
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@Avery Thing is, I'd rather people deal with the small stuff, inside the room, and directly....
@Burgi 0_0
NOT THE T-A-X!
 
finding out about that when i was 18, hurt a lot
 
3:19 PM
@bwDraco this is why SK has restarted medical aid
 
You didn't know about tax until you were 18???
 
SSSSSSSSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there are children around ffs
 
Lol
 
@Burgi scarred for life.
what is a tax
and are taxes theftation
 
@Avery blame @djsmiley2k, he said it not me. I tried to protect you
 
3:27 PM
Lol
 
3:39 PM
I HEARD SAW NOTHING
 
Bob
running some speed comparisons of compression tools
I really need to start a blog :P
 
3:59 PM
@bwDraco they were also complaining, that USA bullies them with nukes
 
@tereško The UN has every right to ask, "why are you directing resources towards WMDs and not your people?"
 
4:15 PM
@BenN Hi, Mr. guru~
I am in subway,sorry for late response..
I don't sure I have understand your English.Could you give some spicification about your new edit in this comment?
 
Yay /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/ /o/
Just moving the .thunderbird folder migrates all my emails and configurations :D :D :D
Just moving the .mozilla folder migrates all my favorites :D
and history :D :D
and sessions :D :D
and cookies :D :D
and all my tabs :D :D :D
my tabs
my lovely little tabs
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
 
@ThatBrazilianPony I've done this more times than you think, even across platforms.
 
4:30 PM
Now my migration from a PhenomII (eeeew) to a Core i3 is complete * __ *
As a plus, my dual 900px 19" ahem "somehow" became dual 1080px 22" screens
 
So... We broke up
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@Burgi How old is @Avery exactly, by the way?
 
Bob
I like the "explosion-proof" screen protectors. @CircusCat probably could've used one.
 
@ThatBrazilianPony 16 but will turn 17 in 20 days
@rahuldottech hugs
sorry rahul
 
sorry to hear that
but lets be honest you'll be back together next week....
 
Bob
4:42 PM
@rahuldottech :(
 
I mean, we're in the midst of the break up
But this isn't going to end well
 
Breaking up is never easy and it hurts every time. But it gets better with time.
Somehow I think you already know that from experience.
 
didn't you break up like 2 months ago?
 
Wait, you already broke up in the past?
 
several times iirc
 
4:44 PM
Different girlfriends AFAIK
 
no no, the same one
 
@Burgi Yeah it's her
She's... had a lot going on, but the relationship has only been a downward spiral for the past several months
From her refusing to meet on my birthday because she had "other work to do", to her refusing to speak with me the whole 2 months of summer vacations because she "needed to focus on studies" while she did everything else, to her dumping me three days before school opened but then saying that she still wanted to date me
Through it all, I was always there for her, and she was never there for me when I really needed her, and I just can't do this anymore
The first few months that we dated for were the best time of my life. And I held on wishing that could come back. But I can't anymore.
 
When we started dating, it was amazing because we both really needed someone, and we had each other
But then she stopped doing her bit
 
It's hard realizing these things but, if it's really like you say, it's good you did because in the end the only ones we can always, inconditionally count on to stand for us is ourselves.
And when we don't we signal weakness to exatcly the toxic kind of person that takes advantage of fragile people....
But that is entirely another story and I digress.
 
4:56 PM
This sucks so bad, man
 
5:16 PM
@rahuldottech eh. You're young. Puppy love is usually pretty immature and not very well coordinated :P it's like those spider crickets that jump at the 200 pound gorilla trying to smash it with a foot
lasting relationships are a bit more cynical, a bit less magical, but infinitely more practical
💩
3
 
lol
 
5:51 PM
took me a long time to get this:
 
Aw, sorry to hear about that @rahuldottech :(
 
6:18 PM
ERMAGERD MAH NEW DESK IS YUUUUUUUUUGE
It is a great desk, it's the best, let me tell you.
I have friends who have desks, they come to me and say: "@That, I know desks and this is a great desk"
#MAKEDESKSGREATAGAIN
s/NEW DESK/same desk as always, but more organized, with less wires, and cleaned/
 
6:51 PM
@Burgi I lol'd
 
I know this will feel like trolling, but I wish I never upgraded from XP
 
When I got my desk from IKEA, my god so big. Now? Still not big enough!
@Zachiel why?
 
@Burgi hahahahahahaha
 
Also why do people ask about getting rid of Cortina? I don't even know how to activate her...
 
6:54 PM
@djsmiley2k I installed 8.1 and the PC started needing a second boot to start. Then today I was investigating why and I must have reset one time too much because at restart it asked me to perform some diagnostics. I let it and now Office is gone, the windows.old folder only has the Documents folder and everything I installed last week is no more.
 
Hmmm I've never used 8...
 
IT TOLD ME IT WAS JUST DOING A SEARCH FOR DAMAGED SECTORS!
 
Yeah, curtains can be hard to activate
 
@Zachiel so it rolled back??
 
T_T
 
6:56 PM
Get on 10 asap
 
@djsmiley2k it did, but it also erased files
 
@Zachiel that sounds like you let it do a "refresh"
or a system restore or something
 
s/back/into a ball of [redacted]/
 
@allquixotic I saw that option and I did not click on it, I'm 100% sure
But even if that was the case, why deleting folders in windows.old?
 
well that's the behavior of a refresh; it's based on the same concept that goes back to Windows XP or so, where you could attempt a "Repair", which would rename your windows folder to windows.old
a refresh normally doesn't touch your other files, though, but it will create a new user account for you
check C:\Users for hidden / old copies of your user account
also, yeah, since it creates a new registry hive from scratch as part of the refresh/repair, you lose any record of installed programs
 
6:58 PM
so my installed files might be in the other account?
 
I'm not sure what it does with stuff in C:\Program Files -- it might just leave them there
 
@allquixotic now I get why they call it win****
 
just install linux
 
@allquixotic I now have two Programs folders, and one is the one from Windows XP
 
@Zachiel huh?
 
6:59 PM
@Avery I have Linux on the machine, but apparently I don't get asked which OS to boot, now that I installed 8.1
 
if you have one called "Program Files (x86)" and one called "Program Files", well then that's normal
 
I just have linux.
 
(for a 64-bit OS)
 
It's easier.
 
@allquixotic Seriously, there's two folders called "Programs"
 
7:00 PM
@Zachiel just "Programs"?
 
@Avery Dad wants Excel, the real thing, for he's used to the interface and commands and shortcuts.
@allquixotic Just programs. Probably one is Program Files and the other is Programmi, for WinXP was in Italian
 
o_O
look in the command prompt and see what the underlying names are
if they differ
 
Just as I supposed. Windows XP was in italian so the folder has the italian name, and the new one is Program Files.
 
So you changed language as well.... :/
What could possibly go wrong xD
 
7:15 PM
I choose Italian when the installation asked me. It's for dad, after all. Still, most mesages are still in English
The biggest problem is that now I have lost winmine, cards.dll, hearts, spider and sol
What will dad play?
(The versions in the store don't work. Graphical bugs.)
 
7:32 PM
Outlast Deluxe Edition is free in the IHB store for the next 45 hours.
 
8:18 PM
@ThatBrazilianPony Hmm. The denizens of the bridge seem to think that ^^^ was spam ...
 
They flagged it?
 
@djsmiley2k He posted the same link in the bridge and a mod deleted it ...
 
8:37 PM
@DavidPostill You hang around at the Bridge?
 
@ThatBrazilianPony Thanks!
 
in The Bridge, 1 hour ago, by Ash
....why did that get deleted.
it got handled.
 
8:53 PM
@rahuldottech No. Someone mentioned it in another room.
 
@DavidPostill oh, cool
 
@DavidPostill Well, a few seconds later it was not spam anymore :P
@MichaelFrank Enjoy! If you like the game, let me know, I haven't played it yet.
 
I'll probably just add it to my library of games I've never played. ;)
 
Bridge is weird tho
 
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