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satibel

14:18

just noticed nokia released a 2017 version of the 3310.

NotAdmin Dave

fg

ack

Journeyman Geek

@satibel ...

that's olds

also 2g only

satibel

@JourneymanGeek yes, it's like 2 months ago.

Burgi

n00b

have you been living under a rock for the last year?

satibel

though, I'm kinda disappointed by it, it doesn't look as tough, it's 2g only, no dual sim, and the battery could easily have been a 3Ah.

Burgi

14:23

its also about £50

you can get similar phones for under £10

satibel

and also freaking expensive.

like 70€

Burgi

i'm pretty certain i just said that

satibel

no you said in bloody non European currency :p

Burgi

i voted to stay in!

DavidPostill

@satibel Due to the crap value of the UKP at the moment 50 UKP is 55.98 Euro

satibel

14:29

if they had the specs of something like this with the 3310 look and at 30-40€, it would be a lot better IMO.

DavidPostill

Good for me as all my savings are in Euros ...

satibel

@DavidPostill retail the 3310 2017 is 69.9€ in france.

Journeyman Geek

protip. Do not invest it in nokia 3310s.

Or scooby snacks.

djsmiley2k

you forgot the most important thing, they broke snake!

satibel

@JourneymanGeek I'm happy with my aluminum brick, I don't plan on getting a 3310.

djsmiley2k

14:33

@DavidPostill ermmm, why?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k IIRC he used to work in holland

djsmiley2k

Ah ok

Rahul2001

Uh, what do I do if my best friend has started liking my (semi, but whatever) girlfriend?

He has been staring and acting weirdly and asking me strange questions about "hypothetical" situations and it's creepy as hell, and making both my girlfriend and me uncomfortable

Burgi

wait... when did you get a new girlfriend?

at this rate you are going to be singlehandedly responsible for pushing india's population over 2 billion

3

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Because when I want to spend them I get more pounds (remember I'm unemployed and can;t survive on the 70 UKP Job Seekers Allowance)

Bob

14:39

I feel like learning to weld :P

Rahul2001

@Burgi Still the previous one. It's very complicated. Notice the "semi"

DavidPostill

Hahahaha

> A film lasting eight hours and dubbed the dullest ever by its own creators is set for its London premiere.

Baa Baa Land consists entirely of slow-motion shots of sheep in a field, and features no actors, dialogue or narrative.

The film was shot in Essex, England, and was produced by the founders of a digital meditation app called Calm.

Burgi

@Rahul2001 i could be rude here....

Rahul2001

@Burgi do you have to be? :P

I'm not exactly in the mood for humor, sorry.

Life has been messed up recently

DavidPostill

@Bob Go for it - it is fun :)

Bob

14:41

@DavidPostill Would've been useful like a half a year ago... maybe I'll wait for the next project

No idea where to start though :P

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 eh.. teenagers

Bob

obviously soldered before, did a bit of oxyacetylene brazing... never used an arc welder

Journeyman Geek

tbh, if she isn't your girlfriend, just see where it goes

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek Well. We like each other. And are in a relationship, just... not a regular one.

Honestly, yeah, you could say that we're dating

We just have strict rules against getting physical and stuff now.

Journeyman Geek

eh, at your age, Or quite a lot of ages, that's common sensical.

DavidPostill

14:43

@Bob I did a short practical engineering course. We made stuff like tools and vices and axle stands and a pressure vessel (the last two involved welding). The axle stands were tested to take the weight of a London Bus :)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'd be suprised if there wasn't some vocational place that taught that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Probably a TAFE course

But those get a bit involved

hm

Burgi

@Rahul2001 who imposed the the rules and why?

Rahul2001

@Burgi mostly her, kinda mutual, because need to concentrate on studies because Indian education system is messed up and because that's a distraction.

Just... because.

Bob

@DavidPostill Pressure vessels scare me :P

djsmiley2k

14:47

@DavidPostill i get that, I couldn't understand why they were originally in euros, as someone who's in the UK

Bob

LOL @ the fire extinguisher

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Because I lived and worked in Holland for 9 years?

My redundancy was paid in euros ...

djsmiley2k

I'd love to learn to weld

i'm useless at solidering, it's too small scale for me

@DavidPostill nod, now I understand :D

Bob

@JourneymanGeek There's a couple of them tafensw.edu.au/courses/…

hmmmm

djsmiley2k

youtube it!

Bob

14:50

$850... but, oof, 7 weeks

djsmiley2k

best way ;D

Journeyman Geek

lol

DavidPostill

@Bob Hehe. Mine was free (part of my Chem Eng degree)

Journeyman Geek

I learned how to crimp cables from youtube

bwDraco

roar

Bob

14:53

@DavidPostill Yea, uh... out of uni now :\

Maybe I should've taken MATS1214 as an elective

hm. it was only offered in 2010-2012 anyway :\

But TAFE is more hands-on anyway. uni courses are mostly theory

djsmiley2k

I still suggest get a welder, fire up youtube

go to it!

(warning: not a welder)

Not Dog

BOB

Bob

@djsmiley2k lol. would need a target :P

Not Dog

Is an anagram and a palindrome!

Bob

o.O

Not Dog

14:57

And a fox!

bwDraco

So... on Intel dropping support for Clover Trail (Cloverview, Saltwell), Microsoft will continue providing security updates for the next six years. Although Intel terminating support for these devices means that these systems won't be able to run Windows 10 v1703, this is good news as these systems will remain secure as promised by Microsoft. wccftech.com/no-windows-10-updates-intel-atom

Bob

> Officers from the Fashion Police would also like to speak with him.

Not Dog

##pleasecontinuetoholdyourbobisimportanttousandwillbeansweredbythenextavailablef‌oxerator

I Am A Bot

Bob

@bwDraco Those comments hurt my soul.

Rahul2001

15:00

@bwDraco wait. What's Clover Trail?

bwDraco

@Rahul2001 Certain older Atom processors. Basically, the first generation of the "newer" Atom SoCs.

Bob

@bwDraco Not that old...

Rahul2001

@bwDraco Ah. Windows 8... not that old?

bwDraco

Among other things, these aren't 64-bit processors, which kinda doomed them to earlier obsolescence.

Bob

@bwDraco ...what? Yes they are!

bwDraco

15:03

@Bob ark.intel.com/products/70105/…

> Instruction Set 32-bit

Bob

Wait what.

I could've sworn this was o.O

Wasn't just the first-gen 32-bit?

My memory lied to me :(

2

I need some ECC

bwDraco

lol

Bob

Wait.

2nd gen netbook Atoms, earlier than the Z2760, do support 64-bit

this is so weird

N570 does. N2600 does.

bwDraco

Yeah. That was very odd of Intel.

Atom (system on chip)

Atom is a system on chip (SoC) platform designed for smartphones and tablet computers, launched by Intel in 2012. It is a continuation of the partnership announced by Intel and Google on 13 September 2011 to provide support for the Android operating system on Intel x86 processors. This range competes with existing SoCs developed for the smartphone and tablet market from companies like Texas Instruments, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Samsung. Unlike these companies, which use ARM-based CPUs designed from the beginning to consume very low power, Intel has adapted the x86 based Atom line CPU developed for...

Bob

N2600 being Cedarview

bwDraco

15:07

I'm pretty sure Intel's reason for ending support is "we don't support 32-bit processors any more".

This would explain Intel continuing to support the N2800 and N2600.

Bob

It's so weird.

The Z2760 has an NX bit but no 64-bit so it'd only work with PAE

That said, it performs terribly

Journeyman Geek

erf

Bob

My old tablet is a Z2760

Journeyman Geek

I might be having some issues with my newer web server

Bob

It's. so. slow.

bwDraco

15:10

Ouch.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hm?

Journeyman Geek

getting 504 gateway errors on a moodle install I threw in there to test something

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That'd be coming from nginx, no?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

Also. Containers! :P

@JourneymanGeek what's moodle running on? what's the upstream server?

what language is moodle even written in?

Journeyman Geek

15:12

php

Bob

ugh

Journeyman Geek

ironically I have a working and very reliable install on scaleway for someone who paid me

EXCEPT for not realising I needed sendmail installed to send mail

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you have two options. look for a nginx config for moodle (I bet it relies on htaccess for some rewrites) or load up apache httpd and use nginx to reverse proxy to it

I've done the latter at times

(usually with apache inside a container)

@JourneymanGeek wait. are they paying you to host it, or just for the initial setup?

Journeyman Geek

the latter

Bob

they are aware of the risk of hypervisor crashes and data loss (rollback to last web console stop/persist) right?

Journeyman Geek

15:14

hmm >_>

nope ._.

Rahul2001

"Bad news happens all at once, whereas good news happen eventually"

Bob

scaleway data is ephemeral until you stop the server

it's pretty dumb

it's technically on disk, but as reliable as a ramdisk

Journeyman Geek

ehh

I'm going to assume this is moodle being silly

and try ttrss laterish

Bob

hypervisor crash => they discard the data

@JourneymanGeek how did you set up your nginx config?

Journeyman Geek

since its sanely written in comparison

@Bob err that one IS different from my standard one

Bob

15:17

@JourneymanGeek how does it differ?

apparently there is community-doc on moodle wiki docs.moodle.org/33/en/Nginx

Journeyman Geek

yup

I used that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek also. you need to set up containers :P

Journeyman Geek

I usually have a much simpler setup

Bob

less risk of breaking everything else :P

Not Dog

Moodle, urgh

Journeyman Geek

15:18

yup

ehh going to nuke it anyway

@Bob more or less this howtoforge.com/tutorial/… is my standard

Bob

@JourneymanGeek those instructions are terribad

Journeyman Geek

ehh

terribad how?

Bob

update-rc.d

16.04 is systemd

also that step is entirely unnecessary

since removing the package does that already

@JourneymanGeek it's basically cargo cult instructions

probably copied/mixed together from a dozen blog posts without understanding what it actually does

Journeyman Geek

0_0

tbh I totally skipped that bit

I mostly use it for the (basic) webserver config

Bob

The advice to set keepalive_timeout 2 is extremely dubious

the indentation in the example is fucked

Journeyman Geek

15:23

....

Bob

the cgi.fix_pathinfo=0 is cargo culting

32

Q: Is the PHP option 'cgi.fix_pathinfo' really dangerous with Nginx + PHP-FPM?

There has been a lot of talking about a security issue relative to the cgi.fix_pathinfo PHP option used with Nginx (usually PHP-FPM, fast CGI). As a result, the default nginx configuration file used to say: # NOTE: You should have "cgi.fix_pathinfo = 0;" in php.ini However, now, the "offici...

> Making PHP-FPM use a TCP Connection

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Journeyman Geek

mine's at 10

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that guide should be deleted, overwritten, and deleted again.

2

It adds literally nothing useful over the debian default config

just open the debian default, uncomment the php examples which are already there and you're good to go

Journeyman Geek

eh

Bob

@JourneymanGeek again, why?

some misguided attempt at 'saving resources'?

Journeyman Geek

15:28

I don't actually remember

._.

bleh

Bob

nginx will close keepalives if it runs out of worker connections anyway

the nginx default is 75; the debian default is 65

it costs you nothing to leave the keepalives open longer

Journeyman Geek

there's usually a default config file stashed away somewhere right?

Bob

you won't run out of sockets

Journeyman Geek

/usr/share?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the default is /etc/nginx/sites-available/default

Journeyman Geek

15:29

errrrr

Bob

and the first line tells you to make a copy rather than modifying it directly

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

(there's other reasons too - if you do an apt upgrade and it updates that file, it'll clash)

djsmiley2k

=)

Journeyman Geek

but those are in ngnix.conf right?

Bob

15:29

@JourneymanGeek The keepalive one? yes.

Journeyman Geek

yeah, I kept a copy of ngnix.conf

er

default

Bob

@JourneymanGeek did you just want to see a default from ubuntu 16.04?

Journeyman Geek

or restore it

but this feels like it should be a lunchtime thing, cause my weekends are too damned packed

Bob

11

Q: Should `keepalive_timeout` be removed from Nginx config?

Which is the better configuration/optimization: to explicitly limit the keepalive_timeout or to allow Nginx to kill keepalive connections on its own? I have seen two conflicting recommendations regarding the keepalive_timeout directive for Nginx. They are as follows: # How long to allow each co...

nginx keepalive

FYI

user www-data;
worker_processes auto;
pid /run/nginx.pid;

events {
        worker_connections 768;
        # multi_accept on;
}

http {

        ##
        # Basic Settings
        ##

        sendfile on;
        tcp_nopush on;
        tcp_nodelay on;
        keepalive_timeout 65;
        types_hash_max_size 2048;
        # server_tokens off;

        # server_names_hash_bucket_size 64;
        # server_name_in_redirect off;

        include /etc/nginx/mime.types;
        default_type application/octet-stream;

@JourneymanGeek ^ pulled from a fresh 16.04

@JourneymanGeek also, if you've followed that guide - I'd suggest not using TCP sockets unless you actually plan to separate your nginx and php-fpm servers over a network (which raises all kinds of "whyyyyyyyyyyyy")

Journeyman Geek

I'm not

I left it as unix sockets

Bob

15:35

see also, unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91774/…

Journeyman Geek

its still 504 erroring and being really slow tho

Bob

though IMO that was pretty intuitive anyway

@JourneymanGeek yea the errors are probably a different issue

but idk moodle and I'd have to dig around to find out :P

@JourneymanGeek uh. wait. you're hosting moodle on the same server as other stuff?

are you using a different document root? different server config file?

Rahul2001

(ᇴ‿ᇴ)

Journeyman Geek

different document root

moodle suggested config file

Burgi

The leader of the House of Commons has provoked laughter by accidentally referring to Jane Austen as "one of our greatest living authors" - how are these people in charge?

djsmiley2k

15:38

that config file may require... configuring.

@Burgi =D

@Burgi because no one sane chooses to be

i was thinking about this last night

the only way to fix it, is to not pay them much, but reward them instead

'here is a house' here is x, here is y

how do you get scientists, and nurses, and doctors, and clever but sane people to rule?

Burgi

@djsmiley2k "here is your £40,000 duck house"

djsmiley2k

@Burgi needs oversight

I can't wait for a govermental robot overlords.

Journeyman Geek

new.lupinenet.com/moodle.lupinenet.com.txt

Bob

@JourneymanGeek why do you have a random uncommented include snippets/fastcgi-php.conf;?

Journeyman Geek

hm

commented

it does seem really slow ._.

Bob

15:45

@JourneymanGeek what's slow?

Journeyman Geek

moodle doing the thing (sending messages) that makes it time out

Bob

tbh the moodle recommended config confuses me

it's not much different from the default debian one

@JourneymanGeek wait... are you saying you can get in, and only some parts don't work?

Journeyman Geek

yup

for example

.... actually, I think anything that incolves sending an email tends to time out

Bob

...have you checked server logs?

Journeyman Geek

not yet

Bob

15:48

I thought you were saying it didn't work at all

hm

my keyboard firmware update seems to have fixed the key ghosting o.O

and maybe the missing keypresses too

Journeyman Geek

2017/07/20 15:45:27 [error] 2705#2705: *7 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 116.86.218.251, server: moodle.lupinenet.com, request: "POST /admin/user/user_bulk_message.php HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock", host: "moodle.lupinenet.com", referrer: "http://moodle.lupinenet.com/admin/user/user_bulk_message.php"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek probably max_execution_time

Journeyman Geek

hm

ugh, where?

hm

set to 30 in php.ini

which is the default

Bob

@JourneymanGeek are you sure your email settings work? :P

Journeyman Geek

yeah

I am actually getting the mail

anyway

I zzz

Bob

16:04

@JourneymanGeek do you have all the required extensions installed? docs.moodle.org/23/en/PHP

djsmiley2k

@Bob was it you I was talking to about Corsair f/w updates?

Bob

@djsmiley2k possibly, but mine's a lenovo tablet keyboard :P

djsmiley2k

:D

/me wibbles rapidly

Right now at work I'm trying to prepare for me moving to another department

kinda tricky, each day I realise there's things I'd really like to fix before I go haha

bwDraco

New flagship AM4 motherboard from ASUS: anandtech.com/show/11652/…

djsmiley2k

that backplane on the back of the mb is gonna make it not fit nicely in some cases :/

bwDraco

16:16

Will this fit in the Corsair 760T?

Bob

should

bwDraco

This is an EATX board, which limits your choice of cases.

It should, but I don't know if the backplate is a problem.

I'd be surprised if it was.

Bob

I got the mobo one step below the one with the covered back

but I would've expected that to fit anyway

(in a 750D)

bwDraco

Bluetooth built in!

Fantastic.

Wi-Fi support is one thing, but built-in Bluetooth support is a bit of a rarity on a desktop board.

djsmiley2k

How well does blutooth cope with metal cases? (tho glass seems to be a thing now, i'm wondering about the lack of shielding...

bwDraco

16:19

It goes to an external antenna supplied with the board. That antenna is also used for Wi-Fi.

djsmiley2k

ah ok

bwDraco

There probably will be a sufficient budget to allow me to specify this board for Astaroth (it would add $80) but there's not a whole lot of room left. (right now, I've specified a C6H with Wi-Fi)

Official blog post: rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/…

Your thoughts on whether the C6E is worth the extra money?

Bob

@bwDraco uh... mine has built-in bt, I'm pretty sure

they literally use a laptop mini-pcie card

bwDraco

Hmm...

Bob

@djsmiley2k two antenna ports on the back, with an included antenna (magnetic attachment to case, ~1m cable)

bwDraco

16:30

The Wi-Fi version of the C6H does have Bluetooth built-in.

Bob

I went with the maximus ix code

@bwDraco got a spec link?

allquixotic

Windows BT stack stuff has gotten better in recent years as far as I can tell. Still that super annoying headphone thing where it switches to HSP (SCO codec, 64 kbit/s, monaural and a horrendously low samplerate, barely adequate for plain voice calls) whenever any Windows program opens the mic device

Bob

@allquixotic that's a BT limitation, no?

allquixotic

@Bob Well, yes. One day the BT SIG is going to listen to my proposal that I tried to shout to the rooftops months ago (but was summarily ignored by everyone) to support duplex high-quality audio, but the standards currently don't support it at all. A2DP is playback only.

bwDraco

@Bob I can't seem to find one at this time.

allquixotic

16:34

I just wish there were a way to permanently disable HSP on Windows so the system can't switch to HSP mode.

Because some programs I use like Audacity love to open every sound device on the system when they start up "because they can"

which immediately triggers HSP, even if my default sound device is the laptop internal mic

Bob

@allquixotic disable the mic device?

bwDraco

@allquixotic Unfortunately, this behavior is probably mandated by the Bluetooth spec.

allquixotic

@Bob Works for one connection, but every time I reconnect my bluetooth cans to the laptop (even without re-pairing), it goes back to being enabled

Bob

@allquixotic I remember there used to be but idk for win10

allquixotic

@bwDraco Well it's just an implementation detail of the Windows BT stack

Bob

16:36

I stopped using BT for audio a while ago

@allquixotic the limitation is a spec issue

allquixotic

The BT spec doesn't require you to support HSP; your BT host can simply say "I support A2DP, RFCOMM, ..." and not list HSP

Then the headset is required not to try to switch to that mode

Although the whole switching-to-HSP thing is initiated entirely on the Windows side when it does happen

Headphones happily going along in A2DP mode, stereo playback only, then a program tries to open an MME or DirectSound or WASAPI connection to your BT microphone, and the Windows BT stack says "Welp, time to go to HSP!"

MacOS does it too. Skype likes to steal the microphone momentarily when it starts up or when you connect a new sound device, which means I sit there in silence for 10 seconds until I hear the pop in my headphones suggesting a transition from HSP back to A2DP.

Only time I ever need HSP is when my headphones are connected to my iPhone and I'm making a phone call

Have to admit though, in terms of ease of pairing and ease of transition from one device to another, my Apple W1 devices are far superior to any other BT headphones I've ever owned, even with my Alienware W10 laptop.

Bob

@allquixotic technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd252771.aspx

allquixotic

(Apple W1 = advanced Class 1 capable Apple proprietary BT chipset for headphones, which also has some Apple device specific features, but works great with Windows AFAICT)

Bob

I wonder if that works for Windows proper

allquixotic

Beats Solo3 Wireless and Apple Earpods are my two W1 devices

ipetitions.com/petition/duplex-high-quality-audio-for-bluetooth

15 whole signatures from random people who found it on google, I guess

Rahul2001

16:54

@allquixotic Google? ew. DDG FTW!

allquixotic

@Rahul2001 Yeah, yeah. Wake me up when it can actually find things I'm looking for.

Great idea in theory, but nobody has the search breadth of Google

Rahul2001

@allquixotic Works for me most of the time

allquixotic

Same reason I never search Yahoo or Bing or Teoma or...

Rahul2001

@allquixotic Also, I'd take less-accurate search results in return for keeping my privacy to myself any day thank you very much

Avery

17:08

@allquixotic depends on what you're looking for

Rahul2001

@Avery hey

Avery

hi

Rahul2001

gossipmonger?

Avery

@Rahul2001 I'm in

allquixotic

@Rahul2001 Ohnoes, Google knows I'm trying to learn Rust and JSP and JMS and JPA! :gasp:

Avery

17:14

you should add desktop notifications to gossipmonger

it's like 10 lines of javascript

Rahul2001

@Avery yep ok

@Avery I tried but failed :/

Will give it another go

Avery

well

send me the source code

Rahul2001

@Avery Will do in the morning when I have a decent internet connection.

Avery

and I'll add it at $60/hr and that's a good rate according to the people on workspace.SE. I'm a pro and I'm only asking for a beginner rate:

(naah it's free matey)

Rahul2001

@Avery lol, i think I just found out what I was doing wrong... so meh :P

I also need to update the backend and message-fetching mechanism

ok goodnight folks

internet is failing badly

Avery

17:28

gnight

Rahul2001

so I guess I'll just get some rest

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